Report: DOJ to ask Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage in California — and beyond?

posted at 8:21 pm on February 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

The news here isn’t that O’s weighing in on the side of Ted Olson and David Boies. Technically he doesn’t need to get involved, but good luck explaining that to his base if he sits this one out and the decision comes back 5-4 in favor of upholding Prop 8 four months from now. They’ll want to know why he didn’t lend the imprimatur of the presidency to the biggest gay-rights case in U.S. history. What’s he supposed to tell them? That he needed to keep up the charade that he’s in any way opposed to court-imposed legalized gay marriage for just a little bit longer?

The news also isn’t that O’s revealing himself once again to have been a liar on this issue. When he ran in 2008, he pretended to be against gay marriage to parry Republican claims that he was a devout liberal rather than the centrist “post-partisan pragmatist” his campaign touted him as. He finally dropped the facade last year — it’s politically safe now to support gay marriage, even in the GOP (sort of) — but he’s continued to insist that this issue should be left to the states because … I’m not sure why. Literally no one believes he sincerely feels that way, and since he’d already taken the plunge by endorsing legal gay marriage, he had little to gain politically from his phony federalism. The best I can do by way of a theory is to guess that O, instinctively, likes to posture as a “moderate” even when he’s pushing reliably liberal positions. (E.g., “the balanced approach.”) It’s good for his brand as the “reasonable” adult in the room in Washington, a vestigial version of the pragmatic independence he feigned in summer ’08. Plus, I suppose he might have thought that posing as a federalist on SSM would cushion the blow for opponents once he revealed his support for legalization. It’s not as big of a deal to find out that the president thinks gays should be allowed to marry if he’s qualifying that by saying you should get decide to your home state’s rules. But that was nonsense, as the DOJ’s brief confirrns, and anyone who didn’t see through it instantly is a fool.

No, the news is that the DOJ might be aiming higher than just Prop 8. No one’s seen their amicus brief yet as I write this, but both Politico and WaPo have sources hinting that this might be bigger than legalizing gay marriage in California. They might be making a play for the entire United States. Politico:

The Obama Administration is expected to take a strong stand Thursday in favor of marriage rights for gay and lesbian couples Thursday, filing a legal brief urging the justices to striking down Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that banned same-sex marriages in the state, a source familiar with the brief said.

In literal terms, the arguments in the Justice Department brief were limited to Prop. 8, but the legal conclusions amount to an argument that all bans on same-sex marriage violate the U.S. Constitution.

WaPo:

The Obama administration on Thursday will ask the Supreme Court to overturn California’s ban on gay marriage and take a skeptical view of similar bans elsewhere, according to a person familiar with the government’s legal filing in the California case.

While the administration’s friend-of-the-court brief in the Proposition 8 case does not call for marriage equality across the United States, it does point the court in that direction.

A Supreme Court ruling in line with the administration’s argument could have broad implications and almost certainly expand the rights of same-sex couples to wed.

Remember, the Ninth Circuit’s ruling striking down Prop 8 was deliberately written narrowly so that it would apply only to California. That was a strategic decision; the thinking was that the Supremes would be more likely to uphold the ruling knowing that the consequences were limited to one state, not all 50. Then, once that decision was on the books as precedent, lower federal courts around the country would/could use it to strike down gay-marriage bans in their own jurisdictions. The Ninth Circuit’s plan was, in other words, an incrementalist plan for legal gay marriage nationwide. Turns out that the DOJ might argue more aggressively than that and call, explicitly or implicitly, for legalizing gay marriage nationwide right now. Even if the brief limits itself to discussing only California, if the DOJ argues broadly that Prop 8 is unconstitutional because gays should have the same right to marry as straights under the Equal Protection Clause, then by that logic all gay-marriage bans everywhere in the U.S. are unconstitutional. The Supreme Court, if it sides with that logic, will implicitly make SSM legal everywhere. I thought Obama would once again be the fake centrist pragmatist on this by arguing against Prop 8 but doing it narrowly enough that his brief wouldn’t have national implications. Sounds like I was wrong.

Stand by for updates as we finally see the brief. Exit quotation from CNN: “Sources told CNN that Obama made the final decision over whether to file a brief and what to say.”

Update: The brief is out and it is indeed broad. I’m embedding it below, via BuzzFeed; scroll down to the “Summary of Argument” section starting on page 6. In a nutshell, the DOJ rejects the traditional arguments against gay marriage, most notably that marriage is for straights because it’s ultimately about procreation, and specifically endorses the legal theory that gays, like other minority groups that have been discriminated against historically, should enjoy special protection under the Equal Protection Clause. If the Court agrees with the DOJ on both of those points, it’s hard to see how any SSM ban anywhere survives. However, the DOJ does leave the Court with a tiny bit of wiggle room:

The Court can resolve this case by focusing on the particular circumstances presented by California law and the recognition it gives to committed same-sex relationships, rather than addressing the equal protection issue under circumstances not present here. Under California law, same-sex partners may “enter into an official, state-recognized relationship,” i.e., a domestic partnership. Pet. App. 48a. State law grants domestic partners all of the substantive rights and obligations of a married couple: domestic partners have “the same rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law * * * as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.” Cal. Fam. Code § 297.5(a). Same-sex partners in California may, inter alia, raise children with the same rights and obligations as spouses; adopt each other’s children; gain a presumption of parentage for a child born to or adopted by one partner; become foster parents; file joint state tax returns; participate in a partner’s health-insurance policy; visit their partner when hospitalized; make medical decisions for a partner; and,upon the death of a partner, serve as the conservator of the partner’s estate. Pet. App. 49a-50a. California has therefore recognized that same-sex couples form deeply committed relationships that bear the hallmarks of their neighbors’ opposite-sex marriages: they establish homes and lives together, support each other financially, share the joys and burdens of raising children, and provide care through illness and comfort at the moment of death.

Proposition 8 nevertheless forbids committed same-sex couples from solemnizing their union in marriage, and instead relegates them to a legal status—domestic partnership—distinct from marriage but identical to it in terms of the substantive rights and obligations understate law.

In other words, by passing a domestic partnership law that’s entirely the same as marriage except in name, California’s effectively admitting that there’s no substantive reason to deny gays the right to call themselves “married.” It’s pure discrimination, withholding the label from them just to remind them that they’re different. If the Court buys that logic, then in theory its decision could be limited to California and the three other states (Nevada, Oregon, and Washington) that have similarly broad partnership laws. Every other state with a gay-marriage ban would be safe from their ruling — for the moment. But of course, if the Court rules that way, then they’re creating a perverse incentive from the pro-SSM perspective for other states to strip gays of rights that have already been granted to them legislatively (via domestic partnership, civil unions, etc) so that they can argue in court that gays are “substantively” different under the law and therefore don’t deserve marriage rights. That possibility is why the DOJ spends so much time in the brief arguing against all the traditional justifications for banning SSM; they’re making a robust constitutional case because they want the logic of the Court’s ruling, if not the holding itself, to ensure legalization coast to coast. We’re a long way from summer 2008, if only rhetorically.

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First!

crrr6 on May 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

It’s tough to compete with a corrupt Santa Clause.

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

First!

crrr6 on May 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Missed by that much :)

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

But the lady who headed that office, Sarah Hall Ingram, is now in charge of the IRS office for Obamacare.

Put there by Obama with a bonus to say…
Job well done..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I am still waiting for another shoe to drop, the sharing of Federal data with OFA so they could target areas better for the election.

rob verdi on May 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

This IRS thing gets creepier by the minute. It makes me feel so good they are going to be in charge of our healthcare.

Thank goodness I never go to the doctor.

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 PM

I don’t know why anyone is surprised, it’s simply the Chicago Way writ large.

JimK on May 18, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I am still waiting for another shoe to drop, the sharing of Federal data with OFA so they could target areas better for the election.

rob verdi on May 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Drudge’s editor tweeted a couple days ago that there was one more shoe.

Not sure if it fizzled but maybe there is the smoking gun ready to go.

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 8:41 PM

To a large extent the multiple crises engulfing the Obama administration are economic and informational — it’s a rebellion against the cost of lying. The sheer mendacity of key institutions has jacked up the risk premium on everything, and people instinctively know this

Had seen all of the other articles except this one, and it is worth reading the whole thing to put in perspective the existential damage caused by these scandals .

AesopFan on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Krauthammer predicted if it is discovered that the White House had any connection to it, it would become a “fatal problem” for the White house.

Lololol, Charles. A fatal problem for Obama is if he continues to take GOP hacks like yourself seriously.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

You better shut up..
You better not dissent…
You better not protest…
I’m telling you why..
The IRS is coming to town…
It’s making a list..
And checking for key words…
Gonna find out who’s supports Obama or not…
The IRS is coming to town…

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Krauthammer argued the IRS one is the easiest for the public to digest since it’s an agency that can do quite a bit of harm to people. And while there is no evidence yet that Obama was involved

What ? There is no evidence yet that Obama was involved ?
Really ?
If it is true, why TF is the woman of IRS who targeted TEA Partiers is now the one dispensing Obamacare in the same IRS ?
Why is she not being punished by Hussein ?

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM

“They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner…”

Somehow I believe that Obama knew what was about to drop with the IRS and AP and was already on damage control. These criminals belong in prison.

Someone go interrogate tax cheat Geithner about what he knew before he flew the coop (just before Treasury was informed by IG that an investigation was coming). How long was the IG on discovery prior to that warning? Put them all under oath.

Philly on May 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Last!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Lololol, Charles. A fatal problem for Obama is if he continues to take GOP hacks like yourself seriously.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Take a deep breath. You are getting hysterical.

Count to 10 on May 18, 2013 at 8:46 PM

One more thing GOP

Bengha-Zzzz: Hillary Clinton’s Approval Rating Ticked Up A Point During Benghazi Hearings

http://www.mediaite.com/online/bengha-zzzz-hillary-clintons-approval-rating-ticked-up-a-point-during-benghazi-hearings/

So continue the show trials. It’s been fun to watch.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:47 PM

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

If Zero had accomplished 1/10th of what that ‘hack’ has accomplished…

annoyinglittletwerp on May 18, 2013 at 8:47 PM

So continue the show trials. It’s been fun to watch.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Glad to see you all glee for a woman that doesn’t give a shit about you or me..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 8:49 PM

The only thing that would kick Miller out of his arrogant “you can’t touch me” attitude would be to pull his pension and stick him with an enormous fine with the condition that he give up the goods and tell the damn truth.

Without pain there is no truth to be seen..

katy on May 18, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Drudge’s editor tweeted a couple days ago that there was one more shoe.

Not sure if it fizzled but maybe there is the smoking gun ready to go.

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 8:41 PM


Just my 2¢

There are an Imelda Marcos’s closet full of shoes still to drop.

The SCOAMF Administration is the child of the Daley Machine. They CHOSE the thug life.

And the AP scandal was allowed out to scare the hell out of anyone thinking of dropping another shoe.

PolAgnostic on May 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Shouldn’t you be at your cub scout meeting right now looking for a date?

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 8:51 PM

it’s a rebellion against the cost of lying

Worth reading.

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 8:52 PM

PolAgnostic on May 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Oh I agree with you.

Hopefully there is our generation’s Deep Throat to blow this sucker sky high.

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

S.E. Cupp is a nitwit.

jawkneemusic on May 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

We are at a point now where you can make a list of things that, all combined and allowed to continue, can kill America.

America has already been killed. We are living in the American Socialist Superstate. The only solution is a national divorce and restoring our Constitutional foundation in the new nation. This one is toast. Thanks, in part, to idiots like this worm at the WSJ who want to do away with the concept of national sovereignty, erase our borders, and devalue citizenship until it’s nothing but a back-breaking burden for those dumb enough to have it.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

AesopFan on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Missed your post…

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

DirectorBlue has a fabulous list of Bat face, I mean Ogabe’s accomplishments.

President Barack Obama’s Complete List of Historic Firsts [Updated]

Yes, he’s historic, alright.

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

• First President to send 80 percent of a $16 billion program (green energy) to his campaign bundlers and contributors, leaving only 20% to those who did not contribute. (Source: Washington Examiner)
• First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts (Source: Wall Street Journal)
• First President to issue an Executive Order implementing a “Racial Justice System”, a system that tries to achieve “racially equivalent outcomes” for crimes (Source: Daily Caller)

• First President to Leak Confidential IRS Tax Records to Groups Aligned Politically With Him for Partisan Advantage (Source: The Hill Newspaper)
• First President to Use the EPA to Punish Political Enemies and Reward Political Allies (Source: Competitive Enterprise Institute)
• First President to Send Millions in Taxpayer Dollars to His Wife’s Former Employer (Source: White House Dossier)

So much pride in this man.

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Now we know how so many people in his administration dodge their taxes with impunity, eh?

justltl on May 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

With great power comes great responsibility. The greater Mr. Obama’s power, the less responsible he becomes.

Yeah. That’s gonna leave a mark…

JohnGalt23 on May 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Glad to see you all glee for a woman that doesn’t give a shit about you or me..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 8:49 PM

.
Facists worship Il Duce (whoever he or she may be) and view everyone and everything as expendable.

Just like Maher, this troll has no values, no conscience and no shame.

Those of you who respond to it are only lending credibility to an evil agenda.

PolAgnostic on May 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Glad to see you all glee for a woman that doesn’t give a shit about you or me..
Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 8:49 PM

As long as she prevents me from someday calling these current crop of GOP hacks Mr. President, I’m good.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM

As long as she prevents me from someday calling these current crop of GOP hacks Mr. President, I’m good.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM

She will certainly prevent you from enjoying prosperity and liberty, but we can safely assume that is what a pillow-biter like yourself would prefer. slave.

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I smell a tax revolt. Actually I pray for a tax revolt. A big, fat national tax revolt that is so devastating that the 16,000 plus armed IRS agents simply can’t handle the massive numbers…

katy on May 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I think it is time for another all star studded party at the white house. A night of high entertainment curtsy of Hollywood’s best.

Cracked Crab & Lobster for everyone!

We are going to stream it live so the tax payers can see what they are getting for their most expensive welfare recipient in history!

No choice of K-Y or Vaseline just bend over and pay for the evening and your audit… ;)

Tilly on May 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I’m good.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM

HAHAHAHAHA…you’re a petty little pervert who won’t be good until everyone is brought down to your level. You’re a slimey slug that crawls on it’s belly in the middle of the night and if I came across you, I’d step on you with the heel of my shoe.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Glad to see you all glee for a woman that doesn’t give a shit about you or me..
Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Ever wonder how Hussein and Killery and thier anti-American anti-national fascist blind worshippers celebrated the assasination of 4 Americans in Benghazi ?

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Karl Denninger has had it.

Fast And Furious (guns for drug lords, resulting in murder of Americans and Mexicans)

Robosigning (over 100,000 perjured affidavits filed in court cases)

IRS Tea Party and other group and individual abuse in direct violation of the law (politically-based harassment and now apparently-perjured testimony before Congress)

Money Laundering for terrorists and drug lords (by multiple large banks)

Intentional and unlawful destruction of property rights (GM bondholders screwed for political cronies in the UAW)

Intentional and unlawful destruction of your saved wealth (QE, QE2, QE3, QEinfinity, $1 trillion+ deficits, etc; Treasury and Federal Reserve actions)

Benghazi (apparent illegal arming of terrorists, then an attempt to reverse that leading to the attack on our CIA outpost and what appears to be intentional indifference and orders to stand down during the attack that had to come from the White House despite ability to respond; this amounts to conspiracy with the terrorists to kill Chris Stevens and the others who died.)

Swindles by the billions in countless schemes during the 2000s related to securitizations and other hinky deals (where despite black letter legal requirements for actual endorsement and delivery of documents banks simply did not comply and now argue there should be no penalty for not having done so, and that these defects are “mere procedural errors” despite intent to not comply.) The result is that our land title system no longer has any resemblance of integrity.

Intentional destruction of anything approaching a “free market” for health care going back 30+ years and now compounded through active conspiracy by Obama and all of the political parties to grant, protect and enforce through government monopolies and cost-shifting resulting in cost escalations of 500-1,000% or even more against market prices and now, with Obamacare, abuse of the IRS tax power to force another 100% or more increase in those expenses down your throat for the express purpose of enrichment of those in the medical industry.

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

No. It’s people like you that are doing the best they can to prevent peace loving Americans from enjoying liberty and prosperity.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/05/16/why-the-underwear-bomber-leak-infuriated-the-obama-administration/

It hadn’t occurred to me until I had read and thought about this part:

Last, the leaks of information — including those from the lips of Brennan, Clarke and King — signal to potential allies that America can’t be trusted with secrets. “Leaks related to national security can put people at risk,” as Obama put it today in a news conference.

The ultimate audience for the leaks investigation may not be domestic but foreign. Obviously, the government wants to root out the secretspillers. But a country can’t expect foreign intelligence agencies to cooperate if it blows cover of such an operation. I’d wager that the investigations have only begun.

.
… in context of the Russians “burning” not just the klutz with a wig but the CIA station Chief in Moscow …

… perhaps some of the SCOAMF Administration scandals are being fed by foreign intelligence organizations willing to undertake some “regime change” of their own.

Fascinating possibility, eh?

PolAgnostic on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

One more thing GOP Bengha-Zzzz: So continue the show trials. It’s been fun to watch.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:47 PM

“What Difference Does It Make”

THIS PART YOU DON’T KNOW, BUT SHOULD.
AMERICAN VALOR, BENGHAZI, LYBIA:

The stunning part of this story is that Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty killed 60 of the attacking force.Once the compound was overrun, the attackers were incensed to discover that just two men had inflicted so much death and destruction.
The news has been full of the attacks on our embassies throughout the Muslim world, and in particular, the deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others in Benghazi, Libya.
However, there’s a little known story of incredible bravery, heroics, and courage that should be the top story.
So what actually happened at the U.S. embassy in Libya? We are learning more about this every day. Ambassador Stevens and Foreign Service officer Sean Smith, along with administrative staff, were working out of temporary quarters due to the fact that in the spring of 2011 during the so-called Arab Spring, the United States cut ties with then president Moammar Gadhafi. Our embassy was looted and ransacked, causing it to be unusable. It is still in a state of disrepair.
Security for embassies and their personnel is to be provided by the host nation. Since Libya has gone through a civil war of sorts in the past 18 months, the current government is very unstable, and therefore, unreliable
A well-organized attack by radical Muslims was planned specifically targeting the temporary U.S. embassy building. The Libyan security force that was in place to protect our people deserted their post, or joined the attacking force. Either way, our people were in a real fix. And it should be noted that Ambassador Stevens had mentioned on more than one occasion to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, that he was quite concerned for his personal safety and the welfare of his people. It is thought that Ambassador Stevens was on a “hit list.”
A short distance from the American compound, two Americans were sleeping. They were in Libya as independent contractors working an assignment totally unrelated to our embassy. They also happened to be former Navy Seal’s.
When they heard the noise coming from the attack on our embassy, as you would expect from highly trained warriors, they ran to the fight. Apparently, they had no weapons, but seeing the Libyan guards dropping their guns in their haste in fleeing the scene, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty snatched up several of these discarded weapons and prepared to defend the American compound.
Not knowing exactly what was taking place, the two Seal’s set up a defensive perimeter. Unfortunately Ambassador Stevens was already gravely injured, and Foreign Service officer, Sean Smith, was dead. However, due to their quick action and suppressive fire, twenty administrative personnel in the embassy were able to escape to safety. Eventually, these two courageous men were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers brought against them, an enemy force numbering between 100 to 200 attackers which came in two waves. But the stunning part of the story is that Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty killed 60 of the attacking force. Once the compound was overrun, the attackers were incensed to discover that just two men had inflicted so much death and destruction.
As it became apparent to these selfless heroes, they were definitely going to lose their lives unless some reinforcements showed up in a hurry. As we know now, that was not to be. I’m fairly certain they knew they were going to die in this gun fight, but not before they took a whole lot of bad guys with them!
Consider these tenets of the Navy SEAL Code:
1) Loyalty to Country, Team and Teammate,
2) Serve with Honor and Integrity On and Off the Battlefield,
3) Ready to Lead, Ready to Follow, Never Quit,
4) Take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your teammates,
5) Excel as Warriors through Discipline and Innovation,
6) Train for War, Fight to Win, Defeat our Nation’s Enemies, and…
7) Earn your Trident every day
Thank you, Tyrone and Glen. To the very last breath, you both lived up to the SEAL Code. You served all of us well. You were courageous in the face of certain death.
And Tyrone, even though you never got to hold your newborn son, he will grow up knowing the character and quality of his father, a man among men who sacrificed himself defending others. Dr. Charles R. Roots
Senior Pastor
Former Staff Sergeant,
USMC Captain,
U. S. Navy Chaplain Corps (Ret.)

Bengha Zzzzz indeed. HILLARY GAINED A POINT!!!! WEEEEE Now you know why most posters here think you are a douchebag hack.

VegasRick on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I smell a tax revolt. Actually I pray for a tax revolt. A big, fat national tax revolt that is so devastating that the 16,000 plus armed IRS agents simply can’t handle the massive numbers…

katy on May 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Which is why the IRS is expecting “Homeland Security” (SS Leader) Janet Incompetano to have all that ammunition ready should the peons not go into the shackles willingly.

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

If the Obamanation gives a campaign speech to Schrodinger’s cat, is the cat dead or alive?

Old Country Boy on May 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

As long as she prevents me from someday calling these current crop of GOP hacks Mr. President, I’m good.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM

You don’t pay a mortgage or rent, a car payment and bills do you?

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I see the IRS+ OBcare ad’s for 2014,
already.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Totally OT but better than talking to the troll.

Does anybody have a Nook glow touch and do you like it?

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM

No. It’s people like you that are doing the best they can to prevent peace loving Americans from enjoying liberty and prosperity.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

So prosperity comes in the mail in the form of a EBT card?

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM

PolAgnostic on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

“Leaks related to national security can put people at risk,”

says the dipstick who outed the Dr who located Osama and then ended up in a paki prison !

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM

So prosperity comes in the mail in the form of a EBT card?

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM

and lotion !

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM

GG-my dad does..likes it.
all I can tell ya.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Here here

Philly on May 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM

GG-my dad does..likes it.
all I can tell ya.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Thanks!

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 9:12 PM

The emotional impact of Benghazi was probably this: if he could do this to Stevens and to SEALs, then he could do it to anybody.

What I would like to know is were the drones that gave live feeds from Benghazi armed or not,I would like proof either way.

http://nation.foxnews.com/benghazi/2013/04/12/obama-intel-director-pentagon-drones-were-libya-benghazi-attack

If you note the drones in this photo appear to be armed. Is it routine to send them out unarmed?

rodguy911 on May 18, 2013 at 9:12 PM

@gg
sure. wish I had more! lol

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

He’s an affirmative action twofer, black and gay. He doesn’t have to do anything but Be and everything is handed to him on a silver platter just for being who he is.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

VegasRick on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

You cannot reason with the unreasonable.

Nice job drawing and quartering him never the less…

Tilly on May 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I smell a tax revolt. Actually I pray for a tax revolt. A big, fat national tax revolt that is so devastating that the 16,000 plus armed IRS agents simply can’t handle the massive numbers…
katy on May 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

There is always that option of moving to one of those African third world countries you know. You can get away with not paying a dime in taxes there.

Over here in the USA, some of us still don’t mind paying for the good roads and security we get from our government.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

No. It’s people like you that are doing the best they can to prevent peace loving Americans from enjoying liberty and prosperity.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

By living my life, obeying the law, paying taxes, and being productive?

You mad.

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Over here in the USA, some of us still don’t mind paying for the good roads and security we get from our government.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Yeah right. Like you’ve ever carried your own weight even to the welfare office.

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:16 PM

So many people are sad about America and cynical about its government. They don’t expect anything good to happen. They think certain poisons have entered the system and nothing can be done about it. Leviathan will not be cut back or tamed, Leviathan will go on abusing the citizen. People are all too willing to believe the Internal Revenue Service is hopelessly political in its judgments and actions. They are not shocked. They don’t think anything can be done, that the system cannot be corrected. They just grip the arms of the seat and wait for the weather to get worse.

But cynicism aids and abets deterioration.

Peggy,

If Americans don’t believe tomorrow will be better than today, they stop being Americans. People have farmed land just to get a house built; they believed their children would be able to start with both the land and the house. They were right, their children did, and we moved forward. Without this attitude, we’re European.

Without confidence that you will give me fish and chips for my fiver, I stop accepting fivers in exchange for work. The currency breaks down. I stop saving for a rainy day. I stop investing. I stop.

The word you want is pessimism, not cynicism. People aren’t being cynical. The people you are describing are hopeless, not unreasonably suspicious of other people’s motives.

Can you tell them things will be better tomorrow, or not?

Here’s your summary:

It is a matter of profound public need that the U.S. government show and prove that it is capable of correcting itself, that Leviathan can stop itself.

. . . So, I suppose not.

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Over here in the USA, some of us still don’t mind paying for the good roads and security we get from our government.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

But some of us don’t like paying twice as much for half the goods..
Why some just sit on their butts waiting for EBTs..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Him too?
Or same..LFD’s sock?
Lots of black,gay trolls.
errr phumft.

What up homie? Got me a burn at the beach today.
Crap waves but gorgeous day and evening.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

rodguy911 on May 18, 2013 at 9:12 PM

The article said they were unarmed and just for surveillance.

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

So prosperity comes in the mail in the form of a EBT card?
Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:09 PM

And you are the fool who continues paying for those EBT benefits while b!tching on HA aren’t you?

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:18 PM

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Oh I dunno. A Randy Weaver on every corner would be too much for any federal agency to handle.

When they go after just one. It’s easy.

katy on May 18, 2013 at 9:19 PM

No. It’s people like you that are doing the best they can to prevent peace loving Americans from enjoying liberty and prosperity.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The Democratic Party are, at their very heart, anti-Liberty. And in their very mind and very soul, they are anti-prosperity…

JohnGalt23 on May 18, 2013 at 9:19 PM

He’s an affirmative action twofer, black and gay. He doesn’t have to do anything but Be and everything is handed to him on a silver platter just for being who he is.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Are him and LFD the same person?

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM

And you are the fool who continues paying for those EBT benefits while b!tching on HA aren’t you?

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Yep..
There’s a box right on my 1040 that lets me fill in the amount I want to contribute..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:22 PM

There is always that option of moving to one of those African third world countries

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Why bother. I’m there.

Speaking of taxes… are you up to date on your quarterly 1099 payments from Media Matters

katy on May 18, 2013 at 9:23 PM

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Hey!! Didn’t beach it today…floated in my ghetto pool with a couple drinks and cigs. I don’t go to the beach on the weekend…too many aliens make it like Coney Island.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

But some of us don’t like paying twice as much for half the goods..
Why some just sit on their butts waiting for EBTs..
Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

But you are quick to subsidize the big oil and big defense companies by paying their portion of taxes correct? Until I hear a good argument as to why you would rather pay their portion of taxes while crying a river over the measly ebt benefits the unfortunate are getting, I will never take you folks seriously.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Yep..
There’s a box right on my 1040 that lets makes me fill in the amount I want to contribute..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Slight correction

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Are him [HAL] and LFD the same person?

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM

LFD: on meds but cheap generics.
HAL: completely off his meds
nonbrain: Ain’t no capsule strong enough.

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM

HAL you’re boring. Nothing new.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

the first time i read these paragraphs at The Blaze…honestly i thought this person must be a nut. But actually, not so much. San Diego State, WSJ and King’s College…not so much

It all started with a phone call she received at her home in May of that year — a call during which Hendershott was told she would be audited. A letter that followed on May 19, 2010 solidified the IRS’s request to meet her in person two months later in July. While IRS investigations are certainly not uncommon occurrences, the professor believes that the situation surrounding hers was more-than-curious.

“The IRS calls my house and says … ‘I just wanted to let you know that we’re going to be auditing your business’ and I said ‘My businesses?’ and he said, ‘You know the expenses you take off for writing,” the academic recalls.

this has been mentioned in the comments at least once at HA, but I don’t think i’ve seen it in the headlines etc. It is a story of nasty people…machine people harassing a woman of letters…harassing her so that she’ll stfu

these are the golden days for the left…the thrill of power running thru their whole body. And, no, there’s really no reason to think that HAL or any of the lefties that troll here are children in their mother’s basement.

more likely they are much like the rest of us, at least middle aged, except that they are unreconstructed leftists…probably working for the Feds…or some not for profit.

if you haven’t yet, read the blaze story…this is who they are

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/15/exclusive-prominent-catholic-prof-claims-irs-audited-her-after-speaking-out-against-obama-and-demanded-to-know-who-was-paying-her/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hendershott

r keller on May 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

But you are quick to subsidize the big oil and big defense companies by paying their portion of taxes correct?
HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Straw.Zzzzzz.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Coinkadinkally, Libfree and HAL are both supposedly black/gay/professors…weird huh? Although HAL purportedly lives in DC Dupont Circle and Libree has not divulged his location.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

The depraved mind of the liberal, guided by the seven deadly sins; wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony. Calling good evil and evil good. The fools are illogical and don’t get cause and effect relationships. They are like bratty 5 year olds. Gimme Gimme Gimme.

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 9:28 PM

while crying a river over the measly ebt benefits the unfortunate are getting, I will never take you folks seriously.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

A lazy parasite is not someone ” unfortunate”

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 9:29 PM

But you are quick to subsidize the big oil and big defense companies by paying their portion of taxes correct? Until I hear a good argument as to why you would rather pay their portion of taxes while crying a river over the measly ebt benefits the unfortunate are getting, I will never take you folks seriously.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

It starts with folks like you..
You vote?
Your friends?

If you want prosperity..
You better work at it..
Not vote for it..

And spread the message..

Simple..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:29 PM

and Libree has not divulged his location.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

u apparently missed a few things…

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:29 PM

HAL’s a welfare whore . That is quite obvious.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 9:29 PM

But you are quick to subsidize the big oil and big defense companies by paying their portion of taxes correct? Until I hear a good argument as to why you would rather pay their portion of taxes while crying a river over the measly ebt benefits the unfortunate are getting, I will never take you folks seriously.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

It’s ok honey we dont take you to seriously either.

I think your mother is calling you up from the basement for dinner. You might want to hurry along.

Tilly on May 18, 2013 at 9:30 PM

VegasRick great post!
As you know Woods and Doherty were killed when they lit up a lazer they had.The terror types intercepted their lazer signal and they were killed. I’m wondering if Woods and Doherty had assumed that the drone in the area was probably armed and they wanted to light up where the terror types were located?

rodguy911 on May 18, 2013 at 9:30 PM

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Cool.
I have family in town…took them to a local spot.
Was chill.
Few drinks myself and cigs.
Your my type of person. :)

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:31 PM

and Libree has not divulged his location.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

A bus station restroom somewhere IIRC. Can’t remember if he said which one.

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM

You cannot reason with the unreasonable.

Nice job drawing and quartering him never the less…

Tilly on May 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

it usually does not respond to me anyway and that is fine by me. Loser gubmint sucking whore. Heartless no morals and a coward.

VegasRick on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Hey eejit!

Oil companies already get to keep very little of each $ they make. Most of it goes to big gov.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

By the way, no one and I mean no one who works hard and pay taxes enjoys seeing lazy people take advantage of our welfare system.

Unfortunately, the problem we have with conservatives is that they are quick to excuse the so called “job creator” from paying their fair portion of taxes. Ironically, these same cons dont mind driving on the good roads they refuse to pay for though.

Then they b!tch and moan about wasteful spending. How the heck do you have any credibility with cutting unnecessary spending when you all cherry pick what your definition of unnecessary spending is.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Unfortunately, the problem we have with conservatives is that they are quick to excuse the so called “job creator” from paying their fair portion of taxes. Ironically, these same cons dont mind driving on the good roads they refuse to pay for though.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Do you think these Big Oil companies make their profits and then throw it under a big mattress?

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM

By the way, no one and I mean no one who works hard and pay taxes enjoys seeing lazy people take advantage of our welfare system.

Unfortunately, the problem we have with conservatives is that they are quick to excuse the so called “job creator” from paying their fair portion of taxes. Ironically, these same cons dont mind driving on the good roads they refuse to pay for though.

Then they b!tch and moan about wasteful spending. How the heck do you have any credibility with cutting unnecessary spending when you all cherry pick what your definition of unnecessary spending is.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Warn a girl will ya – I was drinking when I read this. Now I have to go clean up my computer screen.

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM

I’m wondering if Woods and Doherty had assumed that the drone in the area was probably armed and they wanted to light up where the terror types were located?

rodguy911 on May 18, 2013 at 9:30 PM

EXACTLY! They are real pros. They did not “light up” the bad guys without “KNOWING” that there was a drone to react. That is why barky and the other murderers are so afraid of this crime they commited. Please God, let the truth come out.

VegasRick on May 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:29 PM

What’d I miss??? lol…I miss quite alot lately, it’s called senility. Back in the 60′s I tried to be a cool hippy chick, that didn’t last very long. Life slapped me upside the head and I quickly was brought down to earth. People like HAL and the rest of them need a good slap.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

This is what happens when you vote for a community organizer with no experience to be the leader of a nation. He is an absolute failure and therefore yes, you could call him a cancer of the presidency. Were going to need a noble man of great character and scruples to replace him, because he will have a lot of work to do to make the people trust this government again. Romney may not have been the most popular GOP candidate, but we’d be in better shape now if he’d been elected. Honesty goes a long way in leading a country.

scalleywag on May 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

HAL and can you please quit being dishonest about the reality of corporations?

…. USA Today recently published the top-10 list of companies paying the highest 2012 U.S. income taxes, and oil industry companies took three of the slots. Number one was Exxon Mobil at $31 billion, followed by Chevron at $20 billion, and sixth was ConocoPhillips at $8 billion. That is about $60 billion in taxes among them, more than the other seven companies on the list-including Apple and Microsoft-combined.

Just quit.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Another day, another HA thread polluted by troll turds.

farsighted on May 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM

And, no, there’s really no reason to think that HAL or any of the lefties that troll here are children in their mother’s basement.

r keller on May 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I never suggested he was a child at all.

And I resent being referred to as “middle age”…lol ;)

Tilly on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Loser gubmint sucking whore. Heartless no morals and a coward.

VegasRick on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Aaaawwww….now c’mon…didn’t you see the excuse about why welfare whors are welfare whors ?
They are welfare whors because oil companies and defense companies don’t pay their fair share of taxes .
So parasites have to get on welfare and mooch off the taxpayers.

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 PM

when you all cherry pick what your definition of unnecessary spending is.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

The irony.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Do you think these Big Oil companies make their profits and then throw it under a big mattress?
Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Yes I do. No biz owner with a brain starts a company simply to create jobs. They start companies to benefit themselves and their shareholders. Hiring is a necessary evil.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM

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