Rand Paul: Maybe it’s time to rethink the Supreme Court’s Lochner decision

posted at 7:41 pm on March 6, 2013 by Allahpundit

He said this early in today’s filibuster when he was riffing on subjects to keep things going. It seems to have gone mostly unnoticed but it’s a big deal, especially for an aspiring presidential candidate. Joel Pollak of Breitbart is one of the few bloggers I read to have recognized its significance. I’m tempted to say that in time it might prove more important than anything Paul’s said today about drones, but for now let’s just say that it’s worth paying attention to. Here’s Pollak:

During his old-fashioned, “talking filibuster” of John Brennan’s nomination as CIA Director, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) called for President Barack Obama “to re-think the Lochner case” en route to strengthening protections of individual rights against, among other things, drone strikes. Obama referred specifically to the Lochner case in 2012, when he tried to argue that the Supreme Court should not attempt to overturn Obamacare.

The Lochner v. New York case of 1905 is one of the most important decisions in the history of the Supreme Court, and has had a profound effect on legal and political thought for more than a century. The Court struck down a New York law limiting the working hours of bakery employees, on the grounds that freedom to contract, while not explicitly in the Constitution, was protected by the Fourteenth Amendment’s due process clause…

When the Court ultimately rejected the Lochner limits on state regulatory power in 1937–after intense pressure from the Roosevelt administration–the left celebrated. And the left-leaning legal academy has continued to teach the Lochner case as though it were a profound injustice, the result of a plutocratic Supreme Court doing what it could to protect rich corporate interest from state and federal government intervention to protect the workers.

Read his post in full, as there’s more to Lochner’s history but I can’t quote extensively due to fair use. He’s correct in saying that legal academia treats the decision as an historic abomination; only a very few cases, like Dred Scott and the Japanese internment rulings, are more derided and those dealt with gross oppression of minorities, not economic regulatory power. Lochner’s a curse word among liberals because the effect of the ruling is to cripple a state government’s ability to impose labor restrictions on businesses. The Court found that there was an unwritten constitutional right to “freedom of contract” implied in the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Because you have “freedom of contract,” a state can’t tell you or your employer that he/she has to pay you a minimum wage or limit the number of hours per day you work as a matter of law. You get to set your own terms. It’s the principle of laissez faire, constitutionalized. As Joel notes, the Court eventually reversed Lochner and jettisoned the idea of “freedom of contract” 75 years ago. (Oddly, the left’s contempt for unwritten constitutional rights implied by the Due Process Clause in Lochner didn’t prevent them from endorsing the same theory vis-a-vis the right to bodily privacy in Roe v. Wade.) Since the mid-50s, it’s been the utmost legal orthodoxy, including on the Supreme Court, that Lochner was wrongly decided, that there’s no such thing as “freedom of contract,” and that the states unquestionably have the power to regulate business. If you polled the GOP caucus in Congress, I’d be surprised if you got anywhere close to a majority of Republicans who disagree with that orthodoxy. If the case came before the Supremes today, I’d be surprised if anyone besides Thomas and maybe Scalia would vote to reinstitute Lochner, and even Scalia is a very likely no.

The only group on the political landscape that still consistently questions Lochner is libertarians. The fact that Paul would stand up there in the Senate and call for a rethink is as strong a signal as he can send to that group that he’s still very much one of them philosophically. And so you see now why this is significant: After months of inching towards the center to attract mainstream conservatives ahead of 2016, here he is re-embracing his roots on a core issue of constitutional law and state power where most of the political establishment, many conservatives included, are against him. If he were to win the GOP nomination, a scenario that seems more plausible every day, the Democrats will attack him on his Lochner support relentlessly to try to prove that he wants to get rid of child-labor laws, minimum-wage laws, and basically everything else in the galaxy of labor regulations that they tout as proof that they’re better for the middle- and working-class. Depending upon how much of a threat Paul poses in the primaries, it may even be something that a GOP rival uses against him. (Jindal’s probably the likeliest to do it. His camp and Paul’s camp are already sparring over Paul’s libertarianism and Jindal’s been straining since November to push the party towards a message that’s more overtly pro-middle class.) It’s bold of him to take this position today during the filibuster with the eyes of the political world upon him.


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Cruzzzzzzz!!!

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:02 PM

lol

Evening all

:)

CoffeeLover on May 2, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Allah, couldn’t you find a less schlumpy photo? :/

cynccook on May 2, 2013 at 10:07 PM

I don’t care what the twerp says; I am stealing her Senator. :)

melle1228 on May 2, 2013 at 10:08 PM

…Bmore!

KOOLAID2 on May 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

MKH tried to violate the “nothing after QOTD” rule. Didn’t work out it seems…

nobar on May 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

What exactly is Cruz doing affirmatively to aid the country, the conservative movement and the GOP? Yelling at people and voting no don’t qualify.

Well, Jen, yelling at people and voting yes, like Senator Insane from Arizona, most certainly doesn’t NOT count.

Run a hypothetical match-up between Cruz and the squish-of-your-choice with conservatives only and I’ll bet you whatever you want that you will get your ass handed to you in the same way you did with the others with whom you fell in love.

Anyhoo, when you are next at the White House, give President Romney my regards.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

You know who they fear…and it ain’t Rubio.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

All right. What about governors? What about Martinez?

Allah, couldn’t you find a less schlumpy photo? :/

cynccook on May 2, 2013 at 10:07 PM

AP scare quotes “normal” in the context of a man falling in love with a woman and wanting to marry her. Then, without opinions, he wouldn’t be a good writer. I suppose.

. . . maybe it was a point about immaturity . . .

I dunno. :)

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Hmmmm…..

Sen. Ted Cruz dismisses talk of presidential run.

By Gromer Jeffers Jr.
gjeffers@dallasnews.com
6:51 pm on May 2, 2013
***********************

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz said Thursday that he’s not thinking about running for the White House in 2016.

“My focus is entirely on the U.S. Senate,” Cruz said

before speaking at the silver anniversary of the Institute for Policy Innovation.

“Right now the U.S. Senate is the battlefield for preserving liberty.
(More..)
========

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/05/sen-ted-cruz-dismisses-talk-of-presidential-run.html/

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Cruz has done the exact opposite. He’s irritated every Democrat—some, like Dianne Feinstein, he’s irritated at a deep, personal, public level—and he’s swiftly made enemies of Republicans like Lindsey Graham, who hint that the guy has no strategy or tact (at least when it comes to what Graham wants).

Nothing wrong with that.

a capella on May 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

But the “birther” movement has been so discredited, it would be hard for Democrats to revive those arguments against Cruz

…the Politburo Press may have some say in that!…bombardment of television, radio, and printed materials…well…you know how their mantra works!

KOOLAID2 on May 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Would rather see him run for Perry’s job first.

can_con on May 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

MKH tried to violate the “nothing after QOTD” rule. Didn’t work out it seems…

nobar on May 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

O no! What was the thread? Another Food Truck Thread. :)

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Allah, couldn’t you find a less schlumpy photo? :/

cynccook on May 2, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Indeed! Cruz looks like a high school guidance counselor about to weep as his colleagues express their support for his having just telling them he is a homosexual.

Happy Nomad on May 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM

You know who they fear…and it ain’t Rubio.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

absolutely!!!

CoffeeLover on May 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Ted Cruz-Conservatism’s and America’s last hope.While others betray and cave,Cruz stands on principle.Rubio’s a traitorous panderer,Rand Paul’s moral relativism masks as libertarianism,Jeb Bush is-well,another Bush,and Chris Christie belongs in the other party.Cruz in 2016!

redware on May 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM

He hasn’t said anything that pisses me off yet. I like obstruction of bullsh!it. Smashing fienstien was golden. I smiled all day.

It’s simple. Defend the Constitution. I don’t care if the media calls obstructing the rape of the constitution, obstruction.

Obstruct more. Obstruct often.

Oath of office. Honor it. Even if you are only one of ten outta 535.

wolly4321 on May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

“Right now the U.S. Senate is the battlefield for preserving liberty.”

Maybe I am naive, but I believe that he really believes this. We need a fighter. He fights.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Paul is no less conservative than Cruz, but he is polite to a fault, soft spoken and gracious.

Wrong. Paul is a Libertarian, not a conservative. There is a difference.

RoadRunner on May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Cruz?

Too early to tell anything. Not to mention, I’m not sure I want another Senator – specifically one with not even a full term under their belt – in the Presidency.

Besides… Santorum’s going to think that the nomination mantle should be his according to history… McCain, Romney… Wasn’t Santorum second?

Logus on May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

O no! What was the thread? Another Food Truck Thread. :)

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

It was about the NJ piece by Kraushaar.

nobar on May 2, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Too establishment. Next.

Punchenko on May 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Cruz has done the exact opposite. He’s irritated every Democrat—some, like Dianne Feinstein, he’s irritated at a deep, personal, public level—and he’s swiftly made enemies of Republicans like Lindsey Graham, who hint that the guy has no strategy or tact (at least when it comes to what Graham wants). Republicans tell themselves that their next president need only get 51 senators ready to repeal Obamacare, then sign the repeal bill. Assuming Cruz could win, how well could he navigate the legislature?

This is not a bug – it’s a friggin’ feature.
Anybody who pisses off Diane Feinstein AND Lindsay Graham has my support. I want somebody who stands on principal; we’ve had enough go-along-get-along-don’t-make-waves candidates.

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

‘Toon of the Day: Never Again

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/05/toon-of-day-never-again.html

Hard, harsh, that one. I’m not arguing with it. It’s just a grimace.

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Logus on May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

I don’t want anyone with Northeastern connections or a spouse who works for Goldman Sachs.

Punchenko on May 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

As long as Cruz,….doesn’t pull a Rand Paul,me thinks…..
Jus say’n!
(sarc).

Sen. Rand Paul endorses former Gov. Mark Sanford for S.C. House seat
April 30, 2013, 12:05PM
***********************

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/apr/30/sen-rand-paul-endorses-former-gov-mark-sanford-sc-/

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Logus on May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Jeb has been waiting since 2005.

nobar on May 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Would rather see him run for Perry’s job first.

can_con on May 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Okay. I don’t disagree that broadened experience is important. But then, who is at the top of your list for 2016 at this very early date? Rubio went all Icarus on us. Paul is turning out to be just as looney as his dad on certain aspects of social issues. Want to run Romney again?

I’m a long way from backing anybody but Cruz continues to impress where others have not. Rubio is dead to me after he has lied his ass off for so long about what is in that immigration bill.

Happy Nomad on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

You know who they fear…and it ain’t Rubio.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Yes – you can tell by their unprecedented behavior:

It’s Sarah Palin!

williamg on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

‘Toon of the Day: Never Again

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/05/toon-of-day-never-again.html

Hard, harsh, that one. I’m not arguing with it. It’s just a grimace.

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

All that’s missing is some kind of grand lie, over the gate, like Arbeit Macht Frei

Brilliant work RWM!

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Indeed! Cruz looks like a high school guidance counselor about to weep as his colleagues express their support for his having just telling them he is a homosexual.

Happy Nomad on May 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM

LOL! You made me wake up the puppy!

cynccook on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Jeb has been waiting since 2005.

nobar on May 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Well I hope he brought plenty of change for the meter. Look, dude’s own Mommy doesn’t think he should run….

cynccook on May 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Jeb has been waiting since 2005.

nobar on May 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

For a bus that isn’t ever coming.

Happy Nomad on May 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Hard, harsh, that one. I’m not arguing with it. It’s just a grimace.

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

In this particular case, it should. Art should speak to us and political art should have a deep – even visceral – effect on us. Ramirez is brilliant in that way because not only can he impact you emotionally, he usually does it in a crisp, sharp dagger-like manner.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

It’s Sarah Palin!

williamg on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Way to go! I haven’t seen bluegill in weeks, and you pull a stunt like that!!! I guess I better call Rusty….;-)

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I like Ted Cruz, I do. I think he is one of the best guys who has been sent to the Senate in some time.

One of Palin’s shrewdest picks.

However, he should fire whomever decided to leak this 2016 garbage. He’s four months into the job. People in Texas are going to expect him to be a Texas Senator for awhile.

This speculation isn’t going to help him.

victor82 on May 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

MKH tried to violate the “nothing after QOTD” rule. Didn’t work out it seems…

nobar on May 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Looked like an interesting thread, too – I was trying to post when it crashed!

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

We lose the house or don’t gain the Senate, we wo’n't make it to 2016.

wolly4321 on May 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

All that’s missing is some kind of grand lie, over the gate, like Arbeit Macht Frei

Brilliant work RWM!

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I only wish that I could take credit for it. That is the work of a true national treasure, Michael Ramirez. He is absolutely astonishingly good.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

O/T: whose niece was it who was given the cochlear implants and she was being videotaped as she was able to hear for the first time? She is on a commercial now! I was so shocked, I didn’t see what was being advertised!

herm2416 on May 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

In this particular case, it should. Art should speak to us and political art should have a deep – even visceral – effect on us. Ramirez is brilliant in that way because not only can he impact you emotionally, he usually does it in a crisp, sharp dagger-like manner.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Tough subject that desperately needs to be addressed. Ramirez is genius. Good evening Sophie. Pleasure to see you.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Saying you’re only focusing on the work before you is the answer every politician gives when asked whether they’re running for president.

crrr6 on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Brilliant work RWM!

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Arbeit Macht Frei

For learners what still learning things. :)

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

‘Toon of the Day: Never Again

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Resist We Much:

Amen,on that.I watched a documentry the other day,on saving the
Jewish Children,from the trains,in WW2,Polands Warsaw Ghetto,
and the Polish men,and especially the women,in the Underground
resistance,who were able to smuggle them out,rename them,kept
a record,of the real families,and move them to the Catholic con
vents,and then the re-union,of the children,and those that saved
them afterwards,and the miracalus father/mother/child reunion,of
those that survived the Death Camps!!

Talk about tears,and in the case of Gosnell,the trains never stopped,
and there was no one to rescue them,a helleva good image caption—:)

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

I

t’s Sarah Palin!

williamg on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Way to go! I haven’t seen bluegill in weeks, and you pull a stunt like that!!! I guess I better call Rusty….;-)

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Yeah – now that you mention it – it’s kind of like a dinner bell in the Appalachiams!

williamg on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Anyhoo, when you are next at the White House, give President Romney my regards.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Girlfriend, you definitely are into the stiletto thing, apparel and fun.

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:29 PM

What exactly is Cruz doing affirmatively to aid the country, the conservative movement and the GOP? Yelling at people and voting no don’t qualify.

Well, Jen, yelling at people and voting yes, like Senator Insane from Arizona, most certainly doesn’t NOT count.

Run a hypothetical match-up between Cruz and the squish-of-your-choice with conservatives only and I’ll bet you whatever you want that you will get your ass handed to you in the same way you did with the others with whom you fell in love.

Anyhoo, when you are next at the White House, give President Romney my regards.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Bah. What a dumb woman. It’s only been a few months. What does she expect – rewriting the tax code???

How about standing up for the constitution through the 2nd amendment and keeping the trough pigs honest? That seems like a lot to me in a short period of time.

kim roy on May 2, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Love what he is doing to those over-inflated bags of wind in the senate. Apologize to those blowhards? Never. They are the ones who should apologize to the American public for allowing the US Constitution to be watered down. God protect and save Senator Cruz.

Panther on May 2, 2013 at 10:29 PM

I only wish that I could take credit for it. That is the work of a true national treasure, Michael Ramirez. He is absolutely astonishingly good.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

I meant this in the sense of keen eye, RWM, or good catch!

You post a lot of impactful stuff, and detail/support your positions well.

In an earlier HA age, you’d be a worthwhile green room contributor, and are valued here.

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

it’s kind of like a dinner bell in the Appalachiams!

williamg on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Speakin’ of which, the Gulch is about to turn 50. We have cake.

Fallon on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

LOVE me some Ted Cruz. Also like Gov. Martinez. Did anybody see that special on Fox about data-mining? I’m inclined to think it won’t matter who we run or what they stand for, since the Obama machine can just turn out more votes. After seeing that program, it made me thing that the whole GOP debate of whether to turn moderate or conservative might just be moot.

And haring that Karl Rove is on the team again…well, groan.

Jackalope on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

a helleva good image caption

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

I think it’s the image caption that’s making me grimace. :)

Evening Canada. Great to see you.

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

I’m off the Rubio bandwagon and with Cruz if he remains solid.

El_Terrible on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

For learners what still learning things. :)

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Thanks for the assist!

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Happy Nomad on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I prefer Jindal for the top job. I think Cruz definitely needs to get some state level executive experience first, or at least get some legislation under his belt.

can_con on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

You post a lot of impactful stuff, and detail/support your positions well.

In an earlier HA age, you’d be a worthwhile green room contributor, and are valued here.

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Absolutely. Soeaking of which, does anyone else miss the old Green Room? It was way better than the new one, IMO.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Arbeit Macht Frei

For learners what still learning things. :)

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Axe:

So true,I watched alot of the German atrocities that were filmed by US G.I’s,at an early age,er..I mean that that the Nazi’s filmed,and
the US Military found,as eveidence!

Maybe thats why I’m such a supporter of Israel:)

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

And haring that Karl Rove is on the team again…well, groan.

Jackalope on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Jackalopey, good to see you. Hope things are fine. As for Karl Rove, he still looks like a child molester. That is straight from mrs. ziffel. She’s too kind.

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Where’s nonP? There must be spaghettio’s all over the walls. Microwave accident.

wolly4321 on May 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM

What exactly is Cruz doing affirmatively to aid the country, the conservative movement and the GOP? Yelling at people and voting no don’t qualify.

You can almost see the author’s pouting bottom lip quivering as he typed it.

Buddahpundit on May 2, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Cruz has done the exact opposite. He’s irritated every Democrat—some, like Dianne Feinstein, he’s irritated at a deep, personal, public level—and he’s swiftly made enemies of Republicans like Lindsey Graham, who hint that the guy has no strategy or tact (at least when it comes to what Graham wants).

I admire Cruz more for hacking off Miss Lucy that Feinstein.

bw222 on May 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Absolutely. Soeaking of which, does anyone else miss the old Green Room? It was way better than the new one, IMO.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Yep, it definitely had more flavor, back when; I miss some of the guest posters, but things do change. I do like some of the “short and sweet” character of the new GR, but still think they could have mixed in some of the new style stuff with the old format.

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I admire Cruz more for hacking off Miss Lucy that Feinstein.

bw222 on May 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I could watch reruns of that for a while.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:39 PM

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

I’ve been waiting for you, Arnold. :)

Later we can have that sandwich together that you promised me. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:39 PM

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Saying you’re only focusing on the work before you is the answer every politician gives when asked whether they’re running for president.

crrr6 on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

crrr6:

Good point,just like Obama’s…..

..”We are Five Days away from Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America”!

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Where’s nonP? There must be spaghettio’s all over the walls. Microwave accident.

wolly4321 on May 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Mensa meeting.

RickB on May 2, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Where’s nonP? There must be spaghettio’s all over the walls. Microwave accident.

wolly4321 on May 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM

She/he/it took up skeet shooting, missed, destroying the law certs and blowing apart her/his/it’s “nobles”.

nobar on May 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Hello Darlin’ – Conway Twitty

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I just don’t get much out of it, and it is sparsely utilized. It has a feel to me that they wanted to get rid of the old feature and someone said “We can just put this there instead”. Like I said, just my opinion.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

RWM- Beck hit on the CA uegenics nazi thing today. Briefly.

wolly4321 on May 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

– Aside, for anyone that might trip over it and has OT time — Anyone else ever written a letter you can’t send, saying something you couldn’t say? — And what did you do with the letter?

So true,I watched alot of the German atrocities that were filmed by US G.I’s,at an early age,er..I mean that that the Nazi’s filmed,and
the US Military found,as eveidence!

Maybe thats why I’m such a supporter of Israel:)

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

:) lol “er” part.

I think I’m probably just a Jew lover. The people I’ve looked up to? Lots of Jews. The girl me boy married? Amazing. The people trying to kill me? Not Jews. Well, not observant Jews anyway. Etc. etc. :)

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:43 PM

It’s Only Make Believe – Conway Twitty

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Later we can have that sandwich together that you promised me. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:39 PM

And your “shadowy friends,” mind. :)

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Little Wing – SRV

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

I’ve been waiting for you, Arnold. :)

Later we can have that sandwich together that you promised me. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:39 PM

1 corned beef sammich with cabbage and mustard coming right up.
What would you like to drink? Sparkling water?

SparkPlug on May 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Yes.. I thought that was very generous of Arnold to include … *cough*.. my shadowy friends. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Hello Darlin’ – Conway Twitty

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

I’ll see your Conway and raise you George Jones – Bartender’s Blues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-bmdIvwOyM

(Heh, I thought James Taylor wrote it, lol.)

Fallon on May 2, 2013 at 10:48 PM

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Thank you!

Girlfriend, you definitely are into the stiletto thing, apparel and fun.

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:29 PM

lol. I’m actually writing a piece on Jen Rubin and her call to ‘forget Reagan, embrace moderation, and make peace with FDR.’ It’s called ‘Rubin’s Rump,’ which is what her advice would make the GOP. I’m going back to Wilson and coming through looking at the Rubins then and now. It’s not pretty.

kim roy on May 2, 2013 at 10:29 PM

She expects him to pay his dues and respect his elders. You know, like kiss Sen Insane’s ass…don’t know which one. I see one running on television or in video clips a lot. I wouldn’t kiss it and I certainly wouldn’t kiss his lower one.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Hey, yourself!

*waves*

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I just don’t get much out of it, and it is sparsely utilized. It has a feel to me that they wanted to get rid of the old feature and someone said “We can just put this there instead”. Like I said, just my opinion.

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Your whole demeanour’s changed. You probably don’t realize it. You are much more relaxed and confident. It’s kinda trippy. :)

/jt

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

SparkPlug on May 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Good evening, Spark. :) Actually, you wouldn’t happen to have a moon bean cress sandwich and a nice moon bean sparkling wine would you? :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

I’ve been waiting for you, Arnold. :)

Later we can have that sandwich together that you promised me. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Good deal, you are very special. Chicken w/mozzarella, roasted red peppers, red onions and vinaigerette or Pastrami w/swiss, mustard on a rye roll? You tell me, I’m your slave.

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

It’s Only Make Believe – Conway Twitty

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Hello lovely Moon goddess. Actually lovely can’t describe your beauty, but Sparky borrowed my thesaurus and hasn’t brought it back. Umm, Why Conway Twitty tonight?

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

I think it’s the image caption that’s making me grimace. :)

Evening Canada. Great to see you.

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Axe:

Agreed on the caption.Great to see you as well,I have been battling
a cold/chest infection since about April 12,and it drains ya,final-
ly went to the Emerge last night,in and out in less than an hour,and
the intaker/nurse,is from across the ditch,in Michigan,anywho she
commutes over the bridge daily,and stated,that both Hospitals are
about the same,in performance and quality,…found that interesting!

They gave me this,prescription,CO-Azithromycin,to clear out the
ick and yellowish gunk…yes(Too Much Info),…haha:)

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Hey, Bro. I forgot you had green eyes, too. I’m a day late and a dollar short on these threads, as usual…

Fallon on May 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Mensa meeting.

RickB on May 2, 2013 at 10:40 PM

lol

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Fallon on May 2, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Always love George Jones, Fallon. :) Excellent choice.

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:51 PM

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Anything you choose would be wonderful, Arnold. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Mr. Jones was laid to rest today.

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:52 PM

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

How Progressives Killed Robert Goldstein Through Censorship, Police State Tactics, Unconstitutional Laws, & Railroading All The Way Into A Cattlecar On The Road To A Nazi Concentration Camp

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Resist We Much:I promise,to give’em a look see,thanks:)

canopfor on May 2, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Toon of the Day: Never Again

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/05/toon-of-day-never-again.html

Wow, impact. Tear.

@Ken..yes..miss old greenroom.

Cruz..Good for now..but I take the wait and see approach.
I don’t do the Rubio!, Christie! Doc! deal. Fresh still..but me likes so far.

bazil9 on May 2, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Really? I hadn’t thought about it. It is kinda funny how you can “feel” people here after a while. Shouldn’t put it that way. Here comes Sparky…

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:54 PM

KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Good evening, Ken. :) Wonderful to see you. Why not Conway Twitty? I’m on vacation, you know. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:54 PM

You know who they fear…and it ain’t Rubio.
KCB on May 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Yes – you can tell by their unprecedented behavior:
It’s Sarah Palin!
williamg on May 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Ugh, no. Palin is a bigger joke than Trump. Please, the less heard from Palin, the better.

bluegill on May 2, 2013 at 10:54 PM

massrighty on May 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

A sight for sore eyes. :)

bazil9 on May 2, 2013 at 10:55 PM

‘We need to stand for freedom.’ Well, great, but what the —— does that mean?”

So you don’t know what “freedom” means but you knew what “hope and change” meant, right ?

burrata on May 2, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Great job with the chum bag william

bazil9 on May 2, 2013 at 10:55 PM

arnold ziffel on May 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 10:39 PM

SparkPlug on May 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Don’t fall for that Sparkling water thing. It’s not what you think.

Axe on May 2, 2013 at 10:56 PM

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