Lindsey Graham to GOP senators: Funny how you guys didn’t worry about drones under Bush

posted at 4:01 pm on March 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, here’s why I said in the McCain post that I didn’t share Mollie Hemingway’s receding cynicism. I trust that Paul would have the same objections to drone policy under a Republican president. I trust that Mike Lee would too. Beyond that, things get iffy. Glenn Greenwald has a point here:

Graham’s the right guy to challenge Paul because he is, in his own way, as nonpartisan on executive counterterrorism power as Paul is. If I understand him correctly, he ends up arguing at the end here that “enemy combatant” status is itself sufficient to justify a drone strike on a U.S. citizen on American soil whether or not he’s carrying out an attack at the time. This is the same guy who once lamented that we couldn’t rein in Koran-burning on grounds that, and I quote, “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” This is not a guy who worries overly much about constitutional niceties when it comes to the military doing its job on counterterrorism. It’d be nice, at least, though, if he managed not to distort Paul’s point in the process. Paul’s not worried about Obama targeting noncombatants; what he’s saying is that there should be special protocols when dealing with “enemy combatants” if they’re American citizens and within reach of law enforcement here in the U.S. His point about Jane Fonda being theoretically targeted is that the definition of “enemy combatant” can be murky and potentially easily abused; to this day, the hard evidence that Awlaki was more than a propagandist and actually an operational leader is classified. Paul’s trying to draw at least one bright-line rule to limit the president’s power to unilaterally execute American citizens: In very narrow circumstances — U.S. citizen on U.S. soil who’s not presently engaged in an attack — you’ve got to send in the FBI to try to pick him up, not a Predator armed with Hellfires to take him down. Compared to the amount of anti-drone agitation in wider libertarian circles, Paul’s request here is actually conspicuously modest. He’s not asking for drone attacks in Pakistan and Yemen to end. He’s not even asking, as Graham is quick to note, that Obama quit firing at American-citizen jihadis overseas. He wants some acknowledged limit on executive power and he chose the strongest conceptual ground on which to ask for it.

But look. Graham’s not really worried about Paul’s drone position here. What he’s worried about is a sea change inside the GOP caucus towards the isolationist view of the war on terror. I can imagine the look on his face when he saw Marco Rubio, the great interventionist hope, head to the floor yesterday afternoon to lend Paul a hand. (Rubio’s not going to make it easy for Paul to paint him as the GOP’s next crazed superhawk in 2016.) After 11 years of war it’s doubtless true that isolationism has more fans among Republicans than at any time in the last few decades; to see a member of the Paul family suddenly the party’s new hero must be a nightmare for McCain and Graham. As Ace puts it:

Now it’s possible they’re suspicious of Rand Paul and think he’s carrying water for his father’s Doctrinaire Pacifism but under the false flag of a much more narrow issue on which he has the right; that is, they think he’s trying to move opinion to the Doctrine Pacifist camp in the typical way the Pacifists and anti-American agitators do it, to wit, seizing one one particular grabby issue at a time.

I have to confess I have the same suspicion. I do believe Rand Paul is his father’s son.

So do I, and so I think do lots of mainstream conservatives, which is why Graham’s worries are overblown. The cynicism-inducing question from last night’s Senate insurrection is how many of them mean it and how many of them pitched in simply because it was an irresistible chance to publicly humiliate Obama on a basic constitutional question. The retail politics of it were so winning that I actually thought McCain and Graham might themselves swing by to offer some sort of tepid endorsement of minimal executive accountability. Didn’t happen, but I also don’t think Paul’s stand presages any tidal shift in the Republican caucus. Anyone believe, if O orders a raid on Iran’s reactors tomorrow, the GOP as a body will react with paleocon laments about imperialism and U.S. aggression? Graham’s not really talking to Paul and Mike Lee here (note his persistent backhanded compliments of Paul at the beginning for being a principled libertarian), he’s simply warning the rest that he knows grandstanding when he sees it and is prepared to call them on it if they keep it up.


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Also interesting how demorats had a shiz fit over Bush WIRETAPPING US citizens inside the US, but are perfectly fine with Obama killing them.

Zaggs on March 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM

They had to cease being concerned with that when Obama continued the same policies

Benaiah on March 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I give Rubio props, but he was quite wishy washy and indecisive about the whole thing. He had to tweet first and see which way the wind blew. The people who were really there through thick and thin were Lee and Cruz. And you really have to give Wyden props for crossing the aisle and keeping principles no matter which party was filibustering.

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM

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Last night was the first time I have ever listened to Senator Cruz speak.

I came away very impressed with his intelligence, knowledge and integrity.

PolAgnostic on March 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM

This is a snit fit by McCain and Graham, who wanted their “bipartisan” dinner with Obama to be the big news today.

Wethal on March 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM

What you said up there. What a let down this morning.

#StandWithRand

JPeterman on March 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM

If the executive defines who is an “enemy combatant”, are they still not the judge, jury, and potential executioner of American Citizens?

weaselyone on March 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Rand Paul opposed Brennan’s confirmation. So did Mitch McConnell.

22044 on March 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Tater Salad on March 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Are you aware that in their book, What Is Marriage? Man and Woman: A Defense, Sherif Girgis, Ryan T. Anderson, and Robert George make the case that marriage helps to ensure limited government, while its redefinition would only increase government reach?

INC on March 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Barack Obama can not possible want to eradicate anyone. This implicit melodious slander against our Dear Leader is totally unacceptable. In addition to being the world’s greatest golfer, and having to overcome on a daily basis all the media’s withering barrage of tough questioning into his every move made in the past, present or in the future, our brilliant Dear Leader now has a halo over his head. I know he does because I saw it on the cover of Newsweek magazine and Newsweek magazine would never lie. I have never heard of such an absurd thing before as someone with a halo over his head being the least bit vindictive.

Additionally our beloved Dear Leader was education at the very finest universities where he excelled in reeling and writhing, of course, to begin with and then all the different branches of arithmetic: ambition, distraction, falsification and derision with additional courses in Karl Marx and Napoleon Bonaparte, with history washing for extra credit. Always trust Dear Leader Emperor Barack Hussein Louie Hugo Benito Isuzu Obama the Magnificent in everything he says and does even if the connection between what he says and does is not apparent to your lowly mind.

Besides, two of America’s greatest patriots and most selfless and honest men ever, the honorable John McCain and the honorable Lindsey Graham both assure us that Dear Leader is also a patriotic man who has only the best interests of all Americans at heart on a daily basis of working 18 hour days, so that should completely settle the mater right there in the minds of all who are not being ridiculous. We have their word on it. Our beloved Dear Leader wouldn’t be doing what he is doing to whom he is doing it if he didn’t know where he was at when he was doing it or he wouldn’t be where he was at if he didn’t know what he was doing and to whom he was doing it to. If he decides to kill you with a drone or has you shot with a hollow point or has you run over with an armored vehicle, it’s only because it’s for your own good.

Cheshire Cat on March 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I love all this concern about BOOOSH!

It’s deja vu…all over again.

kingsjester on March 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Graham’s not really talking to Paul and Mike Lee here (note his persistent backhanded compliments of Paul at the beginning for being a principled libertarian), he’s simply warning the rest that he knows grandstanding when he sees it and is prepared to call them on it if they keep it up.

Graham calling someone on grandstanding? Heh. How could you take that seriously, AP?

Curtiss on March 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Graham’s pompous lecture here is total BS. Paul was simply making a point about the confirmation process and not getting a direct answer, and, more broadly, he was offering a long-overdue reassertion of Congressional power. So simple. Graham’s comparison to the GOP response to all Bush policies, absent any context of a confirmation matter, is thoroughly disingenuous.

But the most outrageous part of this was at the end when Graham says that criticizing the President for not answering a question from Congress “cheapens the debate.” Whaaaaaa??? This clown does not deserve ANY job, much less deserve to be in Congress.

On the up-side, I’m genuinely relishing seeing Paul drive these guys crazy. LOL.

WhatSlushfund on March 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Not sure why a pullback on some of our interventionist impulses is considered a bad thing. I look at what we’ve ended up with as a bottom line in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Lost a lot of fine young lives, maimed many more, tons of money poured down a rathole in both places, and what is the end result? If we needed to make war, get Congressional approval, GO TO WAR with decent ROEs, accomplish the mission, then leave. The way we’ve been doing it invariably gets screwed up by politicians with their fingers in the pie.

a capella on March 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM

CoffeeLover on March 7, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Unless I missed his name, it looks like everyone who stood with Paul voted no except Rubio..

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Things we didn’t worry about with Bush…

American citizens being hit by drones on American soil without due process.

The Senate thumbing its nose at the law and not submitting a budget for 4 years.

Sequestration

Death Panels

Lily on March 7, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I have to confess I have the same suspicion. I do believe Rand Paul is his father’s son.

So what? There are worse things. You know, like Obama’s father’s son, just to name one.

Curtiss on March 7, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Really South Carolina? Really? 4.7M people and Lindsey is the best you can do?

traye on March 7, 2013 at 4:52 PM

The delivery method of said murder is irrelevant to the whole argument.

It could be drones, or lasers, or by dropping a grand Piano from the back of an B52 onto said citizen’s head.

Not Allowed.

can_con on March 7, 2013 at 4:52 PM

“The cynicism-inducing question from last night’s Senate insurrection is how many of them mean it and how many of them pitched in simply because it was an irresistible chance to publicly humiliate Obama on a basic constitutional question.”

Obowma and his gang have been wiping their a%%es with the Constitution since day one…

… Finally, after four years, someone had the stones to stand up and call him on it.

And Lindsay calls it ‘grandstanding‘…

Seven Percent Solution on March 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Boy, you guys sure opened a can of worms when you defended Bush for getting the ball rolling on this.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on March 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM

It IS hypocritical. But, as always, parties switch power and they ALWAYS end up switching their positions, actions, and strategies to exactly what they opposed only months ago. Republicans argue against things they defended tooth and nail under Bush. Democrats endorse things the fought tooth and nail against under Bush.

The teams switch sides, the game never stops, and nothing ever changes, even if you do/did buy into the messenger’s delivery of theatrical partisan jingoism. We’ve been on the same trajectory for half a century, democrats or republicans in power. And neither seem even the least bit interested in breaking that mold. Put Sarah Palin in there, even her you’ll be able to see it happen with if she were in power.

That said, I think the Republicans are scratching at the wrong post here. I don’t think the Obama administrations “defense” of the idea or attempt to maintain this executive power has anything, or at least VERY little to do with Al-Qaeda and everything to do with preparing themselves for attempted insurrection by angry, marginalized, and hopeless feeling conservatives, scared and worked into a lather by AM advertising salesmen.

Genuine on March 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM

This guy is an idiot.

forest on March 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Unless I missed his name, it looks like everyone who stood with Paul voted no except Rubio..

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Rubio busy playing both sides.

INC on March 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Not that anybody cares but for the record, when news first broke that Awlaki was killed in Yemen I said here at the time that while I thought he probably deserved it, that he was entitled to due process of law.

On the other hand, what do liberals say about Hellfire Missiles, do they not consider death by Hellfire “cruel and unusual punishment”?

Democrats and a neocons like McCain and Graham need to justify themselves. They are unfit for office!

FloatingRock on March 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Are you aware that in their book, What Is Marriage? Man and Woman: A Defense, Sherif Girgis, Ryan T. Anderson, and Robert George make the case that marriage helps to ensure limited government, while its redefinition would only increase government reach?

INC on March 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Well and I don’t think he is too aware of Paul’s position on this either. I think he think that he automatically shares daddy’s view..

Speaking at an event sponsored by the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said that he didn’t think President Obama’s views on marriage “could get any gayer.”

The remarks, which were posted in a video to the website The Iowa Republican, drew laughs from the crowd. “Call me cynical,” he said, “but I wasn’t sure his views on marriage could get any gayer.”

Though Paul’s comment elicited laughs from the crowd, not everyone thinks same-sex marriage is a joke. Most notably, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins said on CBS’s Face the Nation on Sunday that same-sex marriage isn’t “something to poke fun at other people about,” chastising Paul for his joke.

“I don’t think it’s a laughing matter,” he said. “We are talking about individuals who feel very strongly one way or the other, and I think we should be civil, respectful, allowing all sides to have the debate.”

In his speech, Paul drove home the idea of reinforcing a traditional family, saying that “the family is a really important thing” and it was necessary to defend it to “save the Republic.”

The remarks come at the end of a week in which same-sex marriage defined the conversation, after President Obama’s historic declaration on Tuesday that he supports same-sex marriage.
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melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Obama appointing “Jihad Denier”, Saudi lover and stooge Brennen to the CIA is like if FDR had appointed “Holocaust Denier” and Nazi lover Himmler to the equivalent post back then. The House should, but they won’t, deny all funding for the CIA. The CIA hasn’t done much good for years anyway, probably more harm than good, and will be a menace under Brennen.
Specifically as to Saudi Arabia, after 9/11, instead of heading to Quagmireville Afcrapistan, we should have invaded Saudi Arabia, taken their oil fields as financial compensation for 9/11, used a tac nuke on that black rock in Meca, and shot every male member over 18 of the Saudi Royal family and every Imam there.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Graham’s stupidity continues:

“I was going to vote against Brennan, until the filibuster,” Graham, of South Carolina, said Thursday. “I thought Brennan was arrogant, a bit shifty. I am going to vote for Brennan now because it’s become a referendum on the drone program.”

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Lindsey Graham to GOP senators: Funny how you guys didn’t worry about drones under Bush

…Fluke YOU…Flaggot!

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Last night was the first time I have ever listened to Senator Cruz speak.

I came away very impressed with his intelligence, knowledge and integrity.

PolAgnostic on March 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I fall a little more in love with him everytime I hear him. And you can tell the left is scared. They are already calling him dumb, stupid and the new McCarthy.

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 4:57 PM

The delivery method of said murder is irrelevant to the whole argument.

can_con on March 7, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Yep. Drives me crazy. Our government perfected many methods of killing, long before drones came into existence.

a capella on March 7, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I give Rubio props, but he was quite wishy washy and indecisive about the whole thing. He had to tweet first and see which way the wind blew. The people who were really there through thick and thin were Lee and Cruz. And you really have to give Wyden props for crossing the aisle and keeping principles no matter which party was filibustering.

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Oh I give him props as well. Rubio actually came in quite early. However, Rubio is an internationalist who hired former Bush staffers for his foreign policy team, so this wasn’t a principled stand. It was all about understanding shrewd politics and getting on board. Both Paul and Rubio are quite good at this.

Illinidiva on March 7, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Here are the 14 R Senators who voted for Brennan’s confirmation.

Lamar Alexander
Saxby Chambliss
Dan Coats
Tom Coburn
Susan Collins
Bob Corker
John McCain
Lindsey Graham
Jeff Flake
Johnny Isaacson
Mark Kirk
Lisa Murkowski
Marco Rubio
David Vitter

22044 on March 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM

What happens if the government tries to assassinate more Americans overseas and the hellfire missile doesn’t finish the job and the victim suffers an unusually cruel death? Would the government tell us?

FloatingRock on March 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM

A sinister fool is confirmed.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Republicans voting to confirm Brennan:

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Flake (R-AZ), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Yea

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM

guess where I was coming from is on issues like gay marriage and abortion. We are fighting those on religious grounds, not Constitutional grounds. The libertarian position is generally for much less government involvement; for gay marriage there is nothing for or against in the Constitution, and abortion needs to be fought on the human rights and scientific front.

Many conservatives approach these on a much more religious/morality angle.

Tater Salad on March 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Actually many of don’t come from a religious perspective on those issues. Many of us come from a legal, scientific and human rights perspective on those fronts. And many of us would be happy if those issues should be decided by the voters by the indivdidual states without court intervention and if we could be guaranteed that we wouldn’t be sued or have to pay for any consequences resulting from said laws.

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Somehow if I don’t object to killing foreign, non-citizen fighters in a foreign country, I lose my right to oppose the killing of citizen non-combatants in the USA? Is this a rule or something? Because nobody told me that to accept the former I’d have to accept the latter. If they did, I’d probably have to refuse the former as well. Which I really don’t want to.

besser tot als rot on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM

David Vitter

22044 on March 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Vitter didn’t vote for Brennan. I believe he was absent from the Senate today.

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Graham’s stupidity infantile petulance and war on the United States Constitution and the American People continues:

“I was going to vote against Brennan, until the filibuster,” Graham, of South Carolina, said Thursday. “I thought Brennan was arrogant, a bit shifty. I am going to vote for Brennan now because it’s become a referendum on the drone program.”

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:01 PM

22044 on March 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Regardless of what Miz Lindsey claims her vote intentions were before the filibuster, I’ll bet she was planning on a yes vote anyway and just took advantage of an opportunity to lay a little more hate on Rand Paul.

a capella on March 7, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Yea

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Oh I see Hatch decided to drop his Tea Party cred after winning his last election.

JPeterman on March 7, 2013 at 5:03 PM

What’s at work here with Graham in my view is pure resentment of Paul, as well as fear of what many in the Establishment sense is the roiling of revolution within the party. Yesterday “something” happened that made it all more clear, and “imminent.” It must be stopped.

Graham’s previous remarks about free speech and the Koran burning illustrate the self-loathing and uncomprehending concessions, in noble phrasings of cultural tolerance, moderation and reason, to theocratic fascism typical of so many in our Establishment. They also miss that the free-speech issue is a front of the war as significant if not more so than the military battlefield.

rrpjr on March 7, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Has Obama hired Graham and McCain as coolers for the GOP?

Fallon on March 7, 2013 at 5:04 PM

McCain is a traitor. What else do you call a Senator who plotted to reward 11 to 30 million foreign invaders with their ill-gotten goods (residency)? And he did it with a blatant subterfuge in the middle of the night.

2006 – McCain’s “comprehensive” Z visa had a 90 calendar waiting period for any illegal alien after applying for his comprehensive amnesty — residency, right to work, and right to leave and re-enter our country at will (just like a passport). If the FBI could not complete a criminal background check during those 90 days, and the DHHS didn’t have time to check for MDR tuberculosis, etc., too bad for them — the illegal alien got AUTOMATIC residency!!

Maybe you think 90 days isn’t too bad.

In 2007 McCain changed the 90 days to a SINGLE BUSINESS DAY.
McCain said to America, “Screw you — I’m letting them ALL in!!”

And Graham is McCain’s biggest cheerleader and co-conspirator on this issue.

A pox on both of them. Why try to save the country from financial disaster if you’re going to give it away to 20 million foreign invaders??

fred5678 on March 7, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Republicans voting to confirm Brennan:

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Flake (R-AZ), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Yea

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM

That would be the anti-Constitution, pro amnesty, pro muslim “rebels” little POS punk Rubio. Flake, a new McCain, who lied when running for the senate in Arizona is a punk too.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

The wire tapping during the anti Bush rant was supposedly US citizens giving intell to the terrorists and we can thank the media for making it known to the world and the intell gathering stopped. Nice going media for letting the terrorist know that fact. Brilliant!

mixplix on March 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Until this shrill hissy fit, I was inclined to give Graham the benefit of the doubt and root against a primary challenge in 2014. Not anymore. I say bring it on.

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Has Obama hired Graham and McCain as coolers for the GOP?

Fallon on March 7, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Might as well have, and their understudies Rubio and Flake.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Matt Drudge has this framed perfectly:

McCain tells Sen. Paul to ‘calm down’…
Graham calls freshman ‘ridiculous’…
DUO DINED WITH OBAMA DURING FILIBUSTER…

Follow by the headline: “Old Bulls Buck Rand Stand”

Like I said earlier today, it’s time to set these old bulls out to pasture.

Rovin on March 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Why do Graham and McCain keep getting re-elected?

mythicknight on March 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Flake, a new McCain, who lied when running for the senate in Arizona is a punk too.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Wasn’t flake supposed to be some sort of libertarian-leaning Republican? Hard to explain his vote for Brennan. His support for amnesty, on the other hand, makes a little more sense.

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Until this shrill hissy fit, I was inclined to give Graham the benefit of the doubt and root against a primary challenge in 2014. Not anymore. I say bring it on.

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM

I don’t see how even a democrat could be any more anti-American than Graham.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Lindsey Graham is no bull…he’s a steer.

d1carter on March 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

No surprise about Rubio, the little squeak. He really is the littlest boy on the playground, running around and bugging the big boys, yelling “pick me, look at me, I’m here”. He absolutely gags me. And Corker, why doesn’t he just don his blue cape and fly away?

MustLoveBlogs on March 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Wasn’t flake supposed to be some sort of libertarian-leaning Republican? Hard to explain his vote for Brennan. His support for amnesty, on the other hand, makes a little more sense.

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM

I have been observing Flake and he is a two-face and he has shown himself so soon. Not a very clever fellow.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

These idiots just confirmed a sinister muzzie-loving dummy.

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Flake (R-AZ), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Yea

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Why do we listen to this guy? Maybe because he is on television soooooo much and that gives him some kind of credibility? I don’t think any thinking person really thinks so.

Pardonme on March 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM

“I was going to vote against Brennan, until the filibuster,” Graham, of South Carolina, said Thursday. “I thought Brennan was arrogant, a bit shifty. I am going to vote for Brennan now because it’s become a referendum on the drone program.”

“I’m gonna vote for this arrogant, shifty yeller-bellied Yankee ‘cuz, like, ya know, I really am juz pea green with envy and I juz believe that we can’t think about what might happen to our sacred drone programme tomorrow, tomorrow isn’t juz another day! As God is my witness, I’ll never let a’nutta passel of mealy-mouthed, Tea Party brats get da Senate floor again!”

- Senator Lindsey Graham O’Hara (RINO-MIC, SC)

Resist We Much on March 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM

In general I think any president should be able to have the Cabinet he wants.

gerrym51 on March 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Flake has the perfect last name.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Why do Graham and McCain keep getting re-elected?

mythicknight on March 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM

They do Jeckle and Hyde routines at election time and their constituents keep falling for it. In 2010 McCain pretended to be Tom Tancredo and Joe Arpiao combined. Now he’s back to his real self. I suppose Graham pulls the same act.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Little shit Ms. Lindsey forgot her pet peeve, intoxicated by Obama’s shitdinner.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2013 at 5:15 PM

- Senator Lindsey Graham O’Hara (RINO-MIC, SC)

Resist We Much on March 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM

I bet he even has a curtain dress.

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Flake has the perfect last name.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Fun fact: Jeff Flake was born in the town of Snowflake, Arizona.

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:16 PM

For shame! A few Republicans stand up for principle in such a way as to capture the imagination of even a few jaded Democrats, and force the ACLU to line up onside! This is called for once seizing the high moral ground, and nailing the hypocrisy of the Democrats in a very prublic way. So naturally a RINO had to crap on them.

I hope Juan McLame has backstabbed his party for the last time, but I wouldn’t count on it, because this could get him invited back on to lots of liberal talk shows, so he can re-energized his media base!!

Creep. Hey Arizona, recall your dog and make him quit crapping on our lawn?!

drunyan8315 on March 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Me and my conservative/libertarian friends cannot understand how Graham got re-elected in 2008. He has little to no support from true conservatives here in the state of SC ! He will be primaries come 2014 – just watch us. He and McCain are made for each other – the best Senator we had just resigned – Jim Demint !

alQemist on March 7, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Funny how they can’t contain their rage against Paul today. This says as much as Paul did.

rrpjr on March 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM

You should always remember McPain and Graham “cracker” love and respect like Feinstein and loathe people like yourselves. Actually loathe to the tenth power. If you are smart enough to know that they are lying scum, you are the enemy and worthy of dronning (??)

rik on March 7, 2013 at 5:21 PM

The United States of America now has a sharia compliant director.

tom daschle concerned on March 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM

The United States of America now has a sharia compliant director of the Central Intelligence. Agency.

tom daschle concerned on March 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM

fifm

tom daschle concerned on March 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM

And Corker, why doesn’t he just don his blue cape and fly away?

MustLoveBlogs on March 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Because he is getting elected because of the R after his name. He go challenged last time- and they didn’t show well.. but we Tennesseeans should def. put a challenger up. We have supermajorities in our Congress so it should be just a matter of changing out him with another R..

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I’m a little disapponted to NOT SEE the topic, ‘The Palinization of Rand Paul’ here.

I occured to me that the GOP elitists would be forced [in their minds] to start attacking relevant representatives like Paul and Cruz because those fine men are doing their jobs and have gained the support of the American people, just as Sarah did in 2008!

Rush really nailed it when he said,

“Last night people finally had somebody to rally around. Somebody finally spoke up and reflected what you all think and what you all fear. And somebody, in addition to speaking up, was actually trying to put the brakes on the direction this country’s being taken. So, yeah, it made perfect sense for people to rally behind it and rally to it. And then today after that we get the old guard, the ruling class, Republican establishment types belittling what happened last night. Casting it aside. It’s insignificant. Violated the rules of the Senate. Bad image. Silly to say that the president wants to launch drone strikes on America. Why do we even have to answer that question. That’s so absurd, it’s silly. Why, it was embarrassing last night.”

So, who do we have to thank for getting people like Cruz and Paul elected? It isn’t the GOPe or the Rombots.

Like it or not, only the TEA Partys are relevant today. So, what will you do in 2014? Will you roll over like McShame, or will you take a stand!

If not you, who?

DannoJyd on March 7, 2013 at 5:26 PM

They also miss that the free-speech issue is a front of the war as significant if not more so than the military battlefield.

rrpjr on March 7, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Far more significant as the military part is worse than a cluster frack failure.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Did Bush target U.S. citizens for assassination with drones?

No, he just detained them indefinitely while denying them their constitutional right to habeas corpus. So much better than blowing them away with a drone. Many “conservatives” were okay with this.

Armin Tamzarian on March 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

You’re funny.

Del Dolemonte on March 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM

The United States of America now has a sharia compliant director of the Central Intelligence. Agency.

tom daschle concerned on March 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM

fifm

tom daschle concerned on March 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The way you had it before is right too.

VorDaj on March 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Speaking of curtain dresses

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:30 PM

out with the old, in with the new

Wagthatdog on March 7, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Now it’s possible they’re suspicious of Rand Paul and think he’s carrying water for his father’s Doctrinaire Pacifism but under the false flag of a much more narrow issue on which he has the right; that is, they think he’s trying to move opinion to the Doctrine Pacifist camp in the typical way the Pacifists and anti-American agitators do it, to wit, seizing one one particular grabby issue at a time.

I have to confess I have the same suspicion. I do believe Rand Paul is his father’s son. Ace

The problem is the GOP as a whole is under suspicion by many Americans of being loaded with interventionist nut cases who think the U.S. military is some kind of world police force who must be sent to every conflict on this earth. That we must save ever nation from itself. That we must billions of tax dollars and thousands of lives to accomplish it.

The American people are sick of it. The fastest way the GOP can send itself into eternal minority status is to start pushing the Neo-Conservative line. Iraq was a mistake. You can spin anyway you want. Yes we need a strong military, we need to help our best allies, the ones who actually count as friends and are strategically important. But me clue you that is not Iraq, that is Syria, that is not Libya, that is not Egypt, with the advancements in fracking in this country that is not Arabia. Idiots like McCain and Bush family have done and will continue to do far more damage to this party and this nation than anything Rand Paul has proposed.

No nation, not even this one, can solve all problems in this world. What really destroyed the Roman Empire was not just internal decay, but also endless wars with barbarians.

For the love of god stop trying to save the world. It makes Neo-Cons look like environmentalist going on about global warming. The GOP has to beat back that image and Rand Paul is the tonic for that.

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 5:33 PM

I bet he even has a curtain dress.

steebo77 on March 7, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Coke hurts when it comes flying out of your nose.

Resist We Much on March 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM

As a fellow Southerner, I wish you much luck with that. Tennessee deserves better.

MustLoveBlogs on March 7, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I look forward to the day when pro-life groups are classified as enemies of the state

Armin Tamzarian on March 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Why not? After all, the Vice President you voted for (a guy who dodged the draft as many times as Dick Cheney) has already classified Republicans as equal to al Qaeda. Using your “logic”, it will be perfectly OK to Drone them as well.

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 7, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Spell checked and fixed from above….Lesson: never type and write when you are mad….

The problem is the GOP as a whole is under suspicion by many Americans of being loaded with interventionist nut cases who think the U.S. military is some kind of world police force who must be sent to every conflict on this earth. That we must save every nation from itself. That we must SPEND billions of tax dollars and thousands of lives to accomplish it.

The American people are sick of it. The fastest way the GOP can send itself into eternal minority status is to start pushing the
Neo-Conservative line. Iraq was a mistake. You can spin anyway you want. Yes we need a strong military, we need to help our best allies, the ones who actually count as friends and are strategically important. But LET me clue you that is not Iraq, that is NOT Syria, that is not Libya, that is not Egypt, with the advancements in fracking in this country that is not Arabia. Idiots like McCain and the Bush family have done and will continue to do far more damage to this party and this nation than anything Rand Paul has proposed.

No nation, not even this one, can solve all problems in this world. What really destroyed the Roman Empire was not just internal decay, but also endless wars with barbarians. For the love of god stop trying to save the world. It makes Neo-Cons look like environmentalist going on about global warming. The GOP has to beat back that image and Rand Paul is the tonic for that.

William Eaton on March 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Flake (R-AZ), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Yea

The usual suspects, plus Coats and Rubio. RINO scum does not make good company, Senator Rubio.

Jaibones on March 7, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Actually many of don’t come from a religious perspective on those issues. Many of us come from a legal, scientific and human rights perspective on those fronts. And many of us would be happy if those issues should be decided by the voters by the indivdidual states without court intervention and if we could be guaranteed that we wouldn’t be sued or have to pay for any consequences resulting from said laws.

melle1228 on March 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM

That’s exactly my point! That should be the conservative view.

Tater Salad on March 7, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Huge difference between Bush and Obama drone strikes.

They are (at least) 10x more common under Obama, and now we’re droning people we don’t even know the identity of, because their observable behavior is “terrorist-like” (signature strikes). Good lord.

BocaJuniors on March 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM

The usual suspects, plus Coats and Rubio. RINO scum does not make good company, Senator Rubio.

Jaibones on March 7, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Yep. Rubio has chosen his team – between this and his push for obama’s amnesty plan, he is toast.

Pork-Chop on March 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Grahamnesty was on the Clinton impeachment prosecution team in the House. By his alleged logic—he poisoned the process. Clown….

kingsmill on March 7, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Rand Paul Gets His Answer:

Sen. Rand Paul declared victory Thursday after Attorney General Eric Holder assured him that the president cannot use a drone to kill a noncombatant American on U.S. soil — an assurance Paul had sought during his 13-hour filibuster the day before.
“Hooray!” Paul responded when the letter was read to him for the first time during an interview with Fox News. “For 13 hours yesterday, we asked him that question, so there is a result and a victory. Under duress and under public humiliation, the White House will respond and do the right thing.”

Shortly before the vote, Holder sent a terse letter to Paul that read: “It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no.

Suck on that Lindsey and Johnny!

Rovin on March 7, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Lindsey Graham is no bull…he’s a steer.

d1carter on March 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

My dad’s dog is so spoiled he eats a bully-stick every night… but then, I’d guess that Lindsey Graham does too!

FloatingRock on March 7, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Graham should have listened to the filibuster. Paul went out of his way over and over to explain his support for use of drones, and never said we’re not at war and should not use drones. He even said he could see instance where drones could be used domestically. All he wanted was to clarify and remind people that we have a bill of rights and that no president should stray over that line.
Lindsey Graham is a liar and a coward. Why didn’t he take the opportunity to join in yesterday and challenge Pauls views? We’ve moved beyond, WAY beyond where Bush was in terms of drone use.

exceller on March 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Allah, you’re kidding right. Graham complaining about grandstanding????!!! Graham orchestrted last night’s Obamafest. He’ and McCain are on the Sundayshows more than David Gregory. And you know what, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights come first. George C. Marshall understood this when he said that republics are not meant to fight 7 Years Wars. And Eisenhower warned against becoming a garrison state 55 years ago. Both menstill managed to win one war
and guide us through the perilous timesof a cold one. Both Graham and McCain should recall their original oaths “… defend the Constitution of The United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…” Not the government, not the homeland, not even The People, The Constitution!!!

xkaydet65 on March 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM

tingles was thrilled about mccain and grahams bashing of paul…

just thrilled

cmsinaz on March 7, 2013 at 6:01 PM

When Bush was in office, drones were just becoming more advanced and feasible. The techology of drones and, for example, Patriot missiles were derived, in fact, from similar advancing technology. So, other than the obvious – the right wing base being generally ok with winning wars, and military hardware and software in a Repub. prez’s hands – the chronology has made drones more a last year or two of Bush, and mostly an Obama regime modus operandi. Goober Graham is sometimes right on, but being light in the loafers, he is thin skinned and overcompensates more than a little.

bill glass on March 7, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Sorry, forgot to add the link:

Sen. Paul declares victory after Holder offers assurance on drones

Rovin on March 7, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Graham’s not really talking to Paul and Mike Lee here (note his persistent backhanded compliments of Paul at the beginning for being a principled libertarian), he’s simply warning the rest that he knows grandstanding when he sees it and is prepared to call them on it if they keep it up.

Lindsey is grandstanding! Condescending piece of cow manure! And not only is he dissing Rand Paul… as he pretends to praise him.. he’s dissing all of us! We’re too stupid to know Rand Paul was just being a stubborn little child!

He wants the attention back on them!

He’s telling everyone that the “real adults are back now.” You had your fun but it’s over. Don’t get anymore ideas. Got to stomp this fire out. They’re in charge.

He’s an apologist for Obama. He and McCain are despicable!

But the core of this is… they did not like Jr. Senators taking over while they are out having dinner with the Marxist. That is not suppose to happen.

JellyToast on March 7, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Did Bush target U.S. citizens for assassination with drones?

No, he just detained them indefinitely while denying them their constitutional right to habeas corpus. So much better than blowing them away with a drone. Many “conservatives” were okay with this.

Armin Tamzarian on March 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Last time I checked, that was an 0bama thing…

affenhauer on March 7, 2013 at 6:11 PM

I read these comments and weep for conservatism. It is dying.

The Notorious G.O.P on March 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Sen. Paul declares victory after Holder offers assurance on drones

Rovin on March 7, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Think of all those he saved…right?

verbaluce on March 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM

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