Dr. Ben Carson: Your right to own a semiautomatic should depend on where you live

posted at 3:21 pm on March 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Right Scoop and Mediaite, a point of divergence from conservative orthodoxy by CPAC’s newest scheduled speaker. The urban/rural distinction was actually a key part of Breyer’s dissent in the Heller case five years ago that established an individual right to bear arms under the Second Amendment:

[H]andguns are not only popular tools for crime, but popular objects of it as well: the FBI received on average over 274,000 reports of stolen guns for each year between 1985 and 1994, and almost 60% of stolen guns are handguns… Department of Justice studies have concluded that stolen handguns in particular are an important source of weapons for both adult and juvenile offenders. Ibid.

Statistics further suggest that urban areas, such as the District, have different experiences with gun-related death, injury, and crime, than do less densely populated rural areas. A disproportionate amount of violent and property crimes occur in urban areas, and urban criminals are more likely than other offenders to use a firearm during the commission of a violent crime… Homicide appears to be a much greater issue in urban areas; from 1985 to 1993, for example, “half of all homicides occurred in 63 cities with 16% of the nation’s population.”… One study concluded that although the overall rate of gun death between 1989 and 1999 was roughly the same in urban than rural areas, the urban homicide rate was three times as high; even after adjusting for other variables, it was still twice as high… And a study of firearm injuries to children and adolescents in Pennsylvania between 1987 and 2000 showed an injury rate in urban counties 10 times higher than in nonurban counties…

Finally, the linkage of handguns to firearms deaths and injuries appears to be much stronger in urban than in rural areas. “[S]tudies to date generally support the hypothesis that the greater number of rural gun deaths are from rifles or shotguns, whereas the greater number of urban gun deaths are from handguns.”… And the Pennsylvania study reached a similar conclusion with respect to firearm injuries—they are much more likely to be caused by handguns in urban areas than in rural areas.

Citations omitted. I’m a bit surprised that Democrats haven’t made more of urban/rural logic on guns, punctuated by the federalist approach that Carson endorses here. Obama and Biden pay lip service to it, periodically reassuring rural gun owners that no one wants to take away their hunting rifle or shotgun, but that argument’s hard to swallow when they’re pushing blanket bans on certain weapons nationwide from the seat of power in D.C. The smarter approach would be for O to declare that he doesn’t believe in a one-size-fits-all solution on guns and then call on Democrats to agitate for bans at the city and state level. That would kill some of the conservative pushback to gun control — most red-staters would have little to fear — while letting city dwellers live out their fondest confiscatory fantasies. There would be limits, obviously; the point of the Heller decision is that not even cities can ban handguns outright. But there are still a lot of blanks in Heller that will be filled in by federal courts over the next decade or two in terms of which weapons, precisely, can be regulated. Liberal energy would be better spent convincing cities to limit permissible handguns to revolvers than trying to put a dent in the country’s inventory of hundreds of thousands of AR-15s. After all, we’re already past the point of anyone besides Piers Morgan seriously believing that a new assault-weapons ban will prevent mass shootings. If you’re inclined to grab guns capable of doing lots of damage, you should be focused on semiautomatics generally rather than on scary-looking rifles that resemble M-16s. And the only way you’ll make a dent there is by stepping back from your national ambitions and respecting urban/rural differences on this subject.


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Not ready for prime time. Not surprising, considering minorities in general tend to be anti-Constitution.

Still, good for Dr. Carson for taking on The One while standing next to him.

sauldalinsky on March 4, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Since the sole reason to oppose Dr. Carson’s statement is based on constitutional grounds, why aren’t more conservatives actively pushing for the ability to purchase fully automatic weapons?

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I honestly wouldn’t have a problem with that, but it isn’t really a necessary feature for the small arms of a militia.

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 3:54 PM

The US Constitution is not negotiable.

To the Leftist Statists, the Constitution is not even relevant as a whole, only the parts that suit their needs at any given time, otherwise to be ignored. And, that, from their POV isn’t negotiable either.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Right, because him preferring not to have semi-autos in high crime urban areas basically makes him a Dem? Why does that cancel out everything else?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM

He was not merely stating his personal preference, he was demonstrating that when it comes to understanding the United States Constitution and elementary logic he is a complete idiot.

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I agree, but we keep doing this.

General Petreaus.
Collin Powell.
Codi Rice.
Herman Cain.

I wonder who will be next months rising star?

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 3:41 PM

This is what frustrates me, too. A month ago, we didn’t even know this guy existed, and because he slapped barack-the-squatter in the face ( in a very controlled environment), he’s the new savior of the GOP. I don’t think so.

MustLoveBlogs on March 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM

We do this because we focus on personalities which is the Media focus.

Focus on the Record of Conservative Governance.

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Right, because him preferring not to have semi-autos in high crime urban areas basically makes him a Dem? Why does that cancel out everything else?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM

It cancels out everything else because it suggests that he believes Constitutional rights are dependent upon something other than US citizenship.

That is an unacceptable position for a Republican candidate to take (and should be unacceptable for any candidate).

Missy on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Right, because him preferring not to have semi-autos in high crime urban areas basically makes him a Dem? Why does that cancel out everything else?
changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Well because he just said something very STUPID…that your right to keep and bear, a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT is dependent on where you live…are you comfortable with a “Conservative” that says a Constitutional Right is geography dependent, at least in the US. So as a trade-off lets suppose he makes the following bargain, “I live in an urban area and so will have fewer 2A rights, but Changer1701 gets fewer SPEECH rights.” Comfy with that?

JFKY on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

So you should only have the right of self-defense if you live in a low crime area whee you don’t need that right as much?

If however you live in a high crime urban areas that is more dangerous; you should have no chance of self-defense… or you should break the law yourself and increase the crime rate.

Did I summarize that point well enough? Does it sound stupid to anyone else?

Why don’t we legislate that only men can get abortions… we’re not banning them outright, just restricting access to a certain segment of the population (women)… that’s ok.. right?

We’ll just ban them for the ones who are most likely to want/need them.

gekkobear on March 4, 2013 at 3:56 PM

I honestly wouldn’t have a problem with that, but it isn’t really a necessary feature for the small arms of a militia

I would be happy at having a wide array of semi-automatic pistols and rifles, ammo and accessories available for immediate purchase.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

I’m now in favor of running a robot for 2016. It is painfully obvious man will fail us. Every f*cking time. I wiould also settle for national divorce or L.I.B.

nobar on March 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Since the sole reason to oppose Dr. Carson’s statement is based on constitutional grounds, why aren’t more conservatives actively pushing for the ability to purchase fully automatic weapons?

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I honestly wouldn’t have a problem with that, but it isn’t really a necessary feature for the small arms of a militia.

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 3:54 PM

But I think this is a fundamental inconsistency. I’m not sure how conservatives can concede the right to own fully automatics but deplore the ability of local governments, most likely urban and liberal, to limit semi automatics. If one if protected under the constitution, why isn’t the other?

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I would be happy at having a wide array of semi-automatic pistols and rifles, ammo and accessories available for immediate purchase.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Where is the ammo? Where is it? I can’t find .22 or 9mm

Where is all the ammo?

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

What did I tell you?! When you all were crowing that Mr. Carson was the second coming? I said his speech was great and that regular American’s would be able to relate to him, but that I couldn’t wait till you guys learned a little more and realized he doesn’t talk or think like he’s on AM radio that you’d turn on him too, just like everyone else.

And here we are. :) Maybe you guys SHOULD listen to me a little more. Saying I told you so so often can be exhausting.

Hard core AM radio conservatives. Shunning anyone who doesn’t sound like the radio while your little island gets smaller and smaller. Keep telling people you don’t need them, and soon enough you won’t have any allies at all.

Wait, DO you have any allies left? Are they only on the radio? Tough position to be in when you’ve been lead to believe its the end of the world if you aren’t listened to and adhered to, canabalizing minority or not.

Hope you all are having a lovely day! :)

Genuine on March 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

To the Leftist Statists, the Constitution is not even relevant as a whole, only the parts that suit their needs at any given time, otherwise to be ignored. And, that, from their POV isn’t negotiable either.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Makes me think of this quote…

Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there it needs no constitution, no law, no courts to save it. – Judge Learned Hand

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Where is the ammo? Where is it? I can’t find .22 or 9mm
Where is all the ammo?
tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

All your ammunition are belong to us.

Regards,

Janet

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM

I would be happy at having a wide array of semi-automatic pistols and rifles, ammo and accessories available for immediate purchase.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Where is the ammo? Where is it? I can’t find .22 or 9mm

Where is all the ammo?

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Local Walmart, last Tuesday, 3:00 pm.
A group of gun owners wondering the same thing.
The main grumble heard?
Obama.

RovesChins on March 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM

But I think this is a fundamental inconsistency. I’m not sure how conservatives can concede the right to own fully automatics but deplore the ability of local governments, most likely urban and liberal, to limit semi automatics. If one if protected under the constitution, why isn’t the other?

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

It is inconsistent, but the fully automatic horse is out of the barn for good. We need to focus on closing the barn door on the rest of the horses being threatened with infringement.

At least that’s how I see it.

Missy on March 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM

The urban/rural distinction was actually a key part of Breyer’s dissent in the Heller case five years ago that established an individual right to bear arms under the Second Amendment:

I could’ve sworn I heard about the 2nd Amendment way back in the second grade…call it 1969.

So was it Breyer’s dissent or the Heller decision that established the right bear arms? What a crazy idea anyway, eh?

BobMbx on March 4, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Urban/Rural

This is a phony dichotomy based on sloppy thinking.

The real dichotomy is Self-Reliant vs Dependent

It is manifested in the “Urban/Rural” meme, but that fails to get to the root. “Rural” people are by nature (or necessity) more “self-reliant” than “urban” dwellers.

Think about it, it’s everywhere. It’s the essence of the “Conservative vs Progressive” thing.

Elites are “dependent”. The “Rich” buy servants. The “Intellectual Elites” ape the “Rich” but can’t afford their own servants, so they want “public servants”. The “public servants” want more work (and money). And there are a few “power freaks” who want to make sure that they control everyone and know that the more dependent people are, the easier they are to control.

Dependence is really bad for human beings. It’s makes really complex and fragile societies. (Easy for “terrorists” to break.) (I could go on, but hopefully you’ll get the idea and start thinking and talking about it.)

CrazyGene on March 4, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Listen to Dr. Carson – give him a chance to speak –

Then judge – but we all need a volume of information – not snipets or sound bites.

jake-the-goose on March 4, 2013 at 4:02 PM

This is a dumb idea but I would vote Dr. Carson over any Dem any day.

thebrokenrattle on March 4, 2013 at 4:03 PM

There is a man who is highly unlikely to ever let us down.

Ditch the rest and go with the best.

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 4:03 PM

If one if protected under the constitution, why isn’t the other?

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Because indoctrination and propaganda are very powerful tools, just being a conservative is no protection against or guarantee that you will not or have not been indoctrinated to some degree, just ask any conservative their opinion on Senator Joesph McCarthy and you will see how powerful and pervasive the Marxist indoctrination program is and how successful it has been.

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Uninvited? Yes? No?

I’m thinking yes or a scheduling conflict.

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Where is the ammo? Where is it? I can’t find .22 or 9mm

Where is all the ammo?

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Try Homeland Security.

Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Genuine is always genuinely stupid, even though I do love her for it.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Genuine on March 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Don’t be a jerk. I-told-ya-so-ism is the dumbest game we play on one another.

thebrokenrattle on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Listen to Dr. Carson – give him a chance to speak –

Then judge – but we all need a volume of information – not snipets or sound bites.

jake-the-goose on March 4, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Too late as he has already blown his own head clean off.

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Genuine on March 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

So you are comfortable with this Constitutional formulation, and IF David Duke agrees and then says, let’s make the right to vote a rural/urban issue, you’ll be Ok with that too??

JFKY on March 4, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Where is the ammo? Where is it? I can’t find .22 or 9mm
Where is all the ammo?
tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Where have all the bullets gone,
Long time passing…..

BobMbx on March 4, 2013 at 4:05 PM

There has never been one conservative person that most of the posters here don’t eventually despise

N Korea might work out better for y’all:)

Redford on March 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM

How so, Redford…oh I see you are saying North Korea hates Conservatives? OR, are you saying we should get in lock-step with the New Dear Leader?

I’m confused….

Why do you all eventually hate/despise every last conservative? Who would you ever support? The person doesn’t exist

N Korea ..you are forced to love the ‘leader’.
JFKY on March 4, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Redford on March 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

But I think this is a fundamental inconsistency. I’m not sure how conservatives can concede the right to own fully automatics but deplore the ability of local governments, most likely urban and liberal, to limit semi automatics. If one if protected under the constitution, why isn’t the other?

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

In one sense it is, but given that the intent of the Second Amendment is to create a citizenry capable of forming a ready and armed militia then a military capable weapon is what we are talking about. That doesn’t include tanks, or naval ships because that wasn’t what the amendment was establishing. So certain limits do exist as they must exist for any right. Since semi-automatics will do the job in question then it seems reasonable to establish the limit there. I could also see allowing fully automatic weapons.

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

But I think this is a fundamental inconsistency. I’m not sure how conservatives can concede the right to own fully automatics but deplore the ability of local governments, most likely urban and liberal, to limit semi automatics. If one if protected under the constitution, why isn’t the other?

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

You can buy and own fully automatic weapons.

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 3:52 PM

What part of that don’t you get?

Look up a Class 3 Federal Firearms License – which applies to AUTOMATIC weapons.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

It cancels out everything else because it suggests that he believes Constitutional rights are dependent upon something other than US citizenship.

That is an unacceptable position for a Republican candidate to take (and should be unacceptable for any candidate).

Missy on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

No, he’s suggesting that high crime, urban areas might be more heavily regulated where semi-autos are concerned. I don’t agree with the logic-they could fall into the hands of a crazy person out in the sticks, too, as could anything else. Aren’t there already different laws and regulations depending on where you live, now?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Right, because him preferring not to have semi-autos in high crime urban areas basically makes him a Dem? Why does that cancel out everything else?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM

He was not merely stating his personal preference, he was demonstrating that when it comes to understanding the United States Constitution and elementary logic he is a complete idiot.

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Yeah.

Mark Levin will be very disappointed…and it will be interesting to see if he makes excuses for it…which he does for his pet candidates…

If someone with the age,intellect and experience of Dr. Carson doesn’t even bother to read the constitution or understand it by now what does that reveal about that person?

It reveals a lot.

*Next*

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

What does their skin color have to do with it?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Do words “trend”, “tendency”, or “correlation” say anything to you?

Archivarix on March 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM

hasn’t this guy burned through his 15 minutes yet? Good grief

gatorboy on March 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Where is the ammo? Where is it? I can’t find .22 or 9mm

Where is all the ammo?

Ah, yes….that which isn’t being amassed by various federal government agencies, is being horded, first come, first serve, by those who fear a complete ban on ammo which would deny them any at all, or a coming apocalypse which would require them to have as much ammo on hand to face it. Or both. And of course, manufactures find it extremely difficult to keep up with such demand. Or so I hear.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM

This argument isn’t even logical. Rights don’t vary by location.

CycloneCDB on March 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Why do conservatives keep playing the left’s game on this issue? The problem with compromise such as this is that it makes those rights noted in the second amendment negotiable.

Instead let us negotiate like we would in business. My starting position is that every able-bodied adult “Must” carry a firearm at all times in public and also have a fully automatic weapon at home (as in Switzerland). This is constitutionally required no matter where one may live.

Now we can start to talk compromise.

PoliTech on March 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM

There is a man who is highly unlikely to ever let us down.

Ditch the rest and go with the best.

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Don’t be a fool, Sessions is just a man, a mere mortal human being, moreover, and most importantly, Jeff Sessions is a politician, he most assuredly will at some point let you down, he cannot avoid it, it is in his nature as both a human being and a politician.

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Right, because him preferring not to have semi-autos in high crime urban areas basically makes him a Dem? Why does that cancel out everything else?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM

The founders gave us the right to bear arms in the SECOND amendment because they understood just how crucial it is for all of us to have the right to defend ourselves from criminals whether they be individuals or governments. If the founders would have thought it not so important they would have mentioned it much later in the Bill of Rights.

Anyone who comprimises this fact is unworthy of consideration.

PierreLegrand on March 4, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I am serious about the ammo thing. I know across the river Olin is cranking out ammo 7 days/week 3 shifts. Where is it all going? Why isn’t it available on the market?

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Dr. Carson, I admire you, but you just aren’t right about this issue.

SC.Charlie on March 4, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Genuine is always genuinely stupid, even though I do love her for it.
Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I know, right?! It’s tough when you just want to be a raged out faux revolutionary and the people you don’t want to listen to end up right, again.

You’re soooo sweet though, like a little puppy. I just want to pat you on your head so bad, smile, then go on about my day. Muah!

Genuine on March 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

This thread is evidence to me that the RIGHT is completely lost.

We are so focused on eating our own – we complete miss the opposition.

The RIGHT is dying of self inflicted wounds.

Aim at the enemy people – not our own.

jake-the-goose on March 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Where is it all going? Why isn’t it available on the market?

Someone in Obama’s admin knows.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

I am serious about the ammo thing. I know across the river Olin is cranking out ammo 7 days/week 3 shifts. Where is it all going? Why isn’t it available on the market?

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 4:08 PM

DHS

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

I am serious about the ammo thing. I know across the river Olin is cranking out ammo 7 days/week 3 shifts. Where is it all going? Why isn’t it available on the market?

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I’m not being sarcastic at all. The government is buying rounds by the billions.

Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

P.S.

Oklahoma Full Auto Shoot And Trade Show

OhEssYouCowboys on March 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM

It cancels out everything else because it suggests that he believes Constitutional rights are dependent upon something other than US citizenship.

That is an unacceptable position for a Republican candidate to take (and should be unacceptable for any candidate).

Missy on March 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Spot on.

dogsoldier on March 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Aren’t there already different laws and regulations depending on where you live, now?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Not for Constitutional RIGHTS…There isn’t a looser Clear and Present Danger test in Ottumwa Falls IA, and a stricter one in Chicago…

The people of Harlan Ky can’t more easily restrict the right of Nazi’s to march, than can the people of Harlem NY.

JFKY on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Try Homeland Security.
Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Waiting for the post apocalyptic thread on the news of DHS purchasing 2700 light armored tanks today.

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Jeff Sessions

Jeff Sessions

Jeff Sessions

Jeff Sessions

Jeff Sessions

Jeff Sessions

Jeff Sessions

Jeff Sessions

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I am serious about the ammo thing. I know across the river Olin is cranking out ammo 7 days/week 3 shifts. Where is it all going? Why isn’t it available on the market?

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I’m not being sarcastic at all. The government is buying rounds by the billions.

Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Aaaand buying Urban minesweeping tanks…and stepping up Drone production…and performing Urban Drills.

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Don’t be a jerk. I-told-ya-so-ism is the dumbest game we play on one another.
thebrokenrattle on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I know, honey. It’s tough when the people steady contributors treat in a consistently jerkish manner turns out to be right, again.

But it does serve a purpose. Perhaps it’ll be remembered next time.

Genuine on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Dr. Ben Carson: Your right to own a semiautomatic should depend on where you live

He’s right: I live in the United States; I should be able to own a semiautomatic handgun.

Jeff Weimer on March 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I should see a guy who used to work at Olin tonight when I go in to work. I’ll ask him whats up.

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

But we have nothing to fear, and should surrender our ‘assault’ weapons.

Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

PoliTech on March 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Nice… Right On…

The Compromise Game:

Player 1: Give me $10,000 (or some other unreasonable demand).

Anything that Player 2 does is a lose for him.

Never play the Compromise Game

CrazyGene on March 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Aim at the enemy people – not our own.

jake-the-goose on March 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Someone who wants to wave away constitutional rights isn’t a friend, or an ally. They are the enemy. That goes ten-fold for those who wish to gut the Second Amendment which is the argument of last resort against tyrants.

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Try Homeland Security.
Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Waiting for the post apocalyptic thread on the news of DHS purchasing 2700 light armored tanks today.

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Domestic Drones are equipped with night vision and software to detect if targets are armed.

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Waiting for the post apocalyptic thread on the news of DHS purchasing 2700 light armored tanks today.

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

They tip over real easy…just sayin’.

BobMbx on March 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I’m unconvinced. Do urban areas need gun control because they have high rates of crime being committed with handguns? Or do they have high rates of crime being committed with handguns because they have gun control? Would urban criminals alter their strategy if every third or fourth person they tried to hijack or hold up was a concealed weapon holder and pulled a gun on them?

Single-variable correlations rarely tell you what you need to know about complex social interactions. Take a look at all the variables John Lott used in his study of the effects of concealed carry. You need to eliminate a lot of alternate explanations before you can claim you’re doing the right thing by relegating city dwellers to fewer civil rights than their fellow citizens in the country.

Socratease on March 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Aim at the enemy people – not our own.

jake-the-goose on March 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Ok, but what IF the enemy is US? Again, here’s someone saying, I hate abortion, BUT I hate my right to Keep and bear…

Dood/doodette it’s 2013….the election isn’t for over 3 years, I don’t have to pick my guy/gal now…..

IF you are comfortable with someone who hasn’t really put a lot of thought into this portion of the US Constitution, fine…me I don’t thnk you have to Lawrence Tribe or Allen Dershowitz to see this is terribly flawed thinking.

JFKY on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

The RIGHT is dying of self inflicted wounds.

Aim at the enemy people – not our own.

I fear many of those “self-inflicted” wounds are the actions of Fifth Columnists” on the “Right” who destroy from the inside at the same time the Left destroys it from the outside.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

But I think this is a fundamental inconsistency. I’m not sure how conservatives can concede the right to own fully automatics but deplore the ability of local governments, most likely urban and liberal, to limit semi automatics. If one if protected under the constitution, why isn’t the other?

Hostile Gospel on March 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

You can buy and own fully automatic weapons.

tom daschle concerned on March 4, 2013 at 3:52 PM

What part of that don’t you get?

Look up a Class 3 Federal Firearms License – which applies to AUTOMATIC weapons.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Have you given much consideration to the phrase “Shall not be infringed”??? Licensing, permitting and registration can only be described in terms of “Infringing upon”, that the burden for owning a fully automatic firearm is substantially greater than for a semi-automatic is indisputable, that the conservative community has long since acquiesced to that increased burden is likewise indisputable. More importantly, that that acquiescence exists at all in an unconscionable violation of both the letter as well as the spirit behind the 2nd amendment.

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

But we have nothing to fear, and should surrender our ‘assault’ weapons.

Washington Nearsider on March 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I live in Texas…

Come and Take It!

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Right, because him preferring not to have semi-autos in high crime urban areas basically makes him a Dem? Why does that cancel out everything else?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Because constitutional rights aren’t optional.

sharrukin on March 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Exactly. And they are not divisible.

Gelsomina on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Please continue to salivate over every melanine-rich person who strays off liberal plantation. All of them will disappoint you. Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Herman Cain, and even fearless Col. Allen West are blacks first, and Republicans second. Never forget it.

Archivarix on March 4, 2013 at 3:46 PM

What about Mia Love, Clarence Thomas, and Thomas Sowell? They all seem pretty solid to me. Mia Pandered to the Ron Paul crowd a little during the primaries, but for some of the people here that is a badge of honor to them. The real answer is all candidates of any race need to be vetted over time. Nothing else will do.

scotash on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Once upon a time certain peoples’ right to vote was pretty dependent on where they lived too.

Spade on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Domestic Drones are equipped with night vision and software to detect if targets are armed.
workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Ssssshhhh. Don’t you know. We are focusing on the sequester molester.

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I fear many of those “self-inflicted” wounds are the actions of Fifth Columnists” on the “Right” who destroy from the inside at the same time the Left destroys it from the outside.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Thought provoking. no doubt

jake-the-goose on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Not for Constitutional RIGHTS…There isn’t a looser Clear and Present Danger test in Ottumwa Falls IA, and a stricter one in Chicago…

The people of Harlan Ky can’t more easily restrict the right of Nazi’s to march, than can the people of Harlem NY.

JFKY on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

There are stricter limits on guns in certain areas, are there not? Per AP’s point, there are holes in Heller that may still allow for the regulation of certain types, which is what Carson is talking about here.

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I live in Texas…

Come and Take It!

workingclass artist on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

The last bastion of ‘SELF’

jake-the-goose on March 4, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Once upon a time certain peoples’ right to vote was pretty dependent on where they lived too.

Spade on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

What’s your point? Is that a justification?

Jeff Weimer on March 4, 2013 at 4:19 PM

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Read Hostile Gospel’s question.

I answered it.

Americans DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON.

That was the point of his post, and mine.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 4, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I fear many of those “self-inflicted” wounds are the actions of Fifth Columnists” on the “Right” who destroy from the inside at the same time the Left destroys it from the outside.
hawkeye54 on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Always somebody else’s fault, huh? Always a perpetrator. Never any personal responsibility. Always victims.

Yeah, Hawkeye, it’s all those evil conspirators out to subjugate and victimize you as good Christian radio listening conservatives.

RAMPANT victim mentality.

Genuine on March 4, 2013 at 4:19 PM

This what happens when people speak too much; they’re so much more appealing before they start jabberin’.

BKeyser on March 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Waiting for the post apocalyptic thread on the news of DHS purchasing 2700 light armored tanks today.
can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM
They tip over real easy…just sayin’.
BobMbx on March 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I wouldn’t be testing out that theory with a shiny new F150.

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Waiting for the post apocalyptic thread on the news of DHS purchasing 2700 light armored tanks today.

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Looks like they are getting ready to invade Arizona and take out Brewer and Arpio.

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Do words “trend”, “tendency”, or “correlation” say anything to you?

Archivarix on March 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM

So a black person will obviously disappoint us because they’re…black, right? Do I have the gist of that correct? What is it that is inherent with their skin color, in your view, that would lead to that?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Nice knowing you, Doctor.

rrpjr on March 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

So you’re saying the 2nd Amendment is flawed? And if you follow the logic within it there should either be no restrictions on home ownership of weaponry (no infringement) including fully automatic and nuclear weapons, or if one ‘infringement’ is ok, that any ‘infringement’ the government desires should be ok?

Is that your position?

BobMbx on March 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Well no one bats a thousand. Self inflected wounds can heal. Its up to the Doctor and the patient. Or in this case the Doctor. Doctor?

Bmore on March 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Wrong answer to a gotcha question, which is designed to trap the guy being questioned. This is the problem for anyone that is not a politician, who is used to lying. The Constitution’s viability is not based on geographical location, within the USA!
Ben just needs to avoid too much face time and lay low until CPAC is finished. He also shouldn’t be crucified for one error!

tomshup on March 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I wouldn’t be testing out that theory with a shiny new F150.

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Strategically placed potholes. And you don’t need a background check to dig a hole.

BobMbx on March 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

What about Mia Love, Clarence Thomas, and Thomas Sowell? They all seem pretty solid to me. Mia Pandered to the Ron Paul crowd a little during the primaries, but for some of the people here that is a badge of honor to them. The real answer is all candidates of any race need to be vetted over time. Nothing else will do.

scotash on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Mia Love failed to win in a Utahn district she should have carried by double digits. She might be a conservative, just an incompetent one. As for Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell. they are not politicians, and aren’t where they are because of their skin color.

Archivarix on March 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM

So a black person will obviously disappoint us because they’re…black, right? Do I have the gist of that correct? What is it that is inherent with their skin color, in your view, that would lead to that?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Take your worn out race card and put it where the sun don’t shine.

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I’m a bit surprised that Democrats haven’t made more of urban/rural logic on guns, punctuated by the federalist approach that Carson endorses here.

Why? They would have to admit that 72.5% of gun-related homicides are committed with handguns and the majority of homicides are committed by African-Americans. It poses the Bill Cosby problem for them. So, instead, they focus on “assault weapons,” which were – WHEN INCLUDED WITH ALL RIFLES – the weapons used to commit only 3.8% of the gun-related homicides in 2011 and shotguns, which were used in 4.2% of the gun-related homicides in 2011. Coincidentally (NOT!), rifles and shotguns are most associated with “white, Southern, Conservative, Christian, redneck men.”

As for the geographic area argument, I don’t think that would pass constitutional muster under the Equal Protection Clause.

Resist We Much on March 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM

The founders gave us the right to bear arms in the SECOND amendment
PierreLegrand on March 4, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Not just No, but absolutely and unequivocally NO. The Founding Fathers did not GIVE us the right to keep and bear arms in the 2nd amendment. They made it indisputably clear that that right already existed and that the United States Government, whether Federal or States was completely and totally bared from ever infringing upon that already existing right.

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Genuine on March 4, 2013

Genuine is always genuinely stupid, even though I do love her for it.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Don’t be a jerk. I-told-ya-so-ism is the dumbest game we play on one another.

thebrokenrattle on March 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Man, you guys weren’t kidding.

CurtZHP on March 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM

So a black person will obviously disappoint us because they’re…black, right? Do I have the gist of that correct? What is it that is inherent with their skin color, in your view, that would lead to that?

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Tribalism is in the genes; it will take thousands of years to squeeze it out. The really smart ones can suppress it by sheer intellectual power, but those are few, far between, and don’t go into politics.

Archivarix on March 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Strategically placed potholes. And you don’t need a background check to dig a hole.
BobMbx on March 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Good thing about potholes. You don’t even need to dig them yourself!

can_con on March 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Is that your position?

BobMbx on March 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Yes.

Now we can talk about reasonable compromise.

You don’t want me to have nukes in my basement, then what are you willing to compromise regarding your fear of my rights?

PoliTech on March 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM

He also shouldn’t be crucified for one error!

tomshup on March 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Calling him out on his mind numbing either stupidity or anti-Constitutionalism does in no way equate to wanting him nailed to a cross, so stop with the Drama Queen routine.

VorDaj on March 4, 2013 at 4:27 PM

The only reason I own semi-automatic handguns is because I live in the city.

Ishmael on March 4, 2013 at 4:27 PM

There are stricter limits on guns in certain areas, are there not? Per AP’s point, there are holes in Heller that may still allow for the regulation of certain types, which is what Carson is talking about here.

changer1701 on March 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The 2A is just being litigated, so the fact tha some places have stricter gun laws than others doesn’t, necessarily, prove anything….Overall, the 1st A is fairly universally applied, becasue the law is more settled.

Think analog…can a state restrict your ability to own and operate a blog, because you live in a city? You may face greater costs, if you operate a blog in a city, BUT can the state say, Changer1701 may NOT operate or comment on a blog, because s/he resides in a hi density urban enviroment?

JFKY on March 4, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I am sensing that many of you seek perfection in any potential candidate for higher office. Good luck with that.

Bmore on March 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM

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