Breaking: Rand Paul launches talking filibuster on Brennan confirmation; Update: Mike Lee too? Update: Rubio chimes in on Twitter; Update: Cruz joins in; Update: Democrat Ron Wyden joins too; Update: Rubio speaks

posted at 1:01 pm on March 6, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Consider this Rand Paul’s Mr. Smith Goes To Washington moment, and an answer of sorts to filibuster reform.  Paul has vowed to continue his speech until Barack Obama himself declares that he has no authority to launch a drone strike on an American citizen on American soil.  Paul accused Obama and Democrats on Capitol Hill for hypocrisy as well, pointing out that they were ready to accuse George Bush of making himself king and wiping his feet on the Constitution.  Where are their voices now, Paul wonders:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has launched a talking filibuster against the nomination of John Brennan to be director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

“I’m here to filibuster John Brennan’s nomination to be director of CIA,” Paul said on the Senate floor Wednesday. “I will speak for as long as it takes.

“I will speak today until the president says, ‘no’ he will not kill you at a café.”

Paul has said he wants more answers from the administration on whether American citizens can be targeted by armed drones inside the United States before he’ll lift his filibuster on Brennan’s nomination. …

“Has America the beautiful become ‘Alice in Wonderland’?” Paul said. “When I asked the president can you kill an American on American soil, it should have been an easy answer — an unequivocal no.

“But his answer was, ‘I haven’t killed anyone yet and I have no intention of killing Americans, but I might.’”

Paul spent a considerable amount of time on the Posse Comitatus Act, pointing out that the government is barred from using military force on American soil unless war or an insurrection is declared.  The point, Paul says, is that military and police power are separated from judicial power for a reason, and the reason is due process.  Without that separation, the executive will be transformed into a tyrannical power, regardless of whether the executive chooses to exercise that power or not.  The answer from Eric Holder that “we probably won’t exercise that power” doesn’t address the issue.

Tangentially, this is also interesting in the context of filibuster reform.  The presumption of both sides was that no one was really interested in talking filibusters any longer.  Obviously, that’s not the case, and this one might be lengthier than others.  Rand Paul is much younger than an average Senator, having just turned 50, and he’s in good shape.  Presumably, his stamina won’t come into question for at least several hours, so we may get a very large helping of Paul’s views on everything from the topic at hand to the need for the Washington Redskins to give RGIII more protection on the O-line.

While I’m updating this, Paul just asked whether this power would have been so acceptable to Democrats 40 years ago.  What if, Paul wondered, someone had dropped a Hellfire missile on Jane Fonda or college students at the time who were raising money for the Viet Cong? Would the same Democrats who are sitting on the sidelines now have protested such tactics at the time? After all, raising money for the enemy is arguably treason, and Paul said he’d have called it that — but those students would have deserved to get their day in court.

Somehow, I doubt that Obama will respond, but perhaps Jay Carney will need to issue a clarification in the next few hours for Reid to get his chamber back.  I doubt that Republicans will step in to help stop Paul’s filibuster, as long as he’s talking.

Update (AP): And then there were two.

Update (AP): Rubio’s late to the party, but the more buzz his prospective 2016 rival gets for this filibuster, the greater the pressure on him to speak up too. Just across on Twitter:

Update (Ed): Ted Cruz has just joined in to ask questions of Paul, in what looks like a pretty smart strategy.  Paul has specifically stated that he will take questions without relinquishing control of the floor, and both Cruz and Lee are asking oddly lengthy questions.  In other words, they’re providing Paul with short opportunities to rest his voice, and to add more ammunition to his rhetorical magazine.  Puns very much intended, by the way.

Update (AP): This thing just turned bipartisan:

Last week, Eli Lake dubbed Paul and Wyden the odd couple on drones.

Update (AP): Annnnd at 4:19 ET, Rubio finally speaks.

Update (AP): “Let me give you some advice — keep some water nearby.”


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Ha, Ed, I just nudged HA to cover this, on the Powers thread.

YOU are goooood!!!

Thank you. Listening for a time and it’s great.

This is an incredible moment in the US.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Rand Paul 2016.

Longing4Lincoln on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Good luck Paul! I hope your voice and body holds out to get a tiny bit of result? I doubt it will, but thanks for trying.
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letget on March 6, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Well, Rand has actually done more for classical liberty in 2 years than his father did in 10x the time. That being said, I reserve judgement on him about his position on Israel.

ebrown2 on March 6, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Heh “no drone was dropped on Jane Fonda in Nam”.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Brennan is the drone button pusher, from the basement of the WH.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

That was shamefully disgusting.

ebrown2 on March 6, 2013 at 1:05 PM

In any event Good Luck Sen. Paul on the filibuster

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Hagel had nothing to do with Holder’s response regarding the military killing American citizens, without due process, on American soil.

a capella on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

God Bless Rand Paul!

Can another Republican Senator take over for him? He certainly can’t continue all day. I have C-span on my TV.

Where are the other Defenders of Liberty?

bluefox on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Cool beans!

Cindy Munford on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Holder and his boss are criminals for this.

Federal gun running.

Federal Americans-killing without due process.

Napolitano and her boss are criminals. They released 2000, and threaten to release 3000 more criminal illegal aliens.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I can give the dude a break on one issue. Let’s not fall into immediate disillusionment like the RINO contingent often accuses us of over one relatively minor error. If his voting record starts to look like Paul Ryan’s, then it’ll be a different story.

Doomberg on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Taking the word of any politician, imagine…especially the word of Obama.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Rand Paul grandstands for hours… Fun TV however.

Illinidiva on March 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

That was shamefully disgusting.

ebrown2 on March 6, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Yeah…

Nobody’s perfect but the inconsistency was to use a favorite media meme….unexpected

Sen. Paul’s explanation for his vote was pretty lame too.

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Well done, Senator Paul, and thank you.

alchemist19 on March 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Doomberg on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Besides, Hagel’s installment could be a very glaring error on Obama’s part. I hope I am wrong but it’s hard to believe that anyone who appears that stupid is going to cover himself with glory.

Cindy Munford on March 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

HERO.

portlandon on March 6, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I like Rand.

beatcanvas on March 6, 2013 at 1:10 PM

The answer from Eric Holder that “we probably won’t exercise that power” doesn’t address the issue.

Stalin probably didn’t exercise a lot of the power he had all the time.
Why do so when the populace fears you & you have ultimate power? How exhausting!
It’s so much easier to exercise your tyrannical powers when there’s a point to make or an enemy to rid yourself of.

That was shamefully disgusting.

ebrown2 on March 6, 2013 at 1:05 PM

What was the reasoning? I confess IDK.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

True, but we’re not going to find perfection on this Earth. He’s done more speaking out than anyone else.

What I find refreshing about Rand Paul is that he’s always speaking about Americans and the issues facing this Country. I haven’t seen any back room deals regarding him.

bluefox on March 6, 2013 at 1:10 PM

The due process clause prohibits the summary execution of anyone, not just citizens, on American soil. RP shouldn’t imply there’s an exception for aliens.

Seth Halpern on March 6, 2013 at 1:11 PM

I respect this kind of activity. If you are going to do something, do it yourself, do it in plain sight, and do it as originally intended.

astonerii on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Just give Obama what he wants and be done with all the drama. the Pubs will give in, in the end anyway.

On to the next ‘crisis’, will ya?

Liam on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Hagel had nothing to do with Holder’s response regarding the military killing American citizens, without due process, on American soil.

a capella on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

True.

I was commenting on consistency.

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

I can give the dude a break on one issue. Let’s not fall into immediate disillusionment like the RINO contingent often accuses us of over one relatively minor error. If his voting record starts to look like Paul Ryan’s, then it’ll be a different story.

Doomberg on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I guess we’ll see what happens.

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Time to start typing:

“Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.”

Fallon on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

“But his answer was, ‘I haven’t killed anyone yet and I have no intention of killing Americans, but I might.’”

Imagine, Obama as judge, jury and excecutioner.

Last Friday, during his presser “I’m not dictator (yet)” — Obama

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Yes, this is a shameless plug, but, G-T Dammit,a Mr. Smith is what we need. Unfortunately, Mr. Smith Is EXTINCT!

james hooker on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

The answer from Eric Holder that “we probably won’t exercise that power” doesn’t address the issue.

Holder and Obama are criminals. It’s not a matter of trust, it’s a matter of the law and the constitution.

Imagine, Obama is a ‘constitutional scholar’.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Besides, Hagel’s installment could be a very glaring error on Obama’s part. I hope I am wrong but it’s hard to believe that anyone who appears that stupid is going to cover himself with glory.

Cindy Munford on March 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I’m sure Hagel won’t be taking any action on his own. He’ll be taking orders and as you said, maybe he’ll even mess them up and do something right, LOL

bluefox on March 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM

“Has America the beautiful become ‘Alice in Wonderland’?”

no, it’s more like Dante’s Inferno. I’m liking Rand more and more each day.

RedInMD on March 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM

This is why I like Rand Paul. Even if you disagree with him on some things he is at least useful unlike some of other republicans. Rand Paul is the kind of guy that can go on for a long time.

William Eaton on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

bluefox on March 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Sometimes I wonder if the career civil servants don’t do the lion share of governing anyway.

Cindy Munford on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Time to start typing:

“Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.”

Fallon on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Just fired off an email to my senator, telling him to back up Sen. Paul.

CurtZHP on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

True, but we’re not going to find perfection on this Earth. He’s done more speaking out than anyone else.

What I find refreshing about Rand Paul is that he’s always speaking about Americans and the issues facing this Country. I haven’t seen any back room deals regarding him.

bluefox on March 6, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Well tell that to the RINO screaming crowd.
Bcs they certainly expect Jesus to come from the heavens or something.
Reagan did a lot of $hit I don’t agree with, too. Expansion of farm programs anyone?
That was shamefully disgusting as well.
But he also did a lot of good things.
Here we have people accusing Rand of grandstanding as the reason for doing this today.
People all did the same thing to Palin.
Seriously, WTF really wants to step forward & lead anymore when you’re torn to shreds by people you’re supposed to be working with?
No wonder there’s a dearth of leadership in this damned country.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Go Paul!

give him the Bible, he can start reading that!

cmsinaz on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

“Certain things rise above partisanship”.

Every leftist, alas, s/b against this Holder/Obama tyranny.

They are Never liberal/progressive, never.

Heh “Obama…extension of GWB’s imperial presidency”.

Heh “Obama elected in opposition of GWB”.

May hypocrisy consume all the holders.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Go Paul!

give him the Bible, he can start reading that!

cmsinaz on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Give him the 0bamacare bill. It’ll last longer.

CurtZHP on March 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Meanwhile there’s a drone hanging out above the Capital waiting for Rand to step out into the open…

nextgen_repub on March 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Talk about going over the media and over Obama, with a steely steady train.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM

What if, Paul wondered, someone had dropped a Hellfire missile on Jane Fonda or college students at the time who were raising money for the Viet Cong?

Be still my beating heart.
Shame on Rand Paul – he’s just trying to give some of us a “thrill up our leg.”

katiejane on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Go Paul!

give him the Bible, he can start reading that!

cmsinaz on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Nice! I said on the other thread, Rubio should hand him a case full of water bottles.

MontanaMmmm on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

That was done to appease the nutty anti-jew followers of his dad, and keep them thinking he hates jews as much as his kooky dad Ron, because he wants their vote, and when he runs in 2016, (and he will), he wants to have his fathers “followers” doing the straw poll rigging, online poll manipulation, etc.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

I love that Rand is doing this. Hopefully the true filibuster remains in the Rs tool belt.

Too bad about Hagel but I’ll support Rand if he “evolves” away from Bush/Rubio’s immediate legalization of illegals.

Who else is on the hill trying to stop this regime?

BoxHead1 on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

wolfie and tingles will be going ballistic…

lol

cmsinaz on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Give him the 0bamacare bill. It’ll last longer.

CurtZHP on March 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Give him all the IG findings of criminal waste in gov’t agencies. It’ll solve the sequester in a few hours.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Yep, it was a ‘smooch’ to the RonPaulites.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Well, Rand has actually done more for classical liberty in 2 years than his father did in 10x the time. That being said, I reserve judgement on him about his position on Israel.

ebrown2 on March 6, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Yes because no one should ever question the US governments tactic of taking (ie redistribution of wealth) the hard earned dollars from American taxpayers and then giving it to foreign governments – such as Israel – in the form of foreign welfare.

All government mandated welfare – regardless of the recipient – is nothing but redistribution of wealth. This is another example of where so called “conservatives” love them some big powerful government and handouts.

MoreLiberty on March 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Hah, that this diverts from the sequester hysteria, yet keeps Obama on the defensive, is a beauty.

ACLU, where do you stand, you fools?

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

CurtZHP on March 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM

heh

MontanaMmmm on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

yepper, can someone hand him that while he’s talking?

cmsinaz on March 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

The due process clause prohibits the summary execution of anyone, not just citizens, on American soil. RP shouldn’t imply there’s an exception for aliens.

Seth Halpern on March 6, 2013 at 1:11 PM

The governments to which aliens belong are, in theory, supposed to look after their interests while on American soil.

My fellow citizens can count on me watching their back against summary executions, by anyone, including my government.

JohnGalt23 on March 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Vote Rand out when he comes up for re-election, just like all professional politicians and incumbents.

Christien on March 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM

What are the rules at the end of the day? Does he get to sleep and then still uave the floor in the morning? Heck, bring me bottled water and stick a catheter in me and I could go on indefinitely.

Fenris on March 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Maybe he will start talking about Fast and Furious!

herm2416 on March 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Where are the trolls?

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Hellfires didn’t exist back when Jane was doing the skulldini on every dude wearing a Mao jacket, they did have Daisy Cutters though, and what a mess one of those would have made of the Berkeley quad.

Bishop on March 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Nice! I said on the other thread, Rubio should hand him a case full of water bottles.

MontanaMmmm on March 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Except for the fact that old Rubio is probably laying next to Rove and Coulter having a cigarette.

MoreLiberty on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

This is why I like Rand Paul. Even if you disagree with him on some things he is at least useful unlike some of other republicans. Rand Paul is the kind of guy that can go on for a long time.

William Eaton on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

OH give it time. The doom & gloom crowd will help Palinize & Romney-ize him in the media one of these days.
“He’s grandstanding!” “He’s campaigning already!” blah blah blah.
They excoriated Romney they’ll do the same to this guy.

True.

I was commenting on consistency.

Yet Sen. Paul voted to confirm Hagel…

I can give the dude a break on one issue. Let’s not fall into immediate disillusionment like the RINO contingent often accuses us of over one relatively minor error. If his voting record starts to look like Paul Ryan’s, then it’ll be a different story.

Doomberg on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I guess we’ll see what happens.

workingclass artist on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Honestly, if Reagan were running for the 1st time in today’s environment, he’d never win. Bcs he wasn’t perfect on everything & he’d be called a RINO, unelectable, etc.
I voted for Romney bcs I know is a good man. Who loves America.
Bush is the same thing in that sense. And even tho Bush did a lot of things I didn’t agree with & outraged me even, he was certainly a hell of a lot better as POTUS than Gore or Kerry would have been.
But no, we continue to search for PERFECT!
When in reality what it takes to turn things around is a good guy being prompted & reminded by the people he is governing to do his job in a certain way.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I don’t think any president should have the power to order the execution of American citizens on our soil. With that said, it seems a lot of Republicans were screaming the “9/11″ in letting Bush expand wiretapping, etc.

And I say the same about all the whining I hear from my fellow conservatives about groping by TSA. If Bush was President 80% of you with volunteer to get in line to be groped first, in the name of “War On Terror”

So to the principled ones among us, this is the reason Romney lost. Romney had ZERO core principals, and he was our standard bearer, in the name of “elect-ability.”

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

What if, Paul wondered, someone had dropped a Hellfire missile on Jane Fonda or college students at the time who were raising money for the Viet Cong? Would the same Democrats who are sitting on the sidelines now have protested such tactics at the time?

Sure they would. Think about it. John “F’g” Kerry is now Sec. State.

But as we know the leftists only care about their own. They can only win by eliminating opposition – not by winning the argument. They have no ideas – simply and solely a lust for power.

Let’s cut the crap. Rand Paul knows as do we all who the targets will be if the government is allowed to attack US citizens.

Cody1991 on March 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Where are the trolls?

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM

They’re here screaming RINO.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM

You all know that nothing is going to come out of this.. Correct? However, it still is fun theater.

Illinidiva on March 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

What kind of Southerner only sticks up for his own but refuses to stick up for his guests’ safety?

A poorly raised one, IMO.

Christien on March 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM

I voted for Romney bcs I know is a good man. Who loves America.
Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

LOL…this is the same nonsense Obama supporters use when asked why they voted for Obama. The reality is, Rombama is/was just another big government goon. You can try and compare him to reagan but you know and I know you are only looking foolish.

MoreLiberty on March 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Only stupid people believe the US is a democracy.

She’s a constitutional republic.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

“if you can keep it”

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Honestly, if Reagan were running for the 1st time in today’s environment, he’d never win. Bcs he wasn’t perfect on everything & he’d be called a RINO, unelectable, etc.
I voted for Romney bcs I know is a good man. Who loves America.
Bush is the same thing in that sense. And even tho Bush did a lot of things I didn’t agree with & outraged me even, he was certainly a hell of a lot better as POTUS than Gore or Kerry would have been.
But no, we continue to search for PERFECT!
When in reality what it takes to turn things around is a good guy being prompted & reminded by the people he is governing to do his job in a certain way.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Reagan had CLEAR principals, he stood for everything he said.

I voted for Romney bcs I know is a good man. Who loves America.

Haha typical RINO comment. Forget that Romney had ZERO core principals, all the mattered was he was a good man who loved America. crazy.

If our standards for nominating a president is that, the GOP is already dead.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

With all his flaws, RP has a set. Mitt didn’t.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

There’s something about an Aqua-Buddha Man.

/

Christien on March 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Paul now talking about Democrats for Jim Crow.

steebo77 on March 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Another great elected, Ted Cruz, got holder to say that killing American’s without due process is unconstitutional? Thank you Ted!

http://nation.foxnews.com/ted-cruz/2013/03/06/ted-cruz-gets-holder-admit-killing-americans-drones-us-soil-unconstitutional
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letget on March 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Time to start typing:

“Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.”

Fallon on March 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Just fired off an email to my senator, telling him to back up Sen. Paul.

CurtZHP on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Great idea, thanks!! I can fax pretty fast too.

bluefox on March 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I’m all for this activity. The problem I have
is WHERE ARE THE OTHER FECKLESS WEASELS TO BACK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on March 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Romney had ZERO core principals, and he was our standard bearer, in the name of “elect-ability.”

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

So Romney was a guy that would enjoy the power to kill American citizens? He’d be a guy that would actually try to wield that power?
And Rand Paul, he’s just a Jew hater, eh? That’s why he confirmed Hagel.
Sure.
You know, IDK why he confirmed Hagel. I have no clue.
But can you consider for a fracking moment that having Romney as POTUS, Rand, etc. would actually be better than people like Obama?
Does that occur to you?
Or are such a purist that frack America, let her crash & burn completely?
You know I have flirted with that last option myself.
But truly inside I know that I could work with a guy like Bush or Romney or Rand Paul or ever for God’s sake Ron Paul.
All of these guys, & others, like Palin, West, Rubio, Jindal, etc. are better to have in charge than people like OBama.
You’re never going to get the perfect candidate that you want. It is never going to happen.
So instead of being part of the problem, perhaps we should take some of these people & try making them work for us.
We do not have to agree with every damned thing they say or do.
But I kind of think most of these types actually believe in the individual & not the collective.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Holder and his boss are criminals for this.

Federal gun running.

Federal Americans-killing without due process.

Napolitano and her boss are criminals. They released 2000, and threaten to release 3000 more criminal illegal aliens.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Not just gun running, but out and out treason! (Unless you think drug cartels are not enemies of our country.)

US Constitution, Article III Section 3 Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

dominigan on March 6, 2013 at 1:30 PM

steebo77 on March 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

excellent, something you won’t hear on the lsm

cmsinaz on March 6, 2013 at 1:30 PM

…..and this facebook post from the other testicle of the gop, 20 minutes ago.

Senator Ted Cruz

In my view, Obamacare should be fully repealed, and I have introduced legislation to do so.

At a minimum, however, it should not be implemented at time when our economy is struggling so mightily, at a time when its implementation could push us into a full recession.

Therefore, when the Senate votes on the Continuing Resolution, I intend to offer a “Restore Growth First” amendment which will delay funding of Obamacare. I believe we should continue to delay such funding at least until economic growth returns to historic averages, and I intend to object to consideration of any Continuing Resolution that does not include a vote to delay funding of Obamacare.

Read the full statement on my Continuing Resolution amendment to defund Obamacare here: http://1.usa.gov/10fM6fI

Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are the ONLY TWO SENATORS in the gop that I have even a shred of confidence any more.

PappyD61 on March 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Let’s cut the crap. Rand Paul knows as do we all who the targets will be if the government is allowed to attack US citizens.

Cody1991 on March 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Yep. Just have to be designated a terrorist by someone in authority with an agenda,….. BOOM! Easy peasy. OTOH, it may be an effective way of dealing with the Chicago gangbangers. Rahm may have m0re than a little interest.

a capella on March 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

+1

The whiners from the R side are insipid.

Yes, Romney loves his land and Obama wants to destroy her. That’s a big diff. It’s why I voted for Romney. Other than that his pick in the primaries was devastating. I never knew why I should vote for him, not only against Obama.

His team was disgustingly inept and so was he. They fought their R opponents harder in the primaries than they did Obama later. After the first debate Romney could have had it in his palm and he let the Oaf in Chief get away, in a disastrous economic and foreign environment, alas. To even rehash it is too painful and disgusting.

When did Romney do what Rand Paul is doing now?

When could he speak like this?

Never.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:32 PM

In fact, the whiners from the right are more insipid than those from the left. The latter know what they fight for. They are enabled by the sissies in the Congress, most of the time. It’s why I condemn the Rs in DC more than the stupid Ds. The latter are enabled by the former, who forget how much power they are given by the constitution. They have equal power to Obama and power of the purse, alas.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM

America is being enlightened today, if only she’d listen.

Heh, the media are.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Just fired off an email to my senator, telling him to back up Sen. Paul.

CurtZHP on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I did too, then Senator Franken emailed back and told me to go f**k myself.

Bishop on March 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Reagan had CLEAR principals, he stood for everything he said.

I voted for Romney bcs I know is a good man. Who loves America.

Haha typical RINO comment. Forget that Romney had ZERO core principals, all the mattered was he was a good man who loved America. crazy.

If our standards for nominating a president is that, the GOP is already dead.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

I’m no fracking RINO you twit.
As for Reagan, he expanded the farm programs. HE CAVED. And they are a fracking disaster.
Romney has core principles as a man. To me, it was enough considering he was the only nominee that moved forward.
The time to start fighting against your own is primaries & such.
You’re making this too easy for me bcs Reagan was not a God. He did things wrong.
The farm programs stick out as one shining example in my mind bcs I personally know the family that benefited financially & how off of them. Bcs their daddy was appointed by Reagan to start the sham off.
And boy did he profit from them handsomely.
Reagan did have principles & sometimes he caved.
I never said Romney was perfect.
Here’s some bait.
I liked Palin as a choice better.
Tell me how I’m a RINO bcs I prefer her.
OR ALlen West.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Talk about going over the media and over Obama, with a steely steady train.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Good way to by pass the “The Gentleman’s time is up”, LOL

Also, a great history lesson from Paul! WOW, he’s hitting on all cylinders! History and Logic isn’t received well by the left, not to mention defending the Constitution!!

I shut Rush off about an hour & a 1/2 ago:-)

bluefox on March 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

“The constitution limits powers, but not rights”

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

This has to be fake, right? No way anybody can talk for this long without a teleprompter.

:)

Good Solid B-Plus on March 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

He’s actually giving an interesting discussion on Lochner, due process, Jim Crow, our rights and the Constitution.

blue13326 on March 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

The reason we ended up with Obama and a house and senate Dem super majority is because of BUSH and his “compassionate conservatism” bs.

Which gave us Obamacare, bigger deficits, bailouts.

Yes Bush and his father are the reason the GOP is about to go the way of the whigs.

Bush hid behind the GOP label to push his big government compassionate conservative s.hit down all our throats. (Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, bailouts, more bailouts, big spending)

Yeah much good he did us.

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Just called my senator to request his support for Rand Paul and his opposition to Brennan. I’m afraid he is sitting on the fence. Make those phone calls, folks.

indypat on March 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Here’s some bait.
I liked Palin as a choice better.
Tell me how I’m a RINO bcs I prefer her.
OR ALlen West.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

That’s just fine. We have/had our preferences.

Just quit whining or blaming us.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM

I don’t think any president should have the power to order the execution of American citizens on our soil. With that said, it seems a lot of Republicans were screaming the “9/11″ in letting Bush expand wiretapping, etc.

Not of American citizens.

And I say the same about all the whining I hear from my fellow conservatives about groping by TSA. If Bush was President 80% of you with volunteer to get in line to be groped first, in the name of “War On Terror”

Baloney. I, and I believe most of us, have opposed federalization of airport security from its inception. It was Daschle who said that you can’t professionalize unless you federalize. Not the right.

So to the principled ones among us, this is the reason Romney lost. Romney had ZERO core principals, and he was our standard bearer, in the name of “elect-ability.”

Raquel Pinkbullet on March 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I wouldn’t say that Romney lost because he had zero core principles. I think his core principles were that government is the answer – he was a statist at his core. But, he tried to pretend that he was a conservative (sort of – his bigger argument for our vote was that he’d be a better statist steward than Obama), so what he was trying to sell didn’t match his rhetoric and his record. Thus, he appeared unprincipled.

besser tot als rot on March 6, 2013 at 1:38 PM

You all know that nothing is going to come out of this.. Correct? However, it still is fun theater.

Illinidiva on March 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

I say it is about time the GOP learned some theater. Theater does matter.

William Eaton on March 6, 2013 at 1:39 PM

…for Reid to get his chamber back.

Why does he need it back? He ain’t doing anything with it and hasn’t for over three years.

Odysseus on March 6, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Without that separation, the executive will be transformed into a tyrannical power, regardless of whether the executive chooses to exercise that power or not. The answer from Eric Holder that “we probably won’t exercise that power” doesn’t address the issue.

I remember when I/we were scoffed at by AP with our concern about Obama’s “National Defense Resources Preparedness” executive order. The EOs, the drones, and the government’s ammo/tank stockpile, who’s scoffing now AP?
…..and quit laughing at my tin foil hat!

tencole on March 6, 2013 at 1:39 PM

The whiners from the R side are insipid.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Screw you.
Which is a shame bcs I do enjoy your points of view immensely.
I am not a fracking Romney lover nor his apologist.
I am no establishment GOP b!tch.
Anyone here who really knows me knows that.
You are insipid for trying to marginalize me for pointing out the alternatives are nonexistent & that in the end, Romney & others like him are far better alternatives than someone like Obama.
I’m in the camp that at some point I’ll cave to reality.
With Romney we had some small chance in steering America back to the Republic she is supposed to be.
But you tell me that that is being a whining Romney fan.
WTF ever.
If I had my wish, the only person who has existed that I know of so far who could steer us back is Thomas Jefferson, Madison,(not Hamilton), etc.
Otherwise, there is no one who could really do that.
But keep insulting the f^ck out of me bcs that somehow makes you feel better.
I’d vote for ROn Paul too over Obama if I had to.
So insult me some more for that too while you’re at it.

Badger40 on March 6, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Brennan is avoidable bad news for the US. Keep up the pressure to lose this guy. Bad vibes.

Blue Buddha!!!!

Bmore on March 6, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Just fired off an email to my senator, telling him to back up Sen. Paul.

CurtZHP on March 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I did too, then Senator Franken emailed back and told me to go f**k myself.

Bishop on March 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Yeah, guys with degrees from Haaaaavaaahd can talk like that
to you Peasants…next time just address him as
Senator Trunk Release.

I emailed my Senator Bob Casey Jr. a while back and told him
I wanted compensated for the F*ucking manneqin he placed
in DC to represent himself.

ToddPA on March 6, 2013 at 1:40 PM

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