Wait: Jeb Bush now opposes a path to citizenship for illegals?

posted at 2:01 pm on March 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Politico, I … was not expecting that. Neither was HuffPo, which points to this piece from last summer as proof that he was singing a different tune in 2012:

“You have to deal with this issue. You can’t ignore it, and so either a path to citizenship, which I would support–and that does put me probably out of the mainstream of most conservatives–or … a path… to residency of some kind,” he said during an interview last week with Charlie Rose on CBS.

Bush’s position diverges from that of presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who oppposes amnesty, supports the use of e-verify to stop businesses from hiring illegal immigrants, and has promised to build a “high-tech” fence to help secure the border.

Too stale? Here’s what he said just six weeks ago:

The only alternatives to increased immigration are mounting debts or reduced social services. A practicable system of work-based immigration for both high-skilled and low-skilled immigrants—a system that will include a path to citizenship—will help us meet workforce needs, prevent exportation of jobs to foreign countries and protect against the exploitation of workers…

Immigrants replenish the American spirit. Most immigrants come here to secure a better life for themselves and their families. They cherish the values of hard work, faith, family, enterprise and patriotism that have made this country great. Meanwhile, many who were lucky enough to have been born here have grown complacent or even disdainful of these values. America’s immigration system should provide opportunities for people who share the country’s core values to become citizens, thereby strengthening the nation as have countless immigrants have before them.

Is there any obvious explanation for this reversal besides him watching Rubio roll out the Senate bipartisan bill, suddenly realizing that his 2016 niche on immigration had now been filled by a younger, more charismatic candidate, and then repositioning himself as moderately hawkish on this issue in order to gain a second look from conservatives? This shift has to be electorally-driven because there’s no way his new plan — allowing illegals to apply for permanent residency but not citizenship — will ever be accepted as policy. For Democrats, it’s a non-starter. The whole point of comprehensive reform on their end is to add illegals to the voter rolls sooner or later. Even if, by some strange twist of luck, Bush’s plan was implemented, immigration activists would get to work immediately on changing the law (legislatively or in court) so that illegals-turned-permanent-residents could eventually apply for citizenship. Meanwhile, even some immigration hawks like Mark Krikorian oppose relegating illegals to quasi-citizenship by allowing them to live and work here but never, ever to become citizens. Gingrich floated a plan like that in 2011 during the debates (the so-called “red-card plan,” which sounds a lot like what Bush has in mind); Krikorian wrote at the time that he actually preferred a straight-up amnesty to the politically charged purgatory of second-class status that a “red card” would grant. Besides, the whole point of the GOP’s big cave on immigration is to earn goodwill with Latino voters. What kind of goodwill would be earned by taking the position that sure, it’s fine for Mexicans to work, live, and pay taxes here, but voting is where America draws the line? If you’re going to cave in some quixotic attempt to turn a reliably blue constituency more red, then just cave already. Watch Lauer press him on that very point, in fact. He’s showing you exactly how the media would play this if Bush got his way.

So his plan is DOA in Congress, but he knows that already. The point here isn’t to float a viable compromise that might make comprehensive reform more salable to the base, it’s to give Bush a way to hit Rubio from the right in the primaries two years from now — which is ironic, because in another segment this morning, Bush told Lauer that Romney got in trouble with Latino voters by tacking a bit too far right on immigration in the debates in 2011. I assume he thinks he’s built up enough cred with Latinos over the years that backing away from a path to citizenship now won’t cost him many votes. We’ll see.

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Bushs. Clintons. GOOD-BYE already.

hillsoftx on March 4, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I can’t believe he’s seriously considering running. C’mon…given his last name, the ads write themselves (and still will in ’16).

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Red card?! Yeah, I bet a lot of soccer-loving immigrants are just dying to get sent off with a red card. Who’s the sports ignoramus who came up with that idiotic optic?

Christien on March 4, 2013 at 2:06 PM

BRIDGE FOR SALE ALERT!!!

FloatingRock on March 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Baby shrub knows amnesty is a done deal so he can start to walk back his pro-amnesty position to bolster his conservative credentials.

Wigglesworth on March 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

See my finger Jeb? F off, you lard.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Having been forced to listen to Jeb for an hour or so, it’s clear that this moron is smart enough to do anything by himself. Who’s behind this stupidity? This guy will be the end, the absolute end of the Republicans.

CrazyGene on March 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

So his plan is DOA in Congress, but he knows that already. The point here isn’t to float a viable compromise that might make comprehensive reform more salable to the base, it’s to give Bush a way to hit Rubio from the right in the primaries two years from now — which is ironic, because in another segment this morning, Bush told Lauer that Romney got in trouble with Latino voters by tacking a bit too far right on immigration in the debates in 2011. I assume he thinks he’s built up enough cred with Latinos over the years that backing away from a path to citizenship now won’t cost him many votes. We’ll see.

The problem with that logic is it assumes Jeb can woo conservatives in 2016. That ain’t happening. He’s said way too many things to make me question his sincerity on a whole host of issues(just today he floated the possibility of more tax hikes). You’d think if he had any shot at the nomination, it would be from the left like Chris CRISTie.

Seriously, just ask yourself. If your choices in 2016 for the Republican Presidential nominee included the likes of Rubio, Paul, an unexpected entry(we’ll say Scott Walker or Bobby Jindal), even Rick Perry, then why in God’s name would anyone waste their time considering Jeb Bush?

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

They are not going to foist this fat slob on us in 2016.

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

No.

Not no way, not no how.

No.

M240H on March 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Read my lips Jeb, nothing says same ole Republican party like a Bush running for the presidency.

msmveritas on March 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Good, so Rubio got left behind with McCain out in the open with the commie Democrats.

Looks like a set up to me.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

So his plan is DOA in Congress, but he knows that already. The point here isn’t to float a viable compromise that might make comprehensive reform more salable to the base, it’s to give Bush a way to hit Rubio from the right in the primaries two years from now — which is ironic, because in another segment this morning, Bush told Lauer that Romney got in trouble with Latino voters by tacking a bit too far right on immigration in the debates in 2011. I assume he thinks he’s built up enough cred with Latinos over the years that backing away from a path to citizenship now won’t cost him many votes. We’ll see.

The problem with that logic is it assumes Jeb can woo conservatives in 2016. That ain’t happening. He’s said way too many things to make me question his sincerity on a whole host of issues(just today he floated the possibility of more tax hikes). You’d think if he had any shot at the nomination, it would be from the left like Chris CRISTie.

Seriously, just ask yourself. If your choices in 2016 for the Republican Presidential nominee included the likes of Rubio, Paul, an unexpected entry(we’ll say Scott Walker or Bobby Jindal), even Rick Perry, then why in God’s name would anyone waste their time considering Jeb Bush?

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Mitt. Romney.
Yeah.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

What a douche. He also claimed that he loves Chris Christie, and believes CC is the future of the GOP.

MoreLiberty on March 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Wigglesworth on March 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Yep. Also known as having his cake and eating it too.

a capella on March 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Jeb Bush. It’s high time for you to go to the back of the line.

No pathway to Presidency for you!

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

FloatingRock on March 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

+1

Oil Can on March 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Jeb Bush is the best candidate for the future of the GOP in the twentieth century.

You haters need to get a clue.

platypus on March 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM

It’s Jeb Bush Monday because he’s hawking a new book release this week. Hannity is giving him the entire hour tonight.

Marcus on March 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Why does anyone in their right mind think another Bush could ever get elected?

ctmom on March 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Mitt. Romney.
Yeah.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

That’s because Mitt had lousy competition. The 2016 field will be far stronger.

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

America’s immigration system should provide opportunities for people who share the country’s core values to become citizens

Breaking the law is one of our core values? I guess it is nowadays.

CurtZHP on March 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Maybe Columba pissed him off again. Sick and tired of latinophiles sucking all the oxygen out of the immigration debate. Most illegals are latino–we get it. You’re latino or related to one–we get it. But see, here’s the thing…all y’all did a heckuva job preventing the problem in the first place, so let someone else who is not biased in favor of latinos handle this one for a change.

Christien on March 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I don’t oppose a path to citizenship for illegals. I just oppose a new path to citizenship for illegals.

besser tot als rot on March 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I don’t care what that guy thinks about anything.

forest on March 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Border security and an e-verify mandate was part of the Reagan deal (I don’t think they called it e-verify). No need for further ‘deals’, still waiting for that one to be fulfilled.

Fenris on March 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Bush’s need not apply.

portlandon on March 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I just oppose a new path to citizenship for illegals.

They can follow the existing path those seeking to immigrate LEGALLY follow. Nothing less, nothing more.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Baby shrub knows amnesty is a done deal so he can start to walk back his pro-amnesty position to bolster his conservative credentials.

Wigglesworth on March 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

This is what I think is happening, yes.

Seriously, just ask yourself. If your choices in 2016 for the Republican Presidential nominee included the likes of Rubio, Paul, an unexpected entry(we’ll say Scott Walker or Bobby Jindal), even Rick Perry, then why in God’s name would anyone waste their time considering Jeb Bush?

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

This is exactly what was said about Romney before the 2012 race began in earnest.

Doomberg on March 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

“There has to be some difference between people who come here legally and illegally.”

*gasp* heresy. Do you just hate brown people? Do you hate them all. When you make love to your Latina wife, do you retch at her brown skin? Stop the hate. Just stop it. They didn’t cross the border — the border crossed them! Why attack those who only want a better life for themselves and their family? Heck, I’d do it. I’d murder 10 people to support my family. Do you just hate people with families?

Why do you hate people with brown skin?

/I’m such a liberal

Paul-Cincy on March 4, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Baby shrub knows amnesty is a done deal so he can start to walk back his pro-amnesty position to bolster his conservative credentials.

Wigglesworth on March 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

It’s very far from a done deal.

Jon0815 on March 4, 2013 at 2:18 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

BINGO !

Lucano on March 4, 2013 at 2:18 PM

America’s immigration system should provide opportunities for people who share the country’s core values to become citizens

Hrmpfh! Yes it should. Too many LEGAL immigrants fail to share our country’s core values even when they provided the opportunity to become citizens. Too many cling stubbornly to their cultural and previous country’s values instead of their adopted country’s core values.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Since we already had two Bushes, then it is only fair we have to have two Clintons. Why are you against fairness, haters? Plus, Hillary is a female, so we get to check off that box, too.

Yes, enough American voters are that stupid.

Christien on March 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Actions have consequences, and this is a consequence of 2012 and the “electable” shilling by Romneybots pretending the progressive grandfather of Obamacare was a severe conservative. Post-Romney, not only do words have no meaning, but policies don”t matter. Republican campaigns will only be about etch-and-spinning a Jedi mind meld. “These are not the progressive Republican policies you oppose.”

sauldalinsky on March 4, 2013 at 2:22 PM

You know, the other side of his mouth hadn’t been exercised in a while, so he chose to talk out of it.

beatcanvas on March 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

BRIDGE POLITICIAN FOR SALE ALERT!!!

FloatingRock on March 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM

FIFY

Liam on March 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

CC is the future of the GOP.

MoreLiberty on March 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Unfortunately, he is probably right on that count, since it certainly doesn’t appear to be conservatism. :(

GWB on March 4, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Mitt. Romney.
Yeah.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

That’s because Mitt had lousy competition. The 2016 field will be far stronger.

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Not exactly, establishment meddling, media interference helped.
Jeb is the establishment’s playmate of the year and a Bush, I think Chris Matthew’s leg just fell off.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:25 PM

This is exactly what was said about Romney before the 2012 race began in earnest.

Doomberg on March 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Romney had to fend off Newt, Santorum, Cain, and Bachmann(Perry doesn’t even count since he did himself in). Call me overly optimistic, but I suspect we’ll see a much better crop of candidates in 2016.

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:28 PM

This is exactly what was said about Romney before the 2012 race began in earnest.

Doomberg on March 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Romney had to fend off Newt, Santorum, Cain, and Bachmann(Perry doesn’t even count since he did himself in). Call me overly optimistic, but I suspect we’ll see a much better crop of candidates in 2016.

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:28 PM

I hope you’re right, but the sat two cycles color me cynical on that.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Shouldn’t term limits be applied to the last name, and not to the particular person?

:OP

OhEssYouCowboys on March 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM

If Jeb strips down to a wolf-skin loin-cloth, dons an antlered Viking helmet, drives a chariot pulled by two Bengal tigers into the House of Representatives, and drives a stake through Nancy Pelosi’s heart, and then slays -with a pike- the Medusa-headed gorgon she instantly transmogrifies into, I will consider voting for him.

M240H on March 4, 2013 at 2:32 PM

They cherish the values of hard work, faith, family, enterprise and patriotism that have made this country great.

Then why do I have to press 2 for English and it is insensitive to wave our flag?

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2013 at 2:34 PM

It’s Jeb Bush Monday because he’s hawking a new book release this week. Hannity is giving him the entire hour tonight.

Marcus on March 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Hannity is an establishment hack, a toady, you know he was a construction worker, fell off the roof, washed dishes, and here’s his friend, the architect Chins Rove.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Romney had to fend off Newt, Santorum, Cain, and Bachmann(Perry doesn’t even count since he did himself in). Call me overly optimistic, but I suspect we’ll see a much better crop of candidates in 2016.

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Your overly optimistic… Anyone who is actually qualified for the office is smart enough not to run.

The GOP will run a couple of lame horses again, will try to win on facts and logic, and the voters will go for the guy who looks the best in a suit.

The problem is American is run by the ignorant mob who is continually force fed loads of liberal manure from the MSM.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

POLITICIAN FOR SALE ALERT!!!

FIFY

Liam on March 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Politicians that support amnesty have already sold out, but no doubt you’re right with regard to other issues.

FloatingRock on March 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Let’s get revoltin’ and nominate a conservative. GOP be damned.

DanMan on March 4, 2013 at 2:37 PM

What a swine – “tax increases c/b part of deal with the WH“.

Go to Hell.

NO more Bushs, Clintons, Kennedys, Obamas.

The land is not a kingdom, not yet. God help her.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM

If Jeb strips down to a wolf-skin loin-cloth, dons an antlered Viking helmet, drives a chariot pulled by two Bengal tigers into the House of Representatives, and drives a stake through Nancy Pelosi’s heart, and then slays -with a pike- the Medusa-headed gorgon she instantly transmogrifies into, I will consider voting for him.

M240H on March 4, 2013 at 2:32 PM

He has to get Boehner as well and then, maybe. But, probably not.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I hate the Rs more than the Lilliputian in Chief.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Then why do I have to press 2 for English and it is insensitive to wave our flag?

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Now, now–if you don’t simply eat your arugula and stop asking such questions, you’ll get no tofu ice cream for dessert. :-)

Liam on March 4, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Maybe Columba pissed him off again. Sick and tired of latinophiles sucking all the oxygen out of the immigration debate. Most illegals are latino–we get it. You’re latino or related to one–we get it. But see, here’s the thing…all y’all did a heckuva job preventing the problem in the first place, so let someone else who is not biased in favor of latinos handle this one for a change.

Christien on March 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM

She spent another 10K shopping in Paris.

The problem with that logic is it assumes Jeb can woo conservatives in 2016. That ain’t happening. He’s said way too many things to make me question his sincerity on a whole host of issues(just today he floated the possibility of more tax hikes). You’d think if he had any shot at the nomination, it would be from the left like Chris CRISTie.

Agreed. CRISTie has huge liabilities but isn’t named Bush and would probably blowout Jebbers in NH. I’d vote for neither in the general.

Seriously, just ask yourself. If your choices in 2016 for the Republican Presidential nominee included the likes of Rubio, Paul, an unexpected entry(we’ll say Scott Walker or Bobby Jindal), even Rick Perry, then why in God’s name would anyone waste their time considering Jeb Bush?

Doughboy on March 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Jeb isn’t actually delusional to think that he could win the primary. He is delusional to think he could win the general (and his comments about 2012 were laugh worthy.) The only three candidates who could probably stop him are the Rs and CRISTie. Krispy Kreme has built up enough bad will over the last four months to sink him in the primaries and Ryan has been acting very oddly for someone who really wants to run in 2016.

That leaves Rubio. I think that Jeb thought that Rubio was going to defer to him. I don’t think that is the case anymore. It is ridiculously obvious that Rubio is running for President in 2016 (i.e. immigration reform, foreign policy trips, Iowa trip last November) and that has really strained the relationship between the two. It has the makings of a Shakespearean tragedy.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

I don’t care what bill comes from the Gang of Eight, it should go through normal order. Send it off to committees for review, hold hearings and do a markup and a vote to send it to the floor.

It ought to have open amendment process and unlimited debate. This ought to give the bill more than enough time, 3 months should be the minimum from the time it is first unveiled, for Congressional and public consideration as to the benefits and consequences, both intended and unintended, of passing such a major bill.

We should demand no less.

Dusty on March 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

If Jeb strips down to a wolf-skin loin-cloth, dons an antlered Viking helmet, drives a chariot pulled by two Bengal tigers into the House of Representatives, and drives a stake through Nancy Pelosi’s heart, and then slays -with a pike- the Medusa-headed gorgon she instantly transmogrifies into, I will consider voting for him.

M240H on March 4, 2013 at 2:32 PM

No way. Bengal tigers are for RINO squishes!

Valkyriepundit on March 4, 2013 at 2:42 PM

There is a difference, many who would come here legally die in waiting. Those who come here illegally get the benefits up front making the costs negative for them. One free trip through the ER alone saves them a minimum of $5,000.

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Here we go…..Rubio is SOOO dreamy!

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

It begins. Another ideological cross-dresser Romney figure rises up to reverse himself on every position he ever held so that he can endear himself to a conservative base that will reject him even as the establishment scolds the base for its intransigence. Sigh. Well, at least he has the virtue of NOT being Romney.

casuist on March 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

If Jeb is the smart Bush, why did they run the two dumb ones first?

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM

J.Bush is also announcing that taxes could be a part of any deal with Obama on the budget as if he has a congressional seat or something: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/03/04/jeb-bush-says-tax-increase-could-be-part-of-budget-deal/

Why is anyone listening to this guy?

casuist on March 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Another Bush? NOOOOO.

antisocial on March 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Why is anyone listening to this guy?

casuist on March 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

This is what is so perplexing to me! I care more about what my mailman says than I do about what Jeb Bush has to say. Talk about irrelevant.

MustLoveBlogs on March 4, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Why is anyone listening to this guy?

casuist on March 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Like McCain and Romney, Bush would be just another win/win pick for the progressives. Heads they win, tails conservatism loses.

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Here we go…..Rubio is SOOO dreamy!

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I’m sorry… You want to stop Jeb Bush and Christie.. correct? Only Rubio or Ryan have the cache to knock those two bozos out and Ryan doesn’t seem like he actually wants to run. I’m concerned about Rubio’s lack of experience but he is 1000Xs better than Jeb Bush or Krispy Kreme.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Last I remember, the Bushes were calling us hicks “nativists”. F U Jeb

dforston on March 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Paul-Cincy on March 4, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Excellent point! Jeb Bush is obviously a xenophobic, racist nativist!

FloatingRock on March 4, 2013 at 2:53 PM

So when people talk about the “strong bench” the GOP has, they include this guy?

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Here we go…..Rubio is SOOO dreamy!

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I’m sorry… You want to stop Jeb Bush and Christie.. correct? Only Rubio or Ryan have the cache to knock those two bozos out and Ryan doesn’t seem like he actually wants to run. I’m concerned about Rubio’s lack of experience but he is 1000Xs better than Jeb Bush or Krispy Kreme.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Ryan has Mitt’s stench on him, Rubio has McCain ‘s stench and is touting amnesty.
Neither nor, but you can’t see it through your Rubio Rose Colored Glasses.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

They can follow the existing path those seeking to immigrate LEGALLY follow. Nothing less, nothing more.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I agree.
If you were previously deported from the US or currently reside here illegally, you should not have any path to citizenship. Green Card, maybe. Citizenship, no.

I also have a problem with the claims of citizenship for anchor babies.

freedomfirst on March 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

It feels good to use the Bush dynasty’s own propaganda against them.

FloatingRock on March 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

I’m sorry… You want to stop Jeb Bush and Christie.. correct? Only Rubio or Ryan have the cache to knock those two bozos out and Ryan doesn’t seem like he actually wants to run. I’m concerned about Rubio’s lack of experience but he is 1000Xs better than Jeb Bush or Krispy Kreme.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Why don’t we chain all four of them to a barge and sink it somewhere?

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Hannity is an establishment hack, a toady, you know he was a construction worker, fell off the roof, washed dishes, and here’s his friend, the architect Chins Rove.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

In all fairness, I think you are over-rating Sean Hannity.

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I’m concerned about Rubio’s lack of experience but he is 1000Xs better than Jeb Bush or Krispy Kreme.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

How do you figure? Better about what? Better about arming jihadis? Better about amnestying tens of millions of socialist illegal aliens?

FloatingRock on March 4, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Ryan has Mitt’s stench on him, Rubio has McCain ‘s stench and is touting amnesty.
Neither nor, but you can’t see it through your Rubio Rose Colored Glasses.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

I know.. How dare a politician not agree with me 100% of the time!!! Especially a politician who might be trying to save the Republicans from themselves.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Especially a politician who might be trying to save the Republicans from themselves.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Translation…let’s be Democrats since that seems to work so well!

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I’m sorry… You want to stop Jeb Bush and Christie.. correct? Only Rubio or Ryan have the cache to knock those two bozos out and Ryan doesn’t seem like he actually wants to run. I’m concerned about Rubio’s lack of experience but he is 1000Xs better than Jeb Bush or Krispy Kreme.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

How many times does your “heart throb” have to prove he’s an establishment hack? Last week he voted for the Violence Against Women Act. In the past it’s been for No Child Left Behind, TARP, the auto bailout, Medicare D, debt ceiling increases, etc., etc., etc.

Plus, Paul Ryan may have pecs that drive you wild, but he is more boring than vanilla ice cream. 2012 proved that.

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Ryan has Mitt’s stench on him, Rubio has McCain ‘s stench and is touting amnesty.
Neither nor, but you can’t see it through your Rubio Rose Colored Glasses.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Only a small percentage of the stench on Ryan is from Romney. He acquired most of it on his own. I am just glad this pretender was Romney’s running mate so we had reason to take a close look at him.

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Looking at the supposed first rate runners in this cycle, I think it is going to be another Democrat year in 2016.
Romney was the last of the progressive’s I vote for. If they pick anyone to the left of say, Perry, I will actively work to subvert every regular republican voter I can. I will scorch the earth, salt it and spray it with radiation if we cannot get someone Conservative on the ticket in 2016.

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 3:10 PM

How many times does your “heart throb” have to prove he’s an establishment hack? Last week he voted for the Violence Against Women Act. In the past it’s been for No Child Left Behind, TARP, the auto bailout, Medicare D, debt ceiling increases, etc., etc., etc.

Plus, Paul Ryan may have pecs that drive you wild, but he is more boring than vanilla ice cream. 2012 proved that.

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Yes, Ryan is a moderate-conservative Republican who worked for Jack Kemp. That is why I like him. He has never been frothing at the mouth nutcase. I appreciate the fact that he basically co-opted the Tea Party and used it for his own purposes – to introduce serious entitlement reforms. That was much more valuable to the Republican party than your hero, who flamed out two years into her term as governor.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Cognitive dissonance!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!

thebrokenrattle on March 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Looking at the supposed first rate runners in this cycle, I think it is going to be another Democrat year in 2016.
Romney was the last of the progressive’s I vote for. If they pick anyone to the left of say, Perry, I will actively work to subvert every regular republican voter I can. I will scorch the earth, salt it and spray it with radiation if we cannot get someone Conservative on the ticket in 2016.

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Translation… Let’s lose the election by twenty points by nominating a far right whack job.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Translation… Let’s lose the election by twenty points by nominating a far right whack job.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM

If so, better than the alternative you propose.

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Ryan has Mitt’s stench on him, Rubio has McCain ‘s stench and is touting amnesty.
Neither nor, but you can’t see it through your Rubio Rose Colored Glasses.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

I know.. How dare a politician not agree with me 100% of the time!!! Especially a politician who might be trying to save the Republicans from themselves.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:03 PM

50% of the time would be ideal, but you be a good pet for the establishment hacks. Fetch sweetie.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Translation… Let’s lose the election by twenty points by nominating a far right whack job.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM

You’re assuming that by ’16 America won’t be ready for one of those. /

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM

You’ve never been big on politicians that have any ethical standards whatsoever. I say this not only based on this post, but on many of your previous posts.

Your prime qualifications appear to be a male politician’s physical appearance.

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM

If so, better than the alternative you propose.

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Umm.. If so, please come to IL and see what it is like to live under dysfunctional Democratic rule.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:21 PM

If so, better than the alternative you propose.

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Umm.. If so, please come to IL and see what it is like to live under dysfunctional Democratic rule.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Then, you should know better than all of us the trouble with democrat lite offerings, ummm, m’kays.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Umm.. If so, please come to IL and see what it is like to live under dysfunctional Democratic rule.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:21 PM

So keep it there and stop trying to promote the same thing in the Republican Party. Why is it that Californians and other Blue state refugees like you keep trying to replicate the same stupid policies that destroyed where you live?

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Umm.. If so, please come to IL and see what it is like to live under dysfunctional Democratic and swishy Republican rule.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:21 PM

FIFY The Republicans in Illinois are Democrat-lite. They are just as corrupt and insidious as the Dems.

Fallon on March 4, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Then, you should know better than all of us the trouble with democrat lite offerings, ummm, m’kays.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Oops, didn’t mean to step on your toes.

Fallon on March 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

You’ve never been big on politicians that have any ethical standards whatsoever. I say this not only based on this post, but on many of your previous posts.

Your prime qualifications appear to be a male politician’s physical appearance.

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM

My prime qualification are someone with personal morality, intelligence, and electability who I like and is part of the Republican party. Krispy Kreme fails on the likeability front. Jeb Bush fails on the electability front (and is also delusional). Santorum fails on the intelligence, electibility, and likeability fronts. Rand Paul fails on the electibility front.. See how this works.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Then, you should know better than all of us the trouble with democrat lite offerings, ummm, m’kays.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Oops, didn’t mean to step on your toes.

Fallon on March 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Not at all. Great minds.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM

No Liberal or RINO Political Dynasties!

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Umm.. If so, please come to IL and see what it is like to live under dysfunctional Democratic rule.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:21 PM

I have lived in Iowa, Florida, N.C., Cali, Utah, Texas, Ohio, Arizona. The thing I can take away from all that is the following. The further to the right the Republicans are, the more sane the government. The further to the left the Republicans are, the more insane the government is.

I am sure you can do plenty of research, and almost always come away with my real world over view. Of course you will not, because you are biased in favor of progressive promises instead of conservative deliveries.

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 3:33 PM

…a far right whack job.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Who exactly is a “far-right whack job”? Allen West? Louie Gohmert? Ted Cruz? I’m curious.

rrpjr on March 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM

rrpjr on March 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Charlamaine Huntsman…

astonerii on March 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM

My prime qualification are someone with personal morality, intelligence, and electability who I like and is part of the Republican party. Krispy Kreme fails on the likeability front. Jeb Bush fails on the electability front (and is also delusional). Santorum fails on the intelligence, electibility, and likeability fronts. Rand Paul fails on the electibility front.. See how this works.

Illinidiva on March 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM

My Prime qualification is a strong conservative record of governance & smart policy ideas.

It shouldn’t take more than 10 minutes to speak plainly and then answer voters questions over a plate of BBQ.

But I’m a native Texan…

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Shades of Ron Paul. One of his favorite tricks was attaching pork for his district to a bill he knew would pass and then he voted against the bill.

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Why would anyone trust a Bush? Bush41: “read my lips.” Bush43: “Islam is the religion of peace.”

bw222 on March 4, 2013 at 3:41 PM

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