Oh my: Carl Levin to retire next year

posted at 8:01 pm on March 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Thirty-five years is a looooong time, but I bet he would have stuck around if he thought O’s master plan to get the House back in Democratic hands next year had a real shot of working. It’d be worth running again to him if he could spend the next two years pushing the liberal dream agenda through Congress and onto Obama’s desk. As it is, since in reality he’s staring at two more years of gridlock, why bother? Especially considering that he’s chairman of the Armed Services Committee and will face endless headaches related to cutting the Pentagon’s budget. And, er, to dealing with Chuck Hagel.

Second look at a Republican-controlled Senate?

Levin would have been heavily favored to win another term heading into 2014. The six-term senator has not faced a tough contest in almost three decades: He has won with at least 57 percent of the vote since his first re-election in 1984.

It’s unlikely — but not impossible — that the race for Levin’s successor will be competitive. In 2012, President Barack Obama won the Wolverine State by 9 points. In fact, a GOP presidential nominee has not won Michigan since 1988, and the state has only elected one Republican — former Sen. Spencer Abraham in 1994 — to a single term since 1972…

Republicans on the ground stress that in off-year presidential cycles, their candidates do well in statewide campaigns. Democrats admit that the seat is more competitive without Levin, but are bullish – especially if the GOP produces a tea party candidate.

Michigan is reliably blue in presidential elections but not in statewide races. The governor’s seat and both chambers of the legislature are controlled by the GOP. This is, potentially, gettable — which is why, as soon as I heard the news, I had the same thought as DrewM (minus the fatalism at the end):

Yep. Amash, a libertarian in the Ron-n-Rand mold, has said before that he’s “intrigued” at the thought of running for Senate. He certainly wanted to be there yesterday:

A Republican operative who follows Michigan politics told NRO last month that he thought Amash would jump in if Levin retired. From the same article: “Amash’s consideration is alarming to Michigan Republicans, who are hoping to back a more established candidate, especially if Levin retires and the seat opens.” If Karl Rove’s new group really is angling to neutralize tea-party candidates in purplish districts to clear the way for more centrist Republicans, wading in to stop Amash is a natural move. (The “establishment” candidate could be Lt. Gov. Brian Calley, Attorney General Bill Schuette, or House Intel Committee Chair Mike Rogers.) The question is, do Amash’s youth and libertarianism mean he’ll play better or worse with independents and young voters than a typical Republican in a blue state like Michigan? The fact that he joined the abortive House insurrection against Boehner in January will come in handy in running for Senate, as it’ll enhance his tea-party cred in the primary and distance him from the sour GOP brand in the general. To see what he’s up against, though, read this piece from last month in MLive quoting local political analysts various and sundry dumping on his chances. Exit question: Cruz versus Dewhurst II? Your move, Karl.


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We won’t win the seat, but at least we’ll get rid of Amash.

Mark1971 on March 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Charlie Gibson! We found your eye glasses! Carl had ‘em.

KCsecurity1976 on March 7, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Levin: I’ve done all the damage I can do. I can now retire in peace.

/puke

Lance Murdock on March 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Mark1971 on March 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Who is we?

MontanaMmmm on March 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I could live with Amash, though he’s certainly an arrogant S.O.B.

But after the debacle named Pete Hoekstra, there’s nowhere to go but up.

KingGold on March 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Exit question: Cruz versus Dewhurst II? Your move, Karl.

What’s his background? I’m refering to Amash.

Weight of Glory on March 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Mark1971 on March 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Who is we?

MontanaMmmm on March 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I could live with Amash, though he’s certainly an arrogant S.O.B.

But after the debacle named Pete Hoekstra, there’s nowhere to go but up.

KingGold on March 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Nevermind….

MontanaMmmm on March 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Sad, the weathervane hairdo just never caught on…

d1carter on March 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Exit question: Cruz versus Dewhurst II? Your move, Karl.

Only if Cruz was a lunatic and a prick. He’s neither.

BuzzCrutcher on March 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM

We won’t win the seat, but at least we’ll get rid of Amash.

Mark1971 on March 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

+100

BuzzCrutcher on March 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Why wait until next year? He should’ve quit decades ago.

Christien on March 7, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Levin: I’ve done all the damage I can do. I can now retire in peace.

/puke

Lance Murdock on March 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I wonder how much money Levin has acquired during his time in the Senate?

Kjeil on March 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM

MontanaMmmm on March 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM

What? If elected, Amash would be a backbencher.

The Senate is a dysfunctional hellhole while Dingy Harry’s in charge, so either Republicans win the Senate, in which case Amash is a GOP senator who won’t get any floor votes on his worst crackpottery, or the Republicans don’t win the Senate and he’s just another minority senator hurling insults from the peanut gallery like Statler and Waldorf, which is pretty much what he’s doing now in the House.

KingGold on March 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Amash is loved in his district. He has solid tea party support, and because they changed his district, he is more visible in the central southern part of MI as well as western MI. He easily won reelection running against a gazillionaire that aired despicable lies on tv almost non stop for weeks. The dem opponent all but accused Amash of being the so despicable that he would shoot puppies for fun.

Amash was rounding up the votes to depose Boehner as Speaker and Boehner got him removed from prominent committees. Thus Amash now has national tea party cred which could help him with fundraising.

Traditionally, however, the statewide candidates from the SE part of the state win the statewide elections, more than the candidates from the western part of the state.

I can’t think of one Dem who has any statewide recognition and built in support, so this seat could be very competitive.

By the way, the Lt. Governor is not an establishment RINO hack. He was actually picked by our fiscal conservative, socially moderate Gov to be the Lt. Gov on the ticket because the Lt. Gov had more “in” with the conservatives and tea party types. He is a younger politician for the statewide office, but well respected and well liked. However, I don’t think 8 of 10 people in MI could even tell you his name.

I am pretty excited that we have another shot at getting a GOP in the Senate from MI. Our 2 dem Senators are practically lock lipped to Reid’s backside as it stands now.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Oh my: Carl Levin to retire next year

…good!…he’s been a national senator and a DC dupe…instead of our State Senator for the last two decades!
Kept getting elected for “what he used to do!”

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Amash? Eh. Not a fan.

changer1701 on March 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Sunday morning “talking heads” will never be the same.

listens2glenn on March 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Our 2 dem Senators are practically lock lipped to Reid’s backside as it stands now.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

…Debbie only does BJ’s!
…oh wait no!…her husband got arrested for getting a BJ…because Debbie …never mind!

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM

The MonstAmash, it was a graveyard smash …

TXUS on March 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM

changer1701 on March 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

OK we’ll skip past electability, here, just tell me…do you want an R there, or YOUR kinda of “R”, there? If it’s Amash or Manchin, who you gonna pull the lever for?

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM

KingGold, what is up with the Amash hate? Jeepers, Amash has voted conservative down the line. He has NOT voted for the runaway spending, caving on the debt ceiling, etc. What do you want, more RINOS?

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Has anyone ever seen him without those reading glasses?

Has anyone ever seen him use those reading glasses?

listens2glenn on March 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

John McCain REALLY SAD to see his good friend retiring :(

(Barf.)

John McCain ‏@SenJohnMcCain

Sad to hear my dear friend & distinguished colleague Sen. Carl Levin will retire – Michigan & America owe him a deep debt of gratitude

Pork-Chop on March 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Screw this criminal. He’s stolen and dumped trillions of dollars of debt that our kids and grandkids will never pay off.

Of course, he’ll have his “seperate but equal” healthcare, lifetime pension and lifetime security.

May he rot in the Detroit festering hell hole he helped create.

acyl72 on March 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

I’m afraid, at the risk of sounding like Bluegill, that some folks here are going to let Perfect get in the way of Good Enough.

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Dang..
That guy looks like my Constitutional History instructor..

Electrongod on March 7, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Hallelujah!

totherightofthem on March 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Amash needs to be the guy. Christian Orthodox Greek/Palestinian. He’ll carry Dearborn, which could mean the state.

budfox on March 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Amash is a freaking crackpot. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Rove’s group needs to nuke this loon in to orbit. Last thing we need is a younger loonier version of Ron Paul running in a deep blue state. This would be Christine Oddonell X100.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM

McCain is an idiot. Michigan owes Levin nothing.. Levin owes us everything. Hard to believe the people of Arizona reflected that horse’s ass.

totherightofthem on March 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM

And it’s very rare that I find myself on the same side as KingGold and the other RINOs.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM

35 years. 35 YEARS. This fud has been in senatorial office for just short of half his life, and 8 years on the Detroit city council before that.

Are we supposed to be cursed with lifer politicians?

Bishop on March 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

John McCain ‏@SenJohnMcCain

Sad to hear my dear friend & distinguished colleague Sen. Carl Levin will retire – Michigan & America owe him a deep debt of gratitude

If I actually tweeted, the Mav wouldn’t want to see my remarks upon his retirement announcement. Nor would his big-butted daughter.

TXUS on March 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Well it’s called a PRIMARY folkz, may the best person win, BUT if it’s Amash, RINO’s and Raquel, you’d better support him…..

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I’m just glad we are getting rid of another Old Fart!

Too bad we will still be stuck with too many more of them.

And yes, I am a “Old Fart”

Barred on March 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Pork-Chop on March 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

McCain has kind words for Levin and vitriol for Rand Paul.

It’s all you need to know.

Curtiss on March 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

John McCain ‏@SenJohnMcCain

Sad to hear my dear friend & distinguished colleague Sen. Carl Levin will retire – Michigan & America owe him a deep debt of gratitude

How did AZ voters get suckered in to re-electing this clown again? I long for the day that Grahmnesty and Juan McCain get retired for good. Along with the remaining ME twin, Murcowski and the rest of the RINO contingent.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM

I wonder how much money Levin has acquired during his time in the Senate?

Kjeil on March 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Whatever it is, he does not wear it well . I’ve met him twice at the Skyclub @ DTW. He looks like he got his clothes off the rack at Goodwill.

CTSherman on March 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM

How did AZ voters get suckered in to re-electing this clown again? I long for the day that Grahmnesty and Juan McCain get retired for good

.

Because his opponent was an opportunistic crackpot….Gee I guess we should be happy this guy beat JD Hayworth, eh?

So I ask again, Amash or Levin?

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Good. Take McCain and Graham with you and DLTDHYOTWO.

Jackalope on March 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

McCain has kind words for Levin and vitriol for Rand Paul.

It’s all you need to know.

Curtiss on March 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Come on this is the same McCain that was so upset by conservatives blocking his nomination in 2000 that he was going to freaking become a democrat.

Just like McCain in 2008, Romney reserved his deepest vitriol for his primary opponents and not Obama.

It’s how RINO’s roll.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I don’t think Amash could carry Dearbornistan at all. It has become irretrievably blue with the huge Muslim population. Sorry, but I think the scenario posed above wherein Rove sticks his dirty fingers into Michigan politics buggers things up and another democrat takes the seat. Sigh. After the horrible campaign Hoekstra ran I have no faith in the Michigan Republican party.

totherightofthem on March 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Good grief, I was in Amash’s district until they moved my town over to District 2 when they added Calhoun Country to Amash’s district.

What is up with saying he is a loon? So far he has voted NO on this runaway spending train. Voted NO on debt ceiling increases. Wants the constitution followed.

Give me examples of when/how he is a loon?

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

How did AZ voters get suckered in to re-electing this clown again? I long for the day that Grahmnesty and Juan McCain get retired for good. Along with the remaining ME twin, Murcowski and the rest of the RINO contingent.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Last night, the RINO Caucus had its ass handed to them, and it’s about time!!!

TXUS on March 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Libertarian will control a large part of the GOP in the future. The GOP must make it an easy transition when it happen. Karl Rove neo conservatism is dead. His centralized view is dead. It’s all or nothing now on both side.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Reflected =reelected. Damn autocorrect.

totherightofthem on March 7, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Last night, the RINO Caucus had its ass handed to them, and it’s about time!!!

TXUS on March 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

I agree, McCain and Grahamnesty are very butthurt that they were upstaged while they were on the knees servicing preezy last night at dinner.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

McCain has kind words for Levin and vitriol for Rand Paul.

It’s all you need to know.

Curtiss on March 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Yes, we live in BIZARRO WORLD.

Pork-Chop on March 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Still waiting for these driveby critics to give examples of how/why Amash is considered a loon in their eyes.

tap tap tap (fingers on desk)

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:47 PM

I agree, McCain and Grahamnesty are very butthurt that they were upstaged while they were on the knees servicing preezy last night at dinner.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Yep, and which begs the question: Which of them got sloppy seconds?

TXUS on March 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Well it’s called a PRIMARY folkz, may the best person win, BUT if it’s Amash, RINO’s and Raquel, you’d better support him…..

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I don’t live in MI, so I won’t have to “support” him. But hypothetically of course I would support him over the Democrat.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Cruz versus Dewhurst II? Your move, Karl.

Lol! I would gladly trade all of them and more for one more Cruz and one more Paul.

Bmore on March 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Still waiting for these driveby critics to give examples of how/why Amash is considered a loon in their eyes.

tap tap tap (fingers on desk)

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:47 PM

See Paul, Ron…..his “idol”

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

What do you want, more RINOS?

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Yup. Karen meet Kingold… He likes to say “TruCon.”

Fallon on March 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

See Paul, Ron…..his “idol”

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Ron Paul/Amash/Levin…your choice.

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Levin must be sick or something. No way he is just plain retiring. He had plans to be wheeled into the chamber, brain dead, like his good friend John Dingell. Dingell’s 30-years-younger wife, Debbie, has been serving — unelected — in her husband’s seat “Weekend at Dingall’s” style for years.

Rational Thought on March 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Libertarian will control a large part of the GOP in the future. The GOP must make it an easy transition when it happen. Karl Rove neo conservatism is dead. His centralized view is dead. It’s all or nothing now on both side.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

If you mean the GOP will become more dovish, yes. If you mean the GOP will start supporting legalizing drugs and all that other loony stuff libertarians want, FORGET it.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:52 PM

The question is, do Amash’s youth and libertarianism mean he’ll play better or worse with independents and young voters than a typical Republican in a blue state like Michigan?

This is my view. The key to winning purplish states and districts is to pick more libertarian types. That seems to go against current thinking in the GOP which is to pick someone “moderate”. The problem with that is people Rove tends to pick are old retreads and losers. The Tommy Thompson type. Also Akin was not a libertarian type. Rinos try to label him tea party and libertarian but obviously he was not. He was a classic christian conservative. There is nothing wrong with that, but libertarians do not believe in foisting their religious views on others therefore they don’t turn off voters who happen not to be devout Christians.

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Ron Paul/Amash/Levin…your choice.

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Again I said Amash over the Democrat, but with severe reservations. We may be better not adding another crackpot in the mold of Ron Paul to the seat. May just be better getting a Dem. Ron Paul was for all practical purposes a useless zealot.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Change the face, keep the Progressive march going.

Michigan voters don’t have enough sense to elect a true limited Government Conservative…….if there are even any in elected office up there.

….sadly.

PappyD61 on March 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I agree, McCain and Grahamnesty are very butthurt that they were upstaged while they were on the knees servicing preezy last night at dinner.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Both McCain, Graham, and Rove understand what’s coming to the GOP. They’re trying to do their best to stop or at the very least slow it down.

A newer generation of GOP are libertarian or conservative-libertarian. When the change is complete within the GOP, there won’t be any place left for central or neo-conservative ideology. The party will be Conservative, Libertarian, and Conservative-Libertarian.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Last night, the RINO Caucus had its ass handed to them, and it’s about time!!!

TXUS on March 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Until Grahmnesty is defeated, and McCain and the other RINOs as well, they aren’t butthurt over anything.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

She wouldn’t be my #1 choice but I could see Candice Miller as a viable candidate. A woman that has won multiple statewide races and is perceived as a moderate.

Northwoods on March 7, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Both McCain, Graham, and Rove understand what’s coming to the GOP. They’re trying to do their best to stop or at the very least slow it down.

A newer generation of GOP are libertarian or conservative-libertarian. When the change is complete within the GOP, there won’t be any place left for central or neo-conservative ideology. The party will be Conservative, Libertarian, and Conservative-Libertarian.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

If the GOP wants to hold it’s “base” in the South it won’t go full libertarian. Or the GOP will become just as relevant as the Libertarian party is today. Come on give me a break. Yes neo-conservatism is dying, but the GOP isn’t going full Ron Paul, no matter how much you Ron Paul kooks wish it so.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM

If you mean the GOP will become more dovish, yes. If you mean the GOP will start supporting legalizing drugs and all that other loony stuff libertarians want, FORGET it.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:52 PM

It means libertarian ideology will be part of the GOP. Is not if it is when. The current GOP leadership must make peace with the libertarian movement and make an easy transition when they come into power.

I will not be surprise that the next POTUS will be a libertarian that is running on the GOP platform.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I don’t think Amash could carry Dearbornistan at all. It has become irretrievably blue with the huge Muslim population. Sorry, but I think the scenario posed above wherein Rove sticks his dirty fingers into Michigan politics buggers things up and another democrat takes the seat. Sigh. After the horrible campaign Hoekstra ran I have no faith in the Michigan Republican party.

totherightofthem on March 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

What’s crazy is that in 2000 Bush got 88% of the Muslim vote, and in 2004 he got 74%.

Well that was before the Muslims went full democrat.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM

It means libertarian ideology will be part of the GOP. Is not if it is when. The current GOP leadership must make peace with the libertarian movement and make an easy transition when they come into power.

I will not be surprise that the next POTUS will be a libertarian that is running on the GOP platform.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Haha. Rand Paul will never be President, just like his kooky father. Get over it.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Amash is fantastic, not surprised the astroturf trolls are here maligning him

commodore on March 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I will not be surprise that the next POTUS will be a libertarian that is running on the GOP platform.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

You mean like Ron Paul, and his two term Presidency?

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Going to be an interesting 2014,at the rate the Dems are
fleeing the Hopey Ship,er,retiring!!!

canopfor on March 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

If the GOP wants to hold it’s “base” in the South it won’t go full libertarian. Or the GOP will become just as relevant as the Libertarian party is today. Come on give me a break. Yes neo-conservatism is dying, but the GOP isn’t going full Ron Paul, no matter how much you Ron Paul kooks wish it so.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM

The conservative base is moving libertarian. These conservative aren’t full libertarian. These conservatives pick and choose which part of the libertarian ideology they like. They will vote for a libertarian, conservative, or Conservative-libertarian candidate over a moderate or neo-conservative.

There is no place for moderate or neo-conservative within the GOP in the future.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

John McCain REALLY SAD to see his good friend retiring :(

(Barf.)

John McCain ‏@SenJohnMcCain

Sad to hear my dear friend & distinguished colleague Sen. Carl Levin will retire – Michigan & America owe him a deep debt of gratitude

Pork-Chop on March 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

We do owe Levin and the Democrats a deep debt….about $16 trillion worth.

joekenha on March 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM

The conservative base is moving libertarian. These conservative aren’t full libertarian. These conservatives pick and choose which part of the libertarian ideology they like. They will vote for a libertarian, conservative, or Conservative-libertarian candidate over a moderate or neo-conservative.

There is no place for moderate or neo-conservative within the GOP in the future.

jdun on March 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

I’m not voting for any kooky Libertarian in the Ron Paul/Justin Amash mold. Not HAPPENING. Yes sure the GOP could go more dovish on foreign policy, the era of neo-conservatism/nation building is over, but that doesn’t mean we are all going hardcore isolationist/paelo-con.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I’m not voting for any kooky Libertarian in the Ron Paul/Justin Amash mold.

Gonna tell you in a choice between McCain, Amash and Obama, I’m going Amash, then….

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

McCain has kind words for Levin and vitriol for Rand Paul.

It’s all you need to know.

Curtiss on March 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Yep. The Blatherick is a a rat fink.

M240H on March 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Well that was before the Muslims GOP went full democrat Pam Geller.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM

FIFY

cam2 on March 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

McCain is just such a P3nis about it…I mean you can say these things to your colleague, even go to his farewell dinner…but he just has to BLURT this stuff out… because he’s all magnanimous and he’s going to show us, “My friends” just how to behave….

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I’m afraid, at the risk of sounding like Bluegill, that some folks here are going to let Perfect get in the way of Good Enough.

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

.
.
All I’m looking for is “absolute, idealistic perfection.”

listens2glenn on March 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Haha. Rand Paul will never be President, just like his kooky father. Get over it.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Yeah, that’s about as possible as him getting Obama to back down his power in front of everybody.

Oh wait…..

itsspideyman on March 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM

cam2 on March 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Hey.

MontanaMmmm on March 7, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Who will be the GOP nominee in 2016, not a clue..Bush, Paul, Palin, no idea….let’s just not use the term “electable” however as a selection criteria….

Personally I think Paul is a long shot…I would prefer he went “home” to KY and ran for the Governorship in 2015….

Right now Rand Paul makes a mean speech and has some avid/rabid followers, and he has never managed/led/governed ANYTHING…which sounds depressingly familiar, one-term US Senator with no management experience, who could that possibly be?

IF he could win the Governorship, he’d be able to show he can govern and manage…and possibly even get some things done, which is a nice thing to be able to show.

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Yeah, that’s about as possible as him getting Obama to back down his power in front of everybody.

Oh wait…..

itsspideyman on March 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM

If you call that letter that used refined legal terms to say the exact same thing the other one said..you can count that as a victory…Oh wait…

Nothing Paul did, made a lick of difference, the drone policy Obama is using is still the exact same, and Brennan was confirmed…..

Just like his kooky father who gave long winded speeches, that produced…wait for it…NO RESULTS….

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Just like his kooky father who gave long winded speeches, that produced…wait for it…NO RESULTS….

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:20 PM

*WHOA UP THAR* Honey, Ron Paul never got ANY POTUS to pay him any attention, most certainly he never go a POTUS to even rewrite his policy…

So, say what you will, Rand is FAR better than his father.

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM

FIFY

cam2 on March 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

While I agree the GOP’s heated rhetoric towards Muslims, and branding them all as Al Queada operatives didn’t exactly endear Muslims.

Look there is a way to keep Muslims in the tent like they were and still be tough on terror and extremists.

Too bad Jews vote for the GOP at what 20%-22%

While Muslims voted 88%.

shame.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Raquel, you don’t live in MI, you do not have a dog in this fight. You don’t know the electorate here, or what we went through to finally get sanity at the state government level over the past 4 years.

Don’t paint Amash with the Ron Paul taint. Go to Amash’s facebook page and read his explanation for each and every vote he has cast in his time in office in DC. You will understand he is a constitutionalist. Seems to me, we need more of them in DC.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

WHOA UP THAR* Honey, Ron Paul never got ANY POTUS to pay him any attention, most certainly he never go a POTUS to even rewrite his policy…

So, say what you will, Rand is FAR better than his father.

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Give me a break. Nothing Rand did, amounted to anything. Yeah Obama had Holder re-WORD the memo, but he didn’t change Obama’s policy. So it accomplished nothing…..

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM

While I agree the GOP’s heated rhetoric towards Muslims, and branding them all as Al Queada operatives didn’t exactly endear Muslims.

“Heated Rhetoric”…from the GOP…really because all I ever heard was Religion of Peace, not a war on Muslims….do you have a TV/radio that operates on different channels from mine?

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I think Amash is the guy who called McCain a racist, because McCain had made a joke about Ahmadinejad.

That’s what we need, the Republican race police.

Gelsomina on March 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM

About time the senile old fool quit.

GarandFan on March 7, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Raquel, you don’t live in MI, you do not have a dog in this fight. You don’t know the electorate here, or what we went through to finally get sanity at the state government level over the past 4 years.

Don’t paint Amash with the Ron Paul taint. Go to Amash’s facebook page and read his explanation for each and every vote he has cast in his time in office in DC. You will understand he is a constitutionalist. Seems to me, we need more of them in DC.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Bottom line is Amash named Ron Paul as one of his idols right next to Jesus Christ and his mom, and endorsed him for President.

Which is enough to convince me that he is a kook. Now put another way, there is ZERO chance Amash will win a statewide election in a blue state like MI.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Oh my: Pair of reading glasses permanently attached to mass of socialist carbon-based life to retire next year.

I would pay Carl Levin $5 if he would install another pair of glasses directly on top of his current pair.

fiatboomer on March 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Now put another way, there is ZERO chance Amash will win a statewide election in a blue state like MI.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Well we’ll see, won’t we?

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Per this article in the WP, around 70% of Jews and 68% of Muslims supported Obama in 2012. I’m not sure I buy all of the reasons given, but it is interesting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/why-american-jews-and-muslims-backed-obama-by-huge-margins/2012/11/09/70a671c6-2ac0-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_blog.html

cam2 on March 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

MI is NOT a blue state, it is heavily RED in the state legislature and every state wide office is GOP. As I said, you don’t know this electorate.

Amash endorsed Ron Paul because of the SPENDING. That is Amash’s issue, the out of control SPENDING. Let’s face it, the rest of the hapless bunch in the primary were too chicken to address significant reductions in spending.

And by the time the MI primary rolled around, we had to choose between Santorum, Romney or Paul. I voted non of the above, myself. I didn’t like any of our choices in 2012. I only voted for Gingrich because I felt he wouldn’t pull punches in a debate against Obama.

I can’t stand Ron Paul. I used to live in Austin, TX, one district away from Ron Paul. I am very familiar with Ron Paul. Amash is no Ron Paul.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

“Heated Rhetoric”…from the GOP…really because all I ever heard was Religion of Peace, not a war on Muslims….do you have a TV/radio that operates on different channels from mine?

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Yes I have been hearing it from talking heads like Hannity, and others, and from Peter King and his “Muslim extremism in America” congressional query.
You don’t have to drone on and on about it, like some bloggers, talking heads do.

Our coalition is shrinking, the last thing we need is to keep kicking people out of the GOP tent. Especially loyal constituencies.

Asians voted for GHB in 1988 at almost 80%. And for Bush Jr. at 64% how is it even possible that by 2012 they vote for us at 24%???

Muslims for Bush 88% in 2000. By 2012 they were down to 8%.

Pretty soon the GOP will be solely a party of old white men at this pace.

And I believe I’ve shared previously that I was mixed race Trinidadian/Cuban. You have to reach out to other communities and share the conservative message, some communities only have access to mainstream propaganda channels spewing left wings talking points.

To reach them you have to get past the media.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM

“Heated Rhetoric”…from the GOP…really because all I ever heard was Religion of Peace, not a war on Muslims….do you have a TV/radio that operates on different channels from mine?

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Here are a few examples mentioned in the WP article I cited earlier:

…national Republican leaders shamelessly demagogued the bogus “Ground Zero mosque” controversy of 2010 and held congressional hearings in 2011 based on the false claim that 80 percent of American mosques support Islamic radicalism. This year some Republican congressional leaders also claimed the Muslim Brotherhood had infiltrated the U.S. State Department, while Republican-controlled legislatures in states such as Oklahoma and Kansas passed wholly unnecessary and unconstitutional bans on sharia (Islamic) law.

cam2 on March 7, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Well we’ll see, won’t we?

JFKY on March 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Let’s get Christine ODdonell out there in DE too, hear they are having a senate race this year.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Raquel, I think you overlooked something major that happened last night.

Rand Paul opened the eyes of a lot of lefties over this domestic drone kill issue. I believe that standing up to Obama the way he did, planted seeds last night. If you listened to the callers on Rush’s show today, you would know that a lot of lefties are now reaching out to their conservative friends and asking for more information. One guy said all of his friends are lefties and they now agreed to sit down and look at Breitbart’s movie on the Occupy fraud this weekend. Before, they kept telling their conservative friend that he watched too much foxnews. They could not believe that the AG and administration were actually not soundly decrying vaporizing US Citizens on US soil having dinner in a cafe, just because they MIGHT be know some terrorists. The lefties realized that Obama was willing to shred due process and the 5th amendment.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 9:36 PM

MI is NOT a blue state, it is heavily RED in the state legislature and every state wide office is GOP. As I said, you don’t know this electorate.

Amash endorsed Ron Paul because of the SPENDING. That is Amash’s issue, the out of control SPENDING. Let’s face it, the rest of the hapless bunch in the primary were too chicken to address significant reductions in spending.

And by the time the MI primary rolled around, we had to choose between Santorum, Romney or Paul. I voted non of the above, myself. I didn’t like any of our choices in 2012. I only voted for Gingrich because I felt he wouldn’t pull punches in a debate against Obama.

I can’t stand Ron Paul. I used to live in Austin, TX, one district away from Ron Paul. I am very familiar with Ron Paul. Amash is no Ron Paul.

karenhasfreedom on March 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

If MI is not a BLUE state why did it go for Obama by 9.88% in 2012? And how is Amash not a Ron Paulite when he lists Ron Paul right next to Jesus and his mom as his idols, give me a break, lol.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 7, 2013

Screw you, your momma, and your slime-covered GOP. I’ll take *any* Republican, Libertarian, or anyone in between – Ron Paul, Chris Crispy, and Christine O’Crazy including – over a Karl Rove candidate. Heck, I can even come up with some names with a “D” behind them whom I’ll take over Rove’s candidate any day and twice on Sundays.

Archivarix on March 7, 2013 at 9:40 PM

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