Arkansas legislature overrides veto, restores “heartbeat” abortion restrictions
posted at 8:41 am on March 7, 2013 by Ed Morrissey
Pro-life leaders have tried for the last few years to push the window of restrictions on abortions to at at least the stage where a heartbeat can be detected in normal diagnostic testing. Arkansas had been the first state to pass such a measure, but Governor Mike Beebe, a Democrat, vetoed it over concerns about its constitutionality. However, thanks to bipartisan support, both chambers of the legislature voted to override the veto and reinstate the 12-week limit:
Arkansas has the nation’s most restrictive abortion ban after the Republican-dominated state House voted Wednesday to override the governor’s veto.
The measure, S.B. 134, bans most abortions after 12 weeks if a fetal heartbeat is detected, but it includes exemptions for rape, incest, if the the mother’s life is at risk and disorders that would cause the baby to die soon after birth.
The law, titled the Arkansas Human Heartbeat Protection Act, takes effect this summer. …
Last week, the Legislature overrode another abortion-ban veto by Beebe. That bill, H.B. 1037, bans most abortions after 20 weeks, with the same exceptions, and became law with the Feb. 26 override.
Of the 4,033 abortions in the state in 2011, 20% occurred at or after 12 weeks, according to the Arkansas Department of Health.
Beebe, for his part, insisted that both laws stand no chance of being upheld by the Supreme Court and will end up costing the state a lot of time and money in futile court challenges. The New York Times reports that Beebe has a few strange bedfellows in that position:
“When is enough enough?” asked the bill’s sponsor in the legislature, Senator Jason Rapert, a Republican, who compared the more than 50 million abortions in the United States since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision to the Holocaust and the Rwandan genocide. “It’s time to take a stand.” …
But other anti-abortion leaders say that strategy, exemplified by the Arkansas law, is likely to backfire, causing courts to endorse the current limits and wasting resources that could bring real, if smaller, gains.
“As much as we would like to protect the unborn at that point, it is futile and it won’t save any babies,” said James Bopp Jr., a prominent anti-abortion lawyer who opposed the Arkansas law. Mr. Bopp, who lives in Indiana, is general counsel of National Right to Life.
He said that lower courts are virtually certain to affirm existing Supreme Court rulings and, like many other legal experts, he predicted that the Supreme Court was very unlikely to agree to hear such a case.
The reluctance to push on “fetal heartbeat” legislation comes from a fear that a negative ruling by the current Supreme Court will set precedents that may prove difficult to undo by a later, more sympathetic court. However, if Bopp is correct that the top court will avoid taking this case if an appellate court throws out the law, then there really isn’t much to fear from a more aggressive strategy. There is also a question of just when we might expect a more sympathetic court. Had Obama lost his re-election effort, that may have arrived sometime in the next few years. Now, though, if anything we may see a less sympathetic court than we have now, and therefore it may be time to roll the dice.
The odds may be a little long on a ruling upholding a state law recognizing a firmly objective and scientific criterion — a detectable heartbeat using normal ultrasound techniques (rather than the transvaginal method that created such a headache for Bob McDonnell in Virginia) — as a rational method to regulate and limit abortions. Science in pre-natal life has advanced tremendously since Roe v Wade and its companion Doe ruling, for one thing. For another, the potential swing vote on such a challenge just complained publicly about the demand for Supreme Court intervention in exactly the kind of legislative issues this presents:
Justice Anthony Kennedy says he is concerned that the U.S. Supreme Court is increasingly the venue for deciding politically charged issues such as gay marriage, health care and immigration.
The 76-year-old associate justice said Wednesday that major policies in a democracy should not depend “on what nine unelected people from a narrow legal background have to say.”
Rather, he said, it is important for political leaders to show the world that democracy works through compromise.
In this case, Arkansas legislators demonstrated bipartisan consensus on this issue. This might not be as lost a cause as some on both sides of the issue believe.
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So now he’s pro life?
Rancher on May 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM
To answer your question, Gosnell and his legal team probably don’t share your skepticism.
Stoic Patriot on May 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM
Gosnell was not a one-off.
Curtiss on May 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM
He was smiling and update until just before the verdict was read. He knows the subject wore that pro-life jury down. And he was supposed to get another jury installed to decide punishment. My hunch is reality just bit him in the ass and he didn’t like the way it felt.
DanMan on May 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM
That may be technically correct, but, oh man.
cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM
Liberals are always pro-life when it comes to their own useless arses.
squint on May 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM
So he’s not viable?
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM
Finally, Hanover Fist has a worthy cell mate.
BobMbx on May 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM
He knew he was guilty?
Skywise on May 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM
One and done. This is how you Bishop.
John the Libertarian on May 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM
He needed to go away. He’s bad for business. An appeal phase would have meant more revelations. Can’t have that.
Mr. D on May 14, 2013 at 5:29 PM
Happens all the time.
And even if he lost all his appeals, even up through the S.Ct., it’d take, say, 18 years. And then we’d be executing a 90 year old who only had a few months to live anyway.
I’m fine with this. Spend the money, time and resources going after other scumbags.
rbj on May 14, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Oh well. At least it saves the taxpayers some cash.
kim roy on May 14, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Jeebus, AP. A little bit of a warning next time?
Holy F*ck.
nukemhill on May 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM
Swell. Nice that this POS was given the very consideration he deprived so many babies of the past 20 years.
BTW, how many other late-term abortionists are there across the country? When are they going to be arrested and brought up on charges?
Meople on May 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM
No kidding. I’m still having trouble with that headline that Ed put up about a crockpot.
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Yup. That’s how it works. This is where “privacy” has gotten us: gruesome murders that occur behind closed doors. Now that details of what’s involved are slowly starting to come out more, it’s generating a stir, from discomfort to outrage.
Stoic Patriot on May 14, 2013 at 5:35 PM
I don’t know, they seem a little too detached.
cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Irony, indeed.
May the prisoners serve him justice, slowly and painfully.
Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM
There’s one right down the street from you, I’m sure. One of the many myths of the dems is that this stuff is rare.
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM
I don’t want to watch the first video, for obvious reasons. And I don’t want to watch the second video for same, but I must watch it because I know the pro-baby killers won’t. No matter how awful the descriptions of barbarism I am about to expose myself to I must continue to remind myself of the facts that pro-baby killers willfully ignore.
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Irony.
Hypocrite.
portlandon on May 14, 2013 at 5:38 PM
From who? I see no outrage about Gosnell, except from people that already think killing babies is wrong. The most outrage I’ve seen from the baby killers is a lack of cleanliness of the facilities. As if hiring a proper maid service would make everything dandy with abortion.
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Doesn’t matter. That decrepit old husk hasn’t long to live. The kind of violence he wallowed in has stolen old age from him, and his short imprisonment will sap the rest of his energy. He’ll waste away in hell. My hope is that it doesn’t take long to clear away the remains.
MadisonConservative on May 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM
I’d advise against it. It’s not comfortable to see your fellow citizens as Nazis.
happytobehere on May 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Or as Iowahawk put it yesterday…
dont taze me bro on May 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM
“I got an angle…”
BigGator5 on May 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM
That’s not a bad thing to know what you are up against and what’s out there. I’d rather be pleasantly surprised than unprepared and disappointed.
kim roy on May 14, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Gosnell wasn’t the only one who got into trouble in Philly. Everyone else pled out. Perhaps they are getting ahead of the criminal charges by coming clean whether they are disgusted by these activities or not.
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM
HA! It only takes being convicted of 3 counts of first-degree murder to turn the most ardent pro-abort into a pro-lifer.
Resist We Much on May 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Indeed.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
Kraken on May 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM
But you know, privacy and stuff.
Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM
Comment of the Thread. Right out of the blocks.
Well done.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM
I hope not.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM
I hope not.
But we deserve it.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:50 PM
I don’t know.
The interview just seems a little too practiced, or coached.
I cannot describe what it is that has me thinking there is a problem with the second video. But, I have a problem with the second video.
cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM
I dunno, but it wouldn’t have been carried out and his appeals would have cost the state around $2 million.
Resist We Much on May 14, 2013 at 5:52 PM
Fight the good fight.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 5:53 PM
I just don’t know … this means the jury can pack up and go home ?
Sure hope so… they’ll likely need therapy after this one !
pambi on May 14, 2013 at 5:53 PM
There are a lot of people who would rather this case end instead of dragging on with endless appeals. What could they offer Gosnell to get him to go along? Protection. They can have him do easy time or hard time. He will be doing easy time.
Anon Y. Mous on May 14, 2013 at 5:53 PM
Wow! I just saw a statement from Day Gardner Pres. National Black Pro Life Union about Gosnell. Just wow! She is a great spokesman with a powerful message.
d1carter on May 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM
That’s Obama’s worst case scenario. Obama wants Baby killing abortionist Gosnell dropped down the memory hole, not some highly publicized dead man walking march to the death row chamber.
Gosnell getting the death needle is an acknowledgement that born alive abortions merit killing the baby killer, and abortion proponents don’t want that precedent set.
Cavalry on May 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM
Pic of the Day: The Last 11 Presidents In Uniform
Resist We Much on May 14, 2013 at 5:59 PM
winner on the first post
cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 6:01 PM
Thuja and the armpit will be along just as soon as they finish masturbating to the second video.
slickwillie2001 on May 14, 2013 at 6:02 PM
I couldn’t watch all of the second video. Horrific.
terryannonline on May 14, 2013 at 6:02 PM
He was smiling at today’s hearing. His lawyer said it was the “serenity” of knowing one’s fate.
I think the lawyer knows his clinet is just a sociopath. Who else would keep little feet in jars.
Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM
Best. comment. ever.
If “brevity is the soul of wit” sir/madam, you deserve a picture in the dictionary next to the definition of “wit,” I am suitably humbled, thank you.
Regardless if he’d received the death sentence or life w/o parole he would have still died in the custody of Pennsylvania’s Dept. of corrections.
If he’d received the death penalty he’d still be in the appeals process the last day of his life. There’s at least one person on Pennsylvania’s death row who still has outstanding appeals for a murder he committed in the 80′s!!
Unlike my home state where you can see the line of those on death row move, Pennsylvania would have warehoused him and allowed his appeals to continue for the rest of his life.
Now, he’ll end his days like Zacarias Moussaoui who yearned for the death penalty so he could grandstand in the appeals process for decades, now forgotten and deprived of a soap box.
Any bets on who’ll start the “Free Gosnell” movement?
Rot until your space opens up in Hell, Gosnell
E9RET on May 14, 2013 at 6:06 PM
So was I sir, so was I. ;-)
E9RET on May 14, 2013 at 6:07 PM
Evening news also said that Gosnell want to tell his “story” to the public at some time. One wonders how many in the MSM would want to do an apologetic for Gosnell.
Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 6:07 PM
hmm, another Troll free thread. I guess they don’t want to go on record defending their right to an abortion no matter what.
kirkill on May 14, 2013 at 6:09 PM
There was a story earlier about Gosnell objecting to the sheriff’s deputies calling him “Kermit.”
He said they should address him as “Dr. Gosnell.”
The sheriffs told him to stuff it because he was just another guy in shackles to them.
Wethal on May 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM
“Fetus” is an age?
LASue on May 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM
They should make sure his prison shoes have an extra-strong pair of shoelaces.
slickwillie2001 on May 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Just because we “time” our age by the time we are born, it is a human from the time of conception. Science should have taught you that…hmm, LA public education?
kirkill on May 14, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Bad RWM, bad
cozmo on May 14, 2013 at 6:18 PM
Gosnell probably figures that since the abortion crowd didn’t come to his assistance during the trial, he has no reason to believe he’ll be a ’cause celebre’ …. and I doubt the judge would let him out while his case is on appeal.
GarandFan on May 14, 2013 at 6:19 PM
How about seconds old since we establish age as stating at zero when born.
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Gosmell is just afraid to die. He knows what it is to kill and doesn’t want to suffer what he inflicted on others.
I hope they get to him in the big house but I guess that will be difficult.
Sicko!
Sherman1864 on May 14, 2013 at 6:30 PM
He won’t serve but 4 years and get pardoned by Obama when he grants 50,000 other pardons before he leaves office.
DanaSmiles on May 14, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Obama can’t pardon him. Gosnell outside of federal jurisdiction.
NotCoach on May 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM
And more evil is unearthed…
I really wish you would revisit your lack of faith, Allahpundit. And all the atheists, particularly those like Resist We Much, who I respect very much, and a few others who are not obnoxious anti-Christians. But even the obnoxious ones…
I’m quite convinced we are going to be seeing the Truth come down on this country, in fact the whole world, in a big way pretty soon and I really hope you recognize it for what it is, before it is too late. God will not let this affront to Him and His innocent creation stand much longer. I am certain we are seeing the Chastisement building before our very eyes, though it has been doing so for quite a few years. But the speed seems to be increasing at a frightening pace as seen in every headline on Drudge.
Catholic Prophecy
Look into Fatima. Pope Francis had his papacy consecrated to Our Lady of Fatima just yesterday for a reason. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI made St. Hildegard a Doctor of the Church for a reason, as well as beatifying Sr. Elena Aiello. They are telling us something.
Just read Romans 1. It is all right in that one page of Sacred Scripture. Everything in there is us, and “those who do such things are worthy of death, and not only they that do them, but they who consent to them that do them.” We will pay for allowing this horror. Not only have we allowed it to continue, we’ve been funding it!
I don’t know how well you pay attention to comments, but I’ve posted this a number of times, but in case you haven’t had opportunity to see/ignore before, please read the comparative study of the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo and then compare to the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, keeping in mind how old these relics are and that blood typing didn’t come into existence until less than 100 years ago. Christ was real; He died for you; and shed His precious type AB blood for you. He rose from the dead and will come again to judge… And God the Father is about to show us His wrath which comes first. Whether this is the final or minor chastisement, He is going to remove His protection in a big way. How could He not with this sort of horror so widespread?
Please believe in Him.
God have mercy.
pannw on May 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM
How about an unmentioned under the table agreement to NOT prosecute his wife?
Freddy on May 14, 2013 at 6:48 PM
didn’t watch the vid but i read the story on lifesitenews. holy s***!!! this guy really is just as bad as gosnell!! i am so glad these brave people are speaking out.
but what helps is that these are not anonymous sources. that looks better for credibility. i hope this story gets more exposure, like gosnell’s did. if americans see a second horror story after gosnell, maybe some of them will wake up and realize that gosnell isn’t a rare case.
Sachiko on May 14, 2013 at 6:57 PM
UM, did sumpin happen to this thread ?
pambi on May 14, 2013 at 7:01 PM
look at this!!!
on lifesitenews, one of the women who is in that video exposing the truth about gosnell #2, deborah edge, posted a comment!!
Sachiko on May 14, 2013 at 7:13 PM
I don’t really understands what she is trying to say. Is she still pro-abort? Has she repented, turned away from that awful life?
God will forgive, but for now:
She killed unborn, and born, babies.
May God have mercy on her soul.
davidk on May 14, 2013 at 7:23 PM
I was figuring it was pro-choice: life or death.
socalcon on May 14, 2013 at 7:30 PM
More words. Did sumpin happin to this thread, in what way? I wish to understand and cannot — and without understanding you, I can’t digest my macaroni salad properly.
Axe on May 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM
“especially vulnerable given their age”
Um, was that from Meghan McCain– who thought of things during her gestation?
socalcon on May 14, 2013 at 7:33 PM
Would love to help, but I am stymied trying to determine if I am an obnoxious athiest, anti-catholic or anti-christian.
Like 31 flavors: so many choices.
socalcon on May 14, 2013 at 7:35 PM
that is how I look at it …. if given the DP .. 15 years of appeal on the taxpayers dime …. Life w/o parole … even if he was allowed to appeal .. it is on his dime
life in prison … at least someone has a job .. making sure he stays inside.
I am good with it
conservative tarheel on May 14, 2013 at 7:36 PM
From what I understand, people like him won’t have a very nice time in prison.
Either in solitary and going crazy or in general population and dealing with convicts who have a special code regarding those that murder children.
It is nice to know that his remaining years will not be pleasant ones.
AND +2 on:
One of the best comments ever. I’m stealing it for Twitter ;)
ProfShadow on May 14, 2013 at 7:39 PM
he will spend a lot of time in Segregated Housing ….
no inmate contact
conservative tarheel on May 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM
You . . . only have one category there, if “obnoxious” implies the “anti” part . . . the remaining anti’s would be part and parcel. You needed another option: (unqualified, implying in context non-obnoxious) atheist. Then we could have looked close at the other two.
So, are you obnoxious, or what?
THIS THREAD IS MULTIPLYING QUESTIONS
Axe on May 14, 2013 at 7:44 PM
Please consider retweeting Sophie:
https://twitter.com/SophieRo3/status/334414795837149184
Axe on May 14, 2013 at 7:47 PM
How can anyone do this? I swear liberals have no regard for human life. I noticed several times these women would slip and call it a baby then correct themselves and say fetus. I pray every day for the end of abortion. I pray that those engaging in the abortion trade and those women having abortions beg for Gods forgiveness and stop. As to those involved in late term abortions I pray for their swift apprehension and the death penalty. May God have mercy on their souls but more importantly may God comfort those precious souls killed without ever having the chance to live.
neyney on May 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Well, well, well – look who just made the TOP of the Presidential Pardon list.
famous amos on May 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM
Just stencil “BABYKILLER” on his orange jumpsuit and let the inmates take care of him.
Doing the job that the system won’t do.
Manchuria begs to differ.
viking01 on May 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM
Detached is the only way you don’t go crazy at what you’ve seen and done in this case. They’re all conditioned to keep referring to ‘the fetus’. It’s a defense mechanism for these women as much as a way of hiding the truth (that it’s a baby) from the public. The one on the right kept slipping up though and calling it ‘the baby’.
I can understand why the talky one in the middle keeps seeing in her mind’s eye what she described about the baby’s toes spreading when it was killed. I’m not a weepy sort but that made me cry.
The Thin Man Returns on May 14, 2013 at 11:23 PM
It’s really very ironic that he gets life. The very thing he denied his patients.
Chris of Rights on May 15, 2013 at 9:11 AM
I think they should just snip his spine with a scissor.
BrunoMitchell on May 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM
This is, to quote Sheriff Joe Biden, a big f’ing deal. Normally I’d be p!ssed they took DP off the table, but now he’ll get DP’ed in a cell for the remainder of his days.
Hell, it wouldn’t even be capital punishment – we’ll call it a late, late, late, late-term post birth abortion. Whatever spin makes ya feel better.
I half-suspected he’d be set free into the open field, but the jury actually used a brain and convicted him on all the relevant charges. In Philly of all places. And there were many charges. The testimony and grand jury report was heinous.
This is SO very bad for the abortion industry, so, true to form, they are whining that this was caused by too much regulation. LOL. Actually, the feminists have it made – abortion is one health area that is woefully under-regulated, due to each regulation being legally challenged as “an undue burden” on a woman’s right to choose. Gov. Tom “Color-Code” Ridge of PA stated as much. And here’s the unintended consequence – instead of dying in back alleys, they die in unsanitary, unsupervised “protected, legal clinics”.
Planned (un)Parenthood also didn’t mention he went down for convictions on the deaths of three BABIES (they focused on the women, only), who had their spines snipped like a flower stem once out of the woman’s body, whereas it would have been legal while still in her body. No wonder Gosnell looked perplexed when he was convicted – he did that crap everyday with the feminists’, and the law’s, blessing. NOW they have a problem with it?
People only support abortion to the extent they do because they honestly don’t know what it involves, and what the law is around it. Sometimes in true medical necessity cases, and perhaps in rape cases, it could be considered justifiable homicide. But that means ya have to consider it a child and you have to justify that action (woman’s life v. baby’s life, etc.) – current law doesn’t, it classifies it as less than nothing, and let’s a woman do it for any reason up to viability. And at viability they still can, with some restriction. If people were informed, say, like, by a group that fills us in on news-worthy items, a “media” or “school”, their opinions would do a 180 real quick. Mine did when I really learned what it is and how it’s practiced/legally justified. And bear in mind, I’m no Bible-Thumper. And that’s why this story got ignored for most of it’s duration – “they” can’t have people informed, because people may then make decisions “they” don’t like.
Saltyron on May 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM