How’s that Colorado/Washington marijuana legalization coming along?

posted at 5:01 pm on February 24, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

“This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug, so don’t break out the Cheetos or goldfish too quickly,” said Democratic Governor John Hickenlooper just after last November’s election, in which the states of both Colorado and Washington voted to legalize recreational pot. Both states’ laws will allow state-licensed stores to sell to adults aged 21 and older, who can possess small quantities of marijuana for mostly non-public use — the big glaring problem, of course, being the marijuana is still a federal offense, creating quite the sticky wicket for how the Obama administration is going to play their enforcement on this one.

So how’s that “complicated process” going? Well, it’s going, reports BuzzFeed, but slowly. Gov. Hickenlooper says that he’s currently working with Obama’s DOJ to hammer out the kinks of just what the legal framework would look, options including:

Hickenlooper said Holder was in fact open to finding a federal framework under which Colorado could maintain the newly passed state law.

“They’re looking at how we can adjust something in the rule-making — is there something in the regulatory framework that we can accommodate the will of these voters, and can we do it in such a way that doesn’t endanger or put undue pressures on our neighboring states or other states?” …

“They have an open door to discuss it and try to work through this,” he added of Holder’s team at the Justice Department. “There’s more nuance to the law than just the black and white.” One legal option, said Hickenlooper, would be to “go back to Congress and somehow change the controlled substance laws — they’re open to all of that.”

Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington has held similar meetings with Holder about his own state’s marijuana law. “We’re both in the same boat,” said Hickenlooper.

So, still a ways to go, and I wonder if even the Obama administration has really decided exactly where they want to take this yet, but I’m curious to see how it all plays out; presumably, the final rules and regulations will get ironed out before election 2016 rolls around. Depending on how things are going in Colorado and Washington, I’m wondering how much that will give license to more conservatives to at least sign on to the federalism argument in terms of pot legalization — a view that could manage to neither scare away the youths nor alienate their elders.


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So how’s that “complicated process” going? Well, it’s going, reports BuzzFeed, but slowly.

Do potheads ever not do anything slowly (besides, of course, scarfing down bags of Doritos and tubes of cookie dough)?

steebo77 on February 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

M O R O N S.

Here we are making dope, for dopes a legal product.

Yet on in the same breath, these asshats are trying to outlaw most firearms and other inanimate objects like a magazine for a rifle.

You people are idiots and deserve what you get.

TX-96 on February 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Hickenlooper said Holder was in fact open to finding a federal framework under which Colorado could maintain the newly passed state law.

Holder seems open to finding all sorts of frameworks for all sorts of things.
As long as those things go along with a Progressive communist agenda.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Both states’ laws will allow state-licensed stores to sell to adults aged 21 and older, who can possess small quantities of marijuana for mostly non-public use — the big glaring problem, of course, being the marijuana is still a federal offense, creating quite the sticky wicket for how the Obama administration is going to play their enforcement on this one.

Either invoke the supremacy clause or allow all Federal statutes to be nullified by state laws.

Stoic Patriot on February 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

You’ll know things have been worked out when Air Force One makes frequent stops in those states.

GarandFan on February 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Dave’s Not Here.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

I’m moving to Colorado this summer so I have been following this story pretty closely. The Governor has really sabotaged the will of the voters by putting two extremely anti-marijuana people on the regulatory task force. They are trying to find ways to criminalize smoking marijuana on ones personal property if it is on an exterior porch, even though the Amendment demadned that marijuana be regulated “like alcohol.” Unless the task force is going to outlaw beer on a public porch, these people are not following the will of the voters. But did anyone really think that the prohibitionists would go away easily? Even in terms of alcohol there are still “dry counties” in this country. Its going to take a long while before the generation brainwashed by anti-marijuana propaganda and who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color, to die off before adults can make choices about what to put into their own soverign bodies.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Depending on how things are going in Colorado and Washington, I’m wondering how much that will give license to more conservatives to at least sign on to the federalism argument in terms of pot legalization — a view that could manage to neither scare away the youths nor alienate their elders.

You don’t want da yoots. More trouble then they are worth. That said, Federalism for drugs, fine (at least pot, for now, maybe not so for others).

nobar on February 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

State Supremacy for the win.

hillsoftx on February 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Dave’s Not Here.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

…lol…he’s prolley in the Lnicoln Bedroom

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

“They’re looking at how we can adjust something in the rule-making — is there something in the regulatory framework that we can accommodate the will of these voters, and can we do it in such a way that doesn’t endanger or put undue pressures on our neighboring states or other states?” …

So where was this DOJ desire to “accommodate the will of these voters” on the Arizona immigration law and California’s constitutional ban on gay marriage?

Personally, I think the marijuana laws are stupid and ought to be repealed – and I’ve never touched it. But I demand consistency in law enforcement and I await the DOJ lawsuit against Washington and Colorado.

Curmudgeon on February 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color…

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

…ahhh!…the race baiter bitchisback!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I’m moving to Colorado this summer so I have been following this story pretty closely. The Governor has really sabotaged the will of the voters by putting two extremely anti-marijuana people on the regulatory task force. They are trying to find ways to criminalize smoking marijuana on ones personal property if it is on an exterior porch, even though the Amendment demadned that marijuana be regulated “like alcohol.” Unless the task force is going to outlaw beer on a public porch, these people are not following the will of the voters. But did anyone really think that the prohibitionists would go away easily? Even in terms of alcohol there are still “dry counties” in this country. Its going to take a long while before the generation brainwashed by anti-marijuana propaganda and who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color, to die off before adults can make choices about what to put into their own soverign bodies.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

What? Are you saying that mostly colored people smoke pot? Why is it you think think pot heads are minorities?
I’d say that’s pretty racist thinking.
Geebus.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

adults can make choices about what to put into their own soverign bodies.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Wait-as a liberal, you support people who are abrogating my sovereign right to make choices about what I do with my own body at the federal level.
You’re really going to have to make up your mind about this liberty thing.
Bcs you cannot have it all ways.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

tubes of cookie dough

Moms’ homemade oatmeal cookie dough, right out of the fridge at 3:00AM after all night…..well, you know. Frickin’ awesome

Just sayin’

98ZJUSMC on February 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

I am hoping those “casual” pot smokers do not apply for a job with my employer – they will be denied a job if they test positive, and that’s a good thing. Lawsuits aplenty will arise from this law.

Philly on February 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color…

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

…color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color!…………………

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

But did anyone really think that the prohibitionists would go away easily?

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

As a liberal, you support people like Bloomberg who are soda prohibitionists.
Really dude, what fracking side of the fence do you really think you’re on?
BTW-thanks for the laugh about colored people.
My God I am still LMFAO on that one.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

“Sovereign bodies”——-proponents of this doctrine also support the Obama drone policy and continued searches of the disabled or elderly with colostomy bags if they are getting on a plane?

Do the unborn have sovereign bodies?

ObamaCare is kind of going to destroy the “it’s your body” doctrine when they start “encouraging” halthy choices in what you put in your mouth to eat.

How do Libs swallow that camel?

PappyD61 on February 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

How do Libs swallow that camel?

PappyD61 on February 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Irony is a word they do not know.
If it weren’t so dangerous, I’d laugh a hell of a lot more than I am presently.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM

adults can make choices about what to put into their own soverign bodies.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

16 oz or less..

Electrongod on February 24, 2013 at 5:32 PM

How do Libs swallow that camel?

PappyD61 on February 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

…they have ALOT of practise…s w a l l o w i n g!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM

16 oz or less..

Electrongod on February 24, 2013 at 5:32 PM

…you see on Drudge that bloomers Bloom berg wants to prohibit the two liter pops delivered with pizzas?…it will not stop!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

…The Governor has really sabotaged the will of the voters by putting two extremely anti-marijuana people on the regulatory task force. … Even in terms of alcohol there are still “dry counties” in this country. …
libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

So, do you support the “will of the people” or not? You seem to like it when “the people” vote for weed, but you don’t like it when “the people” vote to keep their own counties dry? Typical mixed-up lib.

these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color…

Shark, consider yourself jumped.

KS Rex on February 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM

You seem to like it when “the people” vote for weed, but you don’t like it when “the people” vote to keep their own counties dry? Typical mixed-up lib.

KS Rex on February 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM

They just do not understand the irony of their own stupidity.

these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color…

Shark, consider yourself jumped.

KS Rex on February 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Bwahahaha! I’m still LMFAO over that.

And I’m still waiting for WTF that is supposed to mean.
Crickets.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 5:46 PM

…you see on Drudge that bloomers Bloom berg wants to prohibit the two liter pops delivered with pizzas?…it will not stop!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

It figures..
Gwad forbid that someone could drink 15 oz and put the cap back on and place into the refrigerator for later..

How much later?
What will be the mandatory wait time before drinking from the 2 liter container again?

Electrongod on February 24, 2013 at 5:47 PM

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

What’s a “public porch”, dope?

Jaibones on February 24, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Its going to take a long while before the generation brainwashed by anti-marijuana propaganda and who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color, to die off before adults can make choices about what to put into their own soverign bodies.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Between your junior high grammar and your 5th grade thought processes, I feel younger whenever you are commenting. I thank you on behalf of colored people everywhere.

Jaibones on February 24, 2013 at 5:52 PM

I will support federalism for drugs the day the welfare state is determined the same way.

astonerii on February 24, 2013 at 5:53 PM

and who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color, to die off before adults can make choices about what to put into their own soverign bodies.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

So what you are trying to say here is that the majority of potheads and drug addicts are people of color.

Say, isn’t that sort of racist?

AZfederalist on February 24, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Great, state government going out of its way to help and create potheads, but 10+ round magazines and guns with black furniture? fuggedaboutit.

AZfederalist on February 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM

John Denver should have stayed out of experimental aircraft.

He wrote the theme song …but won’t reap the royalties.

profitsbeard on February 24, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I personally hope they legalize in Illinois so as to give Republicans a chance to win elections there while the DRUG abusers sit idly by and stare at their mothers ceilings.

DannoJyd on February 24, 2013 at 6:08 PM

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

What the devil is WRONG with you? Are you obtuse on purpose; or stuck on stupid by accident; or trying to be contrary; or do you imagine there’s an invisible a Klucker under the bed? There are drugs that can help with much of that, you know. Also, there are a lot of decaffeinated brands out there that are just as tasty as the real thing.

You’re one of a kind, that’s for sure.

Thank God for small mercies.

Liam on February 24, 2013 at 6:08 PM

I’m moving to Colorado this summer

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Taking over Ward Churchill’s old classes?

A+

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Dave’s Not Here.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Bravo Del….Thread-winner!

Rovin on February 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

I’d like to see Holder and Obama find a way to support Prop 8 in CA. After all, it was passed by the people and surely Holder wants to support the will of the people in CA too. Right? *crickets*

HoosierStateofMind on February 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

I’m moving to Colorado this summer

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Taking over Ward Churchill’s old classes?

A+

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2013 at 6:09 PM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 6:14 PM

As Ann Coulter would say, we live in a welfare state, libertarians are sucking up to liberals, and the only way this won’t be more welfare is if the state orders employers to employ potheads.

unclesmrgol on February 24, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Its going to take a long while before the generation brainwashed by anti-marijuana propaganda and who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color, to die off before adults can make choices about what to put into their own soverign bodies.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

As long as we have evidence like you to show I doubt drugs will get legalized. You see, the politicians from both sides need people to remain semi-capable so they can collect taxes from your work related efforts.

BTW, how about that Democrat Tax Increase on the ‘RICH’? You MUST be so pleased to discover that they think you are rich!

DannoJyd on February 24, 2013 at 6:27 PM

These jacka$$e$ here are hoping this will help them pass and enforce a law making gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed with there guns here even though there is a federal law that protect manufacturers from such lawsuits. They violate federal law then expect us to follow the laws they impose on us. These California, New York and Chicago transplants are ruining Colorado.

jawkneemusic on February 24, 2013 at 6:30 PM

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Stay the F out. We have enough freeloaders as it is.

jawkneemusic on February 24, 2013 at 6:33 PM

These California, New York and Chicago transplants are ruining Colorado.

jawkneemusic on February 24, 2013 at 6:30 PM

I’m from Colorado. When growing up, we knew that Boulder was 35 square miles surrounded by reality and that Denver would vote for idiots like Pat Schroeder. But it seems that recently they’ve really gone over the deep end. The dolts being elected now are even worse than Dick “I want them to stand up dammit” Lamb.

AZfederalist on February 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM

I’m moving to Colorado this summer

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I new the legalization of marijuana would attract all the lowlife, moocher junkies from other states. This state is longer a good place to raise a family.

jawkneemusic on February 24, 2013 at 6:39 PM

and who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color,
– The nagging LibFreeOrDie

the problem is that LibFreeOrDie is a a person who nags us here at HA all the time!. I mean she uses idiotic logic that only a nagger like her could fathom. Do all people who nag, think this way? I think it’s genetic. Darwin was right. Eat it libs.

RavingLunatic on February 24, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Marijuana is given by nature. Gay marriage is not. I’d rather have pot legalized rather then so called gay marriage.

At least with the legalization of it more people will be able to get away from drug dealers. I don’t think most people that smoke pot want anything to do with any other drug other then alcohol.

Gatekeeper on February 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM

a view that could manage to neither scare away the youths nor alienate their elders.

The “elders”are mostly from the Woodstock generation and know all about pot.That’s why so many are liberal and vote dem.The Repubs need to wise up about pot and go with the flow.Most of the conservative people I know have indulged at some point and look at it as no big thing.I’ve known a man for years that was a lobbiest for one of the large phone company’s and was always looking for pot,pills,and women to entertain congressmen.

docflash on February 24, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Gay marriage is not.
Gatekeeper on February 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Actually, gayness is natural. So is cancer. Doesn;t mean it’s right or should even be tolerated. That said, Alan Turing whom not for him, we would not be chatting this way today, was a gay.

RavingLunatic on February 24, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Can’t the states that want this simply find out what change to the federal law would have to be made to make it legal, and then work through their representatives to introduce and pass it?

Our government is so screwed up that everybody seems to consider it the last option to have the legislature… well, legislate.

Socratease on February 24, 2013 at 6:53 PM

I’m from Colorado. When growing up, we knew that Boulder was 35 square miles surrounded by reality and that Denver would vote for idiots like Pat Schroeder. But it seems that recently they’ve really gone over the deep end. The dolts being elected now are even worse than Dick “I want them to stand up dammit” Lamb.

AZfederalist on February 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM

This new crop of “representatives” are an absolute joke. Bunch of clowns. From cry baby Hickenlooper too rape whistle Salazar too judo Rosenthal too ball point pen Uliberri too slip and fall lawyer Morse too NY gay yuppie Ferradino, most of these disastrous hacks who aren’t even Colorado natives have made us a laughing stock. They don’t understand our culture or respect our values. Many of them are rich inner city leftists or ex ACLU lawyers who are turning Colorado into a cesspool that attracts flies like LiveFreeOffOthers. So sick of these people. 10 years ago these pieces of crap would never have gotten elected if it wasn’t for the moocher class transplants for other states. 70% of my sisters classmates come from failed liberal states. I fear I may have to flee my home of birth for a saner red state much sooner than I wanted too. Especially with the passage of these marijuana laws.

jawkneemusic on February 24, 2013 at 6:55 PM

docflash on February 24, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Gay marriage is not.
Gatekeeper on February 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM

I mean read about his life. The British Gov gave him hormone therapy to ‘cure’ him. He eventually committed suicide. A fitting ending to the genius who broke the Enigma Code during WWII.

P.S. Gays should NOT be allowed to adobt. The family unit of a mother and father is fundamental to civiliation itself. That this abnormal behavior is allowed to exist at all is a sign of our benevolent nature. Just ask the Islamists.

RavingLunatic on February 24, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Marijuana is given by nature. Gay marriage is not. I’d rather have pot legalized rather then so called gay marriage.

At least with the legalization of it more people will be able to get away from drug dealers. I don’t think most people that smoke pot want anything to do with any other drug other then alcohol.

Gatekeeper on February 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM

I disagree. Just about everyone I know and have ever known who are pot heads either occasionally or frequently use other drugs like cocaine or hallucinogens.

jawkneemusic on February 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I’ve never done any illegal drugs and even if these drugs were legalized in my state, I would not. However, this is really a state issue, and if Colorado and Washington citizens vote to open this up, then that is their right. The Feds have nothing to say about it, and I am looking forward to lawsuits against the federal government that clarify this.

cptacek on February 24, 2013 at 7:10 PM

marijuana leagalization is ” Progressive communist agenda?”
Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

what we have here,is,failure to communicate,some men you just cant reach!!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Either invoke the supremacy clause or allow all Federal statutes to be nullified by state laws.

Stoic Patriot on February 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Why does the constitution give congress the authority to make (federal) laws, and what laws are permissible? Seems like this “states’ rights” argument is being taken to the extreme by some self-professed “constitutionalists.”

One can argue whether it’s permissible for the Feds to outlaw marijuana, but I don’t believe that you can argue that the states have the right to overrule federal law without a legitimate challenge to it. That didn’t happen in this situation. CO and WA have just ignored federal law and made up their own rules. I would tend to believe that it ought to be the Feds’ responsibility to uphold federal law, in the absence of that legitimate challenge.

JannyMae on February 24, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Here we are making dope, for dopes a legal product.

TX-96 on February 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

seems I no no one that fits your dicripition of them.
matter of fact,everyone I know that party are productive members of society.

what we really need in this country,is a big fat dose of MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 7:23 PM

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

ABSOLUTLY!!!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I am hoping those “casual” pot smokers do not apply for a job with my employer – they will be denied a job if they test positive, and that’s a good thing. Lawsuits aplenty will arise from this law.

Philly on February 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

GOT FASCISM??

non-probable cause drug testing is SOCIAL REGEMENTATION.

social regimentation is fascism.

Webster and English dictionary.

pi$$ and blood testing is not on the job IMPAIRMENT test!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 7:34 PM

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Oh shut up. It’s his business. He gets to decide whom he wishes to employ. I would do the same. Pot makes most of its users lazy, dumb and neurotic. It’s not a harmless drug. It’s been proven to have great psychological affects on the mind especially for those who are already teetering on the edge of loonyville.

jawkneemusic on February 24, 2013 at 7:42 PM

…and who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color, …

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Every

single

post.

You really are quite the racist. And a liar.

But then, you’re an idiot.

Solaratov on February 24, 2013 at 7:56 PM

these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color…

Shark, consider yourself jumped.

KS Rex on February 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Bwahahaha! I’m still LMFAO over that.

And I’m still waiting for WTF that is supposed to mean.
Crickets.

Badger40 on February 24, 2013 at 5:46 PM

It would seem that liveasaslaveanddie is saying that “all colored people are potheads”…or at least, overwhelming numbers of them.

Of course, s/he/it’s a racist…and an idiot. What else to expect?

Solaratov on February 24, 2013 at 8:01 PM

*Lights*

*Inhales*

*Holds it*

*Exhales*

Ahhhhhh…. “Making marijuana illegal is like saying God made a mistake.” -Bill Hicks

Genuine on February 24, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Dave’s Not Here.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

…man…

JohnGalt23 on February 24, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Seems to me that it would be quite easy to just say “no state assets, personnel, or facilities will be used to enforce Federal drug law” and go from there. After all, the Feds only have 116 prisons and already have 210,000 inmates to deal with — they’d have a heckuva time adding 50,000 pot-smoking Coloradans.

cthulhu on February 24, 2013 at 8:27 PM

WRONG!

You can’t put the horse before the carriage!

I’m actually FOR some drug legalization. —>_HOWEVER_<– many things must occur _BEFORE_ this. We must completely DE-Socialize this country, dismantle the welfare state so dopers are not being paid, or encouraged to not work because they are " addicted " and allow clear minded citizens to defend themselves against dopers with whatever rifle they choose when they break into homes to steal food, water, and basic living supplies, or whatever else. And thats just ONE aspect. If our country completely eliminates free _STUFF_ for drug users, people abusing alcohol and stops giving endless waves of money to people, I'm FOR some forms of dope being legal, in your home, as long as you dont smoke/ingest or otherwise use it in the presence of, or while you are responsible for children, including your own.

Theres the extremely difficult problem of proving when someone is intoxicated, drugs or whiskey. Theres no punishment that is effective in place NOW to combat the criminal misuse of it that actually works.

All these effects of drug legalization must be considered first because if you don't, you end up with COLORADO where right now its legal to drive under the influence of THC because theres no way to prove when someone is under the influence! You cant just run around and advocate for everything to be ” legal ” before you prepare the ” legal ” system for the effects of it, simply because you know some people who can function with occasional, recreational marijuana use. Thats not the problem. Its already happening right now and I’m with you on it, some people can do it. A lot can not, especially with alcohol. Is that your fault? NO. However, Alcohol is already there to prove to you what happens as a result, even _WITH_ scientific guidelines on effects of it on the human body. People cant handle that, in today’s world. But you advocate yet ANOTHER intoxicant that our legal system has little scientific data to use in court to prosecute cases. Should they already? I think so, yes! But one of the hardest crimes to prosecute is driving while intoxicated. This must be fixed first.

You ( not YOU necessarily but PEOPLE in general ) cant be pushing for drugs-for-all and at the same time be for banning guns, or gun attachments and claim to be one that supports personal freedom, pet-peeve #13 with drug legalization crowd. Be consistent, or STFU.

Nowhere in the constitution does it say you have a right to consume, posses or otherwise HAVE marijuana. However, it does specifically address other items as we know, such as ARMS. For anyone to say it’s ” freedom ” to smoke dope is misunderstanding what ” God given rights ” people actually have, and what rights they WANT to have, are.

Minding your own business is a GREAT idea! However, when your ‘business’ involves and affects other people directly, it’s no longer a private matter.

The legal system in Colorado must catch up very quickly, and they will, but this must be done FIRST To protect innocent people. Not necessarily the way CO and WA did it. There has to be a way to deal with the immediate influx of drug users which is effective that of course will subside.

Here we are making dope, for dopes a legal product.

TX-96 on February 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

seems I no no one that fits your dicripition of them.
matter of fact,everyone I know that party are productive members of society.

what we really need in this country,is a big fat dose of MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 7:23 PM

TX-96 on February 24, 2013 at 8:29 PM

seems I no no one that fits your dicripition of them.
matter of fact,everyone I know that party are productive members of society.

what we really need in this country,is a big fat dose of MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Hmmm.A little stoned, are we…

or just a product of modrn public education?

Solaratov on February 24, 2013 at 8:30 PM

…modern…

Solaratov on February 24, 2013 at 8:37 PM

If you get caught by the Feds with pot, just tell them you are an undocumented worker and/or you live in Framingham, Mass. where you work in a liquor store while being related to Obama.

And don’t forget to mention you were stopped for DUI and should be deported.

That should take care of it!

Sherman1864 on February 24, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Here we are making dope, for dopes a legal product.

TX-96 on February 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

seems I no no one that fits your dicripition of them.
matter of fact,everyone I know that party are productive members of society.

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Look in the mirror, bless your heart.

In a paltry attempt to remedy some gaps in your education to date:

It seems I know no one that fits your description. As a matter of fact, everyone I know that parties is a productive member of society.

Dealers, perhaps?

Sigh.

talkingpoints on February 24, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I’m moving to Colorado this summer so I have been following this story pretty closely. The Governor has really sabotaged the will of the voters by putting two extremely anti-marijuana people on the regulatory task force. … these people are not following the will of the voters.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I like the way Wyoming follows the will of the voters:

Rev. Audette Fulbright had emailed all state legislators, including Republican Rep. Hans Hunt, earlier this month to say she and her husband had just moved to Wyoming and were “seriously reconsidering” their decision amid the proposed expansion of gun laws. …(a bill that would have allowed people with concealed carry permits to carry guns in public schools, colleges and sporting events)… “I know of other new-to-Wyoming families in similar contemplation. Your choices matter. It would be sad to see an exodus of educated, childrearing age adults from Wyoming as a result of poor lawmaking,” she wrote.

Hunt’s response? “By all means, leave.”

“I’ll be blunt,” he wrote back. “If you don’t like the political atmosphere of Wyoming, then by all means, leave. We, who have been here a very long time (I am proudly 4th generation) are quite proud of our independent heritage.”

AesopFan on February 24, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Hmmm.A little stoned, are we…

or just a product of modrn public education?

Solaratov on February 24, 2013 at 8:30 PM

nope!
drug tested 3 times at work this year,and not one positive.
there was absolutely no grounds to test me,other than I have been very out spoken about a procedure that only DETECTS something I might have in my system, but yet not DETECT my impairment while iam on the job.
these kinds of programs should be detested by people who claim to be pro liberty.
this was the governments back door way to fight their failed drug war. this is nothing more than a program to control people. its social regimentation, which is fascist.

what might you bring to the debate? refer madness?

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Look in the mirror, bless your heart.

In a paltry attempt to remedy some gaps in your education to date:

It seems I know no one that fits your description. As a matter of fact, everyone I know that parties is a productive member of society.

Dealers, perhaps?

Sigh.

talkingpoints on February 24, 2013 at 9:16 PM

lets make it easy for you simpleton.
every body I know works.

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Here’s a question: how will CO and WA be able to tell the difference between legally purchased cannabis plants and those that were obtained through the black market (without the associated sin taxes)?

blammm on February 24, 2013 at 9:48 PM

drug tested 3 times at work this year,and not one positive.
there was absolutely no grounds to test me,other than I have been very out spoken about a procedure that only DETECTS something I might have in my system, but yet not DETECT my impairment while iam on the job.
these kinds of programs should be detested by people who claim to be pro liberty.
this was the governments back door way to fight their failed drug war. this is nothing more than a program to control people. its social regimentation, which is fascist.

So it’s unreasonable when a business voluntarily tests for heroin because somehow it’s a fascistic attempt to control people? You ultimate individualists really are the most depraved people on the planet.

nobar on February 24, 2013 at 10:10 PM

nobar on February 24, 2013 at 10:10 PM

its was never voluntary,companies were bribed by the government to do what the constitution forbid them to do, and yes, that is to control my private life. if iam intoxicated at work,thats one thing,but if I smoke weed while watching Daytona on sunday, and test positive on Monday (not impaired) just in my system,yes that is wrong and you should deplore the practice,and yes it fascist.

fascism is social regimentation,and social regemention is controlling what certain people do.
Webster and English dic.
try reading,might learn something!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Open your own business. Problem solved.

cptacek on February 24, 2013 at 10:25 PM

TX-96 on February 24, 2013 at 8:29 PM

I can agree with a lot of what you say.

but yes the constitution does give me a right to persue my happiness.we all persue our own personel happiness,and I believe that is why john lock changed the persuit of property to the persuit of happiness.

if all drug users were out there destroying property and killing and infringing on other people rights,theres nothing anybody would be able to about it. were already bursting at the seams with 1.8 million in the penal system. if all drug user’s are violent criminals,just how in the hell would we control the estimated 30-50 million drug user’s if they all started committing REAL CRIMES?

I know I went off the rails a little bit,and didn’t stay on point,but I do understand and agree with what you said.

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 10:26 PM

its was never voluntary,companies were bribed by the government to do what the constitution forbid them to do, and yes, that is to control my private life. if iam intoxicated at work,thats one thing,but if I smoke weed while watching Daytona on sunday, and test positive on Monday (not impaired) just in my system,yes that is wrong and you should deplore the practice,and yes it fascist.

It’s called professionalism. Not all major business test for drugs because they were forced to, some actually want their employees to look professional. That is obviously lost on you.

nobar on February 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM

cptacek on February 24, 2013 at 10:25 PM
so much for believing in liberty.
is there really any wonder why people think republican party is full of fascist??

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 10:32 PM

It’s called professionalism. Not all major business test for drugs because they were forced to, some actually want their employees to look professional. That is obviously lost on you.

nobar on February 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM
actually more business’s are getting away from the practice because they don’t want to infringe on their employees life.
there’s less drug testing now than when it was the rave in the 80′s and 90′s.

actually it wasn’t about LOOKING PROFESSIONAL,it’s was put it place under the guise of SAFETY. which is also a joke because they skew the numbers.

that is obviously lost on you!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 10:40 PM

cptacek on February 24, 2013 at 10:25 PM
so much for believing in liberty.
is there really any wonder why people think republican party is full of fascist??

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 10:32 PM

So pulling off Galt’s Gulch is now fascist? Sheesh.

nobar on February 24, 2013 at 10:41 PM

actually more business’s are getting away from the practice because they don’t want to infringe on their employees life.
there’s less drug testing now than when it was the rave in the 80′s and 90′s.

actually it wasn’t about LOOKING PROFESSIONAL,it’s was put it place under the guise of SAFETY. which is also a joke because they skew the numbers.

that is obviously lost on you!!

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 10:40 PM

So might makes right. Got it.

nobar on February 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM

There’s more nuance to the law than just the black and white.”

I remember back in the day, before the proglodytes took over the Democratic party, legal and illegal had firm, unbending definitions. It kind of makes me want to ignore filing taxes this year so I can tell the IRS that non-compliance is actually full compliance.

Wendya on February 24, 2013 at 10:51 PM

these kinds of programs should be detested by people who claim to be pro liberty.
this was the governments back door way to fight their failed drug war. this is nothing more than a program to control people. its social regimentation, which is fascist.

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 9:36 PM

My company tests for drugs. My employees all know at the time they’re hired they have to pass an initial test and can be tested at random, any damned time I please. If they don’t like it, they don’t have to work for me. Due to the litigious nature of our society, I’d be insane not to have a drug free company policy. I’m sure not going to risk losing everything so an employee can smoke a joint on their day off.

Wendya on February 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I’m moving to Durango and open the Choom Gang Pot house

Drill and Fill on February 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

svs22422 on February 24, 2013

…t a k e…i t …e a s y !…you’re with friends!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM

I’m moving to Durango and open the Choom Gang Pot house

Drill and Fill on February 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Wendya on February 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Do you test your employees for alcohol, too, then? Because alcohol is far more dangerous than MJ.

FloatingRock on February 25, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Wendya on February 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Do you ever drink alcohol?

FloatingRock on February 25, 2013 at 12:55 AM

The real issue is marijuana is still listed as a “Schedule I” controlled substance. States don’t have any authority to remove it. Congress should. Then the states could legalize or prohibit it as they wish.

Adjoran on February 25, 2013 at 2:03 AM

At least with the legalization of it more people will be able to get away from drug dealers. I don’t think most people that smoke pot want anything to do with any other drug other then alcohol.

Gatekeeper on February 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM

In general I think you are probably correct but don’t forget about Red Bulls and of course Mountain Dew. Caffeine and THC go together quite well, in fact, better than THC and alcohol. They really need to do something about alcohol, though. It slows a person’s thinking, slows their reactions and generally turns them into self-righteous a-holes. Oh yeah, been there, done that. Didn’t work. Those who ignore the past…

rhombus on February 25, 2013 at 6:55 AM

While high on pot it’s difficult to remember if the traffic light you just passed was green. I think the same applies to someone doing your blood work in a lab. Scary !

mixplix on February 25, 2013 at 8:53 AM

svs22422 on February 24, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Most employment situations in this country are “at will” meaning that either the employer or the employee can terminate the arrangement at any time for any reason. The company I work for has a number of policies that I must abide by (drug/alcohol free while at work, dress code, etc). If I have a problem with any of these, I am free to quit my job at any time. That’s hardly fascism.

LukeinNE on February 25, 2013 at 9:31 AM

the generation brainwashed by anti-marijuana propaganda and who know that these laws overwhelmingly hurt people of color, to die off before adults can make choices about what to put into their own soverign bodies.

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Overwhelming proof that marijuana causes brain damage.

Or, that liberals are brain damaged.

Hmmmm, nature vs nurture thing again… can’t decide.

LoganSix on February 25, 2013 at 9:40 AM

brainwashed by anti-marijuana propaganda

libfreeordie on February 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Thanks, but empirical evidence (yes, anecdote is not data, that’s why I say “evidence) that has happened before my very eyes is not “brainwashed”.

As to this, I agree that the federal government has no business regulating drugs that aren’t involved in interstate commerce (or international). But, that’s true of a whole lot of things they have their fingers in. Problem is, we aren’t going to fix that problem anytime soon – and marijuana laws is probably a bad place to begin to renew the federalist spirit. Of course, it might be the only way we get the low information stoners voters on our side.

GWB on February 25, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Do you test your employees for alcohol, too, then? Because alcohol is far more dangerous than MJ.

FloatingRock on February 25, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Almost universally, in cases where random drug tests are executed on the job, alcohol is considered a drug and included in the tests. So, yes.

As to your opinion on the danger associated with each, it is just that: an opinion.

GWB on February 25, 2013 at 12:13 PM

If this passes, anyone care to guess on how long until ‘discrimination’ on the basis of chemical use is ‘unconstitutional’ (or somesuch blather) and it is then illegal to fire someone for said chemical use?

Or in other words, imagine a company being told something like “You will let my client drive that Caterpillar or I will sue you into the poorhouse, and the fact that he has a blunt in his hand is not a legal reason so say no”?

MelonCollie on February 25, 2013 at 12:48 PM

I am real disappointed that livelikeaslaveanddie didn’t reply to my question regarding its comment about colored folks being drug abusers.
Comment & run coward.

Badger40 on February 25, 2013 at 2:03 PM

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