Dozens of prominent Republicans sign Supreme Court brief supporting legalized gay marriage
posted at 10:41 am on February 26, 2013 by Allahpundit
We’re stretching the definition of “prominent” a bit for this one, eh? The closest thing here to a current Republican officeholder with a national profile is Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. The only person named whom the average Republican voter might be able to pick out of a line-up is Huntsman, a.k.a. the new co-chairman of No Labels.
Still, noteworthy. Not because it’ll matter to the Supreme Court, despite the hyperventilating in the article, but because it’s a way for pro-SSM Republicans to get publicity for their point of view. If you want to signal to young voters and to like-minded righties (especially in Congress) that there’s a constituency for this position in the GOP, this is one way to do it.
Legal analysts said the brief had the potential to sway conservative justices as much for the prominent names attached to it as for its legal arguments. The list of signers includes a string of Republican officials and influential thinkers — 75 as of Monday evening — who are not ordinarily associated with gay rights advocacy, including some who are speaking out for the first time and others who have changed their previous positions.
Among them are Meg Whitman, who supported Proposition 8 when she ran for California governor; Representatives Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Richard Hanna of New York; Stephen J. Hadley, a Bush national security adviser; Carlos Gutierrez, a commerce secretary to Mr. Bush; James B. Comey, a top Bush Justice Department official; David A. Stockman, President Ronald Reagan’s first budget director; and Deborah Pryce, a former member of the House Republican leadership from Ohio who is retired from Congress…
But the presence of so many well-known former officials — including Christine Todd Whitman, former governor of New Jersey, and William Weld and Jane Swift, both former governors of Massachusetts — suggests that once Republicans are out of public life they feel freer to speak out against the party’s official platform, which calls for amending the Constitution to define marriage as “the union of one man and one woman.”
Christie Todd Whitman plus two ex-governors of Massachusetts. Way to win over the conservative base, guys. As for this, c’mon:
[SCOTUSblog's Tom Goldstein] added: “The person who is going to decide this case, if it’s going to be close, is going to be a conservative justice who respects traditional marriage but nonetheless is sympathetic to the claims that this is just another form of hatred. If you’re trying to persuade someone like that, you can’t persuade them from the perspective of gay rights advocacy.”
Even I give Anthony Kennedy a little (emphasis: a little) more credit as a jurist than to believe he might vote no but for some weak political cover from a few dozen not-so-prominent Republicans in the form of an amicus brief. He’s broken with conservatives twice before to write landmark majority opinions in favor of gay rights. The first of those opinions, in 1996, came when national support for gay marriage was polling south of 30 percent. As the closest thing the Court has to a libertarian, clearly he can be persuaded from the perspective of gay rights advocacy. Why he’d need Jon Huntsman or Ken Mehlman in his corner in order to give the thumbs up on this one, I simply don’t understand.
Exit question: If I’m right that this brief is less about persuading Kennedy than about persuading rank-and-file Republicans who are on the fence about gay marriage, why didn’t the signatories simply start a “Republicans for gay marriage” organization instead? I thought Huntsman, in his op-ed last week, was endorsing a federalist approach to SSM, which has the virtue of building democratic legitimacy for the practice. Evidently not. According to the NYT’s piece today, the amicus brief he signed argues “that gay people have a constitutional right to marry.” If that view prevails, the democratic approach is dead; you’ll have gay marriage coast to coast immediately as a matter of equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment. If your goal is to persuade socially conservative opponents, running to the Supremes to ask them to override state referenda is an odd way to do it. But maybe that’s the point here — that gay-marriage supporters, at least inside the Beltway, have given up on persuasion.
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So you’re saying it’s mostly about the benefits?
If “gay marriage” is a public good on par with straight marriage (a ridiculous claim to begin with) then why aren’t all sorts of other “civil unions” just as good? What if my mom has a debilitating disease and my friend stays home to take care of her and I work to support them – shouldn’t I and my friend get the same benefits? There are innumerable examples of such potential arrangements.
gwelf on February 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM
And then there’s polygamy. 99% of gay marriage supporters I’ve encountered here on HotAir can’t deal with this. Bring up polygamy and all of a sudden gay marriage advocates reject True Marriage Equality.
gwelf on February 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM
Question for the Bilically illiterate:
Have you ever heard of the New Covenant?
kingsjester on February 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM
There are no gays in Iran.
To bad we are not more like them.
No gays there,must be awesome.
bazil9 on February 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM
So? DOMA is much more susceptible to a full faith and credit attack than a equal protection attack. That is, if judges followed and interpreted the law rather than manipulated the law to be what they want it to be irrespective of what it is.
besser tot als rot on February 26, 2013 at 12:23 PM
Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with how aggressive and militant the gay lobby is and how eager they are to use the new “married” legal status to start attacking private citizens and institutions?
Seriously, write up a complete list of all the separate things gay couples want that a marriage license will grant them. Take them individually outside the drama and context of the gay lobby and 99% of them are not controversial.
gwelf on February 26, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Sure.
libfreeordie on February 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Isn’t the New Testament where Jesus told the local elders to stone an adulteress to death?
gwelf on February 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM
It doesn’t take a scholar to see how far you went out of your way to AVOID answering the questions posed in that citation.
Here is the missing link, which in no way refers to your caveman mentality.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM
The nut job liberals lust to drag U.S. and the rest of the world back into a evil pagan past of sin and crouption all for their mindless goal of “to each commie some of the noncommie persons stuff” and we commie liberals get to make the choice of how much of the other person stuff is enough.
As a person with some stuff of my own.
Dear life out of balance,
Go seek you own stuff, keep you commie paws off mine.
awk
APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Mainstreaming gross immorality is the only way to secure a prosperous and peaceful future for the USA.
tom daschle concerned on February 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM
So why shouldn’t law reflect the fact that gay and straight unions aren’t in nature or sociologically the same?
gwelf on February 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Data is. That is why most researchers take the data that supports their postulation and throw the rest of it in the garbage so that nobody can rebut their “findings.”
besser tot als rot on February 26, 2013 at 12:27 PM
It’s a discussion in how to frame it, not what it actually means to the community.
Look at your “population control” mention. I know where that comes from. It’s an anthropologist’s stab in the dark, and then she worded it with a positive spin.
The reality of her work was saying gay offspring, if genetic, is a terminal switch for that strand, and in a larger context, could create population control as a side-effect. But that’s not the direct cause and effect at work, and she knew it.
Right now, you could have Civil Unions for all couples passed in fifty states, no question, as to make sure equality is had across the board.
But you know this is not the real issue.
It’s a grab for as much societal control as possible now, before hard science begins to codify the biology at play. What happens when a blood sample can be used to look for certain possessive traits, and a healthy percentage of the LGBTXYZ community does not possess it?
Once that occurs, the State classification system could be used to split the community into genetically gay and sexual disorders.
budfox on February 26, 2013 at 12:27 PM
Several pedophile-protectors will be electing the next Pope. Tell me where that appears in any Covenant.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM
I’ve noticed that too. You can’t change the definition of the genders in relation to marriage without chaging the definition of the numbers in relation to marriage. They have no valid argument against that.
thebrokenrattle on February 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM
He said some were misinterpreting his results on the right. The left however has done it’s best to get him fired and run out of his profession.
gwelf on February 26, 2013 at 12:31 PM
Several pedophile-protectors will be electing the next Pope. Tell me where that appears in any Covenant.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM
Generalize much? Have you truied DeCaf?
kingsjester on February 26, 2013 at 12:31 PM
Why do so many hypocrites selectively support gay marriage, yet oppose the rights of others to marry as they chose?
Can you help me out with an answer?
Wouldn’t it also be kind of odd if only straight and gay couples could marry at an all night altar in Vegas, but others that have been in loving, committed relationships for years couldn’t do the same thing?
Wouldn’t you agree?
blink on February 26, 2013 at 12:31 PM
I’m curious whether libfree calls people who enter this country in violation of rules and statute “illegal aliens.”
besser tot als rot on February 26, 2013 at 12:32 PM
I love how you make a libertarian argument while demanding that same-sex marriage be given the full weight of legal force from the government.
Everything you say above is dishonest. I said that homosexuals don’t have a right to demand that everyone else approve, but you say that they have a right to “ask.”
Well, they’re not asking. They’re demanding. Government is force, and the whole point of demanding the government recognize same sex marriage is to force everyone else to accept homosexual couples as married couples. That force will be applied in multiple ways. We’re already seeing lawsuits to force people to accept homosexuality. We’re already seeing religious organizations denied the ability to perform a ministry because they don’t do it equally for homosexual couples. We’re already seeing Christians being told that if you provide a service for weddings, but don’t do the same service for homosexual couples, you’re discriminating. Currently, that force is being applied by individuals suing other individuals. The next step will be for the government to sue those individuals directly, followed by the government being given the power to just levy fines without needing the formality of a lawsuit. Ultimately, we will see people in jail for failing to recognize same sex marriages.
Your attempt to come across as reasonable is a fraud. You want force, you want to set a precedent that the “right” of homosexuals to get approval from society outweighs the right of a religion to teach what it has always taught: that homosexuality is sinful.
tom on February 26, 2013 at 12:32 PM
I have no problem with those types of arrangements…who do they harm exactly?
libfreeordie on February 26, 2013 at 12:32 PM
I think we can all agree that the foundational building block of western civilization is anal sex between men with severe emotional problems.
Akzed on February 26, 2013 at 12:33 PM
I am happy you’ve joined this debate.
Please tell the board your moral standards (and the basis for them) that you wish to enforce on society.
And can we count on the fact that such moral standards will allow for True Marriage Equality?
blink on February 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM
Why I am against.
Stamping out freedoms, in the name of another’s..is not what I support.
Examples have been given above. The Landlord,EHarmony law suit..lalala
I do not like to be told I have to let person X live on my property,work at my business or anything else. I would be a hypocrite
if I changed my mind on this issue. So, I haven’t and most likely won’t.
bazil9 on February 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM
I didn’t say that. Go back and re-read my comment. I said that I had no doubt that there were genetic influences. But I added that much of homosexuality in the West is now a matter of fashion among idiot leftists. Leftists are very, very susceptible to all sorts of fashion.
Oy. Again … re-read my comment. I said that if one accepts that there is some genetic basis for homosexual attraction (which I do) then they will also find that there is some genetic basis for the rest of the perversions. Genetics is a matter of trial and error in the code. There are lots of errors that arise.
That’s because you don’t understand English and what the actual definition of “marriage” is. It isn’t just anyone who wants to claim they are together. If that were the case then any people could claim to be married, just to get the legal beanies associated with it. What this would do, however, is just totally destroy the word “marriage” and turn it into a synonym for “associates”. But, we already have the word “associates” and it means something different.
Culture and the foundations of stable societies aside, you can’t just make any word mean anything you want. That is insane and exactly the opposite of progress. Turning language into nothing but meaningless grunts takes us back to the caveman days, which is what the left aspires to (and then some).
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Generalize?
Sad man, I hope you’re not a Catholic suffering under such disillusionment. Most Cathlics I know are acutely aware of the problems pedo-protectors cause for Catholicism.
Perhaps you just don’t know the facts. I suggest you look them up.
Cardinal Mahony is just the tip.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM
I’m with Bruno on this one.
MontanaMmmm on February 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM
Well these aren’t marriages or even really civil unions.
If you’re honest then this isn’t about marriage or civil unions it’s about access to government benefits, access to a certain status in the legal system etc and the gay lobby would push for re-arranging who citizens access these things outside of marriage or civil unions. But the gay lobby doesn’t do this – it makes it explicitly about being accepted as couples and having their relationship sanctioned. They don’t invite polygamists to join in or even argue for polygamists who have as much if not more ground to argue their “civil rights” are being infringed.
gwelf on February 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM
HOMOSEXUAL pedophile protectors?
sentinelrules on February 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM
So, you’re calling a whole worldwide religious denomination a bunch of pedophiles, because of the actions of a few?
That is called generalization, Hog.
And, no, I am not Catholic.
kingsjester on February 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM
So it’s a bunch of nobodies, but you couldn’t help yourself. I know that you really desire calling gay people committing themselves to each other marriage, but it isn’t.
It’s no different than the quote below.
“How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”
Abraham Lincoln
njrob on February 26, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Fixed that for you, dearie.
JannyMae on February 26, 2013 at 12:42 PM
Holy crap! In two thousand years of Christian theology and philosophy no one has ever brought this up! I wonder if an apostle ever wrote an epistle dealing with this? You may have just destroyed Christian theology forever asking these deep questions that have never been asked before!
(People probably ignore you on this point because when atheists do this they demonstrate how little they understand Christianity and with your attitude you’re not worth enlightening because you don’t really want to know the answers).
gwelf on February 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM
MontanaMmmm on February 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM
I can dig that Montana.
The militant gays won’t/don’t as they fight for “marriage”.
Many on the right will not.
This is an issue of perversion for many-no can do.
Get ready for questions on if
you support civil unions with a cow or a 12yr old.
Here it comezzzzzz….~~~~
bazil9 on February 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM
Man, your hatred of the Catholic Church is…. Ummm…. Wow… something else.
SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM
Now that was just mean.
But true.
tom on February 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM
You don’t care about my morals. Stop acting. You’re not an attorney, stop trying.
Say what you really mean or ask what you really mean to ask. I will gladly answer you.
Stop with this smoke and mirrors BS. You simly dislike gays and/or homosexuality. You cannot name any other group of sinners you have rallied against to prevent from marrying.
Divorce is the norm. Adulterers run rampant. Liars, cheats, men who sleep with their wives during menstruation, people who eat the wrong foods or wear the wrong clothes to market all have free reign in your phony, hypocritical world. Your ilk selectively quote The Bible and wholly ignore your fellow citizens’ rights.
You’re a liar and a hypocrite. The hate I hear coming from Christians regarding this issue would make Jesus blush.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM
Perhaps if would help, if you actually read the Bible you rail so vehemently against.
kingsjester on February 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM
No. Libertarianism is the ultimate libertarian perspective. Realizing that our culture is under attack and enacting legal means to defend it is the ultimate conservative position.
njrob on February 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM
So when I state facts as I perceive them it’s hate. But when you talk about lynching journalists and go off on Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics and any group I may have omitted…it’s just fine.
You’re one of the most bigoted, hateful posters on this site. I could give two craps about your opinion.
Did you sell that crappy Corvette out by the
meth labshed yet?Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM
My complaint is not with any book in The Bible. Rather, I detest you lot who twist the words selectively using ethnicity or other arbitrary BS as your basis.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Yes, I do.
You are quite obviously challenging the desire to base laws on a moral standard based on religious beliefs.
So, I’m assuming that you would like the force of law to be based on a different moral standard. I would like to know what that moral standard is.
If your moral standard included commons sense and avoids hypocrisy, then certainly it would allow for legalization of True Marriage Equality.
It’s well known on here that I rally in FAVOR of allowing ALL groups to marry as they desire. This seems to be the opposite of what you are accusing me of here.
The opposite it true.
I never quote the bible, and I seem to be the ONLY one on hot air that supports marriage rights for ALL citizens.
This thread is full of people that only favor marriage rights for gays. I’m thinking that you might be different.
Can you be counted on to support True Marriage Equality?
blink on February 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM
You and the rest of the country club Republicans can go take a long walk off a short pier. Enjoy destroying the country just because you dislike those ‘icky people’ that dare to KNOW that God exists.
njrob on February 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Point blank question: Do I have a right to my property and the fruits of my labor?
Follow on question: Does allowing miscreants the freedom to partake in aberrant behavior that causes them to degenerate and debauch themselves and the society around them end with the miscreants having access to ever more of my property and the fruits of my labor?
Final note: Since their choices directly impact my property rights and grants them power to access the fruits of my labor, how does this equate to freedom?
Demand: Dismantle the welfare state if you want your freedom so that I may have freedom too. Somewhere along the lines my freedom and the freedom of my children have become subservient to the freedom of deviants to destroy the society that I and my children will support!
astonerii on February 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Speaking of using the Bible selectively, I suppose there was a reason you repeated triple’s post, trying to call Christians to task concerning a Covenant which we are no longer bound to, o Biblical Scholar?
kingsjester on February 26, 2013 at 12:54 PM
No wonder the GOP didn’t want to take on social issues, this is their real soul–anything goes except our 30 pieces of silver–so like Judas.
This gives new meaning to “My goods friends across the aisle.”
Don L on February 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM
1) Obviously. But you still have to pay taxes too don’t you? If you want to go off the deep end with me and protest income tax as tyranny…let’s go. But it’s a long, dumb, losing battle wherein I and you will likely a lot. I own a lot…I still want it. So we can dispense with the personal-sovereignty at all cost argument.
2) Your question is loaded as Rush on a trip to Costa Rica. Frame it fairly and I will reply in kind. You’re very smart. Don’t play dumb.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM
will likely lose a lot.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:56 PM
It’s not about “equality,” anymore than truck stop bolw jobs are about love. 2% of the population, comprised of sexual deviants, wants to define marriage for the entire nation. It’s about revenge, plain and simple.
Oh by the way:
Reynolds v. United States (1878) SCOTUS determined:
“[Polygamy] is contrary to the spirit of Christianity and of the civilization which Christianity had produced in the Western world.”
Davis v. Beason (1890) SCOTUS:
“Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries. . . . To call their advocacy a tenet of religion is to offend the common sense of mankind. If they are crimes, then to teach, advise and counsel their practice is to aid in their commission, and such teaching and counseling are themselves criminal and proper subjects of punishment, as aiding and abetting crime are in all other cases.”
Akzed on February 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Yep.
Did you use your metal-detector to find that nugget? Does asking that question refute mine?
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM
So many supposedly anti-gay nutbars are so well-versed in what they refer to as sexual-deviancy.
I have never, would never and find no cause to think about or imagine “truck stop” sex.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:00 PM
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM
When it comes to matters of the Bible, you are sorely very ignorant.
You just like to spout certain scriptures to try and make it seem as tho you are oh so knowledgeable.
You are just another ignorant schmuck…who knows not of what he/she/it speaks.
Comede cacas et mori liberales spumae
Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 1:02 PM
I have no problem supporting the CONSTITUTIONALLY authorized activities of the government of which I am a part. But we are not talking about that. What we are talking about are direct payments to individuals. Direct payments for healthcare of individuals. Decades long end of life vacations paid by other people’s children. Food stamps, housing assistance, heating assistance, cooling assistance, and any of another 160 some odd programs that amounted to $1,950,000,000,000 in 2010 or 2011 out of a budget of around $3,800,000,000,000, or more than half the money the government collects. I will go out on a limb here and argue that the $1,950,000,000,000 does not include government employee pensions, so the amount is even higher in reality.
My question is not loaded at all. You just know exactly where it leads. That the freedom that you so fervently espouse is no such thing. It is just slavery by another method. The miscreants who partake in aberrant behavior are the slave master through mob rule and the virtuous are the slaves.
astonerii on February 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM
anymore than truck stop bolw jobs are about love.
Oh, aren’t you Unenlightened!
You need to listen to former NJ Governor Jim MacGreevey.
Truck stops are where it’s at Baby!!!
ToddPA on February 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM
Honestly I could care less about gay marriage one way or the other. It wins…it fails…I just don’t care.
With that said this list is like the list of damned…a sort of rogues gallery of Republican losers and a bunch of other people I have never heard of before.
William Eaton on February 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM
the actual term is “lot lizard”. and don’t ask me how i know that.
GhoulAid on February 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Capitalist Hog, I’m disappointed that I didn’t get any answers to my questions. I thought you were different. I guess not.
blink on February 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Sucks if you think I’m afraid of any discussion. I doubt you actually believe that and see you more as prodding me to answer. Fair enough. I do the same.
Is marriage part of one’s pursuit of happiness? Would you be happy married to a man? Why are you better or more entitled to be married (stipulating the importance thereof to society) than a gay man or woman?
The Bible being part of the discussion is the precise problem. Thanks for swallowing the bait wholly.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM
Nozzle, HA takes a back seat to poker and (begrudgingly) my employees. Relax your sphincter, you’ll find it easier to smile.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:10 PM
Huh, so toilet stall sex between strangers is the norm? Or is isn’t deviant just not your cup o’ tea? Sure, we believe that.
Akzed on February 26, 2013 at 1:11 PM
All I can think of when reading this is Rosie O’Donnell calling her live in companion her “wife” which makes me want to puke.
And any church that performs gay marriages, unless that church
is specifically set up for a progressive agenda, will lose thousands of members. I believe one of the churches already had
this happen with either allowing gay pastors and/or gay marriages.
Began with an “E” -episcopalian?
I don’t care (well I care, but it is what it is) what homosexuals
do in their bedroom, however, I don’t want to see your tongue down
each other’s throats in public. I don’t want to see your sashaying
behind, with arms flaying all over the place, I don’t want to see
your butch motorcycle look either. In particular, I don’t want
to see your lifestyle held up as “normal”, thereby increasing in
numbers, confusing teenagers about your lifestyle, leading those
who are confused to try something that may not really be their
“cup of tea”, leaving them emotionally confused and scarred for life.
Bottom line….quit whining, leave it all in your bedroom and
I will leave my wild hetrosexual lifestyle in my bedroom (and on
the kitchen table LOL) as well.
Amjean on February 26, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Disappointingly, you turned out to be just another hypocrite on Hot Air.
blink on February 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM
That’s fair. I’ll just remember to use hand-sanitizer after making your acquaintance.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Reynolds v. United States (1878) SCOTUS determined:
“[Polygamy] is contrary to the spirit of Christianity and of the civilization which Christianity had produced in the Western world.”
Davis v. Beason (1890) SCOTUS:
“Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries. . . . To call their advocacy a tenet of religion is to offend the common sense of mankind. If they are crimes, then to teach, advise and counsel their practice is to aid in their commission, and such teaching and counseling are themselves criminal and proper subjects of punishment, as aiding and abetting crime are in all other cases.”
This will again be the norm. Not tomorrow, not next week, but it will again be the norm.
Akzed on February 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Aww butthurt. Wookin pa nub in aw de rong places
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Is everyone in the D.C. ruling class homosexual?
Why the big push for this? Last time I heard anything the activists represent a pretty small minority of the voting public and only the young really give a rats rear about this and they the Sandra Flukes of the world are NOT, NOT, NOT going to vote for a republican so what gives?
Is there a personal stake element here inside the Beltway that we’re missing?
PappyD61 on February 26, 2013 at 1:15 PM
I do not need government sanction for my marriage. I see it as a covenant between me, my wife and God. Government is just in the way and I would prefer them to actually stay completely out of it and allow me, my wife and God (the church) to deal with it.
You still avoided the question.
When miscreants have direct access to the fruits of my labors, how does increasing the numbers of miscreants that have access to the fruits of my labors produce freedom?
You are as bad as Obama on this. Increase the number of government dependents to ensure majority status for decades to come. Thereby effectively making this a mobocracy rather than a Republic.
Like all good true Marxists you obfuscate the true intention of your policies. You ignore all the “unintended” consequences and continue on your merry way to the next check box on the list to tyranny.
astonerii on February 26, 2013 at 1:15 PM
It can’t be a state and local issue, because of reciprocity between states.
Ward Cleaver on February 26, 2013 at 1:18 PM
I was at a party recently with many, many people you would recognize by sound, face or name. Toilet stall sex was not the norm…but it stopped being shocking the second time during the same bathroom visit.
I was never in a frat but I’ve been to some pretty deviant frat parties. So yeah, deviance is relative.
You just don’t like the gay.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM
and BTW, if you’re homosexual, fine. That’s your deal but for the wildly exaggerated number of say 10% of the American people that might be classified as that.
Why do the 10% override the 90% that don’t think it’s a good idea (same-sex marriage)?
Oh, that’s right……..no one can be offended and our culture has been berated into this by Hollywood since Billy Crystal played a homosexual on “Soap” 35 years ago.
Okay, nevermind. I understand now.
PappyD61 on February 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM
your handle on here is capitalist HOG, yet you pretend never hearing the term “lot lizard”. what kind of antiques roadshow, stamp collecting life do you live? zzzzzzzzzzzzzz….
GhoulAid on February 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM
This is the ideal.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:20 PM
Pompous prick…
There was no bait…
There is no bait…
You are being schooled here by many.
You are just another loud mouthed no nothing lout…
On yer bike…
Comede cacas et mori liberales spumae
Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 1:21 PM
I just don’t do bathroom sex myself. It’s skeeved-out thing. Some people don’t like fingernails on a chalkboard. I don’t bring drinks or women in to the bathroom.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:21 PM
….and it’s the whole slippery slope that I take issue with.
If two men or two women……then why not 3 women?……why not 3 men, a woman, and a goat?……why not 3 women, 6 men, a hot tub and a gallon of cheap wine?
“Who are you to tell me who or what I can marry?”
No culture has ever survived in human history that has embraced widely, homosexual rights.
PappyD61 on February 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM
Sounds like it was the norm.
I don’t care one whit about teh gay either way. I do care about who gets to define our culture, and the unforeseen consequences of letting deviants do so. Perhaps they won’t be so unforeseen after all.
Akzed on February 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM
No, but disappointed that you turned out to be just another bigoted hypocrite.
blink on February 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM
I think I’ll turn on the Kardashian show now….
..nothing like seeing a room full of big azzes.
ToddPA on February 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM
You are awesome. I don’t know what you’re talking about. But it really makes me giggle.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:27 PM
That’s not fair. I will take a look upscreen and find my flaws…according to you. Give me a bit, please.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM
You’re the best. You’re totally right about whatever you want me to say.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM
So sayeth the leftist concern troll.
njrob on February 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM
I’d be on the list too if the LGBT people would assure me that my Church will never have to, as a condition of non-taxation, allow gay marriages and such on church premeses.
Given what happened with the Methodist Pavilion, they’d be hard pressed to convince me of the sincerity of their own tolerance. I’ve read enough on LGBT websites to understand that they view such a position in about the same light as an exterminator views a cockroach.
I’d also like to be assured that all would have a private freedom of association — that I as a landlord would not have to rent to gay people — married or not — and that I would not have to allow gay behavior on properties I own.
The left has its own ideas of civil rights, and those ideas do not include a private freedom of association, so I’m squelching any libertarian impulses I have in that direction at present.
I want to preserve my own freedoms, and if it means denying freedoms to those who would take my freedoms away, so be it.
unclesmrgol on February 26, 2013 at 1:33 PM
@blink
Let me know which reply works for you. You have three choices.
Capitalist Hog on February 26, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Politico has release a full list of the names. Several more were added and it’s now at 80+ : http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/more-than-80-republican-leaders-sign-pro-gay-marriage-brief-88104.html?hp=f2
ZachV on February 26, 2013 at 1:34 PM
That and the fact that they want access to your paycheck in order to backstop any bad consequences their choices might incur.
astonerii on February 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Get government out of marriage completely. Where is the definition of marriage in the Constitution? That’s right, nowhere. I certainly don’t need the government’s approval on my personal relationships.
If government would stick to the Constitution and our rights as spelled out, we wouldn’t have these ridiculous debates.
Have whatever religious ceremony, or not, as you wish with whomever you wish. Then trot down to the courthouse and draw up a legal contract for assets, inheritance, children, etc.
A legal contract that can be between any two or more people, you can do it today.
Then remove all marriage-related loopholes from tax code and any other laws, we should have a fair/flat tax anyway.
Common Sense on February 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Exactly!
$3,801,000,000,000/240,000,000 adults = a little under $16,000 per adult.
astonerii on February 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM
They. Already. Do.
Unless you want government to have cameras in your home?
Any two or more people can have a sexual relationship without that piece of paper. They can also go write up a marriage-like contract between themselves.
As long as we remove any marriage-related government benefits, it shouldn’t be the business of government or anyone else what your personal relationships are.
If you don’t like it, don’t marry 3 women or 2 men and a goat.
Common Sense on February 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM
This is one of the reasons I don’t get the whole gay thing. it seems to be a very small minority that a large majority of non-participation folks are obsessed with. Lots of time, effort and money are spent on gay issues and I just don’t get it. I’ve known a lot of gay people, my best man was gay right up to the time of his death from AIDS. None of the gays I have known care about SSM so I have to ask how many really do and why do so many spend so much time fighting for it?
Dr. Frank Enstine on February 26, 2013 at 1:43 PM
I don’t care (well I care, but it is what it is) what homosexuals
do in their bedroom,
Contradict yourself right away. Why do you care?
however, I don’t want to see your tongue down
each other’s throats in public.
I don’t want to see it from anyone.
I don’t want to see your sashaying
behind, with arms flaying all over the place, I don’t want to see
your butch motorcycle look either. In particular, I don’t want
to see your lifestyle held up as “normal”,
There it is, Thank you. What hairstyle do you have? Beehive?
Bottom line….quit whining, leave it all in your bedroom and
I will leave my wild hetrosexual lifestyle in my bedroom (and on
the kitchen table LOL) as well.
No you just left it on a blog-thanks for the image of you and the kitchen table. Blech.
Amjean on February 26, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Whining? You just posted a whine symphony.
I don’t want to see a lot of crap I do-from either hetero’s or homo’s.
bazil9 on February 26, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Now that is perverse. The least you could do is raise your standards a bit and get a decent bottle to marry. There are some very nice wines for under ten bucks and they have corks. I don’t know about you but I would be ashamed to have to “unscrew” the bride for the wedding kiss. I’d much prefer to uncork her. It’s classier in my humble opinion.
Dr. Frank Enstine on February 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM
If the best man at your wedding was a gay man who died of AIDS, I suspect you are baby boomer, and baby boomer gays are not really into same-sex marriage. Its much more of a younger phenomenon.
libfreeordie on February 26, 2013 at 2:05 PM
I was trying to find support for True Marriage Equality, but you’re obviously too bigoted to provide it.
What’s disappointing is that you’re a hypocrite about it.
blink on February 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM
I am not whining about anything. Just giving my opinion of
which I would not change one word.
And, guess what, a$$hat, there are millions of people who think
just like I do. You, not so much.
Amjean on February 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM
There is no biological definition of “race”. That is why the Left’s constant race-mongering is so ridiculous. It merely comes down to one’s appearance–which is a perfectly good reason to “discriminate”.
Nutstuyu on February 26, 2013 at 2:08 PM
And the younger generations will most certainly support True Marriage Equality – as old bigots like yourself become meaningless.
blink on February 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Did you even read that list? Most of those have total known value of “Who?”.
nobar on February 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM
I wonder why the Cheneys weren’t asked to sign.
ExpressoBold on February 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM
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