Obama trading Keystone XL for a carbon tax?

posted at 11:31 am on March 2, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

There must be some fans of The Walking Dead at the White House and the DNC these days, because there are apparently some bad ideas which never die, no matter how many stakes you drive through them. One of these is the carbon tax, not so subtly invoked during the State of the Union address, and now making a comeback with some of the usual list of suspects in Congress. But this time it may be coming with a twist. You want your Keystone XL pipeline and all of the jobs, opportunity and energy advantages it offers? Well show us the money.

Having failed to lower the sea levels in his first term, President Obama, in the first SOTU of his second term, highlighted the need for fighting climate change and proposed an Energy Security Trust Fund to siphon off money from those who actually produce abundant and useable energy to fund alternative energy sources which constitute a rounding error in the percent of energy produced by various sources.

Two days later, Senators Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., dutifully introduced carbon tax legislation to put the nail in the coffin of those fossil fuels President Obama blamed for causing Superstorm Sandy, droughts and floods, stopping just short of a plague of locusts.

The bill would impose a $20-per-ton fee on so-called carbon polluters allegedly driving climate change.

The timing certainly is curious – assuming you slept through the last decade that is – but the national appetite for a carbon tax doesn’t seem to be there, thankfully. With the price of natural gas remaining low and availability high, combined with discoveries of increasing domestic oil deposits, people in a struggling economy can see the benefits waiting in the wings. Businesses who provide most of the jobs in the country are paying attention as well.

Manufacturing is a key driver of the Dayton-area economy and industry insiders say a carbon tax would hurt a fragile recovery.

“I just think that it’s national suicide,” said Greg Knox, CEO of Franklin-based Knox Machinery. “In talking to my customers, we’re just appalled by the fact the government would choose to consider some of this legislation in light of how many problems we have now in our economy.”

The GOP has managed to get kicked around in the polls pretty badly lately on issues from gun control to the sequester. It might be time to shift the conversation a bit and get back the high ground by focusing on something where there’s a clear majority in favor of their positions. The pipeline and opposition to any form of national carbon tax could be a couple of good places to start.


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Why approve it then? Everyone will be mad.

thebrokenrattle on March 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

proposed an Energy Security Trust Fund

Wonder if that ‘fund’ will be as nifty as our SS ‘trust’ fund is? And who believes for an instant that the money will be put in that ‘fund’ and used for what they say is will be used for?

The un will be happy if that ‘carbon tax’ is passed, they have been wanting this for some time now!

I knew bho/team/d’s would be doing all they can think of to help crater our oil/gas/shale. Can’t have anyone making money unless big bro says so now can we?
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letget on March 2, 2013 at 11:45 AM

There is now virtually no leverage with the Keystone XL pipeline.

TransCanada has be moving forward with the bulk of the pipeline without waiting for Obama to get all his “ducks in a row.”

Meanwhile Canadian PM Harper’s moves with China, setting up a possible market for the oil sands production, has left the State Dept. with a “moot” decision. A “yes” would cause a “carbon” release in the US, while a “no” would cause a “carbon” release in China. The net result of either choice would mean only a change in where it is used.

Even now, if Obama says NO, the pipeline will be used to transport oil production from Montana and Wyoming to Texas.

There is simply no leverage for Obama to exercise.
Obama my huff and puff, but all the air is out of this balloon.

J_Crater on March 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Thus is little more than the spoiled brat’s playground game of: “Either I pitch or I’m taking my ball with me and I’m going home. Tell him to shove it! NO deal! No taxes by blackmail! No holdiomng thre country hostage. To bad the GOP gongress doesn’t play as tough-they have the power but refuse to use it as boldly as the little brat does.

Don L on March 2, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Meanwhile Canadian PM Harper’s moves with China, setting up a possible market for the oil sands production, has left the State Dept. with a “moot” decision. A “yes” would cause a “carbon” release in the US, while a “no” would cause a “carbon” release in China. The net result of either choice would mean only a change in where it is used.

Do we really believe that any socialist cares one hoot about carbon pollution, anymore than they care about cleaning up poverty and losing poor people’s votes?

Don L on March 2, 2013 at 11:52 AM

This is one thing and one thing only, it’s called a new tax.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Do we really believe that any socialist cares one hoot about carbon pollution, anymore than they care about cleaning up poverty and losing poor people’s votes?

Don L on March 2, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Taxes equal power and that’s what this is, another tax, ergo, more power to the self anointed political aristocracy class. (I am beginning to believe that the French Revolution might not have been such a bad thing) Time for a whole lot of America’s political aristocracy to loose their heads.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Well they have gotten away with 4.00 $ a gallon gas .
I haven’t heard any outrage . Have you ?

Lucano on March 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Well they have gotten away with 4.00 $ a gallon gas .
I haven’t heard any outrage . Have you ?

Lucano on March 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Nope, here in Insane Diego California the lowest you can find 87 octane is $3.93 a gallon, the high is $4.99; 91 octane, low is $4.16 while the high is $5.19

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Whatever the problem is, the Democrat solution is always the same: More taxes and bigger government.

Socratease on March 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM

The GOP has managed to get kicked around in the polls pretty badly lately on issues from gun control to the sequester

What polls on gun control?

ladyingray on March 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM

The GOP has managed to get kicked around in the polls pretty badly lately on issues from gun control to the sequester.

Because the GOP hasn’t stood up for anything. In anti-2nd amendment gun-grabbing, the GOP was happy to help the “universal BS background checks” and other various idiotic proposals. In the sequester, the GOP signed onto that POS to begin with, crowed about how great a deal it was (in order to let Barky and the lunatic dems freely spend in an unbedgeted, un-Constitutional way through the election season) and then whined about what the Weeping Boner had formerly thought was such a great thing.

The GOP sucks. Now, they’ll talk about a carbon tax … because they’re cowardly idiots who have been getting beaten up by the dumbest, most inept, incompetent morons that have ever sat in government, led by an ineligible, 84 IQ, dog-eating imbecile who can’t open his mouth without something monumentally stupid spilling out.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Whatever the problem is, the Democrat solution is always the same: More taxes and bigger government.

Socratease on March 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM

And if there isn’t a problem that requires more taxes and bigger government as a solution, that in and of it’s self is a problem requiring more taxes and bigger government.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM

There’s a cost to any sane policy with this crew, isn’t there? They operate like the Mafia: you want to open a restaurant? Pay me my percentage.

PattyJ on March 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Let’s make a deal? For the good of the country and for sake of jobs, I see no reason for the idea of a ‘deal’ to even enter into the discussion, especially one of this nature. What kind of people do we have running this country anymore?

Do Obama and the rest of the Dems think they’re gaining some kind of great legacy by proposing this sort of trash? Given Obama’s popularity, he could have wound up as a truly great president if he wasn’t such a self-centered narcissistic spoiled brat who’s emotionally stuck at age thirteen.

Obama and the other Dems could have guaranteed allegiance to their Party for years if they weren’t such buttnuts about everything.

I know, I know–that would require them to abandon their real intent and purpose.

Anyone who thinks this is a ‘fair trade’ needs to wake up. There shouldn’t be some kind of trade in the first place.

Liam on March 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Ah, there`s the response to the latest State Dept. report on Keystone. A poison pill.

ThePrez on March 2, 2013 at 12:07 PM

The GOP has managed to get kicked around in the polls pretty badly lately on issues from gun control to the sequester.

Because the GOP hasn’t stood up for anything. In anti-2nd amendment gun-grabbing, the GOP was happy to help the “universal BS background checks” and other various idiotic proposals. In the sequester, the GOP signed onto that POS to begin with, crowed about how great a deal it was (in order to let Barky and the lunatic dems freely spend in an unbedgeted, un-Constitutional way through the election season) and then whined about what the Weeping Boner had formerly thought was such a great thing.

The GOP sucks. Now, they’ll talk about a carbon tax … because they’re cowardly idiots who have been getting beaten up by the dumbest, most inept, incompetent morons that have ever sat in government, led by an ineligible, 84 IQ, dog-eating imbecile who can’t open his mouth without something monumentally stupid spilling out.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM

The GOP leadership has been infiltrated by Progressive Liberal Marxists, they are no different than the Democrats.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Taxes equal power and that’s what this is, another tax, ergo, more power to the self anointed political aristocracy class. (I am beginning to believe that the French Revolution might not have been such a bad thing) Time for a whole lot of America’s political aristocracy to loose their heads.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I’m more of a mind that with unions on the wane this carbon tax is meant to be the next untraceable slush fund for the Dems.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on March 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Don’t forget who is behind the Carbon Tax Credit Exchange, hoping for it to be in Chicago. Apollo Alliance, Goldman Sachs, Al Gore, and private seed money invested by…….the Obamas.

If this Exchange gets up and running……

herm2416 on March 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The GOP leadership has been infiltrated by Progressive Liberal Marxists, they are no different than the Democrats.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

You need to stop that truth-thing, there. You’re such a buzzkill and I don’t have a buzz going on. ;-)

Liam on March 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The GOP leadership has been infiltrated by Progressive Liberal Marxists, they are no different than the Democrats.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The leadership are power-hungry half-wits who regularly lose at tic-tac-toe. I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the rank and file who pass what the leadership feeds them. There’s more of a cowardly, stupid streak running through them.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM

What makes any of you think the GOP won’t go along with this? In light of their self-imposed debasement on immigration, 2nd Amendment, gay marriage, etc., ad nauseum, why would you think this would the line in the sand? They’re cut us all short as soon as a poll comes out favoring a carbon tax as a “reasonable” way to get the pipeline built? They,and particularly the party “leadership”, are spending most of their time running around looking for someone to surrender to. A pox on both their houses.

Hucklebuck on March 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM

The GOP leadership has been infiltrated by Progressive Liberal Marxists, they are no different than the Democrats.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

You need to stop that truth-thing, there. You’re such a buzzkill and I don’t have a buzz going on. ;-)

Liam on March 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

ROTFLMAO… I got this comment over at my blog…

Why Conservatives, despite being the majority, continue to loose.
KatherineW Mar 1, 9:34 pm

Wow i always hope that conservatives aren’t really crazy, but I keep reading stuff like this and I have to concur they are, to borrow a phrase, totally batshlt crazy. Oh, but the wishful thinking ‘majority’ part was hysterical! Thanks for the laugh.

It is a perfect example of the insanity of the left.

wolverinefan says:
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Thank you KatherineW for posting a perfect example of an Alinsky tactic!

Wolverine’s rely was utterly priceless and 100 percent dead on the money.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Is there a way he can blame the gop for this?

Can he somehow twist this into a because the republicans won’t do X then I can “in good faith” approve the Keystone?

If so then there is your answer.

Unless the Democrats (aka American COMMUNISTS) have their hand in the cookie jar to make $$$$$$ off the deal then it depends on who is paying for those $500,000 meetings with Obama.

PappyD61 on March 2, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Chris Christie just got a woody.

Mr. Arrogant on March 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Obama is an eternal azzhole.

Schadenfreude on March 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM

A pox on both their houses.

Hucklebuck on March 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Amen to that brother. I wrote this back in December mostly as tongue in cheek sardonic humor (Yes, I do a lot of sardonic humor on my blog) But I’m feeling more and more that it should be a serious party, rather than merely sardonic humor.

Welcome to the Stout Hemp Rope Party…

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

The Rs can go to Hades. They enable the Lilliputian in Chief. For that, they should be destroyed.

Schadenfreude on March 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

ROTFLMAO… I got this comment over at my blog…

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Well, then, Buzzkill…You’re bringing down my low with you being right so often! LOL

Liam on March 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Obama and his evil cabal want this passed as much as anything. The carbon exchange is based in Chicago and his buddies are all invested in it. The Clintons and Al Gore as well.

Theses people are nothing but thieves. They have no problem misusing their elected authority to steal whatever they want. They should all be removed from office for dereliction of duty and jailed for racketeering as they await trial for treason.

I expect the GOP to go right along with them on this and then try to claim a victory for bi-partisan stupidity or something…

ROCnPhilly on March 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Simply call his hand. Every time. Every single time.

pat on March 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Simply call his hand. Every time. Every single time.

pat on March 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I rather see someone slap his face. But that’s just me.

Liam on March 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Build the damn fence pipeline!!

Jackasses.

BigWyo on March 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Build the damn fence pipeline!!

Jackasses.

BigWyo on March 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

They can’t, they raised taxes to pay for it, and then spent that tax money giving Obama morons free Obama phones, no money left.

SWalker on March 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Lordy, lordy so many misinformed people here.

The TYPE of crude oil, a blend of syncrude (after being strip mined) from upgraders & produced crude (from oil wells) comes down as a nice heavy crude of approximately 20 API gravity. This TYPE of crude will go to refineries presently IMPORTING crude from VENEZUELA to fit their process units and product stream. Chavez is on his deathbed.

The pipelines proposed to Canada’s West Coast will be to sell SOME of it overseas and the majority of it to refineries in California. California refineries were built to process local crude (3 of the largest oilfields ever discovered in the U.S.) which is heavy crude and VERY heavy crude.

Additionally, 10′s of thousands of acres are up for lease this year by BLM for the Monterey Shale Formation, in California. This shale formation lies underneath the 3 large, and much depleted, giant oilfields of California. Two main players already have much of the private land under lease to drill, frac (I use the oilfield spelling not the media one) and produce.

Kermit on March 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

No tax. No trade. No deal. No way.

Screw Obama. The pipeline can wait, if need be, for this zealot to be replaced.

petefrt on March 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Obama trading Keystone XL for a carbon tax?

The only response from Boehner that I would deem acceptable is:

“You get nothing. I get that for free”

BobMbx on March 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Obama bundlers reap huge profit in Chinese oil deal. They sure had good timing buying that stock before the deal was given approval by the Treasury Department.

http://freebeacon.com/china-deal-benefits-obama-donors/

Wigglesworth on March 2, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Two days later, Senators Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Bernie Sanders, IC(communist) -Vt., dutifully introduced carbon tax legislation to put the nail in the coffin of those fossil fuels President Obama blamed for causing Superstorm Sandy, droughts and floods, stopping just short of a plague of locusts

…how in the Fluke do these people stay in office?

KOOLAID2 on March 2, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Chris Christie just got a woody.

Mr. Arrogant on March 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM

…and he still can’t see it!

KOOLAID2 on March 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Was I asleep, HOW has the GOP been “kicked around in the polls” by GUN CONTROL, Jazz?

JFKY on March 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Maybe a smart conservative that can
string two words together should get
out in front of this obvious move that
Mr. Despicable will make .
Yah , a lot of assumptions on the smart ,
conservative , words thing .

Lucano on March 2, 2013 at 1:05 PM

If it’s bad for the country, Barry is for it.

He wants HIGH fuel prices.

GarandFan on March 2, 2013 at 1:48 PM

This is more than a tax. It is a brand new carbon tax “Hey we finally figured out how to bottle it” meter on every home and business! And Lucano is right, it is optimistic of us to think establishment repubs aren’t just secretly salivating at the brilliance of the added revenue maker the dems devised, while waiting their chance to regain power (await their turn at the money trough)
Anybody notice a year or two back Hillary working to see to it “all cook stoves in China were manufactured with the same standards” or some such? (Thank you AP news)The same standards as in carbon use readible standards?
And you thought she was just sitting around with her thumb up her embassy.

onomo on March 2, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Wigglesworth on March 2, 2013 at 1:00 PM

It doesn’t mean that they get a drop of oil. Export of oil is ONLY from Alaska and that is part of the bill which allowed the pipeline from the North Slope to be built. Nexen is a minor player in the GoM and mostly invests in leases owned by others as a minor partner and not as the lease holder/operator.

Kermit on March 2, 2013 at 2:27 PM

One. Issue vote

Keystone only

Makes the dems own it

Anyone with fortitude to change this?

audiotom on March 2, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Far as I know pipeline is being built here in ND. But maybe that’s just for our local stuff to hook up to the main pipelines.
ONe thing I know, ND is a mess without pipeline.
Our roads are getting hammered to death & traffic south from Watford city to Dickinson is the biggest damned nightmare you ever saw in your life.
We need pipeline to save our state from traffic hell.

Badger40 on March 2, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I’ve made my last deal with these devils.
Lighter, faster, bullet…deadly at much longer range.
The most deadly round in the asassins arsenal is the 40 grain, .22 LR, HP.
The most deadly round in the sniper’s arsenal is whichever one he chooses.
III/0317

dirtengineer on March 2, 2013 at 7:29 PM

I hate taxes too.

So, cap and trade and carbon tax are the devil.

What then do we do to reduce greenhouse gas emissions? Is there a pain-free way that works?

oakland on March 2, 2013 at 8:10 PM

We need a new Conservative Party and all us true Conservatives can let the Dem’s and what is the Dem lite party join into what they really are. The same.
Tea party anyone???????

jtpcamp on March 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

What then do we do to reduce greenhouse gas emissions? Is there a pain-free way that works?

oakland on March 2, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Why do you accept the premise of that question?

whbates on March 3, 2013 at 10:52 AM

For a combined-cycle power plant running on natural gas at 60% thermal efficiency, a $20 per ton CO2 tax would add about 0.7 cents per kwh to the price of electricity, probably raising everyone’s electic bills by about 5 to 6%. This would not be an incentive to “capture” CO2, because capturing CO2 and compressing it uses over 20% of the power generated, not to mention the huge capital cost of the absorption equipment. Power companies would simply pay the tax and pass the extra cost to the consumer.

But the big gainer would be, of course, the US Government. With average consumption over 300 Gigawatts = 2.6 trillion kwh/year, that 0.7 cents / kwh will bring in $16 billion per year, and reduce the deficit by a whopping 1%.

Steve Z on March 3, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Oakland go take a look at the AGW crowds 2000-2003 ten year forecasts and then look at current conditions.

Slowburn on March 3, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I’m glad the Senate is attempting to introduce bills to raise revenue, in blatant violation of the U.S. Constitution. Saves time; nothing to debate.

John Kettlewell on March 4, 2013 at 4:52 AM