A sordid business indeed

posted at 12:31 pm on March 3, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Earlier today, we took a look at some of the fallout from the current Supreme Court case examining certain provisions of the Voting Rights Act. At that time, I mentioned that there was more than a little hypocrisy on display this month from those insisting that it is somehow part of an evil plot to destroy the world for the court to even examine the question. There was one example in particular, however, which really caught my attention last night. In what I’m sure he felt was a delightfully witty attack on the Justices, MSNBC host Chris Hayes tweeted the following:

HayesTweet

Next thing you know, Chief Justice Roberts will be asking why there’s no white history month during oral args

This bit of cleverness was a promotional tweet flogging his latest blog entry, A Sordid Business.

At this week’s Supreme Court oral arguments over the fate of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, conservative hero Antonin Scalia said something instantly infamous when he referred to the re-authorization of the Voting Rights Act as the “perpetuation of racial entitlement.”

Of course, obliviousness to offensive racial rhetoric is nothing particularly new from the conservative justices on the Roberts court in oral arguments. But it’s not just the way the majority in the Roberts court talks about race, it is the way they have gone about declaring unconstitutional practices we use to pursue racial equality in a society that is to this day shockingly unequal.

This would barely be worth a mention if it were simply some sort of unhinged outlier in terms of the chattering class, but this line of alleged reasoning is actually fairly common on the web this week. Both the flawed premise and inherent logical failure of that blog post, along with the trivial question in the tweet mentioned above deserve a brief look, if only to debunk the argument.

First, the blog post opens up with a broadside which declares that broaching the very idea of the perpetuation of racial entitlement – indeed the very notion of such entitlement at all – is “offensive racial rhetoric.” But over the course of the fifteen long paragraphs which follow, absolutely no supporting evidence or argument is offered to defend that assertion. Like so many other arguments in this contentious, highly charged debate, it is expected that the reader will simply agree that anyone asking such questions is a racist and should be considered “offensive” to right thinking, good progressive Americans.

The only “evidence” offered in support of continuing the provisions of the act in question are a lengthy list of perceived “bad laws” passed in the South by the horrible southerners we discussed in the previous column. It’s a great argument if you’re going into this prepared to believe that the picture being painted by Hayes and his cohorts is not only true, but the only possible scenario. Unfortunately, with one small poke at this pile out outrage, it falls into a heap. The very fact that one can so quickly and readily lay their hands on a list of such “bad laws” demonstrates the failure of this argument. These issues are all decided, debated and settled in full public view.

There were many other such laws put forward in states not falling under the restrictions of the VRA in places such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. These included the oh-so-terrible voter ID laws which Hayes rails against in his blog post. Some were overturned, some were upheld and some were delayed. All were given a hearing when challenged up and down the line. And here is the great mystery which Chris Hayes and those screaming from the same balconies can’t seem to wrap their heads around. When legislative bodies in the South pass laws which these same opponents disapprove of, they will go through the same process of challenge and review, traveling – where necessary – far beyond the borders of the state through the federal appeals process. In order for us to accept Hayes’ claim that this is an insufficient safeguard, we must believe that the appeals courts will somehow automatically treat cases coming from the South differently than those from the rest of the nation.

This argument has no basis in reality. What is left, once this fiction is torn down, is a case of progressives seeking to continue a national trend of maintaining a general bias and prejudice against southerners, hoping to punish them for the sins of their great, great grandparents and scoring political points in the process. As I said in the previous column, the great irony here is that this army of race warriors claiming to be waging a battle against prejudice are, in fact, sustaining the real bigotry in this debate. And that’s the real sordid business on display.

In closing, this brings us to the original question which Hayes derided on Twitter. Why is there no White History Month? You can read reams of verbal warfare on the web on this subject, but for progressives who are actually interested in an answer as to why people might even ask this, it’s pretty simple. The problem isn’t that there is no White History Month. The problem is that we live in the 21st century with decades of progress in equality behind us, but we still somehow feel the need to separate people into racially defined camps. If you want to have a “history month” for a group of people, we’re not saying there needs to be a White History Month. We’re saying that all you need is a Human History Month. This entire battle over the last century has been to ensure that we are all recognized as equal human beings, hasn’t it? But apparently not if you happen to be part of the progressive contingent determined to grimly cling to the nightmares of the past to use as cudgels against those who disagree with them in the present. Racism is still a problem today, but it’s not coming from where you think.


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lowandslow on March 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Just because you can’t get past your racism doesn’t mean other are similarly afflicted.

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

That is a lie. Other countries use our history of slavery to condemn us.

HiJack on March 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

…it’s 2:12 PM!…you haven’t had any caffine yet?

KOOLAID2 on March 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Offensive racial rhetoric is rhetorically proximate. Say what ever you want Christopher Hayes and apologize later.

HHW on March 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I hereby claim and announce that I am a British-American!!

Care to tell me my ‘race’?

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Care to tell me my ‘race’?

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

NASCAR.

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Though nearly everything about Jazz’s thinking and writing on race is wrong (and poorly presented, something about writing about race makes the usually creative Jazz fall into conservative cliches). He is write about white northerners fetishization of southern racism and their unwillingness to acknowledge their own. Racism is embedded into the DNA of the nation, it was written into our founding documents via 3/5 clause and as the law has changed continues to find ways to reconstitute itself as a determinant factor in the organization of wealth and power in this society. It has never known one region or time period.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Being a liberal means being able to hold two mutually contradictory principles in your mind at the same time and believing they’re both true. One of the best examples is how liberals “pursue racial equality” by enforcing racial inequality through the force of law. Given that Democrats were the original purveyors of Jim Crow laws, the Klan, segregation, and other instruments of racial repression, one could accurately say that, as a party, they haven’t changed their tactics one iota since the Civil War, but have just changed the targets of their repression.

Socratease on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

NASCAR.

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Nah. That’s American – American. I’d guess Formula 1.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 2:46 PM

NASCAR.

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

lmao ;-)

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 2:47 PM

(and poorly presented, something about writing about race makes the usually creative Jazz fall into conservative cliches). He is write

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Pot. Kettle.

Or is that too racist for this thread?

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:47 PM

NASCAR.

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Nah. That’s American – American. I’d guess Formula 1.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 2:46 PM

He did say British-American, so maybe it’s the steeple chase.

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Being a liberal means being able to hold two mutually contradictory principles in your mind at the same time and believing they’re both true.

Given that Democrats were the original purveyors of Jim Crow laws, the Klan, segregation, and other instruments of racial repression,

You can not agree with Jazz’s posts and make that second claim. Otherwise you are guilty of the first.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

In Louisiana alone:

http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2012/01/racial_bias_alleged_in_jeffers.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/22/louisiana-hate-crime/1650645/

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM

And yet you never hear any black folks talking about “whitey”. Amazing. You are an idiot.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 2:38 PM

It’s always rewarding to hear from a great mind who speaks with such a subtle, intelligent tone.

Racism is real, not imagined.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-levin-jd/hate-groups-splc_b_1331318.html

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

The problem is that we live in the 21st century with decades of progress in equality behind us, but we still somehow feel the need to separate people into racially defined camps.

Seriosuly dude, are trying to make the readers barf?

We’re saying that all you need is a Human History Month.

Apparently I have my answer. This sounds like a post-racial commie from a queer futuristic scifi movie wrote it. Let’s be real. Whites DO legislate against Black interests. Yeah it’s racist, but we don’t want to end up living in Detroit remakes all over the nation. Also, that legislating isn’t nearly as racist as the profit driven prison system that makes money off of victimless crimes and the destruction of the Black nuclear family. Of course that prison system and its attendant recidivism contributes greatly to the rampant Black criminality that requires White collective voting strategems to mitigate.

abobo on March 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Though nearly everything about Jazz’s thinking and writing on race is wrong (and poorly presented, something about writing about race makes the usually creative Jazz fall into conservative cliches).

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Dazzle us with your knowledge of race. What race would you fall into?

Oldnuke on March 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM

It’s always rewarding to hear from a great mind who speaks with such a subtle, intelligent tone.

Racism is real, not imagined.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-levin-jd/hate-groups-splc_b_1331318.html

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

And then you post something from the huffingglue post? As I said – You are an idiot.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Pot. Kettle.

Or is that too racist for this thread?

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:47 PM

You may be write.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I hereby claim and announce that I am a British-American!!

Care to tell me my ‘race’?

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Human, I think. Unless you’re related to Piers Morgan.

RadClown on March 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM

For the sake of argument I will say that I am;

White-African-British-American!

Born in Africa to White British parents now I am an American, so my label fits right?

So I am FORCED to check “Other” on legal forms…

Or submit to checking Caucasian and miss my heritage all together!

Quite the conundum I’d say…

Labels are really really stupid…

All of this is ahem … HYPERBOLE!

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Human, I think. Unless you’re related to Piers Morgan.

RadClown on March 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Yes, I am HUMAN first and foremost.

Thank God not related to that pompous idiot!

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 2:55 PM

[bazil9 on March 3, 2013 at 2:17 PM]

I understand your point, though I think it wrongly phrased and inaccurate, but I chalk that up to the complexity of the subject being hard to express in a short anecdote.

I always liked this rebuttal to Americans grouping themselves, it starts at the 2:29 mark and runs to 3:45.

Still, there are times when I kind of enjoy hearing about our groupings. Start this one at 1:20; it runs to 2:20.

However, on the reason for your point, I tend to agree because the context matters.

Dusty on March 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM

“It isn’t that Liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
Ronald Reagan

Speakup on March 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Pot. Kettle.

Or is that too racist for this thread?

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Well maybe, since you are incorrectly using that idiom. I engaged in a bit of homophonic slippage while typing rapidly, at most its a grammatical error. My critique of Jazz’s piece is that it was poorly written because it was a rehash of conservative cliches. Two very different things and therefore, no where near the pot calling the kettle anything.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Labels are really really stupid…

All of this is ahem … HYPERBOLE!

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM

My twin boys are Italian – Thai – Chinese – Americans or as they call themselves, “Americans”. We used to joke when they were little that the were Thaitalian but as they grew up they dropped that.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM

it was written into our founding documents via 3/5 clause and as the law has changed continues to find ways to reconstitute itself as a determinant factor in the organization of wealth and power in this society. It has never known one region or time period.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Five dollars says libfreeordie thinks white southerners and slaveowners in the 1780s wanted slaves counted as “only” 3/5 of a human being, or not counted as humans at all.

libfreeordie is wrong.

MidniteRambler on March 3, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Yes, I am HUMAN first and foremost.

You may be human first and foremost, but apparently not every government official sees in the election process an inherent responsibility to maximize the participation of all humans across racial, economic, and geographic boundaries.
If anything, the Voting Rights Act should be seen as relevant across the country.

http://gawker.com/5936990/ohio-republican-party-gop-chairman-made-racist-remarks-because-he-thought-he-was-speaking-off-the-record

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:09 PM

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Americans is what we all are whether born here or naturalized…

No matter the ‘label’ bestowed on us…

I just wanted to point to the ridiculousness of labels…

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Racism is embedded into the DNA of the nation, it was written into our founding documents via 3/5 clause and as the law has changed continues to find ways to reconstitute itself as a determinant factor in the organization of wealth and power in this society. It has never known one region or time period.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

You are an idiot. Propaganda has worked so well on you you’ve stopped thinking and merely regurgitate. You’ve succumbed to victimhood mentality. That’s what you now are, and all you’ll ever be unless you start using the brain God gave you.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Americans is what we all are whether born here or naturalized…

No matter the ‘label’ bestowed on us…

I just wanted to point to the ridiculousness of labels…

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Yep.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:15 PM

homophonic slippage

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I thought this was about race not “sexual orientation.”

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 3:15 PM

If anything, the Voting Rights Act should be seen as relevant across the country.

http://gawker.com/5936990/ohio-republican-party-gop-chairman-made-racist-remarks-because-he-thought-he-was-speaking-off-the-record

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:09 PM

His remark isn’t racist you nut. It’s a statement of fact.

The only thing the Voting Rights Act does today is give the democrats an excuse to steal elections.

You’re another propagandized idiot who stopped thinking years ago.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM

You’re another propagandized idiot who stopped thinking years ago.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Then it would be appropriate for election officials in Atlanta to cut down on weekday extended voting hours that cater to whites. Just a statement of fact after all.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I guess I’d rather be write than rong.

Jazz Shaw on March 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM

So, basically, now the charges of racism and racists are being freely directed at the “conservative” members of the Supreme Court when they dare deem to rule on the legal aspects of what is deemed untouchable legislation. I suppose that follows “logically”, when one’s overall premise is the “conservative” = racist and “Republican” = racist.

Isn’t the post-racial America Comrade O has ushered in just great? It has become really easy to identify racists.

And Chief Justice Roberts, you dolt, please take note that your fears have come true even after you bent over and sullied your honor and reputation in a futile and ill advised attempt to avoid such charges.

farsighted on March 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:09 PM

How is that statement racist apart from a Far Left website like Gawker describing it as such?

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I guess I’d rather be write than rong.

Jazz Shaw on March 3, 2013 at 3:20 PM

LOL!

2 whites don’t make a Wong!

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:24 PM

farsighted on March 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Well iterated!!

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Then it would be appropriate for election officials in Atlanta to cut down on weekday extended voting hours that cater to whites. Just a statement of fact after all.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Only allow voting while whitey is at work? Is that what you are saying ?

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM

As I said in the previous column, the great irony here is that this army of race warriors claiming to be waging a battle against prejudice are, in fact, sustaining the real bigotry in this debate. And that’s the real sordid business on display.

Yes, and I’m getting pretty tired of the “white Southerners are the new n_gg_rs” meme that progressives like to push.

Aitch748 on March 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Funny!! (Stress reliever) ;-D

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Then it would be appropriate for election officials in Atlanta to cut down on weekday extended voting hours that cater to whites. Just a statement of fact after all.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Which is why the Ohio SOS tried to make the same changes uniform to all 88 counties, but was stopped.

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Then it would be appropriate for election officials in Atlanta to cut down on weekday extended voting hours that cater to whites. Just a statement of fact after all.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Don’t extended hours cater to everyone? Isn’t Atlanta majority black?

I don’t care what hours are set up as long as every voter proves who they are.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Yes, and I’m getting pretty tired of the “white Southerners are the new n_gg_rs” meme that progressives like to push.
Aitch748 on March 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I’ve never heard that one. Please elaborate.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 3:29 PM

But over the course of the fifteen long paragraphs which follow, absolutely no supporting evidence or argument is offered to defend that assertion.

Of course not. The charges of racism stand on their own. No evidence is required, other than that the individual charged a considered a “conservative” and/or a Republican.

Filling the rest of any article or blog piece with variations on this theme is sufficient. Just point a finger, scream racism, and repeat the charge over and over again. Supporting facts, logic, and reasoning are not required.

farsighted on March 3, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Only allow voting while whitey is at work? Is that what you are saying ?

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I think what bayam is trying to say is everything is racist. Bayam is an excellent useful idiot and will be presented the Useful Idiot Honor badge by David Axelrod at the annual Useful idiot awards later this year.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:31 PM

I think what bayam is trying to say is everything is racist. Bayam is an excellent useful idiot and will be presented the Useful Idiot Honor badge by David Axelrod at the annual Useful idiot awards later this year.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:31 PM

I think libfree will be there as well. I hope I’m write.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Now THAT is an example of the pot calling the kettle black. You should really take an honest look at conservative talking points on race, because that is all they are. Conservatives, as a general rule, know quite a bit about U.S. history, and are woefully, woefully ignorant on the history of U.S. race relations. I am always astonished by conservative students utter incredulity when presented with irrefutable evidence of racial bias. They literally are shocked, because they had been fed the party line on race relations their whole lives. Of course, this is why the right attacks the academy.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

I think libfree will be there as well. I hope I’m write.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

To receive the Useful Idiot Honor badge you have to have the write stuff.

It’s quite apparent that libfree and bayam have the write stuff.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:38 PM

they had been fed the party line on race relations their whole lives. Of course, this is why the right attacks the academy.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

You are using this statement to say that darwin is “pot/kettle thingy? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:39 PM

It’s not like segregation was exclusive to the South. Check out these dot maps showing the racial distributions in major cities in 2000. Plenty of northern cities are as (or more) segregated than southern cities, see for example Detroit, Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia.

agmartin on March 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM

To receive the Useful Idiot Honor badge you have to have the write stuff.

It’s quite apparent that libfree and bayam have the write stuff.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:38 PM

As Jazz pointed out, I hope you are not rong.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I knew the Voting Rights Act was in trouble when Black voting officials started to be charged with voter fraud.
You can’t be locked out of the process when you can think that you have the ability, as an official, to tamper with the vote.

J_Crater on March 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM

But over the course of the fifteen long paragraphs which follow, absolutely no supporting evidence or argument is offered to defend that assertion.

Of course not. The charges of racism stand on their own. No evidence is required, other than that the individual charged a considered a “conservative” and/or a Republican.

Filling the rest of any article or blog piece with variations on this theme is sufficient. Just point a finger, scream racism, and repeat the charge over and over again. Supporting facts, logic, and reasoning are not required.

farsighted on March 3, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Institutionalized racism in the south still occurs and there’s no shortage of evidence and facts.

http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2012/01/racial_bias_alleged_in_jeffers.html

You can also reference the Southern Poverty Law Center but that’s clearly a ‘leftist’ group by definition since it contents that racism against blacks and Jews still exists in this country.

It’s telling that efforts to cut back voting hours for the admitted reason of not ‘catering’ to black voters still happens in this country and ppl on the right suggest it’s not in any way racist.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Don’t you see the hypocrisy of your comments considering that you hate Israel and that you say that all Cubans are the most racist of all Latino groups?

And what’s this academy? Do they teach racial hysteria there?

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM

I’ve never heard that one. Please elaborate.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 3:29 PM

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Racism-And-Discrimination/1473147

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=new%20nigger

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 3:44 PM

I’ve never heard that one. Please elaborate.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 3:29 PM

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Racism-And-Discrimination/1473147

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=new%20nigg er

you will have to close the gap between g and er

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Well maybe, since you are incorrectly using that idiom. I engaged in a bit of homophonic slippage while typing rapidly, at most its a grammatical error. My critique of Jazz’s piece is that it was poorly written because it was a rehash of conservative cliches. Two very different things and therefore, no where near the pot calling the kettle anything.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Do you apply such exacting standards over at DailyKos? When I read DailyKos, I can’t help but note the strident demonization of the right in the blog posts there is about the same level as the demonization of the left in the comments here. You’ve got to expect people commenting on boths sites to have the sorts of strong views that would lead to non-tepid statements. But I far prefer that the bloggers not be leading two minute hates.

thuja on March 3, 2013 at 3:47 PM

It’s telling that efforts to cut back voting hours for the admitted reason of not ‘catering’ to black voters still happens in this country and ppl on the right suggest it’s not in any way racist.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Who admitted that? You?

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Well maybe, since you are incorrectly using that idiom. I engaged in a bit of homophonic slippage while typing rapidly, at most its a grammatical error. My critique of Jazz’s piece is that it was poorly written because it was a rehash of conservative cliches. Two very different things and therefore, no where near the pot calling the kettle anything.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM

As opposed to your writing on race, which is deeply original and doesn’t simply recycle boilerplate rhetorical bull**** from the past 30 years of the masturbatory rantings of black men in academia?

Good Solid B-Plus on March 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Institutionalized racism in the south still occurs and there’s no shortage of evidence and facts.

http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2012/01/racial_bias_alleged_in_jeffers.html

You can also reference the Southern Poverty Law Center but that’s clearly a ‘leftist’ group by definition since it contents that racism against blacks and Jews still exists in this country.

It’s telling that efforts to cut back voting hours for the admitted reason of not ‘catering’ to black voters still happens in this country and ppl on the right suggest it’s not in any way racist.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Racism occurs in the North as well, namely in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Church of Hate and Bigotry which is in Chicago, Illinois.

As for your article, it only cites four incidents. And yes, the SPLC is a “liberal” group that continually lies to pursue a Far Left rhetoric.

This is the same SPLC that accused the Tea Party of orchestrating the shooting of Gabby Giffords and erroneously declared Jared Loghner a member of the Tea Party when the truth was that Loughner was a Far left Liberal, supporting Ho Chi Kerry.

To this day, the SPLC has not apologized nor retracted it’s erroneous findings.

And the SPLC was involved in inciting the shooting of a Family Council research Center last year in Washington DC.

And again, the urban counties in Ohio wanted special treatment in voting vs. the rest of the state, demanding special preferences.

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Meant to quote not strike. I guess I was righting too fast.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Now THAT is an example of the pot calling the kettle black. You should really take an honest look at conservative talking points on race, because that is all they are. Conservatives, as a general rule, know quite a bit about U.S. history, and are woefully, woefully ignorant on the history of U.S. race relations. I am always astonished by conservative students utter incredulity when presented with irrefutable evidence of racial bias. They literally are shocked, because they had been fed the party line on race relations their whole lives. Of course, this is why the right attacks the academy.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

The problem libfree, is that you want to live in the past … and liberals want to keep the past in the present to keep racial hatred alive. Anyone who truly looks at race in America objectively can only come to one conclusion. Liberals have separated people into various groups such as race and gender, and use those groups to attack their political enemies. They stoke anger, hatred and fear.

When members of those groups leave … they are themselves attacked. Black conservatives are made to be seen as “race traitors” and called every name in the book. Women conservatives are routinely sexualized and called vulgar names.

Race today is important only as a weapon to attack political opponents. The left really doesn’t give a damn about blacks, or gays, or women. Liberals constantly create phony problems to keep members of these groups full of anger and hatred at the right.

Look at it this way. If blacks suddenly started voting Republican what do you think the left would do? I think you can guess.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Half of the “2-party” monopoly claims that black people are too lazy, stupid, and helpless to obtain ID, avoid unwanted pregnancy, get a job, or do anything consequential without help from Big Brother. It’s your half.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

It can’t be easy making bayam look thoughtful, good job!/

S. D. on March 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM

I am always astonished by conservative students utter incredulity when presented with irrefutable evidence of racial bias. They literally are shocked, because they had been fed the party line on race relations their whole lives. Of course, this is why the right attacks the academy.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

“Mindless afro-american studies propaganda” = “the facts”? Lulz.

You guys can’t even find enough real manifestations of racism anymore, so you have to resort to nebulous, impossible to falsify claims like “privilege.”

Good Solid B-Plus on March 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM

First, I don’t think you know what “institutionalized racism” is. It means racism practiced by the government under color of the law. Neither of those articles even implies that.

Second, your sources need some work. The Times-Picayune is a terribly leftist paper. And the story starts out with information from the Southern Poverty Law Center – a bigoted outfit if ever there was one. The story says the issue is with arrest disparity, but then goes on to only list four specific examples – which doesn’t equal a “disparity” at all. (And, “racially charged language”? Really? That’s the best they could do? “Oooh! He said a code word! I’m suin’!”)

Third, the USA Today story is so thin as to not even constitute gruel. I will bet that if I dug a bit, I would find that no corroborating evidence was ever found. If they dug deeply enough, this woman would end up being charged with false reporting. The racialists pull this stunt every so often. At least this one wasn’t so stupid as to put the “KKK” in her forehead backward.

Fourth, “racism is absolutely alive and well in the south, as well as every other part of this country” is absolutely correct. Unfortunately for your sort, it’s primarily on the side of the minorities. Can you say LaRaza? I knew you could!

GWB on March 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Racism-And-Discrimination/1473147

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=new%20nigg er

you will have to close the gap between g and er

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Hmmm…still not sure I fully get that one. Maybe I’m not hip enough to understand urban dictionary.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I hereby claim and announce that I am a British-American!!

Scrumpy on March 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Well, I’m French-German-Scots-Irish-Welsh-English-American! I should get … ummm… 6 times the special treatment you get! Nah! :p
(Eight, if you count Pennsylvania Dutch and French Canadian separately! :pp)

GWB on March 3, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Look at it this way. If blacks suddenly started voting Republican what do you think the left would do? I think you can guess.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM

They would suddenly become racists.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 3:58 PM

First, I don’t think you know what “institutionalized racism” is. It means racism practiced by the government under color of the law. Neither of those articles even implies that

That sort of racism can constitute institutional racism, but I’m pretty sure the term is much broader than that.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Racism occurs in the North as well,

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nGw_vAnqPI

davidk on March 3, 2013 at 3:58 PM

This argument has no basis in reality.

Doesn’t matter.

The argument that taking $700 billion in future tax revenues previously slated for Medicare and using them to fund Obamacare does not weaken future Medicare funding had no basis in reality either. It didn’t matter. The Orwellian doublespeak claim that reducing Medicare funding actually strengthened Medicare was swallowed whole, with minimal questioning and criticism by the MSM.

When a nation shifts into full Orwellian Mode reality no longer matters because the electorate can no longer detect what is reality and what is not. Now racism is whatever Democrats, libs, and lefties say it is. And Kafkaesque charges of racism are always assumed true prima facie. Until those charged prove their innocence beyond all doubt they are assumed guilty. And it is impossible to remove all doubt.

farsighted on March 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM

First, I don’t think you know what “institutionalized racism” is. It means racism practiced by the government under color of the law. Neither of those articles even implies that.

GWB on March 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM

“Institutionalized racism” is a catch-all term for the shadowy penumbras of racism, a network of invisible tendrils that splay themselves out like a giant starfish over the entire continental US…nay, the entire world, and secretly, quietly, but undoubtedly advance the cause of keeping the black man down.

In other words, you don’t even have to point out specific policies that are racist…the whole system, hell, the the whole universe is racist, and a black man will never have a fair shot in life.

It’s a perfect cycle of endless victimhood. Shelby Steele writes about this at length in his book “White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era,”

Good Solid B-Plus on March 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Look at it this way. If blacks suddenly started voting Republican what do you think the left would do? I think you can guess.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM

so long as republicans/conservatives keep calling for an end to black history month/institution of white history month, I don’t think there’s a great chance of that happening.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Racism occurs in the North as well, namely in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Church of Hate and Bigotry which is in Chicago, Illinois.

And when did his speech, from a preacher who incidentally is on the front lines of attack against Farrakhan, trying to prevent young blacks from leaving Christianity to join the Muslim ranks, affect the rights of non-blacks? Has he proposed changes to laws that would reduce the opportunities of whites to vote?

And again, the urban counties in Ohio wanted special treatment in voting vs. the rest of the state, demanding special preferences.

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Urban counties including high density areas in Columbus represent a majority of the Ohio electorate so it’s interesting that you describe those counties as demanding ‘special treatment’. The expansion of voting hours to enable a majority of the citizenry to vote isn’t a hand out to special interests.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:01 PM

And when did his speech, from a preacher who incidentally is on the front lines of attack against Farrakhan, trying to prevent young blacks from leaving Christianity to join the Muslim ranks, affect the rights of non-blacks? Has he proposed changes to laws that would reduce the opportunities of whites to vote?

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Voter ID laws would also keep certain white voters from voting, so how exactly are voter ID laws racist?

Good Solid B-Plus on March 3, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Though nearly everything about Jazz’s thinking and writing on race is wrong (and poorly presented, something about writing about race makes the usually creative Jazz fall into conservative cliches). He is write about white northerners fetishization of southern racism and their unwillingness to acknowledge their own. Racism is embedded into the DNA of the nation, it was written into our founding documents via 3/5 clause and as the law has changed continues to find ways to reconstitute itself as a determinant factor in the organization of wealth and power in this society. It has never known one region or time period.

libfreeordie on March 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The biggest racists in America are blacks and White Liberals… Blacks because most of them see everything through the prism of race and they feel entitled to the whites money… White liberals because in the last 50 years they succeeded in the absolute destruction of the black society and made a majority of blacks totally dependent on the taxpayers handouts and in return for the these handouts the blacks vote for the White liberals…

mnjg on March 3, 2013 at 4:04 PM

so long as republicans/conservatives keep calling for an end to black history month/institution of white history month, I don’t think there’s a great chance of that happening.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM

So long as dimbocraps/liberals keep giving free sh!t for doing nothing and continue to convince them that they should not even try to go out and get a job so they can improve their and their children’s lives, I don’t think there’s a great chance of that happening.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 4:05 PM

And when did his speech, from a preacher who incidentally is on the front lines of attack against Farrakhan, trying to prevent young blacks from leaving Christianity to join the Muslim ranks, affect the rights of non-blacks? Has he proposed changes to laws that would reduce the opportunities of whites to vote?

I’m sorry, are racists only the that wish to make changes to outdated voting laws? Who made you Emperor of the Black People?

And please inform me on how saying “God damn Israel” prevents young black males from becoming Muslims? Sounds like Farrakhan to me.

Urban counties including high density areas in Columbus represent a majority of the Ohio electorate so it’s interesting that you describe those counties as demanding ‘special treatment’. The expansion of voting hours to enable a majority of the citizenry to vote isn’t a hand out to special interests.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Incorrect. Urban areas only represent 18% of the Ohio electorate (according to the exit polls), far from a majority.

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 4:08 PM

The biggest racists in America are blacks and White Liberals… Blacks because most of them see everything through the prism of race and they feel entitled to the whites money… White liberals because in the last 50 years they succeeded in the absolute destruction of the black society and made a majority of blacks totally dependent on the taxpayers handouts and in return for the these handouts the blacks vote for the White liberals…

mnjg on March 3, 2013 at 4:04 PM

And I think you’re a racist for saying that blacks and certain whites are racist.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 4:08 PM

It’s a perfect cycle of endless victimhood.

I think the right has a problem when anyone lays a claim to its own image of victimization. Give me my tax break, NOW, I deserve the largest military in the world, all the advantages and infrastructure of a first-world democracy, AND lower taxes than every other Western democracy on the globe. My ancestors paid higher taxes to build this country but I’m special. Let it burn!

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:09 PM

the great irony here is that this army of race warriors claiming to be waging a battle against prejudice are, in fact, sustaining the real bigotry in this debate

No surprise there.

GarandFan on March 3, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Black history is still white history. Whatever progress blacks made in the west, it was done only with the approval of white society. When the majority of whites wanted them enslaved, they were enslaved. When the majority of whites wanted them to be free, the whites freed them. When the majority of whites still wanted them segregated, they were segregated. And when the majority of whites wanted to end segregation, segregation ended.

There is no black history. There is only the history of how white America dealt with blacks.

keep the change on March 3, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Blacks because most of them see everything through the prism of race and they feel entitled to the whites money

Of all the blacks I know, none of them feel entitled to white people’s money. Your words are enlightening.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Ever hear of reparations?

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I think the right has a problem when anyone lays a claim to its own image of victimization. Give me my tax break, NOW, I deserve the largest military in the world, all the advantages and infrastructure of a first-world democracy, AND lower taxes than every other Western democracy on the globe. My ancestors paid higher taxes to build this country but I’m special. Let it burn!

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:09 PM

So now not wanting to pay higher taxes for failed government programs makes me a “victim”?

Sorry bayam, but I can’t quite afford the gasoline to power my ROFLcopter to properly express how stupid that statement is.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 3, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I think the right has a problem when anyone lays a claim to its own image of victimization. Give me my tax break, NOW, I deserve the largest military in the world, all the advantages and infrastructure of a first-world democracy, AND lower taxes than every other Western democracy on the globe. My ancestors paid higher taxes to build this country but I’m special. Let it burn!

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:09 PM

So, not wanting to give up more than 32% (my bracket) of my hard earned money to a bunch of moochers (oh and there are a lot of white moochers as well) makes me a racist. Got it.

VegasRick on March 3, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Of all the blacks I know, none of them feel entitled to white people’s money. Your words are enlightening.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Because the plural of “anecdote” is “data” in bayam-world.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I think the right has a problem when anyone lays a claim to its own image of victimization. Give me my tax break, NOW, I deserve the largest military in the world, all the advantages and infrastructure of a first-world democracy, AND lower taxes than every other Western democracy on the globe. My ancestors paid higher taxes to build this country but I’m special. Let it burn!

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Uh … you claim that people deserve the fruit of others labor.

We have trillions of tax dollars redistributed every year. In fact virtually all taxes collected are redistributed to others. The government has to borrow to run itself and the military. I should say everyone has a right to keep as much of what they earn as possible.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM

My ancestors paid higher taxes to build this country but I’m special. Let it burn!

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Sorry, was the American revolution based on higher or lower taxes?

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Of all the blacks I know, none of them feel entitled to white people’s money. Your words are enlightening.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Because the plural of “anecdote” is “data” in bayam-world.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Where’s the data that most blacks feel entitled to white’s money?

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I’m sorry, are racists only the that wish to make changes to outdated voting laws? Who made you Emperor of the Black People?

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Didn’t you know? Black people can’t be racist because they don’t have enough of an effect on policy. Even if a black person thinks white people should all be herded into camps and shot, it’s not racist, because only powerful people can be racist, and only white people can be powerful in this country.

Oh, you say a black man is President? Doesn’t matter. His ‘puppetmasters’ are white, and he was educated in a white system, so he perpetuates the cycle of systemic and institutionalized racism. It’s in the “DNA of our country,” so we can’t escape it.

I wish this was a parody, but it’s not. This is what people like libfreeordie are teaching students at high-level state universities.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 3, 2013 at 4:19 PM

LOL! no response = too much truth for the crustless gop and the libs. I consider it a compliment. But please, keep talking at one another. :P

abobo on March 3, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Of all the blacks I know, none of them feel entitled to white people’s money. Your words are enlightening.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

You are Lying..

mnjg on March 3, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Sorry, was the American revolution based on higher or lower taxes?

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM

NEITHER – it was based on the British Empire’s loss of legitimacy among it’s subjects. Kinda like what’s happening today.

abobo on March 3, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Sorry, was the American revolution based on higher or lower taxes?

sentinelrules on March 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I thought it was about representation.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 4:22 PM

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Google United States v Ike Brown and Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee. Also, take a look at the Civil Rights Division Voting Section’s Stephanie Celandine Gyamfi, who admitted to committing perjury 3 times; yet, Holder allowed her to retain her position within the DOJ.

Resist We Much on March 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Of all the blacks I know, none of them feel entitled to white people’s money. Your words are enlightening.

bayam on March 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Why would those words be enlightening? Obama has spent his entire time in office bashing people who make $250,000 or more. He tells his following that people who earn are evil and that redistribution is awesome.

It’s only natural that some people now believe they are entitled to earnings. Whites, hispanics, blacks, whatever … it doesn’t matter. Anyone caught up in an entitlement mindframe now think they have a write to them … thanks to Obama of course.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM

It’s only natural that some people now believe they are entitled to earnings. Whites, hispanics, blacks, whatever … it doesn’t matter. Anyone caught up in an entitlement mindframe now think they have a write to them … thanks to Obama of course.

darwin on March 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM

like all the seniors.

red_herring on March 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM

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