Poll: 41% of Dems think president should have power to kill suspected American terrorist on American soil

posted at 8:01 pm on March 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

“On his own.” To be clear, they think he should have the power to do this “on his own.” This is what years of screeching during the Bush era about “the unitary executive” has come to.

I feel like I should issue a correction here. Back when Rand Paul was stumping against John Brennan on grounds that he wouldn’t give a straight answer about whether the White House can order a U.S. citizen killed on U.S. soil, I argued that Brennan’s silence wasn’t a big deal because the public simply wouldn’t stand for drone attacks here and O would surely realize that. Correction: A big chunk of the public, nearly a majority, would stand for it just fine.

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In an era of fierce bipartisan disagreement, those numbers are amazingly consistent. According to the DOJ’s “white paper” on targeting U.S. citizens, drone attacks are permissible only if capturing the target isn’t “feasible.” I’d argue that if you’re on U.S. soil, you’re within reach of American law enforcement and therefore, by definition, capture is feasible. (The DOJ and The One himself have been conspicuously quiet about that.) Judging from these numbers, though, a huge chunk of the public is a lot more lax about defining feasibility than I’d be. Serious question: Do the people who answered “yes” here think capturing Chris Dorner was “infeasible” because he was holed up in a cabin with a gun? Or have they dispensed with infeasibility as a requirement entirely and are drawing the line on domestic drone strikes simply at whether the target is suspected of being a member of Al Qaeda?

But wait. Let’s refine that last question a bit. What if, instead of asking if the United States should be able to target U.S. citizens here at home — which implies multiple agencies looking at the evidence and coordinating on a strike — we specify that the decision’s coming from the president exclusively? Suddenly, the numbers aren’t so consistent:

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Behold the power of partisanship, and ask yourself what those numbers would have looked like if they had tweaked the question to name Obama. Some liberals have admitted that they’re okay with O’s drone program because they trust him personally to administer it judiciously. Rephrase this question so that it’s about him specifically and maybe you get to 50 percent among Dems.

By the way, in the most common drone-strike scenario — a suspected terrorist being targeted on foreign soil with no issue related to citizenship — fully 74 percent approve of the policy including 69 percent of self-identified liberals. Looks like Pelosi was right. For all the media heavy-breathing about drone warfare, it does seem to be popular.


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WryTrvllr on March 4, 2013 at 9:46 PM

In fairness I think it depends on where you live. In our area of Florida they still allow Jesus to be mentioned at high school graduations. Or I guess I should put it more accurately that they still let the valedictorian have the right of free speech.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2013 at 10:03 PM

What incredible dictators and fools the leftists are, every time.

Imagine, Obama might not be president forever. They haven’t even contemplated the possibility.

YOU utter morons, may you all be destroyed by tyranny. No one will laugh at your demise more.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Had one jump in the boat today. Lol!

Bmore on March 4, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Please define what you mean by ‘neocon’?

Scrumpy on March 4, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Another thing that most neocons have in common is that even while they support unconstitutional, un-American police-state laws here at home, on the false pretense that it’s necessary for “security”, at the same time they oppose securing our national borders. Obviously they aren’t very concerned about “security”, in reality, which means their real aim is to spy on the American people. And while American citizens are being monitored in so many ways and have had their due process rights stripped away by Democrats and neocons, ruling class neocons have already armed Libyan jihadists, including Al Qaeda elements, and even though those arms have now spread to jihadis all over North Africa, necons are still efforting to arm jihadis in Syria.

Neocons are the people who tell us that Pakistan, the nation that created the Taliban, was most responsible for 9/11, harbored Bin Laden for all those years and now has the doctor that helped us catch him in prison, is our friend and ally. I haven’t researched it but I’ve always suspected that a lot of the neocons at the top of the neocon totem pole probably have a lot of business interests in Pakistan predating 9/11. Not so with Iraq and now Iran, so while those two nations had little if anything to do with 9/11, neocons that lead the effort to divert our response against Pakistan after 9/11 to other nations that serve their purposes instead.

FloatingRock on March 4, 2013 at 10:28 PM

In fairness I think it depends on where you live. In our area of Florida they still allow Jesus to be mentioned at high school graduations. Or I guess I should put it more accurately that they still let the valedictorian have the right of free speech.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2013 at 10:03 PM

my daughter got detention for refusing to stop saying Merry Christmas.

WryTrvllr on March 4, 2013 at 10:54 PM

WryTrvllr on March 4, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Geez Louise!

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Oh, please! The N-Word (Neocon) is so 9/10.

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Del Dolemonte on March 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM

my daughter got detention for refusing to stop saying Merry Christmas.

WryTrvllr on March 4, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Wow! Now that’s BS.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 4, 2013 at 11:04 PM

In fairness I think it depends on where you live. In our area of Florida they still allow Jesus to be mentioned at high school graduations. Or I guess I should put it more accurately that they still let the valedictorian have the right of free speech.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Jesus and Moses have had much more influence on this country than Mohammed, Lao Tzu, Siddartha and others. The beliefs of others are surely welcome in my book, but we need to stick with what made us the most successful society on the planet.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Oh, please! The N-Word (Neocon) is so 9/10.

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Del Dolemonte on March 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM

I was busy substituting “Bilderbergers” for “neocons” in those posts to see how well it fit. I think “Freemasons” might work, too.

farsighted on March 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

For me it doesn’t matter what they say as much as what they are forbidden to say. That tends to wind me up a bit.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Actually, it was a good learning experience for her.

The other was that our whole family deer hunts together. The crap she had to put up with in the big metro area where we lived previously was astonishing, but to a person, my daughter told me not one detractor could ever give a non-emotional reason why it was bad.

Now she attends an Ivory Tower out east and is bombarded by stuff like this in her college in-box:

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4612&utm_source=Leadership+Institute+Training&utm_campaign=a6be2b5d47-CRONewswire&utm_medium=email

Granted, this one is a reponse to the crap she find repulsive, but she gets a ton of the “critical race theory” stuff too.

She takes it in stride having seen liberalism for what it is. And has MANY friends who are sickened by it too.

Yes Cindy, I do see the pendulum swinging.

WryTrvllr on March 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

WryTrvllr on March 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Shouldn’t they worry about unfairness that people can actually do something about?

Cindy Munford on March 5, 2013 at 2:07 AM

WryTrvllr on March 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Shouldn’t they worry about unfairness that people can actually do something about?

Cindy Munford on March 5, 2013 at 2:07 AM

Who says they can’t do anything about it?

RINO in Name Only on March 5, 2013 at 7:27 AM

Well, the 41% of dems should be the first ones on the trains.

shar61 on March 5, 2013 at 8:13 AM

I am all for killing TERRORISTS on U.S. soil…I just have a SERIOUS problem with the man who brought us
o Fast & Furious (300+ civilian Body count & 3 Felonious Perjuries)
o 20,000 Non-Union auto-workers stripped of their pensions & more Felonious Perjuries)
o Benghazi Scandal (1st dead Ambassador in 30 years)
o Narcissistic Fear-Monger-In-chief
…having the power to decide who is and who is not a ‘TERRORIST’.

easyt65 on March 5, 2013 at 8:20 AM

“Poll: 41% of Dems think president should have power to kill suspected American terrorist on American soil”

DOES THAT MEAN OBAMA IS GOING TO GO AFTER / KILL HIS BUDDY, BILL AYERS (WEATHERMAN UNDERGROUND MEMBER WHO TARGETED / KILLED 1ST RESPONDERS/POLICEMEN, THE TERRORIST IN WHOSE LIVING ROOM OBAMA ANNOUNCED HIS INTENT TO RUN FOR OFFICE)?!

easyt65 on March 5, 2013 at 8:26 AM

And this just happens to coincide with ammo shortage.

bgibbs1000 on March 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM

What incredible dictators and fools the leftists are, every time.

Imagine, Obama might not be president forever. They haven’t even contemplated the possibility.

YOU utter morons, may you all be destroyed by tyranny. No one will laugh at your demise more.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 10:21 PM

You might want to contemplate that maybe he just might be president for life.

bgibbs1000 on March 5, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Well Obama killed the economy with a porkulus drone.

SparkPlug on March 5, 2013 at 8:40 AM

It doesn’t matter what anybody thinks & in what numbers.
We are a REpublic with a Constitution.
That is supposed to be what runs this Nation.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here.
It is truly amazing how many people do not understand that we are not a Democracy.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 8:45 AM

It doesn’t matter what anybody thinks & in what numbers.
We are a REpublic with a Constitution.
That is supposed to be what runs this Nation.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here.
It is truly amazing how many people do not understand that we are not a Democracy.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 8:45 AM

It’s amazing to me how many people still think the constitution matters.

bgibbs1000 on March 5, 2013 at 9:09 AM

I think the suspect needs to be charged with something and on the lam. And it should also be allowed for any other kind of illegal invaders on the border, who may have not shown up for their court appearance and are accused of violence against a citizen.

Exception makes bad law?

Fleuries on March 5, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Progressives have no problem with killings in the absence of due process so long as the right people are deciding who gets killed. Progressivism has a long history of it starting with the Jacobins. It’s a defining feature of their ideology.

forest on March 5, 2013 at 9:13 AM

47% of Republicans think it is OK to kill a suspect! a SUSPECT! Republicans!

astonerii on March 5, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Just remember that, in times of insurrection or invasion, the powers of the Presidency expand considerably. You will never get the President to admit that he or she has no right to use military force — including the deadly kind — on American soil, especially since the right to do so is enshrined in our own Constitution.

Think Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, Bonnie and Clyde, Waco, Malvo,…

unclesmrgol on March 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM

47% of Republicans think it is OK to kill a suspect! a SUSPECT! Republicans!

astonerii on March 5, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Remember that Mr. Dorner was a suspect.

unclesmrgol on March 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM

If neocons and liberals had their way, Richard Jewel would have been murdered via the government. The FBI (Federal Bumbling Idiots) – along with the media – were so sure that he was responsible for the 1996 Olympic park bombing that they ruined his life. Of course he wasnt and the FBI and NBC were proven WRONG. Without due process, such as what the liberals and neocons what to ignore in the name of “national security” he could have been thrown in jail for life or murdered via a drone.

MoreLiberty on March 5, 2013 at 9:37 AM

How many Democrats would have been OK wit it under President Bush?

krome on March 5, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Someone please define the term ” terrorist” ,
as being used in the current context by Hussein

burrata on March 4, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Returning veterans.

Washington Nearsider on March 5, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Remember that Mr. Dorner was a suspect.

unclesmrgol on March 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM

LOL. When you kill a cop and start a firefight instead of surrendering, “suspect” is little more than legal a$$-coverese.

There are much more valid instances of mere ‘suspects’ being unfairly treated.

MelonCollie on March 5, 2013 at 9:47 AM

my daughter got detention for refusing to stop saying Merry Christmas.

WryTrvllr on March 4, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Of Course, the re-education must continue!

Bulletchaser on March 5, 2013 at 9:47 AM

47% of Republicans think it is OK to kill a suspect! a SUSPECT! Republicans!

astonerii on March 5, 2013 at 9:15 AM

This is why definitions are so important when dealing with progressives. In the mind of Republicans, you have Jack Bauer with his finger on the trigger of a sniper rifle just as the filthy Jihadi places the knife on the throat of a little red haired girl.

“You would rather arrest him, but this is necessary”, thinks the Republican.

In the Liberal mind, you have the White Tea Party, willfully standing up to the glorious Leader, Mien Obama. They are plotting something and it is clear they must be up to no good. Their finger is on the button of the drone (cuz rifles are so NRA, know what I mean?).

“You would rather arrest them, but this is necessary”, thinks the Progressive.

They are not of the same mind.

Bulletchaser on March 5, 2013 at 9:56 AM

We’re suspending little kids for chewing their cookie into the shape of a gun and we’re ok with blowing American citizens to bits with the nod of our Liar in Chief’s head in D.C.?

Herb on March 5, 2013 at 10:02 AM

I wonder what percentage of Democrats think that what a president should be allowed to do depends on which party he belongs to.

Aitch748 on March 5, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Shouldn’t they worry about unfairness that people can actually do something about?

Cindy Munford on March 5, 2013 at 2:07 AM

Not when the real goal is to build a power base. But fortunately they have gone so far over the top that most are just ignoring them.

WryTrvllr on March 5, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Free Mumia!

roy_batty on March 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Progressives have no problem with killings in the absence of due process so long as the right people are deciding who gets killed. Progressivism has a long history of it starting with the Jacobins. It’s a defining feature of their ideology.

forest on March 5, 2013 at 9:13 AM

It’s easier to reconcile if you think about this as a really, really, late-term abortion.

roy_batty on March 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

I wonder what percentage of Democrats think that what a president should be allowed to do depends on which party he belongs to.

120%.

hawkeye54 on March 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM

my daughter got detention for refusing to stop saying Merry Christmas.

On the other hand, if she’d gone around wishing all a “Blessed Ramadan” or “Happy Festivus” she’d have received a commendation.

hawkeye54 on March 5, 2013 at 11:09 AM

It’s amazing to me how many people still think the constitution matters.

bgibbs1000 on March 5, 2013 at 9:09 AM

So I should just give up in reminding people I meet & talk with that it should matter?
Just wondering if you’re in that quitter bunch.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Bulletchaser on March 5, 2013 at 9:56 AM

The person with his hand on the trigger is an immediate threat and I agree, shoot him.

The guy driving down the road, hanging out in his home and so forth is a suspect and should be captured and tried. If enough evidence is present that he actually was an enemy combatant, then try him in military courts, if not, then civilian.

astonerii on March 5, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Someone please define the term ” terrorist” ,
as being used in the current context by Hussein

burrata on March 4, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Hmmmm…the NRA, just about the entire state of Oklahoma or any other place that votes heavily GOP…the list is practically endless. Anyone that the moonbats despise is by definition a terrorist. You know that.

ddrintn on March 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

So I should just give up in reminding people I meet & talk with that it should matter?
Just wondering if you’re in that quitter bunch.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 11:14 AM

What exactly do you think you are accomplishing by reminding people except for painting yourself as an antiquated relic of a previous America?

Conservatives like you need to understand that at some point that the Constitution and Bible are not going to save you when things truly turn apocalyptic.

Without a moral culture to support it, the Constitution is nothing more than an aging sheet of paper…

ClassicCon on March 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Conservatives like you need to understand that at some point that the Constitution and Bible are not going to save you when things truly turn apocalyptic.

Without a moral culture to support it, the Constitution is nothing more than an aging sheet of paper…

ClassicCon on March 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Are you being sarcastic? Or just assuming I’m some sort of dumba$$ & don’t think chaos could actually happen?
And WTF did I even mention the Bible?
It’s still worth reminding people of. Even if you think it’s a lost cause in reminding people.
There is some morality still out there.
But no, I guess it’s much better to appear to insult me.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Blockbuster news breaking, pending verification, via Rand Paul on Glenn Beck’s radio show and/or The Blaze. Something to do with AG Holder and drones.

petefrt on March 5, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Are you being sarcastic? Or just assuming I’m some sort of dumba$$ & don’t think chaos could actually happen?
And WTF did I even mention the Bible?
It’s still worth reminding people of. Even if you think it’s a lost cause in reminding people.
There is some morality still out there.
But no, I guess it’s much better to appear to insult me.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 11:44 AM

In my experience there are many on our side who are denial about the future of America and cling to traditional symbols that used to represent better times.

It was not meant as insult and apologize if you think I was attacking you.

ClassicCon on March 5, 2013 at 11:50 AM

The guy driving down the road, hanging out in his home and so forth is a suspect and should be captured and tried.

Legally and ideally, but Barry and Eric and their appointed underlings will make that determination.

hawkeye54 on March 5, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Put Jeb in the WH and watch that card turn over… They mean ‘Obama’ should have the right to kill terrorists Right Thinking Americans at his own discretion…

RalphyBoy on March 5, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Just change the name and watch. Most democrats believe it’s for Obama (by proxy) to kill Americans by abortion and death panels and the % of democrats skyrockets through the stratosphere (actually it’s the demons down below that are cheering with them)

Don L on March 5, 2013 at 11:53 AM

In my experience there are many on our side who are denial about the future of America and cling to traditional symbols that used to represent better times.

It was not meant as insult and apologize if you think I was attacking you.

ClassicCon on March 5, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Then I stand corrected & apologize for taking insult.
I’m PMSing today. That might explain things.
I also meet up with people who tend to give up too easily.
I’m prepared for all eventualities.
But try to remain somewhat optimistic.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 11:54 AM

MelonCollie on March 5, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Yes, there are. But Dorner is a fine example of a citizen being killed without having had his or her day in court. When people whine about some American in Yemen being killed by a drone, I’m sorry — I don’t have any regrets — in fact, I have about as for that situation as I would have had for a poor Confederate soldier — also a citizen — targeted by a Federal sharp-shooter.

And I certainly have no regrets about Dorner — I might have sympathy for him as I do for all who are sick in anti-social ways — but no regrets.

unclesmrgol on March 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM

unclesmrgol on March 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Once the confederacy left the states, the person became a non citizen of the country and a citizen of the new nation.

astonerii on March 5, 2013 at 12:04 PM

unclesmrgol on March 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Christian American citizen killed in some foreign nation, your only regret I guess is that it was not our side that killed him.

Being outside the nation does not make you an enemy of the state and does not make it a proven fact that you are an enemy of the state.

astonerii on March 5, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Remember that if ‘you live by the sword you die by the sword’ does not mean that your only risk if facing a better swordsman. Rather it means that you have no quarrel if you fall to your chosen means of measuring your fate.

For us here, it means that if Obama and his housecarls chose to kill us in areas where the US is sovereign, they have no complaint if they fall to the same rules in their turn.

I would want to close that door as quickly as possible, but such thinking does not intrude in the mind of POTUS.

Denver Bob on March 5, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Many people SEEM to be missing the key term here – ‘SUSPECTED American Terrorist’.

Again, there is a 300+ Body Count because HIS administration provided THOUSANDS of weapons to Mecian Drug Cartels, an ‘acceptable sacrifice’ to push an his agenda? the he became the sole (he even bragged about it) keeped of the Drone ‘Kill List’ for targets abroad. THEN we find out that he has killed Americans abroad without talking to anyone. He just agreed to release all documents regarding that drone strike program in exchange for a vote on his CIA Cheif Nominee…And finally, now, we are discussing giving him the authority to kill Americans on American Soil…if he has a SUSPICION – if they are a SUSPECTED ‘Terrorist’?! WHAT THE H#LL ARE PEOPLE THINKING?!

And is this the same President who has:
o CREATED & Granted Illegals ‘Rights’ American citizens do not have (In-State Tuition for Foreign CRIMINALS – Immigration Law violation, Ordering Eric Holder not to detain/arrest/sentence/jail any Illegal for committing a crime less than a Felony….)
o Argued Terrorists should be afforded the same rights as American citizens by being given the best lawyers our money could buy & try them here in the US?

Obama is more interested in helping Illegals, terrorists, etc than U.S. Citizens…

easyt65 on March 5, 2013 at 12:29 PM

How will they feel about giving the next Republican President the power to kill an American? these people are Bat – s h 1 t crazy.
This is our future, folks. It is only get worse with the idiot factories generating one generation of dolts after another.

Ken James on March 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Authority to kill would be insane

Power to kill would be evil

tomg51 on March 5, 2013 at 12:45 PM

easyt65 on March 5, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Rand Paul is about to break some news based on a memo from Holder’s DoJ re drones. Looks to me like the memo will give DoJ’s justification for use of drones against US citizens on US soil… based on suspected terrorist connections.

Next question: Might that include membership in the Tea Party?

petefrt on March 5, 2013 at 12:48 PM

but Dorner is a fine example of a citizen being killed without having had his or her day in court.

He was an active and immediate threat to life hence the shoot out. That is completely different compared to him just sitting in a house, and in a split second that house explodes via some drone. The FBI was so sure that Richard Jewel was the 1996 Olympic park bomber. Would you have been ok with them just shooting him or blowing up his house when he didnt pose an active and immediate threat? Guess what, he was innocent and it has been proven so.

MoreLiberty on March 5, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I suggest everyone read about the Richard Jewel case. Suspected terrorist – 1996 Olympic bombing – that was eventually exonerated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell

The FBI was so sure he was the “terrorist” ie suspected domestic terrorist “searched his home, questioned his associates, investigated his background, and maintained twenty-four hour surveillance of him.” The media was even sure it was him.

MoreLiberty on March 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM

The Tyranny Of Idiots: School Now Offering Counseling For Students “Traumatised” By Pop-Tart Gun

Moochelle gets her way, counselling will be offered to students traumatized by the mere sight of a Pop-Tart and it doesn’t even have to be eaten to form the outline of a gun.

hawkeye54 on March 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Next question: Might that include membership in the Tea Party?

But of course, right along with military vets. Worst kind of potential domestic terrorists.

hawkeye54 on March 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

41% of Dems think president should have power to kill suspected American terrorist on American soil

I agree with this idea, but I also think that all democrats are terrorists.

woodNfish on March 5, 2013 at 1:28 PM

That’s a problem. I think a lot of people when they think of a terrorist, think of someobody that looks like Shakeel Bhat (Islamic Rage Boy) – and it’s a no-brainer, of course they think somebody needs to tag him with a hellfire missile.

They don’t apparently think that the terorist could just simply be your neighbor with the Ron Paul bumper sticker. Remembering back to ancient history – the 90′s – the government TTP was to smear the target before taking action (Waco, Ruby Ridge)…The Branch Davidians were cultists, devil worshippers, child molesters, had heavy weaponry, killed kittens probably too – all making it OK to burn the house down.

John_G on March 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I’m part of the percentage of US Citizens that believe that any politician that lies, should be shot or hung on US soil.

I also believe that any politician that proposes a law to eliminate or limit my God given rights, as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, should be shot or hung on US soil.

No exceptions.
III/0317

dirtengineer on March 5, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Being outside the nation does not make you an enemy of the state and does not make it a proven fact that you are an enemy of the state.

astonerii on March 5, 2013 at 12:11 PM

THIS.
WTF is wrong with any of you who think an American citizen, even if they are in a terrorist country, deserve to be targeted & killed without a trail?
You want them dead, then go through the process necessary to do that, legally.
This $hit is not legal.
Now non-citizens? Different story if they are with the enemy.
In reality what should be done here is LIMIT IMMIGRATION FROM TERRORIST NATIONS.
Gee, what a fracking concept.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM

the government TTP was to smear the target before taking action (Waco, Ruby Ridge)…The Branch Davidians were cultists, devil worshippers, child molesters, had heavy weaponry, killed kittens probably too – all making it OK to burn the house down.

John_G on March 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Waco was government sanctioned MURDER.
IT doesn’t matter how silly these people were. Far as I know, they actually broke no real laws, & if so, certainly deserved to have charges brought up against them & taken in peacefully without murdering them.
This was a message govt made to US Citizens.
We’ll kill you if we can get the chance.

Badger40 on March 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM

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