Lindsey Graham to GOP senators: Funny how you guys didn’t worry about drones under Bush

posted at 4:01 pm on March 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, here’s why I said in the McCain post that I didn’t share Mollie Hemingway’s receding cynicism. I trust that Paul would have the same objections to drone policy under a Republican president. I trust that Mike Lee would too. Beyond that, things get iffy. Glenn Greenwald has a point here:

Graham’s the right guy to challenge Paul because he is, in his own way, as nonpartisan on executive counterterrorism power as Paul is. If I understand him correctly, he ends up arguing at the end here that “enemy combatant” status is itself sufficient to justify a drone strike on a U.S. citizen on American soil whether or not he’s carrying out an attack at the time. This is the same guy who once lamented that we couldn’t rein in Koran-burning on grounds that, and I quote, “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” This is not a guy who worries overly much about constitutional niceties when it comes to the military doing its job on counterterrorism. It’d be nice, at least, though, if he managed not to distort Paul’s point in the process. Paul’s not worried about Obama targeting noncombatants; what he’s saying is that there should be special protocols when dealing with “enemy combatants” if they’re American citizens and within reach of law enforcement here in the U.S. His point about Jane Fonda being theoretically targeted is that the definition of “enemy combatant” can be murky and potentially easily abused; to this day, the hard evidence that Awlaki was more than a propagandist and actually an operational leader is classified. Paul’s trying to draw at least one bright-line rule to limit the president’s power to unilaterally execute American citizens: In very narrow circumstances — U.S. citizen on U.S. soil who’s not presently engaged in an attack — you’ve got to send in the FBI to try to pick him up, not a Predator armed with Hellfires to take him down. Compared to the amount of anti-drone agitation in wider libertarian circles, Paul’s request here is actually conspicuously modest. He’s not asking for drone attacks in Pakistan and Yemen to end. He’s not even asking, as Graham is quick to note, that Obama quit firing at American-citizen jihadis overseas. He wants some acknowledged limit on executive power and he chose the strongest conceptual ground on which to ask for it.

But look. Graham’s not really worried about Paul’s drone position here. What he’s worried about is a sea change inside the GOP caucus towards the isolationist view of the war on terror. I can imagine the look on his face when he saw Marco Rubio, the great interventionist hope, head to the floor yesterday afternoon to lend Paul a hand. (Rubio’s not going to make it easy for Paul to paint him as the GOP’s next crazed superhawk in 2016.) After 11 years of war it’s doubtless true that isolationism has more fans among Republicans than at any time in the last few decades; to see a member of the Paul family suddenly the party’s new hero must be a nightmare for McCain and Graham. As Ace puts it:

Now it’s possible they’re suspicious of Rand Paul and think he’s carrying water for his father’s Doctrinaire Pacifism but under the false flag of a much more narrow issue on which he has the right; that is, they think he’s trying to move opinion to the Doctrine Pacifist camp in the typical way the Pacifists and anti-American agitators do it, to wit, seizing one one particular grabby issue at a time.

I have to confess I have the same suspicion. I do believe Rand Paul is his father’s son.

So do I, and so I think do lots of mainstream conservatives, which is why Graham’s worries are overblown. The cynicism-inducing question from last night’s Senate insurrection is how many of them mean it and how many of them pitched in simply because it was an irresistible chance to publicly humiliate Obama on a basic constitutional question. The retail politics of it were so winning that I actually thought McCain and Graham might themselves swing by to offer some sort of tepid endorsement of minimal executive accountability. Didn’t happen, but I also don’t think Paul’s stand presages any tidal shift in the Republican caucus. Anyone believe, if O orders a raid on Iran’s reactors tomorrow, the GOP as a body will react with paleocon laments about imperialism and U.S. aggression? Graham’s not really talking to Paul and Mike Lee here (note his persistent backhanded compliments of Paul at the beginning for being a principled libertarian), he’s simply warning the rest that he knows grandstanding when he sees it and is prepared to call them on it if they keep it up.


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McCain and Graham make a lot of noise opposing things but they roll over every time and kiss the President`s ass. McCain was like that when he was running for President and he took the so called political high road, but the magot Democrats ran him over on that road and they deserve credit for their tactics. Romney did the same thing

HAGGS99 on March 7, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Think of all those he saved…right?

verbaluce on March 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Since I’ll take this comment as sarcasm,

What was saved jackass was the preservation of the Constitution—you do remember that little document don’t you?

Rovin on March 7, 2013 at 6:18 PM

gop finally dead.

Ruling class big government loving so called leaders like Boehner, McConnell, Jeb Bush, Ayotte, Coburn, Ryan, Cantor, McCain, and his Carolina poodle Graham better get out of the way.

The limited government, individual freedom and liberty loving Conservatives have found their voices.

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM from the ruling class!!

PappyD61 on March 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM

These clowns keep us on perpetual defense while we lose ground from the back stab wounds… F em all.

Chubbs65 on March 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Who says we didn’t? All of the things Bush did, in our thoughts,we cringed because in the wrong hands all the things he did would be for bad instead of the good they were intended for. I refer to the Patriot act for example. Great ideas, but it the wrong hands, BAD ideas; Drones the same way.

Bush tried to appease. He tried to be a peacemaker between the sides. He was the right person to be sitting there on 9/11.

OB however, and his croanies, with killer drones? They want this country to be like Isreal where countries just lob stuff in at random. Or some third world country.

johnnyU on March 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM

How does greenwald have a point when his straw man comparison does not match…

Chubbs65 on March 7, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Honor, integrity, and humility are three traits Bush has that Obama does not. Besides that drone technology was in its infancy during Bushes second term.

meci on March 7, 2013 at 6:40 PM

I really don’t give a rosey red rat’s patooot what Mssr.s McCain & Graham think. I have one position on the issue of drones inside the US. I want NO president…not Obama, Bush or George Washington to have the legal right to violate my due process rights or those rights of any American. I would say the same thing under Bush or even under Regan. Generations of Americans fought, bled and died to protect those rights inshrined in our Constitution and Declaration Of Indepedence. If you want to call Rand Paul fillibustering grandstanding or a political ploy so be it…I am tired of those elected to represent the people not respresenting us. I salute Senator Paul and the others for standing up and asking the questions that needed to be asked

JKotthoff on March 7, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Interesting ironic object lesson in all this. For months who were the ones lecturing us about the need for party unity in order to win? RINOs. Now who are the first ones out of the gate to attack and undermine party unity in the aftermath of the most effective and popular attack on Obama we’ve yet seen? The RINOs.

rrpjr on March 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Even that worthless tool Ann Coulter wrote, in her latest column, that republicans should stop arguing about drones because most Americans don’t understand the issue. In her opinion, in order for Repubs to get elected, they need to get on board with pop culture issues that the low info voters think is like, totally cool. Then repubs will be the cool kids in Washington, making up laws. Because, that is the point of Washington, to churn out laws and regulations, right?

tdarrington on March 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

And to think, in my early days of political “give a damn” I liked Ann. I guess I’m growing..

vamp57mw on March 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM

read these comments and weep for conservatism. It is dying.

The Notorious G.O.P on March 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM

I truly hope this is sarcasm, because I think last night was the epitome of what is right with conservatism. Today not so much, but Graham and McCain aren’t representative of Conservatism only establishment. It is the death of the GOP powerbrokers that we are seeing..

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Mr. Bush, nor anyone in his Administration, claimed to have a right to launch drone attacks on American citizens within our borders in spite of the fact that our courts are still in operation.

Now, as drones become smaller and less lethal to those around the target, I could see that changing — when a drone carries the equivalent of a small calibre gun, I can see the police or the FBI using one to suppress a domestic criminal (into which I subclass a terrorist operating in our country). But in the end, there will be a human law enforcement person deciding whether and where to put a bullet.

unclesmrgol on March 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

If an American citizen,on American soil was attempting mass murder of American citizens via a terrorist attack I couldn’t care less if he is a citizen or not-I just want him dead.That said Graham and McCain never saw an international conflict that they didn’t want to drag our troops into,no matter if our vital national interests are involved,no matter the length of stay regardless of whether victory is attainable and regardless of the cost in blood and treasure. I do not trust libertarians, they perch dangerously on the line between freedom and anarchy,and seem way to eager to please the Islamo-fascists intent on our destruction.I am a realist who would prefer an isolationist policy provided we are willing to launch a swift,brief annihilation of any interests that seek our demise.I will never vote for Rand Paul,and I will vote to oust Lindsey Grahamnesty in the next primary here in South Carolina.If Graham wins the primary, I will stay home for the general.

redware on March 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

I can imagine the look on his face when he saw Marco Rubio, the great interventionist hope, head to the floor yesterday afternoon to lend Paul a hand. (Rubio’s not going to make it easy for Paul to paint him as the GOP’s next crazed superhawk in 2016.)

Marco went not so much because of Rand, but also because of Cruz.

AP, I don’t know how closely you follow this aspect, but Rand has insinuated a few times that it was he and “one or two others” that came up with this. That’s Cruz, Lee, and probably McConnell.

Rand and Cruz have a deal, no doubt. Cruz is going to try and supplant Marco as the latino face of the GOP. If he gets traction, Rand wins the nomination by splitting latino votes away. Rubio is keenly aware of what’s up.

budfox on March 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

The last name there is the biggest, of course. I guess Rubio thought that, having spoken on the floor twice yesterday in Paul’s defense, he had enough political cover to throw hawks a bone by voting for Brennan.

Rubio’s support was wishy washy and indecisive. He spent alot of time tweeting before he decided to support. Cruz and Lee were already out there behind Paul when Rubio jumped into the fray.

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Marco went not so much because of Rand, but also because of Cruz.

AP, I don’t know how closely you follow this aspect, but Rand has insinuated a few times that it was he and “one or two others” that came up with this. That’s Cruz, Lee, and probably McConnell.

Rand and Cruz have a deal, no doubt. Cruz is going to try and supplant Marco as the latino face of the GOP. If he gets traction, Rand wins the nomination by splitting latino votes away. Rubio is keenly aware of what’s up.

budfox on March 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Yeppers, and I think Cruz’s star burns so much brighter than Rubio.. He impresses me so much more than Rubio..

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM

As I said last in the Randpage thread last night, we’re seeing the clear split in the GOP, the DefenseJunkies/W/Neocon/Kristol wing and the Rand/Will/Right Libertarians.

All the proof you need was in three sources – WSJ Editorial, Limbaugh, and Hannity.

WSJ Editorial is Murdoch by proxy. He beleives in defecit spending for the military, consequences be damned.

Hannity is Ailes puppet. Sean did everything he could to downplay the filibuster last night, while actually trying to talk up Jeb Bush.

Limbaugh talked to Rand, confronted on some of the industrial-military “concerns”, but then tried to triangulate Rand’s success with a WaPo poll that said people want 5% across-the-board cuts – but to the military.

The Defense Spenders are scared. They are going to try and box Rand in now, because destroying him kills the party.

We are going to have to napalm any sacred cow – Rush, FNC, WSJ, – who comes after or tries to undermine Paul.

In the end, if it comes down to Paul vs Hillary – they will back Hillary because she’s in fat-neck deep with foreign venture spending.

budfox on March 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM

That should say 5% across-the-board cuts – but not to the military.

budfox on March 7, 2013 at 7:27 PM

John walker Lindh proves bush treated American enemy combatants differently.

Chubbs65 on March 7, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Primary Graham and McCain until they are gone.

WORTHLESS

WisCon on March 7, 2013 at 7:30 PM

So, in simple terms: Can GOP in SC exclude the idiot from a GOP primary?

Why not tell him to run on a liberal ticket since he is in no way and shape acts like a Republican.

riddick on March 7, 2013 at 7:38 PM

South Carolina, we’re pleading with you to get rid of this clown. His time is done.

DanMan on March 7, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Pretty interesting that the first politicians to hammer away at Rand Paul and the people who supported him.. and all the people who were inspired by him… the first politicians are leaders from our own party. Not Democrats. What does this tell us?

The Democrats did not even seem to know how to respond. Even Dick Durbin, although he tried to shut it down too… treated Rand with a degree of respect.

But not our RINO’s

So who are the real obstacles to our liberty? Democrats or Republican leadership? Who is really doing Obama’s dirty work? Democrats or Republican leadership?

It is condescending of Gomar Pyle to stand there and publicly criticize such a great effort by a fellow Senator. It inspired so many people and and for one bright moment unity a lot of Americans in support of what? The constitution! But that was too freaking much for these RINOs!

JellyToast on March 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM

South Carolina: primary Graham… its time for him to GO AWAY…

Khun Joe on March 7, 2013 at 7:57 PM

And now, when the Foreign Policy Establishment vs. Randist/Taftian split in the Party is now apparent and widening, you will find out why Palin is important.

Someone needs to bridge the gap as Nixon did. Palin can do this.

victor82 on March 7, 2013 at 7:58 PM

budfox on March 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

That’s some pretty interesting analysis actually.

WhatSlushfund on March 7, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Lindsey Graham to GOP senators: Funny how you guys didn’t worry about drones under Bush

screw you linsey. I was against much of the patriot act and much of the other crap like dhs, tsa etc precisely for the same reason I was against the bailout. You don’t break free market principles to save capitalism any more then you break the constitution, especially the God -given rights in order to preserve security. Furthermore you have to thing long term about establishing new precedents starting with the question; while x sounds like a good idea, can it be abused by the other side or worse by unscrupulous politicians and nameless bureaucrats. If the answer is yes, then the decision on x is no! The prime directive is to preserve liberty not promote general welfare or ensure security. Without liberty we can’t have security nor general welfare because those two flow from liberty.

A hearty bravo to Rand, Cruz and Lee. McVain and his band of bendovers are fit for nothing more than to hold the p!ss bucket when the aforementioned speak.

AH_C on March 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

The 535 we put in office to represent us appoint thousands of staff to do the work they themselves take credit. Google it, I did. This will give you a huge clue why our Congress is in the shape it’s in.

mixplix on March 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I really hope that DeMint is working on getting rid of this idiot, he’s been strangely quiet for some time now.

riddick on March 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM

I guess it’s not grandstanding when he does it.

Lindsey Graham threatens to hold up confirmations of John Brennan, Chuck Hagel
“Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday threatened to block the confirmations of President Obama’s nominees for secretary of defense and head of the Central Intelligence Agency if the administration does not provide more information …” Feb 10, 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/10/lindsey-graham-threatens-to-hold-up-confirmations-of-john-brennan-chuck-hagel/

Graham threatens filibuster over $40K Charleston port study
“Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is threatening to hold up President Barack Obama’s nominees unless the federal government moves forward with a $40,000 study over deepening the Port of Charleston.” Aug. 13, 2011
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0411/Graham_threatens_filibuster_over_40K_Charleston_port_study.html

Graham: I’ll Filibuster My Own Climate Bill Unless Reid Drops Immigration Altogether 2010
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/4/8/graham_ill_filibuster_my_own_climate_bill_unless_reid_drops_immigration_altogether/

JellyToast on March 7, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Just added. Lindsey Graham after consuming a full load of that which flows from 0′s ass.

Bmore on March 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

…Lick me Lindsey!

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

“he knows grandstanding when he sees it” – Lindsey Graham??? Nooooo…. I can’t believe that. What would Lindsey Graham know about grandstanding??? You hardly ever see him in front of a camera ….

Oh wait ….

IcePilot on March 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Bmore on March 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Excellent.

rrpjr on March 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Graham and McCain can either get on board, get out of the way or get run over. I care not a whit what either of those preening go-along-to-get-along camera hogs choose. Both might realize that we are in a war, if either would wake up long enough to notice.

IcePilot on March 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Graham and McCain should rot in hell – and get on their knees and thank God that *He* is their judge, and not the rest of us.

I really can’t express my disgust with these cretins in severe enough terms. As loathsome as far leftists are, so much more so are these lickspittle GOP’ers who spared no energy being a thorn in the side of Republicans, and being a balm to liberals.

Midas on March 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Ace 2016

Bishop on March 7, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I really don’t give a rosey red rat’s patooot what Mssr.s McCain & Graham think. I have one position on the issue of drones inside the US. I want NO president…not Obama, Bush or George Washington to have the legal right to violate my due process rights or those rights of any American. I would say the same thing under Bush or even under Regan. Generations of Americans fought, bled and died to protect those rights inshrined in our Constitution and Declaration Of Indepedence. If you want to call Rand Paul fillibustering grandstanding or a political ploy so be it…I am tired of those elected to represent the people not respresenting us. I salute Senator Paul and the others for standing up and asking the questions that needed to be asked

JKotthoff on March 7, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I agree with everything you wrote. The “war boys” of McCain and Graham think freedom of speech is a “nice idea”. No. It’s an unalienable right, just as the right to bear arms is. They’re tyrants who use the excuse of perpetual war to violate our constitutionally protected liberties at will. They will one-day represent the old GOP and could even leave for a new party. They don’t fit in with a party demanding constitutional adherence.

fatlibertarianinokc on March 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

McCain and Graham were just upset because Rand was going after drones, and they thought he meant them.

claudius on March 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Had Willard won the election then it would be guys like McCain and Graham that would have held all the power. They’d have strangled every single Rand Paul in Congress.

Then would have “modified” ObamaCare and morphed it into the very same abomination it already is … and they would have put the Republican stamp on it.

And all of you would have been forced to watch it.

At least now – guys like Graham and McCain are going to get their comeuppance – because there’s no Willard McDole in the White House to protect their asses.

HondaV65 on March 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

…Lick me Lindsey!

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

I have met the good Senator at a social event and let me warn you – Be very careful what you wish for.

famous amos on March 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Where is that list of republican Princesses that met Obama last night for a dinner date?

See when you slutty Senators go whoring with some other dude we (the base) don’t like it and we call you out on it.

….and that includes the Attention whores McCain and the South Carolina Crier Lindley.

PappyD61 on March 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

What he’s worried about is a sea change inside the GOP caucus towards the isolationist view of the war on terror. I can imagine the look on his face when he saw Marco Rubio, the great interventionist hope, head to the floor yesterday afternoon to lend Paul a hand. (Rubio’s not going to make it easy for Paul to paint him as the GOP’s next crazed superhawk in 2016.)

The republicans could use a bit of a shift. The fact is, while there’s a lot of merit to the neoconservative position – we are in the middle of a global struggle against a rather vicious group of fanatics, after all – the government as a whole, and the executive branch in particular, is badly in need of some boundaries.

Also, if the political right is going to survive, it’s going to need to find common ground between the less extreme libertarians and the less extreme hawks. Some kind of consensus needs to emerge that

1. prevents us from becoming an Orwellian police state
2. prevents us from getting blown up by a bunch of psychopaths

There are lots of reasonable people worried about #1, and plenty more worried about #2. And I think they’re both right to be worried; it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the government found a way to screw up both simultaneously.

I think Rand Paul and Rubio both understand that, at least to a degree – certainly Paul does, listening to his speech. While they’re obviously acting in their own political interest as well, in this case I think they’re pulling us in the right direction. There’s so much common ground here that it would be excessively stupid to cast this as some kind of Manichaean struggle between antisemitic wimps and power-hungry crypto-fascists.

RINO in Name Only on March 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Glenn Greenwald has a point here:

Not really. What were conservatives supposed to do, vote for Kerry and root for the Dem takeover of Congress? A lot of conservatives supported Bush because the alternatives were worse.

ddrintn on March 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Question for Sen “G”. Did Prez Bush ever deliberately use a drone to turn any American into a pile of goo? Don’t know about you but if I have a choice between a pile of goo or a pint or two of water loaded into my sinus cavities, the water sounds OK to me.

I’m thinking that Sen Graham just wants someone, somebody, anybody to please please please like him. Sorry squirt, ain’t happening here.

WestTexasBirdDog on March 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

So killing is better than detaining? I’m ok with both. You give up your right to habeas corpus and due process once you work with our enemies.

thebrokenrattle on March 7, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Is that so? In that case, I look forward to the day when pro-life groups are classified as enemies of the state.

Armin Tamzarian on March 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

They just about already are.

ddrintn on March 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Blow it out your ass, Gramnesty.

Shaughnessy on March 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Rand and the new GOPers never had to vote for the wars, and they’re smart to distance themselves from them.

RedRedRice on March 7, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Lindsey Graham to GOP senators: Funny how you guys didn’t worry about drones under Bush

Notice there, carefully, how slyly Graham (and McCain with other comments) have picked up the Left’s effort to CHANGE THE SUBJECT and is now arguing it.

He’s making his criticism of the Right, Rand, etc. on the FANTASY that the filibuster by Rand was about foreign policy, the use of drones for warfare on foreign soil against enemies.

WHICH ISN’T WHAT THE FILIBUSTER WAS ABOUT, it was about Obama’s incompetent, despicable refusal to deny that he use drones against American citizens on US soil.

The Left needs the argument, instead, as Graham (and McCain) have desperately ensued with it, too, to be about foreign-policy-warfare-use-of-drones and they’re intentionally trying to override the worst of what Obama is attempting and that is the use of drones on US citizens on US soil.

I can’t stand these politico’s (Graham’s, McCain’s) sneaky suggestions that complaints and concerns by the Right are somehow equivalent or indicative of “denying we’re at war” and being soft or cowardly on foreign policy, on defense.

But they’re doing this slippery-slope change of subject sleight-of-hand intentionally and it disgusts me about them both.

Same thing McCain tried in his weasely campaign for the Presidency and same thing he and Graham are trying with their weasel-works about amnesty for illegal aliens: making Americans who support defense and national security and our Constitution out to be the bad guys.

Lourdes on March 7, 2013 at 9:43 PM

…Same thing McCain tried in his weasely campaign for the Presidency and same thing he and Graham are trying with their weasel-works about amnesty for illegal aliens: making Americans who support defense and national security and our Constitution out to be the bad guys.

Lourdes on March 7, 2013 at 9:43 PM

..which is exactly what the Left does.

Lourdes on March 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM

…Lick me Lindsey!

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Lindsey lohan?

SparkPlug on March 7, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Lindsey Graham to GOP senators: Funny how you guys didn’t worry about drones under Bush

Funny, I don’t remember that GWB had a kill list or asserted the idea that it was okay to kill Americans on American soil without benefit of due process. Graham, you’re an ass clown who makes a joke of your constituents….. and you’re from South Carolina where your ex-Governor left his job and the country for noogie! How pathetic does that make you?

Happy Nomad on March 7, 2013 at 9:45 PM

But I still don’t trust Rubio. I think he’s jumped on the Rand-Cruz bandwagon because he sees it as popular and surging and his association with mentor Jeb Bush to be failing.

I think Rubio is still untested, untried and as yet, not really trustworthy from a politically Right perspective.

Cruz, Rand Paul, they’re clearly carrying the fire.

Lourdes on March 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM

We tried to warn you RINO lovers that loving Rinos would ruin the party.

But you hated the Tea Party and loved Rinos anyway. Look what that has cost us you idiots.

SparkPlug on March 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Graham’s not really worried about Paul’s drone position here. What he’s worried about is a sea change inside the GOP caucus towards the isolationist view of the war on terror.

NOTE THE TRICKY, SNEAKY WORDS:

“isolationist” as also “protectionist” are the key words used by the amnesty-ites to ridicule or refer negatively, to their way of thinking, about those who aren’t supportive of amnesty.

They use words like that to ridicule border security, refusal to amnesty illegal aliens, support for increased enforcement of our immigration laws…

Watch for those words and who uses them in what context.

Lourdes on March 7, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Interesting ironic object lesson in all this. For months who were the ones lecturing us about the need for party unity in order to win? RINOs. Now who are the first ones out of the gate to attack and undermine party unity in the aftermath of the most effective and popular attack on Obama we’ve yet seen? The RINOs.

rrpjr

And who is it who says we all need to rally behind the nominee when the RINO wins the primary … but refuses to do it when the RINO loses the primary?

All together now … “The RINOs”

BD57 on March 7, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Graham’s right. How come Senators Paul, Cruz, and Rubio weren’t filibustering on the floor of the Senate when Bush was president back in….oh, wait…never mind.

Bruce MacMahon on March 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM

HondaV65 on March 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

What a load of steaming crud, Obama Voter.

No one was under any illusion of what Romney was.

You enjoying SOS Kerry and now CIA director Brennan? How about the other idiotic people that have been appointed or given positions?

You know, the ones we would not be stuck with had Romney won.

Won’t even talk about budgets, gun grabbing, ME, etc, etc, etc, that we’ll have to fend off for the next three and a half years.

How about the kabuki of having children as props for other dead children. Entertainment! Dignity!

Would it have been perfect? Heck no. Would it have been even a little better? Heck yes.

Enjoy your background check, you moron. It’s coming.

Idiot.

kim roy on March 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Yeppers, and I think Cruz’s star burns so much brighter than Rubio.. He impresses me so much more than Rubio..

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM

I agree. After all Rubio is Jebbie’s protege. Cruz is the real deal and he is who they are really fearful of; similar to their fear of Sarah Palin.

bluefox on March 7, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Unless I missed his name, it looks like everyone who stood with Paul voted no except Rubio..

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Rubio busy playing both sides.

INC on March 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Rubio busy listening to Jay-Z with expectation of “being popular.”

Lourdes on March 7, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Graham’s right. How come Senators Paul, Cruz, and Rubio weren’t filibustering on the floor of the Senate when Bush was president back in….oh, wait…never mind.

Bruce MacMahon on March 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM

The interesting thing is if Paul and Cruz were around (not sure about Rubio) and Bush tried to slide something like this through, I’d bet money that the first two would do exactly the same thing.

That’s what scares the RINOs – a couple of true believers.

kim roy on March 7, 2013 at 10:11 PM

…LayDown Lindsey…!
…Mumbles McCain…!

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Interesting ironic object lesson in all this. For months who were the ones lecturing us about the need for party unity in order to win? RINOs. Now who are the first ones out of the gate to attack and undermine party unity in the aftermath of the most effective and popular attack on Obama we’ve yet seen? The RINOs.

rrpjr on March 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Excellent point.

fight like a girl on March 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM

The Palmetto Princess speaks! Full of sound and fury! Signifying nothing. Sit down Lindsey sweetie, real conservatives are talking the talk.

oryguncon on March 7, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Graham and McCain need to stay away from those presidential dinners, they are drinking to much of the Obama Kool-Ade. Next thing, they’ll be handing out White House press releases.

savage24 on March 7, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Problem is both Lindsey Graham and John McCain forgot that without rules, there is no society to defend…..they ignored the Constitution at their own peril, and the bill for their ignorance is due.
It would seem there are no rules.
We, the Oathkeepers, are now operating on the “no Rules” basis.
It’s the only way to rid the Republic of the Marxist scourge.
We will try to take the treasonist bastards into custody, to be tried by a Constitutional Court.
The current SCOTUS is a political court, stuffed with people who cannot read the simple words of the Constitution.
We’re coming…
Big Sis’s tanks and drones cannot protect the regime.
Our job is to kill the virus….be the antidote to a terrible infection that we have allowed to fester for a century.
We’re coming…
III/0317

dirtengineer on March 7, 2013 at 10:16 PM

and I will vote to oust Lindsey Grahamnesty in the next primary here in South Carolina.If Graham wins the primary, I will stay home for the general.

redware on March 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

If you know of a Conservative that will run against Graham, send that info to:

http://www.senateconservatives.com/

Also if you aren’t registered with them to receive their updates, I would encourage you to do so. Since DeMint is at Heritage now, his site has expanded into covering those Senators that need removed.

bluefox on March 7, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Lindsey Graham to GOP senators: Funny how you guys didn’t worry about drones under Bush

True, but I don’t remember President Bush saying he wanted to use the damn things within the United States.

In fact, if Bush were the Evil Tyrant that the Left kept saying he was, Ayers, Dohrn, Obama, Sheehan, Pelosi, Reid, Moulitsas, and many other Commies would have been liquidated or in prison.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 7, 2013 at 10:26 PM

It’s time for La Lindsey to go.

NealK on March 7, 2013 at 10:35 PM

But Grammy got to the bottom of Benghazi, dint he?

texacalirose on March 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM

But I still don’t trust Rubio. I think he’s jumped on the Rand-Cruz bandwagon because he sees it as popular and surging and his association with mentor Jeb Bush to be failing.

I think Rubio is still untested, untried and as yet, not really trustworthy from a politically Right perspective.

Cruz, Rand Paul, they’re clearly carrying the fire.

Lourdes on March 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM

The ONLY reason Rubio jumped in last night was because his campaign manager told him to. With 2016 looming on the horizon he could not NOT join. Although with this not really well thought out jump in he turned to “OWS let’s make money quick” (con) artist aka Jay-Z since he had nothing else to offer on the subject on hand. While Cruz was on point each and every time and as effective as Paul, IMO.

Come 2016, I hope its RAND Paul/Cruz or Cruz/RAND Paul ticket we run on. Perry, as much as I liked him before, is off my list now due to his anti-Cruz stance last year.

riddick on March 7, 2013 at 10:58 PM

True, but I don’t remember President Bush saying he wanted to use the damn things within the United States.

In fact, if Bush were the Evil Tyrant that the Left kept saying he was, Ayers, Dohrn, Obama, Sheehan, Pelosi, Reid, Moulitsas, and many other Commies would have been liquidated or in prison.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 7, 2013 at 10:26 PM

You think Putin puts up with that nonsense?

kim roy on March 7, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Rubio, the Piss Ant.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 10:58 PM

You think Putin puts up with that nonsense?

kim roy on March 7, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Putin just cancelled out any and all “reforms” Medvedev tried to install.

riddick on March 7, 2013 at 10:59 PM

When I look at Marco Rubio, now all I see is the face of John McCain looking back at me and I can almost hear, “My friends, my friends …” coming from his mendacious mouth. It has become very clear that Rubio is The Man Who Never Was. He’s just a conman with no longer very convincing cons, so teenage girls you can get over your crush on him and now would be a good time.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 11:01 PM

I can almost hear, “My friends, my friends …” coming from his mendacious mouth.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 11:01 PM

You licked up on that, too? I was about to throw up during 2008 debates every time I heard that.

Rubio is hack who threw 2012 GOP primaries under the bus in FL. Romney Lite and not much else. At best. Anyone who doesn’t “know” his family history is am opportunistic LIAR. In no uncertain terms.

riddick on March 7, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Picked up…

riddick on March 7, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Allapundit thank you so much !!! You are making the same mistake Hot Air and all the right wing hacks like Hannity,Rush,Malkin,Morris made last election cycle.You are getting your echo chamber of right wing nonsense and crazy bloggers mixed up with the American electorate.Keep thinking Rand Paul did something worthwhile yesterday,keep thinking it represented a victory over President Obama,keep thinking that the American public cares about it. Keep supporting right wingers like Cruz ,Rubio, and Paul and help them get nominated for the GOP in 2016. President Hillary Clinton will much appreciate it. Hot Air was stunned by Obama ,Biden and the American public last election day ,and looks like you will be again next time too. Thanks Allah

U2denver on March 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM

U2denver on March 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM

If we “bloggers” and one of the site’s authors are such fools, why are you here?

“Pride goeth before the fall.”

Hillary Clinton is no prize; you might consider re-examining your goals there.

Lourdes on March 8, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Yet another moron chimes in. Just how many idiots registered during last open window? Communism is cancer upon society, and just like cancer it must be carved out.

riddick on March 8, 2013 at 12:00 AM

RINO scum.

Lindsay and McShamnesty.

profitsbeard on March 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM

I’m not even going to get in to how wrong he is on the merits, but doesn’t he at least realize that Paul, and Rubio, and Cruz weren’t even in the Senate when Bush was President?

rexbatt on March 8, 2013 at 1:10 AM

U2denver on March 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM

This is a hysterical rant which proves the effectiveness of Rand Paul. He’s not a talking points bot like Romney or your typical establishment Neocon like McCain, he transcended partisanship during his 12 hours while you are left defending Obama for everything you criticized Bush for doing.

As for being “shocked”, you were already stunned by the Red Wave in 2010, all the movement needs now is to be personified by a single man to take the party in a new, fresh direction; Rand Paul clearly shows signs of being that leader.

So cling to your old partisan allegiances you hack, once your celebrity President is out of office you’re back to the same old faces having to defend a whole slew of hypocrisies on national security. Will 70 year old Hillary be up to that task? lol

I look forward to seeing Paul flank Hillary on civil liberties and Neocon interventionism in 2016.

Daemonocracy on March 8, 2013 at 1:39 AM

U2denver on March 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Keep forking that chicken.

Christien on March 8, 2013 at 2:08 AM

Graham, you are such a moron. We weren’t freaked out under Bush because Bush didn’t bomb an American citizen in Yemen.

John the Libertarian on March 8, 2013 at 2:10 AM

Lyndsay Graham is Arizona’s third senator, obviously McCain wears the pants in that family

OhioBuckeye7 on March 8, 2013 at 4:02 AM

Below is the full list of the castrated Republicans in the Senate:

Alexander, Lamar – (R – TN) Class II
Ayotte, Kelly – (R – NH) Class III
Blunt, Roy – (R – MO) Class III
Boozman, John – (R – AR) Class III
Burr, Richard – (R – NC) Class III
Coats, Daniel – (R – IN) Class III
Coburn, Tom – (R – OK) Class III
Cochran, Thad – (R – MS) Class II
Collins, Susan M. – (R – ME) Class II
Corker, Bob – (R – TN) Class I
Crapo, Mike – (R – ID) Class III
Enzi, Michael B. – (R – WY) Class II
Fischer, Deb – (R – NE) Class I
Graham, Lindsey – (R – SC) Class II
Grassley, Chuck – (R – IA) Class III
Hatch, Orrin G. – (R – UT) Class I
Heller, Dean – (R – NV) Class I
Hoeven, John – (R – ND) Class III
Inhofe, James M. – (R – OK) Class II
Isakson, Johnny – (R – GA) Class III
Johanns, Mike – (R – NE) Class II
McCain, John – (R – AZ) Class III
Murkowski, Lisa – (R – AK) Class III
Portman, Rob – (R – OH) Class III
Risch, James E. – (R – ID) Class II
Roberts, Pat – (R – KS) Class II
Sessions, Jeff – (R – AL) Class II
Shelby, Richard C. – (R – AL) Class III
Vitter, David – (R – LA) Class III
Wicker, Roger F. – (R – MS) Class I

If any of these ‘honorable’ people belong to you be certain to send them your love.

DannoJyd on March 8, 2013 at 4:32 AM

Graham is better at comparing apples to oranges than anyone who ever put on a matching asshat.
Conservatism would be better served without the gullible wisdom of McCain, Graham, and Boehner.
Basically, if it draws criticism from these three … you’re on the right side.

kregg on March 8, 2013 at 5:48 AM

Graham is better at comparing apples to oranges than anyone who ever put on a matching dumb-mass-hat.
Conservatism would be better served without the gullible wisdom of McCain, Graham, and Boehner.
Basically, if it draws criticism from these three … you’re on the right side.

kregg on March 8, 2013 at 5:49 AM

The differences are:
In a combat zone all bets are off.
In the USA we are protected by the constitution.
If a president issued a drone strike it would have to be approved by the governor of the State where it is being deployed, at a military facility, CDC contagion area, nuclear facility, or under marshall law.
I cannot think of any other lawful way to approve an attack on US soil. Outside of these guidelines I think that it would be an act of treason.

kregg on March 8, 2013 at 6:08 AM

My take.

kingsjester on March 8, 2013 at 6:38 AM

kingsjester on March 8, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Great Take KJ

Spot on!

ergo, the lsm is just lovin their maverick duo

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 6:44 AM

If I’m not mistaken, these Republicans that Graham refers to were elected…post-Bush.

Why quibble with truth, honesty, and integrity where there is a dinner with POTUS to be had and manipulation to create.

John Kettlewell on March 8, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Rand Paul has delivered a valuable public service in determining who should be primaried and removed the next time they are up for re-election.

BKennedy on March 8, 2013 at 7:07 AM

Take a hike Graham and take your puppetmaster, McCain, with you.

rplat on March 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM

cmsinaz on March 8, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on March 8, 2013 at 7:37 AM

The simple thing to do at this point is for Senators Rand, Lee, et. al. to put together a two page bill that just states that drone technologies may not be used to launch attacks against American Citizens in the territory of the United States. Period.

SWAT teams with helicopters should be able to cover the ‘ticking time bomb’ sort of deal and an imminent attack by using a jetliner isn’t really something you want drones flying around constantly armed for – in the time it takes to prep a drone you can scramble a fighter to do the same job, faster. And if the country let people in ready to attack it LEGALLY then that is the problem of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH and if they came in illegally that is a problem of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH for not enforcing the laws created by Congress. Shoot down all those ‘foreigners’ that might come here to do harm by pointing out that Congress already put laws on the books to COVER THOSE TOPICS and DRONES ARE NOT NEEDED FOR THEM.

Just put that bill into committee and dare anyone to say something against it and then step right up to the Senate floor and put that Senator on the spot by pointing out that they are unwilling to safeguard your life, your liberty, your due process rights right here in the United States. D or R you name the names.

The best part is that this can start in the Senate.

Then the next bill can cover wide-ranging drone surveillance and espionage against Citizens in the territory of the US. Which is also breaking due process rights and has no judge in the loop to hand out a warrant for such work on an active CRIMINAL CASE that is ongoing against someone suspected of COMMITTING A CRIME.

Libertarians in the Senate have a chance to strike while the iron is hot… and it wouldn’t take much effort, either.

ajacksonian on March 8, 2013 at 7:48 AM

Hot Air was stunned by Obama ,Biden and the American public last election day…
 
U2denver on March 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM

 
This is a fair statement. I think a large majority of informed voters were puzzled that unemployment could be that bad, NSA surveillance increased, the economy still not recovered, gold prices still extremely high (not that people know what it relates to, but still), etc., and he could still get so many American Idol folks off the couch to vote for him.
 
“And the American public” is right. Realizing firsthand that they were so massively ill-informed while simultaneously self-centered and easily led/misled was what stunned me the most. It was almost like they didn’t care to know what was happening around them.
 
Or they only knew “gimme your stuff”, which they did care about.
 
So yes, I agree completely with you. Well put.

rogerb on March 8, 2013 at 7:48 AM

I may not be Senator Paul’s biggest fan. That being said, I am certainly glad he is a Republican member of the Senate and concerned with our Bill of Rights and actually doing the job he was elected to do.

Meanwhile, we have lifelong politicians such as McCain and Graham who have done nothing close to honorable over the course of their entire careers. They have become symbolic of everything wrong with Congress. While a very serious question was being debated in the chamber, a question I might add the President via his Attorney General felt strongly enough about to address, they were eating an extravagant dinner with the President.

And what it Mr. McCain and Graham’s response? To attack someone who was protecting and defending the Constitution they swore to uphold. A member of their own party supported by other party members and an assorted number of people from across the political spectrum.

This president has assaulted the fiscal, social and defensive pillars of our society for four years now. When has McCain or Graham ever spoken out so vociferously against any of those intrusions? The answer is never.

Personally, I believe they should relish their surrender dinner with the President. Because neither of them deserves are support and we should do all possible to rid Washington of their presence.

Bravo, Senator Paul. You have my sincere thanks.

Marcus Traianus on March 8, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Cool down Lindsey. You and Maverick Senator John need to wait just a little while, because your pal Barry said we won’t be at war much longer.

Mr. Grump on March 8, 2013 at 8:39 AM

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