Jeb Bush: Actually, I could support a path to citizenship in theory

posted at 10:41 am on March 5, 2013 by Allahpundit

WaPo’s selling this as a semi-reversal of yesterday’s full reversal on citizenship for illegals, but I’m not sure that’s true. Watch the clip below (via Think Progress). He’s not saying that he’s suddenly changed his mind and now prefers citizenship to permanent residency. He’s saying that, hypothetically, if you could grant citizenship without creating a huge incentive for more people to cross the border, he’d be okay with that. Since there’s no way to do that, though, he’s sticking with the permanent residency option.

But wait. Here’s what he said yesterday on the subject of citizenship:

“Half the people who could have gotten amnesty in 1986 didn’t apply,” Bush said, referring to an immigration bill signed by President Ronald Reagan. “Many people don’t want to be citizens of our country. They want to come here, they want to work hard, they want to provide for the families, some of them want to come home, not necessarily all of them want to stay as citizens. That’s point number one. Point number two, there has to be some difference between people who come here legally and illegally. It’s just a matter of common sense and a matter of the rule of law. If we’re not going to apply the law fairly and consistently, then we’re going to have another wave of illegal immigrants coming into the country.”

He’s right about that. Citizenship is key to comprehensive reform not because it’s something illegals necessarily want but because it’s something Democrats want for them. But if citizenship isn’t a top priority for people crossing the border, why worry that creating a path to it will act as a “magnet” for them? It’s legalization that’s a magnet, not citizenship, because legalization ensures that illegals who are here can stay and continue to work. And both Bush’s permanent residency plan and Rubio’s Senate bill (on day one!) guarantee legalization. Mark Krikorian made a similar point this morning in arguing that Bush’s half-a-loaf residency plan is not only a red herring but one which will achieve less for the GOP politically than Rubio’s more forthright amnesty:

Once the illegal population is legalized, the game is over — the amnesty will obviously never be revoked, and the Democrats will then launch a campaign against Republicans accusing them (correctly) of imposing on helpless Latinos a Jim Crow-style system of second-class status, something more appropriate to Saudi Arabia. If they go this way, the GOP candidate in 2016 will look back fondly on Romney’s 27 percent of the Hispanic vote — and he’ll have sabotaged his own base as well, resulting in an even further drop in blue-collar white turnout and Republican share.

Another thing. Bush writes in his book in arguing against citizenship, “It is absolutely vital to the integrity of our immigration system that actions have consequences.” Okay, but in that case why would you even hypothetically support a path to citizenship? Even if one could be devised that satisfied Bush’s concerns about acting as a “magnet” for illegals, shouldn’t he still oppose the path on grounds that “actions have consequences”? As Byron York says, he’s making two different arguments here, one from pragmatism and one from principle. Yesterday he seemed to oppose the path on principle, as an improper reward for lawbreaking irrespective of the “magnet” effect. Today he’s all about the magnet, lawbreaking or no.

Hold on, though. Turns out the citizenship rhetoric isn’t even the most controversial part of Bush’s plan. Quote:

But the former governor also stakes out a position far to the left of those voters on border security that would only complicate a potential presidential bid. In the book titled Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution, Bush is skeptical of the demand from many conservative Republicans – including Rubio – that illegal immigrants cannot seek legal residency until the border is secure. In fact, Bush echoes President Obama by pointing out that the border security is tighter than ever.

“Demanding border security as a prerequisite to broader immigration reform is a good slogan but elusive on the details and measurements,” the book says. “What exactly is the magic moment we must wait for before we can fix the broken immigration system?”

So Bush isn’t pounding the table, as Rubio is, for considerably stronger border enforcement before we start legalizing people? Why on earth would a guy who’s worried about a “magnet” effect from the new amnesty be sanguine about that? If anyone should be a stickler for tighter border control, it’s someone who worries about “waves” of new illegals being induced to cross over once a more forgiving immigration policy is enacted.


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I’ve had it with the eight gangsters and all the other rhinos in congress

newportmike on May 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake

Just when you think you couldn’t hate these rat f*ck bastards any more…

I’m completely serious when I say that these and the other amnesty shills are guilty of actively working to destroy this country. If it’s not ‘treason’, I’m not sure what the technical term would be, but it is effectively what they’re doing.

Midas on May 9, 2013 at 8:11 PM

What is the matter with Levin? I am just stunned that he continues to have anything to do with Rubio. Marco is a useful idiot for Schmucky Schumer and the progtards.

Conservchik on May 9, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I quite frankly am getting sick of Levin, screaming like a mental patient with Tourettes about obama bin laden, and then playing endless frickin audio clips of him. And if he’s not doing that he’s taking calls from his lifelong butt-buddy Sean Hannity.

Go shit on a fish stick, Mark!!! You’re not a conservative , you’re just a phony mouthpiece!

cableguy615 on May 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Blood pudding.
I’d rather eat my own hand.
So glad Resist is on OUR side of the pond.
She’s a great asset!

AllahsNippleHair on May 9, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Yeah. I guess. I saw a coyote foot left in a trap once and wondered what that critter was thinking and tasting when he did it. Blood pudding is OK. Probably need to have your Granny make it at the holidays.

The English did give us great ales. IPA, ESB, Porter. Yum.

I think I’ll turn on an old TIVO episode of Nigella and have a Boddingtons. Then maybe an episode of Rick Bayless and a couple Negro Modelos to get ready for the future.

oldroy on May 9, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I’ll raise you a Fawlty Towers marathon. With Manuel, it just about covers the spectrum. :)

AllahsNippleHair on May 9, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Yeah. I guess. I saw a coyote foot left in a trap once and wondered what that critter was thinking and tasting when he did it. Blood pudding is OK. Probably need to have your Granny make it at the holidays.

The English did give us great ales. IPA, ESB, Porter. Yum.

I think I’ll turn on an old TIVO episode of Nigella and have a Boddingtons. Then maybe an episode of Rick Bayless and a couple Negro Modelos to get ready for the future.

oldroy on May 9, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I imagine he wasn’t tasting anything, merely willing to lose a foot rather than his life. This happens all the time where animals are trapped. I grieve for them.

avagreen on May 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Didn’t get posted. Will try again.

Yeah. I guess. I saw a coyote foot left in a trap once and wondered what that critter was thinking and tasting when he did it. Blood pudding is OK. Probably need to have your Granny make it at the holidays.

oldroy on May 9, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I imagine he wasn’t thinking of how anything tasted other than trying to get out of the trap, being willing to lose a foot rather than a life.

This happens all the time where animals are trapped. I grieve for them.

avagreen on May 9, 2013 at 8:44 PM

OT/Is anyone else having the pages temporarily display the wrong comment thread? It’s happened twice now, and it crossed my eyes twice.

Axe on May 9, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Yep, I’ve had it happen a couple of times. I refreshed the page and it corrected. Weird.

lynncgb on May 9, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I hope they all spontaneously combust, right bef. they all go to Hades.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Yep, I’ve had it happen a couple of times. I refreshed the page and it corrected. Weird.

lynncgb on May 9, 2013 at 9:06 PM

K. Thanks. First time it happened, I thought I might be getting a little weird. :) Second time, felt better. And now I’m good.

Axe on May 9, 2013 at 9:44 PM

There is not much in that US Senate that even resembles an American these days. They have all violated their oath of office and their only loyalty is to themselves. The Constitution is nothing more then an old piece of parchment that does not fit their modern needs. If you wonder why the country is in such sad shape, just look what we elected to run it.

savage24 on May 9, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Traitors are the biggest crop that Obama has sown.

profitsbeard on May 10, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Ted Cruz wants to double the cap from 600,000 odd to 1.3 million legals a year.

That’s fine for saying “I’m compassionate.”

But it’s devastating for the interests of white people who are being flooded with non-white immigrants – legal and illegal – and forced to integrated with them. The effect of that is that there won’t be any white people at all in the long run. Technically that’s known as genocide – when you use policy (violently or not) to wipe away an identifiable part of the population, including a racial minority, which whites are becoming. (And already are in the youngest age brackets.)

As collateral damage, there won’t be any conservative politics. The conservative base is white, and the Republican Party gets 90% of its votes from whites. (While the Democratic Party gets 80% of the non-white vote.) Under the rules established in 1965, immigration into America is about 90% non-white. This means a million new Democrats a year, a small minority of potential Republican voters, and every red state turning purple then blue.

David Blue on May 10, 2013 at 5:37 AM

End the GOP. If they don’t care if they stay in business in the long run – and that’s what continued mass immigration implies – why should anyone else care if they stay in business?

David Blue on May 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM

Voting no on Grassley’s amendment, by the way, were committee members Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Jeff Sessions, John Cornyn, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz.

Following the link on the ‘voting no’ part I find the original article where it states:

Voting for the amendment were Sens. Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Jeff Sessions, John Cornyn, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz.

– emphasis mine.

Ukiah on May 10, 2013 at 8:40 AM

This is the absolute proof that not 1 d@mn politician in Washington is serious about wanting to secure our borders, prevent an influx of millions more Illegals over the next decade, and stop the massive financial drain on this nation’s economy.

The bottom line is POLITICS and the politics of party/self-preservation. God forbid, the GOP is fearful that they will be branded as Anti-Hispanic for daring to put the nation’s security above rewarding criminals who have been allowed to flood into this nation to ‘get what they can get’ rather than becoming a contributing member of American society as a citizen of the U.S.

Several years ago, if anyone remembers – or cares to remember – Hispanics took to the streets 2 weekends in a row to March. The reason for the March was to show American citizens just how many Illegals were in the country & show just how much we ‘need’ them. The 1st march was a disaster for the Illegal community, as the media showed the millions of marchers across the US carrying hate-filled signs that read things like, “We don’t want citizenship – we’re here for the money’, and ‘We don’t want to be Americans – give us Texas back’, etc. The American mood was rather negative…and growing…so an organizer quickly called for another march & urged Illegals/Marchers to put on ‘a different face’. The next weekend came & Marchers carried more Pro-American flags…guess they got the message that you don’t bite the hand that is feeding you. During those marches many people just didn’t show up for work & the government even went after several doctors who were handing out the fake ‘sick notes’.

Again, bottom line, politicians are protecting their jobs & are putting rewarding criminals for breaking our laws, putting the ability to do that ahead of securing our borders & keeping Americans safe. As Benghazi showed, putting their re-elections comes before saving / protecting Americans’ lives!

easyt65 on May 10, 2013 at 8:49 AM

AP, don’t you mean voting YES in the last paragraph? Grassley voted no on his own amendment!

Nutstuyu on May 10, 2013 at 9:08 AM

How about we fly predator drones back and forth along the border. No fences required.

Free Indeed on May 9, 2013 at 5:32 PM

No. I think the domestic drones are already committed for deployment against the bitter clingers.

What we really need is to build a concrete-block building the entire length of the border to house all US prisoners. The ‘yard’ being on the US side with a fence running the entire length. On the other side of the fence is a live-fire zone for military training.

Visualize it and its many intrinsic security features. It’s a self-correcting system.

Tsar of Earth on May 10, 2013 at 11:04 AM

I can see 2014 from my house.

Dexter_Alarius on May 10, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Graham was already contaminated but this Jeff Flake’s name keeps popping up as though he’s some kind of player. He looks to be a third wheel in McCain and Grahams creepy relationship. We don’t need anymore RINO’s Flake, we need Conservatives and that my friend is non negotiable. Internet tax, amnesty without securing our borders? Your writing big checks our party is not going to cash Flake, no? Oh yeah…..

Tangerinesong on May 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

These people in the GOP touting the amnesty bill aren’t even trying anymore to couch this in terms of securing the border.All they want is a share of these god knows how many tens of millions of illegal future voters.Think they are morons for thinking they will get more than a handful,but that’s what it is all about.Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.Rubio has betrayed America for 30 illegals!

redware on May 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.Rubio has betrayed America for 30 illegals!

redware on May 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM

He ran on one set of promises. He began producing speeches and essays arguing it was immoral to oppose amnesty. At some point unknown to us, he joined the Gang and works with them in their back room meetings with the powerbrokers of amnesty. He is the star of commercials misrepresenting the amnesty bill. He keeps changing his arguments for the bill. He is not listening to those who elected him but he pretends to be one with them

The story matches, only the names and amounts are changed

entagor on May 11, 2013 at 12:59 AM

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