North Korea threatens “pre-emptive nuclear strikes” on US, South Korea

posted at 12:41 pm on March 7, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Impending sanctions has the Kim regime sounding more and more belligerent, and has now begun prompting a similar response from the other end of the Korean peninsula.  As the US and China push the UN to tighten the sanctions on Pyonyang, the Foreign Ministry in North Korea threatened to conduct “pre-emptive nuclear strikes” on … well, everyone, apparently:

North Korea is vowing a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the United States. The harsh rhetoric Thursday comes hours ahead of a vote by U.N. diplomats on whether to level new sanctions against Pyongyang for its recent nuclear test.

An unidentified spokesman for Pyongyang’s Foreign Ministry said the North will exercise its right for “pre-emptive nuclear strikes on the headquarters of the aggressors” because Washington is pushing to start a nuclear war against the North.

Needless to say, this may make things a bit awkward with Beijing, almost literally the only significant nation friendly to Pyongyang and their benefactor for more than 60 years.  After all, China not only won’t oppose the new sanctions, they’re helping to sponsor them at the UN after Kim Jong-un’s recent displays of petulance.  Kim Jong-il knew better how to play along with China, but his 28-year-old son (or the military clique running in his name) seem uninterested in China’s plans for containment.  Will the nukes head to China as well as the US?

CBS helpfully informs us that North Korea doesn’t have the capability to hit the US — yet — but its shorter-range missiles can certainly target Beijing, Tokyo, and especially Seoul with little difficulty.  South Korea, for its part, responded almost immediately with a much more forceful reply than they normally give to Kim provocations, signaling that they’re losing patience with the peace process as well:

The South Korean military warned on Wednesday that if it was provoked by North Korea, it would strike the North’s “command leadership,” escalating a war of words and hinting at an attack on a North Korean headquarters. …

South Korea usually does not respond to North Korean tongue-lashings, but it did on Wednesday, dismissing the North’s threat as mere propaganda.

Still, with officials and analysts here worried that North Korea might provoke a deadly skirmish sometime soon, to shake the new government of President Park Geun-hye in the South and to destabilize the region, the South Korean military called a news conference on Wednesday to deliver a categorical public warning.

“If North Korea attempts a provocation that threatens the lives and security of our people, our military will forcefully and decisively strike not only the origin of provocation and its supporting forces but also its command leadership,” said Maj. Gen. Kim Yong-hyun, chief operations officer at the military’s Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “We make it clear that we are all prepared.”

A later correction by the New York Times notes that Seoul’s warning specifically didn’t include Kim Jong-un in that threat, which could mean a couple of things.  First, they might figure that Kim isn’t really running anything, so it’s pointless to threaten him; in that case, why not paint a target on the real threats?  Alternately, if Kim is really running things north of the 38th Parallel, his military command is all that’s protecting him from the millions of North Koreans in his gulag nation and their potentially homicidal rage at their oppression.  Instead of targeting Kim, Seoul could be saying that they’ll ensure that the power structure in Pyongyang will get vaporized, and they’ll leave their cousins across the border to deal with Kim.

None of this, by the way, is good news for the US or for China.  The last thing we need is a reopening of the Korean War and the potential for armed conflict with China.  China may soon decide to take matters into its own hands, and if it does, don’t expect more than a token tongue-clucking from the US.


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North Korea couldn’t deliver fleas to dogs.

wildcat72 on March 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM

From Nuking Politics…

Grayson Proposes Suspending Florida

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Resist We Much on March 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Threaten to cut-off the supply of Cheetos to Kim Phat Butt and this crisis will lessen.

Bishop on March 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

As little as 25 years ago, this would have set the entire world on edge. Just thought I’d say that.

nobar on March 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Try it. You’ll fail, your entire cr@psack ‘nation’ will sprout mushroom clouds, and we can finally ignore that pissant penninsula.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM

I thought Rodman said they only wanted to play some B’ball?

Deano1952 on March 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Madeleine Albright and Bill Richardson have dined out for years on their supposedly brilliant diplomacy regarding North Korea. Someone put a freaking camera in their faces and demand to know what the eff they’ve been doing over there that Dennis “Guess What” Rodman didn’t!

L.N. Smithee on March 7, 2013 at 12:48 PM

As little as 25 years ago, this would have set the entire world on edge. Just thought I’d say that.

nobar on March 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM

True enough, but 25 years ago the Soviet Empire was in full swing and standing ready for a toe-to-toe nuclear exchange literally at any minute.

China, at the bare minimum, wouldn’t want to blow up the nation they already own lock stock and barrel.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Threaten to cut-off the supply of Cheetos to Kim Phat Butt and this crisis will lessen.

Bishop on March 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Make him get the knock offs from China, you know, the ones with lead in them? Deaths go in threes, who will the other two communist dictators or wannabes who are going to die will be?

Kim Jong Un?
Christina DeKirchner?
Fidel or Raul Castro?
Barry Hussein Soetoro?

wildcat72 on March 7, 2013 at 12:49 PM

North Korea couldn’t deliver fleas to dogs.

wildcat72 on March 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Still, I want Rodman checked for ticks as long as I don’t have to watch.

L.N. Smithee on March 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Imagine a president Reagan.

The corpulent swine is very impertinent…because he can. The US has sunk into 3rd world status and power.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

So, if they fire the missile an accidentally hit China, what then?

LoganSix on March 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

China, at the bare minimum, wouldn’t want to blow up the nation they already own lock stock and barrel.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 12:49 PM

The only thing keeping China’s peasants from revolt are the jobs they get from flooding our markets.

If our economy collapses, so does China.

wildcat72 on March 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I can imagine China taking military action into North Korea if they get wind Kimmy is about to carry out his threat. It would do China no good at all to have their buddy effectively wiped out, either by American nuclear retaliation or a massive conventional ground assault bent on conquest.

Liam on March 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Barry can’t do nothin’ ’cause of the seeee-qeuster.

albill on March 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

…Jong-il JugEars!

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

The only thing keeping China’s peasants from revolt are the jobs they get from flooding our markets.

If our economy collapses, so does China.

wildcat72 on March 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM

That too. They make the things we don’t, but without the USA there is no market for their plasticr@p that even comes CLOSE to replacing the demand.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

King Jon Let-Me-Hear-You-Say-Un! threatening us from Byoiyoiyoing…..what else is new…

Seriously, though, this has not gotten any play from anywhere except Yahoo! What’s up with that?

DethMetalCookieMonst on March 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Seriously, though, this has not gotten any play from anywhere except Yahoo! What’s up with that?

DethMetalCookieMonst on March 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Kim Dong-Lez is such a total joke even the libtard media doesn’t take him seriously.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 12:53 PM

From Nuking Politics…

Grayson Proposes Suspending Florida

ha

Resist We Much on March 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Now that was funny. But can’t you just picture grayson actually saying it, I know I can.

D-fusit on March 7, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Isn’t North Korea a model of Obama Utopianism?

Isn’t it precisely the type of system that he embraces?

Isn’t it Marxism, at its finest?

OhEssYouCowboys on March 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Kim Dong-Lez is such a total joke even the libtard media doesn’t take him seriously.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 12:53 PM

While I agree with that, there is a better reason why the LSM won’t take this seriously…

Turning this into a crisis would (gasp) REQUIRE the empty chair to show up to work and (gasp) do some “presidenting”.

wildcat72 on March 7, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I couldn’t imagine this type of threat under any other president than Carter.

D.Mockracy on March 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Isn’t North Korea a model of Obama Utopianism?

Isn’t it precisely the type of system that he embraces?

Isn’t it Marxism, at its finest?

OhEssYouCowboys on March 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM

It’s where they always end up, ultimately, unless the people rebel, put down the Regime and display the communist heads on pikes as an example.

I think the United States has a much needed “correction” long before we resemble the Norks.

wildcat72 on March 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM

North Korea is a joke state and insane. This is what China deserves for allowing them exist in the first place.

If China had any sense they would solve the problem themselves by putting a more reliable (and sane) puppet in power in North Korea. They could at least do that. If they were really smart they would invade NK and give it back to South Korea and thus score a lot of good will with the Koreans and putting us on the defensive politically at the same time. China so far has proven to be rather inept at foreign policy. Maybe they will learn.

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM

The Louse That Gnawed

Shy Guy on March 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM

If they were really smart they would invade NK and give it back to South Korea and thus score a lot of good will with the Koreans and putting us on the defensive politically at the same time. China so far has proven to be rather inept at foreign policy. Maybe they will learn.

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Remember this is the nation that ‘solved’ the very real problem of a population bomb with a one-child law, has pollution issues out the yin-yang, and usually waits for us to invent something so thy can steal it.

Their topheavy state is good enough to fool Western businessmen into moving into a place that until quite recently was hardline Communist, and in keeping the peasants happy without a massive social safety net like the USSR had.

But they’re not so bright on just about everything else.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Turning this into a crisis would (gasp) REQUIRE the empty chair to show up to work and (gasp) do some “presidenting”.

wildcat72 on March 7, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Well we can’t have that…. He’s already busy planning his next vacation.
Military people only get 30 days vacation a year – and that counts weekends if you take more than 5 days off at a time.
How many vacation days has barky used now per year? – what about 200?

dentarthurdent on March 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM

The Louse That Gnawed

Shy Guy on March 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Is that the one where they try to invade California, but take one look at the place before turning around and going home saying “If that’s capitalism, forget it!”

/seriously, long live Grand Fenwick!

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Also in a conventional war, South Korea would obliterate the North Koreans without any help at all. The technological superiority of the South Korean military is light years ahead of the NK military.

The only thing that can change that is Chinese intervention or the war going nuclear. Basically our troops are in South Korea not because of the half baked joke called North Korea, but as a safety net in case China jumps in again or to have skin in the game if nuclear weapons are used thus justifying a nuclear response from the U.S. on NK.

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I think things might be getting pretty shaky in North Korea, and that’s why they’re hysterically rattling sabers. I hope everybody sticks to their guns and keeps the pressure on. I’d love to see Kim Jong-Fatface dangling under a street lamp (do they even have street lamps in North Korea?).

RebeccaH on March 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Gone are the days when you can declare war on the USA in the morning, surrender at noon and receive foreign aid that same day.

meci on March 7, 2013 at 1:11 PM

I, uh, uh, I, uh, … uh, I, uh, will go to, uh, Korea.

- Barack Obamuh

OhEssYouCowboys on March 7, 2013 at 1:11 PM

I personally think we should just nuke the norks – but I don’t think we’ll need to.
It’s very possible China might finally decide to go in somehow and make a change. The fact that China is now co-sponsoring sanctions against them indicates they’ve just about had enough.

dentarthurdent on March 7, 2013 at 1:11 PM

So, if they fire the missile an accidentally hit China, what then?

LoganSix on March 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Problem

DarkCurrent on March 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I don’t think they have enough bomb-capable fissile material to attack everyone. We should deliver some to them, free of charge.

The Rogue Tomato on March 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

OTOH – our people in the missile defense business again thank the norks for their support…..

dentarthurdent on March 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

So, if they fire the missile an accidentally hit China, what then?

LoganSix on March 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Problem

DarkCurrent on March 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

DarkCurrent, I hereby award you one Internet in honor of your winnage. You actually made me start laughing out loud, and that’s going in my Internet archive.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

But they’re not so bright on just about everything else.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Yes the last two years the Chinese have managed to tick off almost everyone in the area. In fact the Chinese are the ones who have saved Obama’s foreign policy so far in Asia by pure stupidity.

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Problem

DarkCurrent on March 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Thet right thar is goodang funny, I don’t care who ya are….

dentarthurdent on March 7, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Problem

DarkCurrent on March 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

You guys better get your problem child under control quick. Nutty kids always shoot their parents first before they go on a rampage.

:)

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 1:17 PM

NASA sincerely regrets its failure to warn North Korea of the 1,000 megaton killer meteor that devastated North Korea this week. Spokesmen for the agency deny any involvement in re-directing the course of the 10,000 ton rock. The President assured the US public that NASA’s increased monitoring of asteroids and comets would be sufficient to protect North America.

philw1776 on March 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

I thought Rodman said they only wanted to play some B’ball?

Deano1952 on March 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Actually, that is what set this all off. Rodman came back and said Kim Jong Un just wanted a phone call from Obama, be our friends, play some basketball. Coming from such an insular dictator, I think he was being sincere (in his own warped view of the world). Obama replied the next day with a hostile response. Obama was saying true things, but it was extremely stupid.

If Obama had called him in private, not necessarily him, but a high level flunky, and not embarrassed him publicly, then he might have made some progress with the little megalomaniac. Of course, that has its risks too, but Obama didn’t have to immediately inflame the situation. Best to have just done nothing; ignored the situation.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Dennis Rodman. Did we check his bags coming back in?

hawkdriver on March 7, 2013 at 1:22 PM

NASA sincerely regrets its failure to warn North Korea of the 1,000 megaton killer meteor that devastated North Korea this week. Spokesmen for the agency deny any involvement in re-directing the course of the 10,000 ton rock. The President assured the US public that NASA’s increased monitoring of asteroids and comets would be sufficient to protect North America.

philw1776 on March 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

One thousand megatons is one billion tons.

*Changes out of Captain Pedantic gear and resumes secret identity.*

Gene Hunt on March 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Just pay them to bomb Beijing. Everybody wins.

Archivarix on March 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM

None of this, by the way, is good news for the US or for China. The last thing we need is a reopening of the Korean War and the potential for armed conflict with China. China may soon decide to take matters into its own hands, and if it does, don’t expect more than a token tongue-clucking from the US.

That’s a really scary thought. US/Sino relations are all hunky-dory as it is, and since they own quite a lot of US debt, would it be in their best interest to get into a war conflict with us? Over North Korea?

IMO, the NorK regime seems to be poking a stick at a grizzly bear cub and it’s mama…simply trying to provoke the South and the US to start something…anything the Kim govt. can use as an excuse to warrant military action that they believe China would back them up.

Either way, the NorKs know full well sanctions only get tighter and tighter, and they’re “stuck” in a rut that has no foreseeable change any time soon. Perhaps there’s some possible internal NorK rumors within the military of deposing Un in a coup…a good war would certainly put a lid on that…no sense getting overthrown when you can go out a god-like hero that fulfilled his family destiny of all-out war with the American imperialists.

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I can imagine China taking military action into North Korea if they get wind Kimmy is about to carry out his threat. It would do China no good at all to have their buddy effectively wiped out, either by American nuclear retaliation or a massive conventional ground assault bent on conquest.

Liam on March 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I actually find that to be a plausible (and bad for us) scenario. China steps in with force and “liberates” the North Korean people, then takes over the country, literally. Now SK has a potentially even worse problem. For the average North Korean citizen this is probably a good thing, for everyone else… not sure.

WitchDoctor on March 7, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I actually find that to be a plausible (and bad for us) scenario. China steps in with force and “liberates” the North Korean people, then takes over the country, literally. Now SK has a potentially even worse problem. For the average North Korean citizen this is probably a good thing, for everyone else… not sure.

WitchDoctor on March 7, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I agree this could happen – but I don’t think it would necessarily be bad for anyone but the norks in power.
Everyone worried about what China would do to Hong Kong, but the changes went the other way. At this point China is almost closer to free market capitalism than we are, so I think S. Korea might welcome a Chinese run N. Korea that could start moving in the right direction.

dentarthurdent on March 7, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Also in a conventional war, South Korea would obliterate the North Koreans without any help at all. The technological superiority of the South Korean military is light years ahead of the NK military.

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Don’t be so sure…the South has over the North in equipment and technology, and US troops behind ‘em…While the South’s troops were being raised on Coca-Cola, video games, McDonald’s and K-Pop, the NorK’s troops were eating grass and tree bark and sleeping with their guns since they were old enough to walk.

When it comes to sheer iron will and preparedness of each nation’s infantry, and the sheer number of soldiers, the NorKs have the advantage.

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Let us posit that Kim Jong Un is full-bore bat-feces crazy. He does not respond to rational discourse being as delusional as Hitler in the bunker, Chavez as his brain shut down, or the Democrats on any given day.

In December, North Korea launched the Kwangmyŏngsŏng-3 satellite using an Unha-3 booster. The latter is apparently a Taepodong-2 ballistic missile with a new, different, and now workable third stage. That stage is [surprise, surprise] identical to the second stage of the Iranian Safir missile. Which explains the clutch of Iranian scientists seen in North Korea. The mass of the satellite is about 100 kilos [220 pounds] which is a hair less than 2/3 of a notational U-235 nuclear warhead. It is noteworthy that the last, successful, North Korean nuclear test apparently was U-235 which is a switch as their previous program has concentrated on plutonium weapons and not U-235. This is no small thing as the purification process is entirely different and cannot be converted, and because Iran is concentrating on U-235 [which is why all those thousands of gaseous diffusion centrifuges, which do not work for plutonium]. Things that make you go Hmm!

In any case, noting that there is room for range/payload growth with the Unha-3, and the possibility that with Iranian help that the Norks could become capable of hitting us with a nuke; it is not too outrageous for us to speculate that:

a) in the near future, the Norks could possibly launch something that credibly could hit us,
b) it could conceivably have a nuclear warhead, but we may not know with certainty during the window of time we have to decide, and
c) the pudgy little Nork just may be crazy enough to do it, for whatever reason.

If such would happen, we have to ponder the reaction of our own [*gag,retch*] National Command Authority. We would know from the trajectory that the payload was not likely a satellite. And know more as it separated from the booster. Unless [and this is not impossible] Buraq has shut down our missile defenses and warning radars as part of the Sequester, we would be tracking and locked on. Shooting down a space probe could be considered an act of war.

Would Buraq order it shot down, or let it go and chance it; there being no way to vote “present”?

Subotai Bahadur on March 7, 2013 at 2:02 PM

It is depressing that the Chinese leadership wasn’t smart enough to see the dangers of nuclear North Korea long before now. How long are China and Russia going to take to see the dangers of a nuclear Iran? I think we should all be able to agree that it is worth risking war to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of insane murderers.

thuja on March 7, 2013 at 2:03 PM

When it comes to sheer iron will and preparedness of each nation’s infantry, and the sheer number of soldiers, the NorKs have the advantage.

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Especially in long-term warfare, since the Norks have learned how to survive without eating.

The Rogue Tomato on March 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Who cares what North Korea’s capabilities currently are or are not. This is a DECLRATION OF WAR by a sovereign nation against the United States. At the present, they may not be able to deliver on their treat but soon they will yet our irresponsible self serving government only send Dennis Rodman to North Korea to negotiate a basketball game? In the 1930′s Our government took the same stance and it cost us a fight for our lives, which some believe is still going on called World War II.

Act NOW or suffer for the rest of our lives. Our current Government is a disgrace to all the brave people that have built it over the last 250 years.

jpcpt03 on March 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM

So, if they fire the missile an accidentally hit China, what then?

LoganSix on March 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

North Korea becomes the world’s largest ashtray?

Bitter Clinger on March 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Watch for the The North Korean Movie “RED DAWN II” paying soon at a theaters across the North West.

jpcpt03 on March 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

When it comes to sheer iron will and preparedness of each nation’s infantry, and the sheer number of soldiers, the NorKs have the advantage. – JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I seem to remember the outcome of the first Gulf War. Our weapon systems today are even more advanced than back then. Mass formations of infantry are sitting ducks, if they don’t have air cover. The same can be said for artillery. If they don’t shoot, scoot and hide real well, they will be destroyed.

SC.Charlie on March 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM

When it comes to sheer iron will and preparedness of each nation’s infantry, and the sheer number of soldiers, the NorKs have the advantage. – JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I seem to remember the outcome of the first Gulf War. Our weapon systems today are even more advanced than back then. Mass formations of infantry are sitting ducks, if they don’t have air cover. The same can be said for artillery. If they don’t shoot, scoot and hide real well, they will be destroyed.

SC.Charlie on March 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM

The N. Koreans have been entrenching artillery in the mountains for decades. Sure, they’d lose eventually, but Seoul would be obliterated. Some victory.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:04 PM

After a few days with Rodman and the watching the Democrat apologists grieving for dead Hugo, young Kimbo probably thinks to himself the majority of Americans are a bunch stupid sh$ts- and will run like little girls.

Thankfully, Slo Joe bitty-brains Biden says the Naked Emperor aint bluffing with Iran or now with the NoKo’s.

We’ll reduce our Nuclear arsenal and show them.

FlaMurph on March 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

It’s very possible China might finally decide to go in somehow and make a change. The fact that China is now co-sponsoring sanctions against them indicates they’ve just about had enough.

dentarthurdent on March 7, 2013 at 1:11 PM

The Chinese are between a rock and a hard place. They already have problems with North Korean refugees slipping across the border into China and causing economic problems. They are working flat out to keep the entirety of N Korea out of China. So they are motivated to keep Kim in power and maintain the status quo.

On the other hand, China’s “Little Brother” has made China lose much, much “face” over the past several years. So China has a lot of motivation to slap Kim and his advisors into the next county.

So the Chinese are doing a tricky balancing act. By not only not contesting the UN sanctions, but actively climbing on the bandwagon, the Chinese are telling their “Little Brother” to get his act together.

And don’t forget: The Chinese are still in the process of shifting the current/past leadership to the current/to-be leadership, so they are pretty busy trying to hold things together in China during this juggling period. The Party has had one serious shake-up already. Having to drop everything to take care of “Little Brother” is not in the Chinese leadership’s best interest, which may be why Kim Jong-Un isn’t “visiting” Beijing to get reamed out in person.

catsandbooks on March 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

The N. Koreans have been entrenching artillery in the mountains for decades. Sure, they’d lose eventually, but Seoul would be obliterated. Some victory.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:04 PM

SK has had how many decades to at least TRY moving their capital city?

At some point we simply cannot protect SK from everything.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Don’t be so sure…the South has over the North in equipment and technology, and US troops behind ‘em…While the South’s troops were being raised on Coca-Cola, video games, McDonald’s and K-Pop, the NorK’s troops were eating grass and tree bark and sleeping with their guns since they were old enough to walk.

When it comes to sheer iron will and preparedness of each nation’s infantry, and the sheer number of soldiers, the NorKs have the advantage.

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Coca-Cola and video games don’t seem to have hampered US troops all that much.

The NorK army may have more people in it but when South Korea outspends them on defense by over 10:1 I know which side I would bet on over the course of the conflict.

alchemist19 on March 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

SK has had how many decades to at least TRY moving their capital city?

At some point we simply cannot protect SK from everything.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Ummm… that’d be sort of like moving London or NYC. Not going to happen. Although I agree, I’m more than a little tired of being the world’s policeman.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Coca-Cola and video games don’t seem to have hampered US troops all that much.

The NorK army may have more people in it but when South Korea outspends them on defense by over 10:1 I know which side I would bet on over the course of the conflict.

alchemist19 on March 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

I’m certainly not insinuating RoK soldiers are fat couch potatoes who suffer from carpal tunnel because of that PS3 controller. There are some pretty badass dudes in their ranks. And look at military spending as a percentage of GDP…the NorK’s win that one hands down…they favor rigid and structured training starting at birth more than electricity, even in much of their showcase capital Pyongyang, where the lights go on and off intermittently.

North Korea exists as nothing more than a war machine…in the perpetual control of one leader through one family.

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM

The most important thing to remember is that North Korea is China’s puppet.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I seem to remember the outcome of the first Gulf War. Our weapon systems today are even more advanced than back then. Mass formations of infantry are sitting ducks, if they don’t have air cover. The same can be said for artillery. If they don’t shoot, scoot and hide real well, they will be destroyed.

SC.Charlie on March 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM

The N. Koreans have been entrenching artillery in the mountains for decades. Sure, they’d lose eventually, but Seoul would be obliterated. Some victory.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Many large tunnels have been found all along the DMZ over the years…with a good possibility of many more existing that are yet to be discovered…wide enough to drive tanks through, not to mention around two million NorK soldiers stationed along the border (compared to 500,000 RoK soldiers), ready for war at any given time. Ground troops and garrisons could effectively be in Seoul within an hour.

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Ummm… that’d be sort of like moving London or NYC. Not going to happen. Although I agree, I’m more than a little tired of being the world’s policeman.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Well obviously this isn’t Command and Conquer and you can’t just selland insta-rebuild. But with God-knows-how-many thousands of artillery pieces pointed right at Seoul, is it not at least worth the effort to try and move the civilian populace further south?

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Back when I was in Jr. High School, we’d draw pictures of WWII tanks and soldiers and WWI style bunkers. But much more elaborate, levels deep, with all sorts of compartments and tunnels and whatnot. If we did that today I’d still be in jail.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Obviously, not an expert on city planning, but I seriously doubt it. Forgetting that it would be horrendously expensive to relocated 1/5 of the population, there are many reasons, including geographical reasons why cities grow up where they do. Central planning is why socialism doesn’t work.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:55 PM

As the US and China push the UN to tighten the sanctions on Pyonyang

Who with a brain and a clue could possibly belie this? China has no desire whatsoever to rein in their pet pit bull.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 3:57 PM

If I were President, I would immediately begin bombing NK.

You DON’T threaten the USA.

Period.

Unfortunately, we have a p***y for a President.

fossten on March 7, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I know it’s a VERY hard proposition, but losing potentially a fifth of your population is an even worse one. And moving civilians out of harm’s way is not socialist central planning, btw.

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 3:59 PM

After all, China not only won’t oppose the new sanctions, they’re helping to sponsor them at the UN after Kim Jong-un’s recent displays of petulance.

This is called the “good cop, bad cop” routine. Wake up!

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 4:00 PM

seem uninterested in China’s plans for containment.

China has no plans for containment. It’s an act and one they have doing to varying degrees for decades. That anyone could still be falling for it is absolutely astounding.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 4:03 PM

CBS helpfully informs us that North Korea doesn’t have the capability to hit the US — yet — but its shorter-range missiles can certainly target Beijing, Tokyo, and especially Seoul with little difficulty.

To think that North Korea would target China takes an IQ less than that of a potted plant.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM

MelonCollie on March 7, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Can you imagine moving the entire population of California (about 12%, not 20% of our population), to the east coast? And we’re the richest country on earth. Think about it.

Oh well, time for me to go anyway.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Back when I was in Jr. High School, we’d draw pictures of WWII tanks and soldiers and WWI style bunkers. But much more elaborate, levels deep, with all sorts of compartments and tunnels and whatnot. If we did that today I’d still be in jail.

Fenris on March 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM

And these days they suspend a kid for bringing in a toaster pastry apparently shaped like a gun.

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Many large tunnels have been found all along the DMZ over the years…with a good possibility of many more existing that are yet to be discovered…wide enough to drive tanks through, not to mention around two million NorK soldiers stationed along the border (compared to 500,000 RoK soldiers), ready for war at any given time. Ground troops and garrisons could effectively be in Seoul within an hour. – JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Don’t wait for a North Korean attack, strike first. I am pretty sure that the United States and North Korea have a detailed inventory of nearly every piece of North Korean artillery and where it is now or could be located. North Korean tanks are outdated Soviet tanks. Do I want a war? No, I am war weary.

SC.Charlie on March 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Looks like Kim has been monitoring the nonsense Comrade O’s admin has been routinely dispensing to the US electorate and decided to join in the fun. It seems to work for our Dear Leader. Why not for another one?

farsighted on March 7, 2013 at 5:01 PM

If we had a president will some balls, he’d order a strike on the NK’s nuclear and rocket centers. Kim will be too busy cleaning his trousers to respond.

GarandFan on March 7, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Don’t wait for a North Korean attack, strike first.

SC.Charlie on March 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

That’s exactly what they want. That way they can claim to the UN that the imperialist aggressors started it. To some extent, the previous Kim sent out little nudges…a “wayward” missile falling on that Island off the South Korean coast, missile tests, going in and out of talks, etc. His son seems to be pushing a bit harder lately…and who knows what’s going on with any power struggle within the regime…the present Kim has some enemies within the regime, so if he felt he was in danger, I have no doubt he’d provoke all-out war. If he goes down, he’ll try to take the whole nation with him.

JetBoy on March 7, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Keep this quite please, just between you and me. No one else is to know. Here is the “PLAN”.
1. Contact and coordinate with the NK People’s Liberation Front. Establish and keep open fuel, food and communication devices. (9 out of 10 small radios and 1 out of 10 smart phones ) support directly to rural NK. Establish and keep open evacuation routes for the rural population of NK.
2. –>NOTE: We have provided aid in the past BUT in Bulk to be distributed by the NK Government. All this did is support the NK Government as the giver of lifeNOTE: maintaing the village economic and social structureNOTE: Actually we are still at war with NK so this is not really necessaryNOTE: For humanitarian reasons we will give 60 days notice for the population to evacuate.NOTE: Once started do not back off. Go through with it. You will only have to do this once<–

jpcpt03 on March 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM