Karzai orders US special forces out of Wardak Province

posted at 12:31 pm on February 24, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I’m not saying things are going to hell in a handbasket yet, but this isn’t a good sign. NBC News is now reporting that Hamid Karzai is directing all US special forces to leave Wardak Province, the location of recent insurgent activity and a trouble spot with the Taliban. The allegations he’s making certainly won’t do much for us on the public relations front, either.

We’re getting word that Afghan President Hamid Karzai has ordered U.S. special forces to leave Wardak Province within two weeks amid allegation of torture and disappearances centering on Afghans who are part of the U.S. forces.

“There are some individuals, some Afghans, who are working within these cells, within these [U.S.] special forces groups,” said Aimal Faizi, a spokesman for Karzai. “But they are part of US special forces according to our sources and according to our local officials working in the province.”

The original report comes from the BBC and includes allegations that these Afghan units, trained by the US, are responsible for the beheading of a university student in the area. That sounds a lot more like the Taliban to me, but I suppose we’ll have to let them investigate and see. As we head toward what now seems to be the certain exit of US forces next year – starting this summer, actually – it’s not difficult to imagine things beginning to break down. I just didn’t think it would start this early, assuming this isn’t just an isolated glitch.

We’ll update here later if more information comes out.


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Wining!!!

Electrongod on February 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

This corrupt, infected muslim fanatic will be living in Switzerland or Dubai within a year.

pat on February 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

With regards to Afghanistan, what we ought to do, is pack up all of our toys and go home, and on our way out the door, reduce all of Afghanistan to a pile of hot glowing molten green glass.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

What difference does….

Electrongod on February 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Had the Tora Bora back door not been left open, all of this would’ve been moot.

Urban renewal – in this shithole – is moving the rubble around.

You can’t hope to civilize a rabid dog.

I only feel sorry for the young Afghans, who will be forced to live like Neanderthals.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

After reading Kyle’s American Sniper, I am somewhat inclined to agree.
When they ordered all civilians out of Ramadi, that’s what they should have done to the place full of insurgents.
But instead, our command made soldiers die by fighting house to house to ‘save’ infrastructure.
This is Vietnam all over again, as well all suspected it would be.
Wars need to be fought by soldiers, not politicians.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

I only feel sorry for the young Afghans, who will be forced to live like Neanderthals.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Why? that would be several steps forward for them.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

This is a guy whose neck remains attached to his shoulders for one reason…the US and NATO (okay…two reasons…maybe I am beginning to count like Joe Biden!). I am sick of him, his arrogance, his corruption and his lack of appreciation for all those who have died for his country. I cannot wait to see if he meets the same same fate as Najibullah.

Blaise on February 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Electrongod on February 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Situation is going to FUBAR..

Dire Straits on February 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Good job, Barry.

Good grief, what else could go wrong? What’s next?

petefrt on February 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

You can’t hope to civilize a rabid dog.

I only feel sorry for the young Afghans, who will be forced to live like Neanderthals.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

They’ve been living like this for centuries. Nothing different.
If they aren’t warring with Westerners, well, they’ve been warring with each other.
This culture is naturally corrupt & deficient, if we are to think man kind should live as free beings.
These people has no desire for true freedom. None whatsoever.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Given what I’ve heard of Karzai’s mental and emotional stability over the years, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn he’s off his meds, again.

And neither would it surprise me if he cuts a deal with the Taliban and then ends up like Najibullah did in 1996. (Hint: castration was the nicest thing they did to him.)

irishspy on February 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Wars need to be fought by soldiers, not politicians.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

If America paid attention to perhaps the greatest military tactician in history “Sun Tzu” that would be the case. Unfortunately American politicians have discovered that their is an enormous amount of money and power to be had by micro managing America’s military operations.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Why? that would be several steps forward for them.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

LOL, agreed.

Australopithecus?

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

LOL, agreed.

Australopithecus?

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Even that would be an improvement, considering that pond scum has higher moral and ethical standards.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

WHY ARE WE STILL THERE?
These people deserve whatever they get, be it oppressive Taliban rule or US bombs on their heads. We should just leave already and if they want to mess with us, bomb them until there is nothing left. The Afghans have done nothing but prove time and again that they are not worthy of the sacrifices our men and women make over there.

nazarioj001 on February 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Even that would be an improvement, considering that pond scum has higher moral and ethical standards.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Rat feces. And that’s my final offer.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Rat feces. And that’s my final offer.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Ok… Now you are in the right ball park…

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Capture Karzai, flatten Afghanistan, and turn Karzai over to what’s left of the Taliban to be beheaded (video on the Internet, natch). Then leave.

Philly on February 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

micro managing America’s military operations.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Made from the blood of our soldiers.
Don’t know how some of these folks can sleep at night.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Made from the blood of our soldiers.
Don’t know how some of these folks can sleep at night.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Drugs and lot’s of very expensive alcohol…

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

We should leave. On our way out, destroy Pakistan`s airforce, the ISI, grab their nukes and leave them naked in front of India with a big red bow and a label that reads “Have fun.”

ThePrez on February 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Capture Karzai, flatten Afghanistan, and turn Karzai over to what’s left of the Taliban to be beheaded (video on the Internet, natch). Then leave.

Philly on February 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Screw that, nuke the place and let them all (Karzai included) enter heII 10 million degree hotter than heII already is.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM

“Permission to fire on that mortar crew, that we located and advised you about, 6 minutes ago.”

[5 minutes later]

“Can you clarify that no civilians are within 1500 yards of your target?”

[1 minute later]

“It appears that there are no civilians, within 1200 yards.”

[5 minutes later]

“Permission denied.”

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM

We should leave. On our way out, destroy Pakistan`s airforce, the ISI, grab their nukes and leave them naked in front of India with a big red bow and a label that reads “Have fun.”

ThePrez on February 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Bwahahahahahah, now there’s an idea with appeal to it.

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Made from the blood of our soldiers.
Don’t know how some of these folks can sleep at night.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

…BenGhazi Bedbugs?
…life is cheap to these folks…life is collateral damage only!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Wardak Province

The new Galactic Headquarters of the Religion Of Peace.

BobMbx on February 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Do as he commands! And leave the rest of that sandtrap as well! Karzai’s head will be a Taliban trophy in a week unless he has a foolproof escape plan. By the way, where is OUR Commander-in-Chief anyway? Shouldn’t he be doing something about this? And isn’t Hagel about to be confirmed? This is turning into a disaster before it can start! Hello, John Kerry, State Department, hello, hello!

Boats48 on February 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I’m confused I thought Iraq was the bad war and Afganistan was the good war? Why don’t we send Obama in to take out someone like Osama like he did the last time?

cmptrnerd on February 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM

I’m not saying things are going to hell in a handbasket yet, but this isn’t a good sign.

Our effort in Afghanistan has been doomed to fail ever since Comrade O spent five months procrastinating trying to find a way to not give his hand-picked General, McChrystal, the minimum troop increase he said he needed. Dear Leader wanted to get out right then and there but didn’t have the courage to do it. So instead he gave McChrystal only 75% of the minimum troop level increase requested, and only for about 18 months, telegraphing to the Taliban and out allies in the regiond when we would start leaving.

Since then over a thousand of America’s finest have died just to provide political cover for Comrade O. And the Mainstream Media Propaganda Machine is totally uninterested. When they show any interest the regurgitate the admin’s official lie that we are succeeding in Afghanistan and will be able to leave soon because of the success of Dear Leader’s brilliant strategy.

Compare and contrast the MSM’s obsession with weekly death tolls in Iraq when someone less angelic in their view occupied the WH. Before it is over the death toll in Afghanistan will be comparable to or exceed that in Iraq, 80% of it under Generalissimo Dear Leader Obama. And Afghanistan will be in worse shape than Iraq. And the MSM will continue to be uninterested.

farsighted on February 24, 2013 at 1:16 PM

SWalker on February 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Sounds good. We should incinerate Pakistan while we’re there. If we’re going to make an effort, we might as well get the most out of it.

Philly on February 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I wonder if Hopey likes to be Over-Rid’n in
where the US Military go’s!!

Update: US special forces have been ordered by Kabul to leave only 1 province, Wardak, not 2 – @AFP

2 hours ago by editor
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More: Afghan Gov. accuses US forces in Wardak province of ‘harassing, annoying, torturing and even murdering innocent people’ – @AJELive

2 hours ago by editor
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Hamid Karzai, president of Afghanistan, has ordered US Special Forces to withdraw from Wardak and Logar provinces in 2 weeks – @AJELive

3 hours ago by editor

canopfor on February 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM

So NBC reports on this but where is its report on an additional 40 American troops shipped to Niger to support an unarmed drone base? Total count so far in Niger: 100 American troops.
.
Had a Republican done this, the 24/7 news cycle would have gone into hyperventilating outrage over “war for oil” assertions. What’s up, Media? Lost your edge?

ExpressoBold on February 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Pull all the troops out. The Taliban will hang Karzai within a month.

GarandFan on February 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Iraq may actually make it, where Afghanistan certainly appears doomed. Saddam Hussein did try to live in the modern era, despite his other dreadful failings. Also, Iraq has an ancient history that includes some of humanity’s first steps at organizing civilization. Afghanistan, not so much.

cfebrzl on February 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

The original report comes from the BBC

Consider the source.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2013 at 1:32 PM

National Security Council Meeting Discusses Situation in Wardak and Logar Provinces
Publish Date: Feb 24, 2013
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February 24, 2013 – The meeting of the National Security Council chaired by President Hamid Karzai on Sunday discussed as per agenda the security situation in the provinces of Logar and Maidan Wardak, the presence of the international forces beyond 2014 and the issue of land seizures in Afghanistan.

The meeting began by hearing briefings by the Minister of Interior, Director General for the Independent Directorate of Local Governance (IDLG), chairman of the Transition Commission, Chief of Army Staff and the respective governors on the security situation as well as on the findings by a delegation that had been assigned to investigate the causes of insecurity in the two provinces.

After a thorough discussion, it became clear that armed individuals named as US special force stationed in Wardak province engage in harassing, annoying, torturing and even murdering innocent people. A recent example in the province is an incident in which nine people were disappeared in an operation by this suspicious force and in a separate incident a student was taken away at night from his home, whose tortured body with throat cut was found two days later under a bridge. However, Americans reject having conducted any such operation and any involvement of their special force.

The meeting strongly noted that such actions have caused local public resentment and hatred.

In view of the above situation, the meeting made the following decisions:
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1. The Ministry of Defense was assigned to make sure all US special forces are out of the province within two weeks;

2. All the Afghan national security forces are duty bound to protect the life and property of people in Maidan Wardak province by effectively stopping and bringing to justice any groups that enter peoples’ homes in the name of special force and who engage in annoying, harassing and murdering innocent people; and

3. Effective from February 24, 2013 onward, the ISAF has to stop all its special force operations in Maidan Wardak province;

The Meeting also called on the local people to cooperate with the governor and security forces in identifying such groups and inform local authorities. The Wardak governor was also tasked to form community councils to engage people in preventing such destructive actions by irresponsible armed groups.

The meeting then heard and endorsed a security operational plan presented by Logar governor for the province.

Also on agenda for the meeting was the issue of land seizure in various provinces in Afghanistan. The meeting directed the Ministry of Interior, the Attorney General Office as well as the Independent Directorate of Local Governance (IDLG) to develop an orderly plan to handle the issue of the land seizure and restitute the lands illegally grabbed by powerful individuals by misuse of authority and official position.
The meeting also held an in-depth discussion on the military presence some countries are seeking beyond 2014 in Afghanistan.

The meeting decided that any military presence any country may be seeking to retain under the international coalition after 2014 may be allowed only after Afghan government’s formal agreement and discretion, to be achieved bilaterally.
The meeting underlined that the number, location, scope and the nature of operations of such troops, if agreed, would be determined through direct negotiations with Afghan government.

http://president.gov.af/en/news/17740

canopfor on February 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM

So NBC reports on this but where is its report on an additional 40 American troops shipped to Niger to support an unarmed drone base?

They cannot report on it. Their censoring filter won’t let the word “Niger” through.

Archivarix on February 24, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Smart Power ™.

And yet, sheeple will not blame Barky, who in turn will go back on the stump and have no qualms about blaming the ‘pubs.

bofh on February 24, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Smart Power ™.

And yet, sheeple will not blame Barky, who in turn will go back on the stump and have no qualms about blaming the ‘pubs.

bofh on February 24, 2013 at 1:39 PM

And he will blather about raising “revenues”.

VegasRick on February 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

They cannot report on it. Their censoring filter won’t let the word “Niger” through.

Archivarix on February 24, 2013 at 1:38 PM

.
No accounting for spelling variations, is there?

ExpressoBold on February 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Report on
Progress Toward Security and
Stability in Afghanistan
December 2012

http://www.defense.gov/news/1230_Report_final.pdf
=================================================

Page:21

Insurgents remained intent on expanding their influence in the provinces leading to Kabul,
especially in the east and south. However, ANSF and ISAF operations in Logar and Wardak
provinces reduced the ability of insurgents to use the region as a staging ground for operations in
Kabul. The increased use of Laghman, Parwan, and Kapisa provinces as staging areas for
insurgent attacks against Kabul was a result of these disruption operations

canopfor on February 24, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Afghanistan Wardak Province Land Cover Map
******************************************

http://afghanag.ucdavis.edu/country-info/Province-agriculture-profiles/province-maps-aims/Map_AIMS_Wardak.pdf

canopfor on February 24, 2013 at 1:52 PM

…..and take our money, protection and nation building services with us!

Amjean on February 24, 2013 at 1:57 PM

So NBC reports on this but where is its report on an additional 40 American troops shipped to Niger to support an unarmed drone base? Total count so far in Niger: 100 American troops.

ExpressoBold on February 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM

ExpressoBpld: This one:)
========================

Defense officials tell @NBCNews US is deploying surveillance drones to Niger to aid French mission in Mali

Feb 22, 2013, 12:48 p.m. from usnews.nbcnews.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/mali-unrest

canopfor on February 24, 2013 at 1:59 PM

…we should all be given one of those hats Karzai wears…to remind us of all the money and lives we’ve lost!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Please, please, please let us NOT sacrifice another American life in this hellhole! LEAVE NOW!

NavyMustang on February 24, 2013 at 2:07 PM

This corrupt, infected muslim fanatic will be living in Switzerland or Dubai within a year.

pat on February 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Actually, he’ll probably be President for life, if he has brokered a deal with the Taliban.

Snake307 on February 24, 2013 at 2:10 PM

No one ever has a good answer for how the backed taxes will be calculated, since most illegals are paid in cash with little official bookkeeping.

Granted, there is a sizable number of illegals who pay income taxes each year in anticipation of amnesty, but it’s all self-reported to the IRS, so, in many cases, not even accurate.

steebo77 on February 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

No one has (publicly) explained any of the massive bureaucratic construct that will be required to process 10-30 million illegals. If each illegal takes 2 day to process then that = ~80000 years of man power. You would need 100000 bureaucrats (150 illegals each) working a full year to process them.

And is that 2 days is a long enough period of time? I would think that, if you are diligent,you’d end up spending more the 2 days time interviewing former employers, visiting the applicant at thier residence, checking medical records, probably having an actual physical check up …

But all that is in an ideal situation and the FEDS never match the ideal. In the end it will not be 2 days per bureaucrat. It will be a few hours and the background checks will be flimsy and subject to manipulation. There will be unintended consequences. And our borders will be rendered meaningless. Anyone in the world who wants legal status, and who can pass for Mexican, will probably be able get it through some shady middle man.

BoxHead1 on February 24, 2013 at 2:14 PM

2 days per bureaucrat illegal

BoxHead1 on February 24, 2013 at 2:15 PM

totally wrong thread!!!!

BoxHead1 on February 24, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Pull out.It will become a liberal dream utopia.No big carbon footprint since most people travel by foot or donkeys.No huge power plants to produce electricity.No dust from large farms since most only grow poppies and organic food.Soon to have one party rule with plenty of guns,(a downer for most libs) and daily entertainment from soccer and beheadings at local stadiums.What’s not to like?

docflash on February 24, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Obama has no mission in Afghanistan except to bleed US soldiers and taxpayers. It’s a farce-a proper administration would understand that the enemy is Islam and would wipe out all the radical muslims and work to transform Islamic states into secular democracies and ban Islam.

Unfortunately no one in the political class has the IQ to arrive at this obvious and sensible conclusion, so it’s best to pull out of Afpak until we can elect a president that truly understands Islam and how to deal with muslims the right way.

thinkagain on February 24, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Whoa! Our commander-in -cheif won’t tolerate this insult to his nation…..unless he has some more waivers in his back pocket.

Don L on February 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Another exciting episode in The Wonderful World of Afcrapistan. What a great investment.

VorDaj on February 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Maybe it’s time the US gets back to its roots. Colonization was essential to the civilization of vast continental wilderness regions and undeveloped lands. It has acquired negative connotations in the past century, but may be a perfectly useful, essential, and legitimate answer to undisciplined and lawless places like Afghanistan that are breeding grounds of terrorism. Self determination is not necessarily fitting to this wasteland. Maybe the US should have colonized this place and instituted western political and government institutions. For all the blood and treasure we’ve spent over there, Afghanistan should be a US Territory by now, and the US should not be taking orders from lawless tribal warlords.

Tripwhipper on February 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Human sacrifice 21st Century American style.

It would seem the Aztec High Priests of the 15th century have been reincarnated and are now in full reign at the Mega Mosque some still nostalgically call the Pentagon. Their Spiritual Leader has been the High Priest of The Most Holy Doctrine of COIN, Imam David “Holy Qur’an” Petraeus.

America’s Generals are now very much like the Aztec High Priests of many centuries ago. The main difference, and it’s a relatively small one, is that instead of continually sacrificing what they regarded as their excess and disposable human property to the Sun God to try to gain benevolence and avoid wrath, America’s Generals keep trying to sacrifice America’s Constitution, and do sacrifice more and more of the lives and limbs of America’s troops, whom they regard as their excess and disposable human property, as well as hundreds of billions of dollars of America’s rapidly shrinking treasure, which although itself is of much lesser importance is still no small matter, to the gods they reverently call “The Prophet Mohammad”, “The Holy Qur’an” and “The Noble People Of Afghanistan and their Noble Muslim Culture” to try to gain benevolence and avoid wrath, and maybe even get an extra star and another few assorted colorful baubles for which to adorn themselves.

Is our military fighting for anything most Americans would regard as at all decent in Afghanistan? Certainly not our Army, nor our Marines. America’s Generals have repeatedly ordered them to respect the gods they call “The Prophet Mohammad”, “The Holy Qur’an” and “The Noble People Of Afghanistan and their Noble Muslim Culture” and if American troops get shot to death by what their Generals call their Partners in Peace, then the Generals conclude that America’s derelict and sacrilegious troops must not have respected the gods they call “The Prophet Mohammad”, “The Holy Qur’an” and “The Noble People Of Afghanistan and their Noble Muslim Culture” nearly enough and order them to take still more religious and cultural “sensitivity” training so they can better respect the Noble Muslim Culture of the Noble People of Afghanistan, maybe even enough where they can start joining in the practicing of that Noble Muslim Culture themselves, which would no doubt delight the Generals to no end.

There of course is never any “sensitivity” training ever even recommended for what America’s Generals call “The Noble People Of Afghanistan” so they might better understand and appreciate Western and American culture, the great superiority of which should be self-evident. But then as America’s Generals clearly must regard the Noble Muslim Culture of the Noble People of Afghanistan as being far superior to Western and American culture, they would surely regard any such thing as, well, absolutely unthinkable, and blasphemous, and upon hearing any such suggestion would no doubt order even more “sensitivity” training.

* Mainstream Noble People of Afghanistan Muslim Culture includes child rape of both young girls and young boys, torturing dogs including puppies, total enslavement of women, stoning women to death for being raped, and death to apostates, which itself covers a whole lot, just to very briefly mention a few of the highlights.

VorDaj on February 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM

We may never know…………

One thing you can rely on though, they are all lying Muslims, they all hate you and they are all working for your destruction. You are fools to be connected to them. You deserve what ever they do to you after this amount of time of failing to see them as they are.

BL@KBIRD on February 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Karzai really is a traitor to the Special Forces men who made it possible for him to be where he is today. Read Eric Blehm’s book The Only Thing Worth Dying For.

Our premature pull out and restrictive rules of engagement get our guys killed and their deaths are in vain.

For any war, we should be willing to go all in with all the resources we have, or not go in at all.

Every book I’ve read about Iraq and especially Afghanistan (and I’ve read a lot of them) talks about the increasingly restrictive ROE and the impact they had on our soldiers.

Obama set our path when he set a date for withdrawal. Pull them ALL out now and leave Afghanistan to their fate. They are not worth one more American life.

Common Sense on February 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Shouldn’t he be doing something about this? And isn’t Hagel about to be confirmed? This is turning into a disaster before it can start! Hello, John Kerry, State Department, hello, hello!
Boats48 on February 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Kerry already has his priorities. He is tackling global warming.

onlineanalyst on February 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

All of the US military should be out of that crap hole tomorrow. Under the great leadership of Obama, Hagel and Kerry we’ll probably waste our young in that sewer for the next decade. Disgusting.

rplat on February 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Heh! Speaking of John Kerry: Even the Syrian “rebels” don’t want to meet with him.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/24/state-dept-scrambles-to-salvage-kerry-meeting-with-syrian-rebel-coalition/

Is Kerry going to negotiate to retrieve the weapons that were “spirited” out of Benghazi? Is he going to offer the “rebels” an Obysmal offer that they cannot refuse?

Karzai has been playing the US to line his own pockets. Let the Taliban have him, and let us leave. Obysmal has managed to foul up this theater of war enough.

onlineanalyst on February 24, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Karzai. You are the weakest link, goodbye.

banzaibob on February 24, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Had the Tora Bora back door not been left open, all of this would’ve been moot.

Urban renewal – in this shithole – is moving the rubble around.

You can’t hope to civilize a rabid dog.

I only feel sorry for the young Afghans, who will be forced to live like Neanderthals.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

If memory serves, it was supposed to be the Afghans guarding that back door.

Steve Eggleston on February 24, 2013 at 6:12 PM

I only feel sorry for the young Afghans, who will be forced to live like Neanderthals.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Ultimately, that is their choice if they don’t drive out these fanatics who kill, maim, rob, torture and kidnap at will. Same thing in Iraq.

You can’t keep your families safe from terrorists in your neighborhood by doing nothing.

They need to make a choice as to whether they care about their families’ security and prosperity more than they do about hating America and the West in general. This has done them no good whatsoever.

These pics showing the aftermath of bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan with innocent children, women and men lying around bleeding, dying, dead is truly sickening. I don’t get what kind of man would let that happen and not do something about it.

Just because the CIA may not know where these thugs are, I guarantee you the locals do.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 24, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Chalk it up as another HUGE 0bama foreign policy SUCCESS [as described by commie Democrats] that belongs right along 0bama allowing Iraq to KICK US OUT.

DannoJyd on February 24, 2013 at 6:48 PM

In that picture of Karzai, he’s pointing to Obamas nose mole and saying, “Hey!..I have one of those too..on the other side”.

It’s actually a grease zerk. They are both robots.

Mimzey on February 24, 2013 at 6:52 PM

WHY ARE WE STILL THERE?
These people deserve whatever they get, be it oppressive Taliban rule or US bombs on their heads. We should just leave already and if they want to mess with us, bomb them until there is nothing left. The Afghans have done nothing but prove time and again that they are not worthy of the sacrifices our men and women make over there.

nazarioj001 on February 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

At this point, a lot of people have lined up with us who will be slaughtered if we cut off all assistance. This will discourage others to cooperate with the US elsewhere. Also, Al Queda may be allowed back in to train recruits, plot attacks on the west and make even more money off drug sales to support their efforts. We have built an army of sorts, we should at least supply it and provide such logistics as they cannot supply themselves. We should not just leave them to collapse and become a refugee crisis as they drop their weapons and flee for their lives as happened to the South Vietnamese army when we just dropped them like a dead mouse.

KW64 on February 24, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Feb ’03. I met President Karzai on a flight from Malasia to Andrews AFB…he seemed to be a very likable individual. He talked to us extensivly about motorcycles and mucle cars…even we were just the low-ife pukes on board.

Fast forward to now and seeing him makes my stomache turn. What happened to you brother? Power begets corruption, thats what. He deserves no protetion from us any longer, and yes, we provide his security.

I do feel for many Afgans, they are after all, human beings, God’s children, as we all are. But they live diffrently than we, so let us leave that sh it hole and fight the fight that matters…

I enjoy seein all of you here on hotair…my favorite folks in the world…even i never met you or truly know you…God bless you all.

OldWeaselKeeper on February 24, 2013 at 11:02 PM

and i do agree with KW64, some support is necesary if we truly intend on defeatin al takeash!t queda…

OldWeaselKeeper on February 24, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Fine. Turn the whole country into Carthage. Then we can leave.

GWB on February 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

But the Obowmao speech in Cairo fixed EVERYTHING, … remember?
King Putt says that no one can slander Islam, he TOLD the World when he was at the UN. When he said for the fourteenth time that the riot in Bengahzi was because of a UTube video slandering The Profit Mohammed, PBUH.
As for Karzai, he has been such a dissappointment. As my dear Dad use to say, “He’s not worth the powder to blow him to Hell.”

The MSM (Manure Spreading Media) is really going to have to work overtime to cover Prezzie Choombro Azz on this issue.

Well, we can hope the voters extract their collective heads from that dark cavity where the Sun don’t shine before November 1014.
It will be the only way to halt the exponential disaster planned by the Affirmative Action Amature.

Missilengr on February 25, 2013 at 12:11 AM

We need to stop trying to change a culture thousands of years old and get out.

mixplix on February 25, 2013 at 6:20 AM

The wars have been over and lost for a long time. The political interferance started from the get go and just got worse over time. We essentially financed both insurgencies ourselves…but I digress. The final nail in the Afghan coffin was when we agreed to adopt Karzai’s 12 additional requirements to our existing 12 (political) rules of engagement – the ones where we don’t do night raids, don’t do anything without telling the Afghans and otherwise don’t do anything dragging stoned (see videos on Afghan soldiers smoking hash) Afghans along…makes the OPSEC a little trickier. We don’t even interrogate scumbag detainees anymore! Lately, this whole thing has been a cyncial game of “chicken”, where both sides are trying to see which one says “I quit” first. Its a really crappy reason to keep having soldiers killed and/or maimed. We need to pull everything out of there.

More interestingly, I’d like to see a pool on how long it takes Karzai to run off to France with his embezzled $billions.

John_G on February 25, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I am so sorry that so many of our military personnel have died for naught in this GOD forsaken hell hole. Political wars are fought for personal gain and the price is paid with dead American soldiers. Make the politicians fight on the front lines and see how fast things are done right. Odumba will let this decision stand because the mudslum brotherhood is now in control and he is their best supporter. He is even arming them with Abrahms tanks and F 16 jet fighters. The smaller arms were being moved through Libya until the ship hit the fan. The end of the USA is now in sight and the domestic terrorist in DC are leading the way to our destruction. How can we let this happen and not even try to stop it?

harvey1 on February 25, 2013 at 11:33 AM

If memory serves, it was supposed to be the Afghans guarding that back door.

Steve Eggleston on February 24, 2013 at 6:12 PM

It was the Pakistanis who were doing the “guarding” [to prevent al qaeda entry into Pakistan/Waziristan], with the blessings of the United States.

My point was that United States forces could’ve encircled al qaeda in Tora Bora, and attacked them. With the open, back-door, this became moot.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 24, 2013 at 6:31 PM

I was thinking, mostly, about the little girls – who get their heads chopped off, for wanting an education.

Of course, ultimately, it’s the people who are responsible for their own misery.

Just like here, in America, with Obamuh.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM