Report: DOJ to ask Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage in California — and beyond?

posted at 8:21 pm on February 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

The news here isn’t that O’s weighing in on the side of Ted Olson and David Boies. Technically he doesn’t need to get involved, but good luck explaining that to his base if he sits this one out and the decision comes back 5-4 in favor of upholding Prop 8 four months from now. They’ll want to know why he didn’t lend the imprimatur of the presidency to the biggest gay-rights case in U.S. history. What’s he supposed to tell them? That he needed to keep up the charade that he’s in any way opposed to court-imposed legalized gay marriage for just a little bit longer?

The news also isn’t that O’s revealing himself once again to have been a liar on this issue. When he ran in 2008, he pretended to be against gay marriage to parry Republican claims that he was a devout liberal rather than the centrist “post-partisan pragmatist” his campaign touted him as. He finally dropped the facade last year — it’s politically safe now to support gay marriage, even in the GOP (sort of) — but he’s continued to insist that this issue should be left to the states because … I’m not sure why. Literally no one believes he sincerely feels that way, and since he’d already taken the plunge by endorsing legal gay marriage, he had little to gain politically from his phony federalism. The best I can do by way of a theory is to guess that O, instinctively, likes to posture as a “moderate” even when he’s pushing reliably liberal positions. (E.g., “the balanced approach.”) It’s good for his brand as the “reasonable” adult in the room in Washington, a vestigial version of the pragmatic independence he feigned in summer ’08. Plus, I suppose he might have thought that posing as a federalist on SSM would cushion the blow for opponents once he revealed his support for legalization. It’s not as big of a deal to find out that the president thinks gays should be allowed to marry if he’s qualifying that by saying you should get decide to your home state’s rules. But that was nonsense, as the DOJ’s brief confirrns, and anyone who didn’t see through it instantly is a fool.

No, the news is that the DOJ might be aiming higher than just Prop 8. No one’s seen their amicus brief yet as I write this, but both Politico and WaPo have sources hinting that this might be bigger than legalizing gay marriage in California. They might be making a play for the entire United States. Politico:

The Obama Administration is expected to take a strong stand Thursday in favor of marriage rights for gay and lesbian couples Thursday, filing a legal brief urging the justices to striking down Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that banned same-sex marriages in the state, a source familiar with the brief said.

In literal terms, the arguments in the Justice Department brief were limited to Prop. 8, but the legal conclusions amount to an argument that all bans on same-sex marriage violate the U.S. Constitution.

WaPo:

The Obama administration on Thursday will ask the Supreme Court to overturn California’s ban on gay marriage and take a skeptical view of similar bans elsewhere, according to a person familiar with the government’s legal filing in the California case.

While the administration’s friend-of-the-court brief in the Proposition 8 case does not call for marriage equality across the United States, it does point the court in that direction.

A Supreme Court ruling in line with the administration’s argument could have broad implications and almost certainly expand the rights of same-sex couples to wed.

Remember, the Ninth Circuit’s ruling striking down Prop 8 was deliberately written narrowly so that it would apply only to California. That was a strategic decision; the thinking was that the Supremes would be more likely to uphold the ruling knowing that the consequences were limited to one state, not all 50. Then, once that decision was on the books as precedent, lower federal courts around the country would/could use it to strike down gay-marriage bans in their own jurisdictions. The Ninth Circuit’s plan was, in other words, an incrementalist plan for legal gay marriage nationwide. Turns out that the DOJ might argue more aggressively than that and call, explicitly or implicitly, for legalizing gay marriage nationwide right now. Even if the brief limits itself to discussing only California, if the DOJ argues broadly that Prop 8 is unconstitutional because gays should have the same right to marry as straights under the Equal Protection Clause, then by that logic all gay-marriage bans everywhere in the U.S. are unconstitutional. The Supreme Court, if it sides with that logic, will implicitly make SSM legal everywhere. I thought Obama would once again be the fake centrist pragmatist on this by arguing against Prop 8 but doing it narrowly enough that his brief wouldn’t have national implications. Sounds like I was wrong.

Stand by for updates as we finally see the brief. Exit quotation from CNN: “Sources told CNN that Obama made the final decision over whether to file a brief and what to say.”

Update: The brief is out and it is indeed broad. I’m embedding it below, via BuzzFeed; scroll down to the “Summary of Argument” section starting on page 6. In a nutshell, the DOJ rejects the traditional arguments against gay marriage, most notably that marriage is for straights because it’s ultimately about procreation, and specifically endorses the legal theory that gays, like other minority groups that have been discriminated against historically, should enjoy special protection under the Equal Protection Clause. If the Court agrees with the DOJ on both of those points, it’s hard to see how any SSM ban anywhere survives. However, the DOJ does leave the Court with a tiny bit of wiggle room:

The Court can resolve this case by focusing on the particular circumstances presented by California law and the recognition it gives to committed same-sex relationships, rather than addressing the equal protection issue under circumstances not present here. Under California law, same-sex partners may “enter into an official, state-recognized relationship,” i.e., a domestic partnership. Pet. App. 48a. State law grants domestic partners all of the substantive rights and obligations of a married couple: domestic partners have “the same rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law * * * as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.” Cal. Fam. Code § 297.5(a). Same-sex partners in California may, inter alia, raise children with the same rights and obligations as spouses; adopt each other’s children; gain a presumption of parentage for a child born to or adopted by one partner; become foster parents; file joint state tax returns; participate in a partner’s health-insurance policy; visit their partner when hospitalized; make medical decisions for a partner; and,upon the death of a partner, serve as the conservator of the partner’s estate. Pet. App. 49a-50a. California has therefore recognized that same-sex couples form deeply committed relationships that bear the hallmarks of their neighbors’ opposite-sex marriages: they establish homes and lives together, support each other financially, share the joys and burdens of raising children, and provide care through illness and comfort at the moment of death.

Proposition 8 nevertheless forbids committed same-sex couples from solemnizing their union in marriage, and instead relegates them to a legal status—domestic partnership—distinct from marriage but identical to it in terms of the substantive rights and obligations understate law.

In other words, by passing a domestic partnership law that’s entirely the same as marriage except in name, California’s effectively admitting that there’s no substantive reason to deny gays the right to call themselves “married.” It’s pure discrimination, withholding the label from them just to remind them that they’re different. If the Court buys that logic, then in theory its decision could be limited to California and the three other states (Nevada, Oregon, and Washington) that have similarly broad partnership laws. Every other state with a gay-marriage ban would be safe from their ruling — for the moment. But of course, if the Court rules that way, then they’re creating a perverse incentive from the pro-SSM perspective for other states to strip gays of rights that have already been granted to them legislatively (via domestic partnership, civil unions, etc) so that they can argue in court that gays are “substantively” different under the law and therefore don’t deserve marriage rights. That possibility is why the DOJ spends so much time in the brief arguing against all the traditional justifications for banning SSM; they’re making a robust constitutional case because they want the logic of the Court’s ruling, if not the holding itself, to ensure legalization coast to coast. We’re a long way from summer 2008, if only rhetorically.

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SparkPlug on May 18, 2013 at 3:42 AM

My favorite artists are Raphael and BMore.

SparkPlug on May 18, 2013 at 3:42 AM

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Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
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Kenosha Kid on May 18, 2013 at 3:55 AM

You know she died last week.

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:51 PM

April 21 is “last week”? =P

Divinyls – “Good Die Young”

Okay – I guess I can hang with that…..kinda: One of My Favorite Bands of the later 80s – early 90s…….

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Hüsker Dü existed between 1979-1987; that time period is later ’80s – early ’90s? =P

Ok, that was my turn as HA’s QOTD ombudsman à la Red Eye’s Andy Levy. :)

Hüsker Dü – “Eight Miles High” (Pink Pop Festival 87)

Anti-Control on May 18, 2013 at 5:07 AM

I looked like Belinda Carlyle from the Go Go’s in HS. Except not chunky.

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Yummy! :)

I just turned 40..
I resembled her in HS…when she was a Go Go.
Do the math. :)
Unless you find her repulsive. :)

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 11:36 PM

I used to like a waitress named Mickey in the early ’90s, who looked like Belinda but was better looking (she knew it, too, and really knew how to use her appeal – guys went gaga over her!)

Of course, everytime I saw her I’d start singing “Mickey” to her! She loved that, and me…however, I ended up sexually frustrating her because I wasn’t physically aggressive/expressive enough for her (I had a good excuse for that – although she was unhappily dating one of my best friends, I was hesitant to act because I’m a true gentleman… :))

Anti-Control on May 18, 2013 at 6:09 AM

For viking01 (this rules! – it was one of the first vids I saw on YouTube years ago)

Cheech And Chong – “Basketball Jones”

Anti-Control on May 18, 2013 at 3:13 AM

As Elvis would say: “Thankya verra much!”

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 7:45 AM

“the middle class will always be my number one focus, period.”

Focus? I was thinking of another word, but with almost identical phonetics, but ban worthy.

Coffee-thirty at HA, good morning from the hot and humid hills of Cen. Tx.

hillsoftx on May 18, 2013 at 7:49 AM

‘IT’S SCARY’: Records show IRS officials independently targeted conservative training materials…

“To say that these were are a couple of rogue IRS agents, there’s just no way,” Nonaka said. “They obviously had to have done research into the state of Hawaii.”

BELOW – Four of the IRS’ questions for the Hawaii Tea Party. (Read the full request here)

4. You will sell merchandise. Provide a list of all merchandise you will sell, the cost and the sale price.

5. Provide details regarding your relationship with the Leadership Institute. Provide copies of their training material.

6. Provide details regarding your relationship with Dylan Nonaka. Provide copies of training material used by Dylan Nonaka.

7. Provide details of all other training you have received. Provide copies of the training material.

The Hawaii Tea Party, based in Maui, was audited in 2011. But despite the IRS’ inquiries, Nonaka said he had only limited interaction with the group.

“I think I did one training with [the Hawaii Tea Party] through the Leadership Institute, when the Leadership Institute came to Hawaii,” Nonaka told The DC.”I was never a member of the Hawaii Tea Party. I was never involved with them.”

Meanwhile, also in 2011, the Leadership Institute was under the IRS’ microscope.

“Our audit began June 1, 2011,” Leadership Institute spokeswoman Abigail Alger told TheDC. “We were asked for additional documentation in February 2012″ — just 19 days after the Hawaii Tea Party was asked for additional information.

“The Baltimore office asked for copies of our training material,” Alger said. “The questions ranged from turning over the content of our 2008 training materials, to giving them all the information on our 2008 interns. These were just college kids, but they asked who our 2008 interns went on to work for.”

“In May, the IRS had an internal workshop. Our audit was closed July of that year, with no evidence of wrongdoing,” Alger said. “By that point, we had spent $50,000 in legal fees.”

The Hawaii Tea Party was also cleared of wrongdoing by the Cincinnati office.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/18/records-show-irs-officials-independently-targeted-conservative-training-materials-in-pretty-big-invasion-of-privacy/#ixzz2TdzW9Ed2

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Focus? I was thinking of another word, but with almost identical phonetics, but ban worthy.

Coffee-thirty at HA, good morning from the hot and humid hills of Cen. Tx.

hillsoftx on May 18, 2013 at 7:49 AM

The same sort of laser-like focus on jobs: he destroyed them and the economy has been on the brink of collapse with all the additional federal spending and regulations, plus the size and intrusiveness of it.

He wants to do the SAME THING to the middle class.

As Insty refrains: ‘They’ll turn us into beggars because they’re easier to please.’

ajacksonian on May 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM

D’OH…

“Second, looking much further back than I did, our reader says that since 1960, the 2004 election is the ONLY time that Hispanics MIGHT have voted 40% for the GOP.

Third, he presents this distressing news:

Pew Hispanic Center published a remarkable – and completely unreported – research study in 2012. Pew’s conclusion? First generation Hispanics vote 80% for the Democrat Party. Fourth(!) generation Hispanics vote 60% for the Democrat Party.

Unskilled and low-skilled immigrants are, and always have been, natural constituents of the Democrats. And their more highly skilled, and even affluent, descendants tend to remain Democrats. Heck, fourth generation Jewish Americans vote even more heavily for Democrats than fourth generation Hispanics.

Republicans are deluding themselves when they attribute Hispanic voting patterns to the issue of immigration — the numbers don’t support that argument. They are also deluding themselves when they claim that the Hispanic population that has voted so overwhelmingly Democratic for decades can be won over in the foreseeable future by a Republican Party that favors limited government…”

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/05/the-hispanic-vote-in-presidential-elections.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Agreed AJ and excellent, appalling link workingclass.

Could the reasonable person presume Romney would have gotten a 2% swing if Americans would have been informed in a timely fashion of the IRS and Benghazi details–details known then that we are just discovering now? Clearly, if the AP story would have broke, they would have blown up the 2012 election. Mind-boggling what could have been.

hillsoftx on May 18, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Good mornin’, Americans!

To be a Christian without prayer is no more possible than to be alive without breathing.

Martin Luther King, Jr. “The War Against Christianity: Obama’s IRS” My take.

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Well…This is unexpected….

” Eliana Johnson points out that the director of the Office of Rulings and Agreements, which oversees the determination of tax-exempt organizations, is a donor to Barack Obama. Holly Paz donated $2,000 to Obama’s 2008 campaign, according to Open Secrets, which maintains a database of individual political donations.

Liberal Democrats comprise the vast majority of federal bureaucrats. For example, in the past two presidential races, roughly 85 percent of the money contributed to a candidate by IRS employees went to Barack Obama.

This is consistent with what I observe here in the Washington, D.C. area. I estimate the percentage of bureaucrats to be at least 85. And most federal bureaucrats I know hate conservatives as a class (but not me, I hope).

That’s one reason why, as I wrote the other day, conservatives should never support legislation that empowers the federal government to promote liberalism.
Any constraints written into such legislation are likely to be ignored by the bureaucrats who administer the law.

And conservatives should begin adhering to this rule by rejecting the Schumer-Rubio immigration bill…”

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/05/director-of-irs-tax-exempt-determinations-office-is-obama-donor.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Agreed AJ and excellent, appalling link workingclass.

Could the reasonable person presume Romney would have gotten a 2% swing if Americans would have been informed in a timely fashion of the IRS and Benghazi details–details known then that we are just discovering now? Clearly, if the AP story would have broke, they would have blown up the 2012 election. Mind-boggling what could have been.

hillsoftx on May 18, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Congress (Talking to you Mr. Ryan) needs to setup related sub-committee hearings where these targeted individuals testify pronto…imho

Americans need to see and hear that these are ordinary American citizens that were intimidated.

Some were just critics, academics or reporters that wrote or questioned legislative policy.

Let them have their say and put it in the congressional record.

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM

So…who coordinated the ABA setup…

(Oh…I know…Maybe a rogue low level WH employee)

“Top Republican Rep. Dave Camp, the chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, suggested IRS targeting scandal involves officials outside the IRS….

video at link

” Last week, Lois Lerner, head of the tax exempt division of the Internal Revenue Service dropped a bombshell: The IRS had been applying extra scrutiny to conservative groups claiming tax exempt status.

The revelation came seemingly out of the blue, in response to a question during a panel at an American Bar Association conference, leaving the audience baffled, according to reports.

As it turns out, it was not a spontaneous revelation. The question, said outgoing IRS Commissioner Steven Miller in testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee Friday, was planted, as part of a prepared strategy for the IRS to release this information to the public.

Under questioning from Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, Miller said it was a “prepared Q and A,” and the question, which came from tax lawyer Celia Roady had been discussed in advance as well.

Roady told U.S. News and World Report later Friday afternoon that Lerner had personally contacted her and requested she ask the specific question. Roady said she did not know at the time what Lerner’s answer would be.*

Later, Miller, questioned by Rep. Peter Roskam, explained that the disclosure had been made to coincide with the conclusion of the inspector general’s report…”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/top-republican-dave-camp-suggests-targeting-scandal-involves-officials-outside-irs-video/

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:23 AM

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM

We reject the bill, but that doesn’t much matter to Congress. If they want it, they’re going to have it. Obama wants it, too, so we have no real recourse long as this crap thing is passed under the law that is the Constitution.

More-Conservative Republicans aren’t just fighting the Democrats. Their own Party opposes them, almost to the point they’re a third political party.

The IRS did an excellent job of stifling the formation of TEA groups, and I find it more infuriating that Senators like Schumer pressed the agency to do it. It’s an insult to our parents who fought WWII, and it’s an insult to my generation who served (I’m pushing 55), and it’s an insult to our children who serve now.

This is not the United States into which I was born.

Liam on May 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Caroline Glick ties the insidiousness of the Obysmal administration into one obvious package.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Column-One-Obama-and-the-official-truth-313405

onlineanalyst on May 18, 2013 at 8:29 AM

I’m sure this has been brought up, but if not, in addition to the scrutiny and delay conservative groups had in attempting to gain tax exempt status and the unethical and probably illegal selection of conservatives for audits, all of them incurred additional expenses, sometimes in the tens of thousands of $$$, in documenting their application or defending their tax return. These were hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars that were diverted from promoting conservative ideas. Don’t think for a minute that some enterprising, liberal IRS agent(s) didn’t think: “let’s audit these conservatives and teach them a lesson, all the while making them spend $$$ that they could be using to oppose ‘The Anointed One’.”

GAlpha10 on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Must See TeeVee…(Or C-Span anyway)

“Issa Issues Subpoena To Amb. Thomas Pickering, Co-Chair Of ARB, To Be Questioned About Findings On Benghazi…

He better have a darn good explanation for why they didn’t talk to either Clinton, Greg Hicks or some of the other important people on the case. He previously said he didn’t interview Clinton because “we knew where responsibility lay”. Huh? – Nickarama

via cbs…

The chairman of the House Oversight committee has issued a subpoena to compel the co-chairman of the independent review board that investigated last year’s attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, to answer questions about its findings in closed session.

California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa issued the subpoena on Friday to retired veteran diplomat Thomas Pickering to force him to appear at a deposition next Thursday.

Pickering has offered to testify before Issa’s committee in public, but Issa said a closed-door meeting is needed first.

Issa is one of several GOP lawmakers who have suggested the Obama administration is trying to cover up the circumstances and aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the Benghazi outpost that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans…”

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/05/17/issa-issues-subpoena-to-amb-thomas-pickering-co-chair-of-arb-to-be-questioned-about-its-findings-on-benghazi/

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM

The real question re Benghazi: What was the nature of the 10 PM phone call?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/348677/10-pm-phone-call-andrew-c-mccarthy

onlineanalyst on May 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

GAlpha10 on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM

At the DC link I posted above one group spent $50,000 in legal fees in their wrangle with the KGB IRS.

But Wait…There’s More!

The KGB IRS also requested back-end access to conservative websites.

“IT GETS WORSE!
The Obama IRS demanded that several Tea Party groups provide back-end access to their websites.

And, from reliable sources: This happened to several Tea Party groups!

The source has this in writing. It states they wanted access to everything the members had access to, which would be chats, email, contact information, etc. The group raised less than $600. She was targeted as early as October 2010.

Central Texas 912 President, Maria Acosta joined Kristina Ribali from FreedomWorks to discuss being singled out by the Feds.

The IRS asked for back-end access to the group’s website.
And this is a tax question?…

UPDATE: The IRS also demanded the Richmond Tea Party in Virginia to provide access to the back-end of their website.
Question 5A: screenshot & pdf at link

5. Provide the following information for your web and internet related activities

a. Copies of your current web pages and your presentations on other web pages such as social networking sites and blog sites (from October 22,2010 to now). If you are a membership organization, please include all the pages that are accessible to your only to your members.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/woah-huge-story-obama-irs-asked-tea-party-groups-for-back-end-access-to-their-websites/

So far I’ve read two accounts where the KGB IRS requested identification and information on students who were in contact with conservative organization…in instance the students were HS level.

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:59 AM

The real question re Benghazi: What was the nature of the 10 PM phone call?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/348677/10-pm-phone-call-andrew-c-mccarthy

onlineanalyst on May 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Thanks for posting the link.

I think it would be awesome for Guliani to appointed special prosecutor to investigate Benghazi.

He’s wrangled with the Mafia…and the WH is about on par so it makes sense.

Obama et,al. would crap their collective panties if that happened.

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Coz keeps his wife safe..so I will keep my dudes around.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 12:44 AM

If you only knew…

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Anti-Control on May 18, 2013 at 5:07 AM

lol
dude..all my days run together.
maybe I read it last week or 2 or 3. :)

Thx for the songs and notes.
I miss u. Your wit and links.
Glad you peeked back in.
I know about breaks..trust me.
Totally, get it.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM

If you only knew…

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:14 AM

bawhahaaa..

I am coming to TX! ;)

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

*how to leave Mrs. B9 behind….*
hmmmmm.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I am coming to TX! ;)

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Be sure to let me know when.
.
.
.
.
.
So I can send her to Colorado.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM

So I can send her to Colorado.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Dang it!!
I will just surprise you then.
I will Cruise Dallas looking for a clothes line filled with pants on a Sat.
Better send your daughter to-if she is 20+. ;)
I kid.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM

I kid.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM

She ain’t, and though I know you kid, even the kidding is scary. I get enough of that already.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:31 AM

good morning HA…just a quick howdy to all

was perusing some of the other websites and its bloody amazing the number of lib posters who are thrilled at what the irs did, they see nothing wrong with it, they were just doing their jobs…

unstinkingbelievable…

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM

his response has been, they had all the information they needed, they didn’t need to talk with her…

wtf???

cmsinaz on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:31 AM

I apologize..teasing.
I would never.
Never again will I joke about it.
We good?

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM

We good?

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM

I wrote that was scary, not makin’ me mad.

Geesh…ya’ ding dong.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:36 AM

unstinkingbelievable…

cmsinaz on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM

No, what is scary is it IS believable.
There is a segment of our society that does not care about anything except their own agenda.
Not the truth,not the law,not our freedoms,liberty-what is right or wrong.
See HAL for an example.

He stated-paraphrasing’ he doesn’t give a f$$k-
if it is illegal,immoral,unethical,or not constitutional- happy for it and iho all tea party people/cons should be investigated.

Sadly..he isn’t a single voice out there.

Morning btw!

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Geesh…ya’ ding dong.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Okay, my weasel.
I cant hear tone.
I am a very respectful person.

Oh man..I do feel sorry for her in a way..
girl ain’t gonna date till she is 30. ;)
Even then, dudes will be to frightened with
papa Coz. lol

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM

30? What makes you think I will let her date that early?

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Mornin’, you two!

I hope y’all are having a good Saturday.

The dishes are going. The laundry is going. And, the bride just left for a day of annual training for the “Y” Summer Program.

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM

30? What makes you think I will let her date that early?

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM

I had a feeling that would be your come back.
Just throw a chastity belt on her, damn. :)
Or enroll her in NUN college.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM

30? What makes you think I will let her date that early?

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Just hint to any prospective suitor that his predecessor is buried in the back yard.

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Dang, yards need mowin’, fence needs fixin’ I need to turn an old gazebo into a pergola, or awning and here I am goofing off while its still relatively cool out.

Bad B9.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Morning KJ :)
Nice.

I am hitting the beach in an hour, before the storms come.
Family in town.
I need the laundry to be going-come over? lol

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM

old gazebo into a pergola,

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Cool!
Come build me a pergola- tiki hut style.
My plan..that is sitting due to budget.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:55 AM

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Sorry. While the FLorabama area is my second home (lived in Pensacola as a toddler, been to Gulf Shores at least 15 times, my bride doesn’t share.

…Good help is hard to find.

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Sure..it is B9′s fault Coz is procrastinating.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM

No need for anything so drastic.

My thing is to invite potential suitors out to the range.

I have a thing for big ugly (though not to me) firearms.

If he still wants to date my daughter, we go bird hunting.

Did I ever tell y’all I worked on Dick Cheney’s house once. When he moved to Dallas.

Cheney explained bird hunting to me.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:57 AM

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Get back to me on that.

I have some ideas.

Sure..it is B9′s fault Coz is procrastinating.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Yep. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.

Now leave me alone y’all.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:58 AM

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM

I didn’t know you where a N FL guy. Learn something daily.

Man..with 10 birthdays,mothers day,family visiting,work- we are behind on everything.
I could have thrown in 1 load..
Damn Cozmo.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Get back to me on that.

I have some ideas.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Sure..like to hear-have some idea’s myself.
We shall converse.

Now get ta work!

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:02 AM

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM

My uncle was cop in Pensacola. He and my Daddy ran a Pure Oil Gas Station there during my toddler years.

I first visited Gulf Shores with my church Youth Group in ’76. The Bride and I rented a 9th Floor condo there for our honeymoon in July ’09.

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Nice!
The only place in Fl I havent been. uper pan handle.
Apalachicola is the furthest I have been up on that side.
I have heard it is lovely. My uncle lived in Destin for a bit, once retired from the military.
Now in TX..with his TX born and bred wife.
he loved it up there.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:08 AM

and your right..we call it Alabama. :)

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Have a good weekend-
I better get to getting.
see ya!

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM

good morning HA…just a quick howdy to all

was perusing some of the other websites and its bloody amazing the number of lib posters who are thrilled at what the irs did, they see nothing wrong with it, they were just doing their jobs…

unstinkingbelievable…

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM

his response has been, they had all the information they needed, they didn’t need to talk with her…

wtf???

cmsinaz on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Yeah…

Perusing the interwebs this morning and a few stories kinda popped out of the clutter…

2 republican congressmen (Kelly & Renacci) wonder out loud & in a letter if Republican Car Dealerships were targeted for closure.

Boy Scouts cave to the Gehs.

Xtremely Butt hurt Driveby Media still obsessing over AP scandal…Cause That’s their Top Priority & Il Duce hurt their feelings or something.

NK blows their wad (3 missles) into the sea of Japan…SK shrugs

Unlike Il Duce…The Queen O’ England holds her own umbrella

Fox News sez Ted Cruz eligible for POTUS…which could indicate dumping Senor Rubio…Switch Latino for Tejano as the great hispanic hope?
(Ted Cruz and John Cornyn wrote Xcellent amendments to the Bogus Immigration Bill btw…Cruz has them at his site)

Volcanoes continue to smolder…

Jazz got mugged maybe or he’s eating a big breakfast…cause it’s been a little slow this morning at HA

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Jazz got mugged maybe or he’s eating a big breakfast…cause it’s been a little slow this morning at HA

workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM

I’ll cut Jazz some slack. He got assigned to write an article on the dreadful Terry McAuliffe. There’s no means or method to make that dull Clintonite anything but boring and a thankless no-hits wonder.

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM

In more than a dozen speeches Mr. Obama raised the specter that these groups represented nefarious interests that were perverting elections.

This is nothing new for dear leader. He gives a speech to issue a veiled warning just in case there are whistle blowers lurking in the tall weeds. It had been reported that there were some more Benghazi witnesses coming forward, he gave a speech with a veiled warning about bringing people to justice and losing jobs and apparently those witnesses disappeared.

Kissmygrits on May 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Okay – I guess I can hang with that…..kinda: One of My Favorite Bands of the later 80s – early 90s…….

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Hüsker Dü existed between 1979-1987; that time period is later ’80s – early ’90s? =P

Ok, that was my turn as HA’s QOTD ombudsman à la Red Eye’s Andy Levy. :)

Hüsker Dü – “Eight Miles High” (Pink Pop Festival 87)

Anti-Control on May 18, 2013 at 5:07 AM

I love their version of this and – yeah 1987 counts as “late 80s to early 90s”……anything after ’85 is “late eighties”, technically and even though they disbanded in 1987 (actually late December of 1987, so it was practically 1988) – underground and non-profit radio stations continued to play their music regularly for a good five years. Not to mention the subsequent efforts of the individual band members after the group disbanded. I remember hearing them a lot on WXRT in Chicago in ’91 and ’92…..it was like they never went away….So – even though they disbanded in late “87 – their “Radio Life” went on for a good five years after that…..

williamg on May 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM

test

KCB on May 18, 2013 at 6:15 PM

KCB on May 18, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Did you pass?

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 6:26 PM

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