California, net exporter… of residents

posted at 8:41 pm on March 4, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Pro golfer Phil Mickelson found himself in a heap of PR trouble for having the audacity to tell the simple truth about his motivations for looking for an out from California’s onerous tax-code additions, and he isn’t the only upper-income earner thinking about pursuing mitigating financial options — but the bulk of the mass exodus from California in recent years hasn’t actually been comprised from members of the wealthier echelons. A net 3.4 million people have fled California over the past two decades, largely including the young and the restless because of the lack of jobs and affordable living situations — which could quickly be trending towards an accelerated demographic crisis for the heavy welfare state, said Conn Carroll over the weekend:

According to a 2012 University of Southern California study on state demographics, you have to go back to the early 1990s to find a time when more Americans were moving to California than leaving it for other states. Thanks to high housing prices and a weak job market, California is now a net exporter of U.S. citizens to other states.

As a result of this shift, native Californians became a majority of the state’s population only in the last decade. Their numbers will continue to rise. And since foreign immigration is also expected to level off, the report predicts growth will occur “almost all among native Californians, many but not all of whom are the children of immigrants.”

Unfortunately for California, this local-born population is not increasing fast enough to replace the disappearing immigration. The number of Californians under age 18 will virtually halt over the next 20 years, while population growth among those 65 and older will quadruple. The current ratio of one senior for every five working-age residents will become a 3-to-10 ratio by 2020, and 4-to-10 by 2030.

As Allysia Finley adds in the WSJ, California’s outward-bound aren’t mostly the wealthy, but rather a heck of a lot low-education, low- to middle-income earners working in agriculture, construction, manufacturing, hospitality, and etcetera looking for greener pastures away from the economic desert left by the state’s progressive, expensive policies. Sure, California is still a high-tech haven, but their manufacturing industries and labor base are in a steady decline:

But it is ironic that many of the intended beneficiaries of California’s liberal government are running for the state line—and that progressive policies appear to be what’s driving them away. …

Housing in California is on average 2.7 times more expensive than in Texas. The median house costs $459 per square foot in San Francisco and $323 in San Jose, but just $84 in Houston, according to chief economist Jed Kolko of the San-Francisco based real-estate firm Trulia. Housing in California is cheaper inland than on the coast, but good luck finding a job. The median home in Fresno costs $95 per square foot, but the unemployment rate is nearly 15%, compared with 6% in Houston.

California’s staggering labor and energy costs—it has the nation’s most stringent fuel and renewable standards—have helped kill hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs in California’s interior. Note: Those are jobs that traditionally served as entry points to the middle class. The Golden State has shed a third of its manufacturing base over the past decade. …

Meanwhile, small businesses that can’t leave California so easily have been slow to invest because they are financially squeezed. Rents are prohibitive, and Sacramento takes 9.3% of every dollar over $49,000—and 13.3% over $1 million—that an individual or small business owner earns.

Funny how all of those progressive policies are having unintended consequences that hit the hardest the very people they’re intended to help — and that liberal model is getting plenty of stiff competition from more business-friendly, low-tax, economy-boosting states in the meantime.


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“bleeding blue”

Coming to a neighborhood near you…

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Conservatives were wrong. We do not need a fence on mexican border. We need one on the california border. Keep the crazies in the state they screwed up. Or else they will export it elsewhere.

Liberals cannot see the consequences of their actions.

lorien1973 on March 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM

great, except they go to other states and ruin it with their stupidity.

gsherin on March 4, 2013 at 8:45 PM

We’ll pass a law making it illegal to move!

BacaDog on March 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM

I wish they would stay where they are and not move out into the rest of the country to ruin it the way they have ruined California.

Jvette on March 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM

The only problem – and a big one – is they bring their Liberal proclivities with them.

catmman on March 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM

There are still many fruits, nuts, and flakes moving to the land of granola. And, of course, illegal aliens.

RoadRunner on March 4, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Yup, 3.4 million who exercised their right to be stupid…

Sincerely,
Johnny K.

hillsoftx on March 4, 2013 at 8:51 PM

We’ll pass a law making it illegal to move!

BacaDog on March 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM

The Eagles told as fib..

“you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.”

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM

We need Red State re-education centers to help reorient Blue State Americans to economic and political reality once they flee their ruined states and cities.

Punchenko on March 4, 2013 at 8:53 PM

They’ll ruin every other state where they flee. Texas, beware.

Philly on March 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Not to worry, Jerry and the rest of the idiot Democrats will just double down on stupid AND RAISE TAXES.

Just this week, the Excise Tax Board noticed that gas consumption is down. The state hasn’t collected the ‘budgeted’ amount of gas tax money.

Solution? Raise the excise tax!

GarandFan on March 4, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Conservatives were wrong. We do not need a fence on mexican border. We need one on the california border. Keep the crazies in the state they screwed up. Or else they will export it elsewhere.

Liberals cannot see the consequences of their actions.

lorien1973 on March 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM

LOL! But there is some truth to that. The problem is more to do with white liberals who indoctrinate people.

In my view ten illegal Mexicans are less dangerous to liberty than one Berkeley educated Professor of Communism (they obviously don’t call it that…but it is their biggest product) or some teacher who has come from Chicago and who has learned in the Bill Ayers school of child brainwashing.

Illegal immigration are a symptom of a disease, not the cause.

William Eaton on March 4, 2013 at 8:59 PM

What we need here in Florida is an entry tax.

Curtiss on March 4, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Liberals who flee Blue states for Red states should have to take a test that asks them why they’re relocating and to explain the causes of why they’re relocating. If they fail the test, they shouldn’t be allowed to become residents. They can take the test as many times as they like until they get the answers right.

ardenenoch on March 4, 2013 at 9:01 PM

They’ll ruin every other state where they flee. Texas, beware.

Philly on March 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Austin, TX down…
Boise, ID down..
Missoula, MT down..

Wait at tick..

I have been at these places..

And the concentration was at and around the Universities..
And then it spread…

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM

PLEASE keep them out of Texas. BORDER FENCE!!!!

mimi1220 on March 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Housing prices are high right now but within a few years, CA will have every good decent neighborhood and school district totally surrounded by ” communities” of section 8 housing and welfare parasites. The decay has started already.
City politicians are now forcing companies which want to move or expand in CA to build certain amount of ” affordable” housing units before they are given city permits for offices/buildings.
They just did that to Facebook in Menlo Park.

burrata on March 4, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Those progressive policies are working. They are turning red states purple and then eventually they will be solid blue.

Wigglesworth on March 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Didn’t they elect moonbeam?

SparkPlug on March 4, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Didn’t they elect moonbeam?

SparkPlug on March 4, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Was that a movie that Cher was in?
I am struck..

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Just wanted to say that Candy Crowley is a shameless media shill.

SparkPlug on March 4, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Just wanted to say that Candy Crowley is a shameless media shill.

SparkPlug on March 4, 2013 at 9:08 PM

A target by a drone???

Scary..

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Lolz. That was before she bought a new face from the wax museum.

SparkPlug on March 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM lorien1973 on March 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Yep and yep!

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

We’ll pass a law making it illegal to move!

BacaDog on March 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Don’t think the liberals haven’t thought of that. Their heroes in East Germany did it for the same exact reason. They were losing all the educated workers to the capitalist west side.

The Notorious G.O.P on March 4, 2013 at 9:13 PM

That was before she bought a new face from the wax museum.

SparkPlug on March 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

And before she was sexed out..
So I was told…

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Sorry to say but they move to Ga and whine about how much better things were where they came from.

ldbgcoleman on March 4, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Sorry to say but they move to Ga and whine about how much better things were where they came from.

ldbgcoleman on March 4, 2013 at 9:18 PM

In the three cities that I mentioned up threaed..

Same thing you have heard..

But they continue to stick around…

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:20 PM

No no no you folks in CA, with the exeption of a few perhaps, stay there and fix your dang state!

Don’t go anywhere else and bring your infections with you…

Just Go Away!!

Scrumpy on March 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

From my bunker, I can see them leave…

… Adios!

Just wait until they start voting in your states…

… It’s paradise!

/

Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2013 at 9:23 PM

No no no you folks in CA, with the exeption of a few perhaps, stay there and fix your dang state!

Don’t go anywhere else and bring your infections with you…

Just Go Away!!

Scrumpy on March 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

I so agree Scrumpy!!!

Evening all

CoffeeLover on March 4, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I so agree Scrumpy!!!

Evening all

CoffeeLover on March 4, 2013 at 9:25 PM

+100

If you approve :)

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Exodus 10:5 And they shall cover the face of the earth, that one cannot be able to see the earth: and they shall eat the residue of that which is escaped, which remaineth unto you from the hail, and shall eat every tree which groweth for you out of the field:

Exodus 10:6 And they shall fill thy houses, and the houses of all thy servants, and the houses of all the Egyptians; which neither thy fathers, nor thy fathers’ fathers have seen, since the day that they were upon the earth unto this day.

[...]

Exodus 10:13 And Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the LORD brought an east wind upon the land all that day, and all that night; and when it was morning, the east wind brought the locusts.

Exodus 10:14 And the locust went up over all the land of Egypt, and rested in all the coasts of Egypt: very grievous were they; before them there were no such locusts as they, neither after them shall be such.

Exodus 10:15 For they covered the face of the whole earth, so that the land was darkened; and they did eat every herb of the land, and all the fruit of the trees which the hail had left: and there remained not any green thing in the trees, or in the herbs of the field, through all the land of Egypt.

RedPepper on March 4, 2013 at 9:34 PM

+100

If you approve :)

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Went to get a new cup of coffee and returned to read….LOL

CoffeeLover on March 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Like a very bad rash that won’t heal; it just spreads. My fear is that they will invade all 50 states, raise taxes, cause high unemployment, and after they destroy the entire nation, they finally will go back to Cali and we’ll have to start over from zero. And the vicious cycle will continue ad infinitum. Perpetual Californication.

I’m still waiting for the big earthquake that separates California from the rest of the country and it just floats away as its own island – and we mine the water surrounding it to prevent them from fleeing.

Philly on March 4, 2013 at 9:38 PM

CoffeeLover on March 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM

:)

QOTD coming..

Hope to see you..

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Don’t worry…they know what they did wrong there and that they just didn’t try hard enough or invest enough.

trs on March 4, 2013 at 9:38 PM

I’m still waiting for the big earthquake that separates California from the rest of the country and it just floats away as its own island – and we mine the water surrounding it to prevent them from fleeing.

Philly on March 4, 2013 at 9:38 PM

I am sure that when that happens.,
The Universal Connector will be approved by the EPA and be instituted by the first Responders..

If there are funds..

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Electrongod on March 4, 2013 at 9:40 PM

That’s when Big Sis stops buying light armored tanks and spends our tax money on mine sweepers and amphibious vehicles. They have to keep their constituency.

Philly on March 4, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Wow… The Stupid is especially strong in this thread. Is reading comprehension really that difficult?

According to a 2012 University of Southern California study on state demographics, you have to go back to the early 1990s to find a time when more Americans were moving to California than leaving it for other states. Thanks to high housing prices and a weak job market, California is now a net exporter of U.S. citizens to other states.

As a result of this shift, native Californians became a majority of the state’s population only in the last decade. Their numbers will continue to rise. And since foreign immigration is also expected to level off, the report predicts growth will occur “almost all among native Californians, many but not all of whom are the children of immigrants.”

Ok, translation for those whining about “Californian’s” fleeing to their states and screwing them up. It’s not the Californians that are fleeing California. For the last 65 years or so liberal Marxist Progressives have invaded California, from, yea, that’s right.. The other 49 states in the union.

They came here like locust (I call them economic Locust), drawn by California’s economy and then, like all liberals Marxists, they destroyed the very economy that drew them here in the first place. Now, having to face the fruits of their labors, they are fleeing.

Oh, and when they say, “As a result of this shift, native Californians became a majority of the state’s population only in the last decade” what they mean is literally, in the previous decade, as in, in the year 2010, which was the first time since the 1940 that Californian natives out numbered intrastate immigrants. Not illegal immigrants, but immigrants from the other 49 states.

Calling someone who was born and raised until in their mid 20′s or 30′s in Ohio or Pennsylvania a Californian because they have lived here for 3 or 4 years is, well frankly both disingenuous and dishonest. The people who are fleeing are the exact same people who moved here, overwhelmed the native population at the voting booth and crushed the states economy.

Now, the demographic data suggests that the majority of those economic locust are…. returning to their points of origin. In other words, you folks chickens is a coming home to roost…

But hey…. You just go right ahead and keep sniveling and whining about all those evil Californians moving to your states and screwing your states up.

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM

No no no you folks in CA, with the exeption of a few perhaps, stay there and fix your dang state!

Don’t go anywhere else and bring your infections with you…

Just Go Away!!

Scrumpy on March 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

I don’t think you get it Scrumpydodles… Us Californian’s are staying here. We are however sending yawls sons and daughters back home to ya…

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 10:07 PM

As a native Californian, I only wish it were the blues leaving. Then we could get back to being “the state that brought you Ronald Reagan.” Unfortunately, most of the out-migration are sensible people who want to be able to do things to better their lives — leaving behind the corrupted and their FSA.

cthulhu on March 4, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Too bad we can’t go back to States being able to determine their own voter eligibility standards, something completely usurped by the Federal government, and unfortunately also by post War of the Northern Aggression amendments.

A state experiencing California immigration should be able to decide that those residents can’t vote in the state for a minimum of 5 years. Or more.

wildcat72 on March 4, 2013 at 10:20 PM

NO, No, NO you all have it WRONG! I live in the I.E. and we are Conservative, the problem is the Coasties wrecking our economy, We could have a glorious state (like in my youth) but not as long as the Demoncrats run the State,LIB
Bob

Bobnormal on March 4, 2013 at 10:26 PM

And Jerry Brown and his boys are adding another 3.5 cents of taxes on gasoline, already the highest in the country, in July. That will finally kill it for lots of folks, and the exodus will increase. When you drive 30-50 miles to work, it better pay well, or you will be working to pay taxes and gas.

PattyJ on March 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Now, the demographic data suggests that the majority of those economic locust are…. returning to their points of origin. In other words, you folks chickens is a coming home to roost…

But hey…. You just go right ahead and keep sniveling and whining about all those evil Californians moving to your states and screwing your states up.

SWalker on March 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Are they really going back home, or making a detour to a different state victim?

AesopFan on March 5, 2013 at 12:49 AM

In a nutshell, you are seeing the lower and middle class libtards and illegals fleeing looking for a new host to be a parasite to, all the while not placing blame on the liberal elites who have ruined the once Golden state.

Rockshine on March 5, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Perhaps the people and businesses moving will have learned a life lesson, but I doubt it.

Considering how difficult it is to move one would think only the more robust could do so successfully.

One constant remains: Americans ALWAYS get the government[s] they DESERVE!

“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors”. Plato

DannoJyd on March 5, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Living in CA is becoming unbearable. They will do anything to get their hands on your money. For example, I got pulled over for a simple speeding ticket. My first ticket in over 15 years. The cop wrote me up for going 82mph in a 55mph zone even though I was not going nearly that fast. The fine that arrived in the mail was $500. $500 for simple speeding!! I know an 80 year old woman who got stopped by a cop for jay walking and had a fine of over $650, yes, that’s right, $650 for jay walking!! In addition, you are considered guilty until prove your innocence, even if you plea not guilty you still have to pay the fine until you are found not guilty and then they will give you back your money. It has nothing to do with justice anymore, it’s all about getting your money because the state is broke and they can’t stop spending other people’s money that they don’t even have. I gotta get out of this place.

Dollayo on March 5, 2013 at 4:46 AM

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
“Relax, ” said the night man,
“We are programmed to receive.”
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!

Dollayo on March 5, 2013 at 5:05 AM

More Eagles (Don Henley) applicable lyrics:

“You call some place Paradise … kiss it goodbye.”

We’re finally leaving after 24 years, while the getting is good (housing has heated up a bit, likely a second bubble, at least in South Orange County) — headed to Prescott, AZ (where we’re hoping to find mostly conservative-libertarian types, but doubtless a lot of ex-California leftists) …

ShainS on March 5, 2013 at 8:51 AM

But how many of those fleeing California are going to continue voting in the same exact people and policies that forced them to leave in the first place?

Ukiah on March 5, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Yeah, but it’s all the poor people making undr $40k a year or something. All the rich people know what’s good for them and we’re stayin’, baby.

Or something.

Bob's Kid on March 5, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Please stay the hell away from Wisconsin.

We’ve just started cleaning up our trash, and for the first time in years I’ve been able to breathe through my nose without smelling a filthy liberal.

Polish Rifle on March 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

I was fined $109 for crossing the street too slowly and $300 for speeding! It’s their way to make money, believe me. And a new gas tax of 3.5 cents more in July!

I worked in a college, and many of my students would say after graduation, “Thanks for everything. We’re moving out of California tomorrow. Can’t get a job here.” I would tell them, “Do it! Get a job, a house, and start your family and your life. Come back to visit …because it’s not getting any better here soon.”

(Prescott is nice, I know several people who moved there.)

PattyJ on March 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM