Stunner: ObamaCare-supporting Congressman suddenly not so sure you can keep your insurance after all

posted at 12:01 pm on February 22, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Are you as shocked as Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY)?  Somehow, I rather doubt it, and I don’t think Jason Mattera is as surprised as the front-page pic suggests, either.  Confronted with the new CBO analysis that shows more than seven million Americans will lose their present health-insurance coverage from ObamaCare despite his repeated assertions that no one would lose their coverage, Rep. Engel tells Jason in this Andrea Tantaros Show video debuting exclusively at Hot Air that Congress can always go back and fix what’s not working.

Funny — Jason doesn’t recall that being mentioned as an option, and neither do I:

Of course, Nancy Pelosi did tell us that we needed to pass the bill to see what was in it.  How’s that working out for us?  Not so hot, as it turns out, and it’s about to get worse for seniors in Medicare Advantage plans.  Avik Roy reminds us that CMS helpfully postponed the deep cuts to the program until after the election so as to remove all of that messy accountability that politicians despise, and “the boom” is coming:

Though Democrats denied it during the 2012 campaign, Obamacare cut Medicare by $716 billion in order to partially fund $1.9 trillion in new entitlement spending over the next ten years. A big chunk of those Medicare cuts came from the market-oriented Medicare Advantage program. Cleverly, the Obama administration postponed the Medicare Advantage cuts until after the election, so as to persuade seniors that everything would be just fine. But the election is over. On Friday, the administration announced that it would be significantly reducing funding for the popular program. Obama’s proposal, according to one analyst, “would turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable.”

Democrats have long been hostile to the Medicare Advantage program, which allows seniors to get their Medicare coverage through plans administered by private insurers. Today, more than a quarter of retirees get their coverage through Medicare Advantage, and the program has experienced rapid growth over the past decade. Richard Foster, the recently-retired chief actuary of the Medicare program, has projected that Obamacare’s cuts to Medicare Advantage would force half of its current enrollees to switch back to the old, 1965-vintage Medicare program. Robert Book and James Capretta estimate that this will cost enrollees an average of $3,714 in 2017 alone.

The new rates proposed by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a.k.a. CMS, will have the net effect of reducing payments to Medicare Advantage plans by 7 to 8 percent in 2014, according to Citi managed care analyst Carl McDonald. “This includes the 2.3% reduction in per capita growth rate announced by CMS on Friday, and estimated 2-3% drop as rates move to parity with fee for service…a 1.5% reduction associated with the change in coding intensity adjustment” and the 2% health insurance premium tax. “These negatives are partially offset by an estimated 1% benefit from improved Star quality ratings, re-basing, better risk scores, and fee for service normalization, resulting in an overall decline of 7-8%,” wrote McDonald yesterday in a note to clients.

Because the typical for-profit managed care plan targets profit margins of only 5 percent, and non-profits even less, the net consequence would “turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable,” according to McDonald, unless CMS changes its proposal. “If implemented, these rates and the program changes CMS is suggesting would be enormously disruptive to Medicare Advantage, likely forcing a number of smaller plans out of the business and creating disarray for many seniors.”

B-b-b-b-but if you like your plan, you can keep your plan!  That’s what Obama and Democrats like Engel told Americans for months, and even years … until Obama was safely re-elected.  Eliot Engel has this message for his constituents (NSFW):


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

I predict the a subsequent step will be repeated and ongoing discussion of how a single-payer system would solve all this.

Drained Brain on February 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

It’s almost as if the entire demorat caucus went ahead and supported a 3,000 page bill that they hadn’t read merely because their Dog Eating Retard of a Preznit supported the effing thing.

But I know better because demorats are for the little guy. And they’re smarter than the rest of us.

Bishop on February 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I predict the a subsequent step will be repeated and ongoing discussion of how a single-payer system would solve all this.

Drained Brain on February 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Bingo! That’s EXACTLY what the Democrats would propose as a solution to their clusterfark.

ButterflyDragon on February 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Of course, Nancy Pelosi did tell us that we needed to pass the bill to see what was in it. How’s that working out for us?

“Drained Brain” is right. This is deliberately flawed legislation which is a camel’s nose for single-payer.

And if you think you can keep your present insurance under single-payer — heh — a bridge in Brooklyn is available for purchase if you want it…

unclesmrgol on February 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Jason Mattera… one of the Last Reporters…

shinty on February 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Started out E pluribus unum.

Went to E pluribus duo.

It is E Pluribus Screw’em now.

The gov’t is out to destroy you. Wake up or perish.

Schadenfreude on February 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Engel = Angel

Schadenfreude on February 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Didn’t you guys catch the “fact checkers” calling this loss of your selected insurance a red herring?

Didn’t you see Dr. Krauthammer called a lair for the characterization that Obamacare was a gov’t takeover of healthcare?

Didn’t you hear how great everything would be?

IlikedAUH2O on February 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM

L.I.B.

chimney sweep on February 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM

I wish we could ship every one of these losers who voted for Obamacrap over to China. We’d be better off if we picked random people up off the street to fill their spots in Congress.

Othniel on February 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I wish we could ship every one of these losers who voted for Obamacrap over to China. We’d be better off if we picked random people up off the street to fill their spots in Congress.

Othniel on February 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM

And that goes for a lot of Republicans too!

Othniel on February 22, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Health-care insurance is the least of the things you may not be able to keep much longer …

“If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.” ~~ Ronald Reagan

RedPepper on February 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

This would be an entertaining farce if so much wasn’t at stake.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

B-b-b-b-but if you like your plan, you can keep your plan! That’s what Obama and Democrats like Engel told Americans for months, and even years … until Obama was safely re-elected.

So Ed, let me get this straight, are you suggesting that the Democrats intentionally lied to advance their agenda?

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Got to give some credit to Mr. Engel, he didn’t get all bent out of shape or run off.

Really love how his smarmy lickspittle aid runs in there…

Pricks…every last one of them..

SSSMMYF!!

BigWyo on February 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell will introduce a bi-partisan bill to convert everyone to single payer. It’s the law of the land !

Mr. Arrogant on February 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Time for folks to start reading up on Canada’s “Saint Tommy Douglas,” whose socialist political party broke a doctor’s strike in the province of Saskatchewan to implement Medicare. And where more suitable to read about than in the archives of the left-leaning Canadian Broadcasting Corporation:

In Saskatchewan, Premier Tommy Douglas and his socialist party, the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF), had been in power since 1944 and had been the first government in the country to provide hospital insurance for its citizens.

Now in 1960, with a provincial election looming, Douglas was ready to take the next step and introduce universal, publicly funded medical care – known as medicare – not just in hospitals, but also in clinics and doctors offices.

“Surely the time has come in Saskatchewan … for us to take this next great forward step and set up in the province of Saskatchewan a pre-paid medical care program.”

The attempt to bring medicare to Saskatchewan was the latest in a series of measures adopted across Canada and throughout the western world in the years after the Second World War. The measures were based on the premise that governments owed their citizens a reasonable standard of living and access to basic services.

But Saskatchewan doctors complained that they would be turned into civil servants, unable to follow their own judgment about what was best for their patients. They argued that medicare was another step down a slippery socialistic slope

“This is like asking the doctors if they would like to try a hanging and if they didn’t like it, it could be undone!,” said a Saskatchewan doctor.

The Saskatchewan Liberals, led by Ross Thatcher, backed the doctors and attacked Douglas.

“The socialists say, elect us, even with a 35 per cent majority, and we will ram a scheme down your throat.”

Could something like that ever happen here? Nah…

Drained Brain on February 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Was there ever any doubt? Obama was lying through his teeth. Which I might add, he does often.

kemojr on February 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Which I might add, he does often.

kemojr on February 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM

By often, I presume you mean every time he opens his mouth…

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM

I’m highly offended that this blog would allow that ‘Animal House’ video to be embedded …

He says the ‘F’ word hello????

BigWyo on February 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM

It’s time for this [sadly] rhetorical question -

Will the People ever have had enough?

OhEssYouCowboys on February 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM

This would be an entertaining farce if so much wasn’t at stake.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Well, there’s actually nothing ‘at stake’ anymore.

Law of the land and all….

BigWyo on February 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM

It’s time for this [sadly] rhetorical question -

Will the People ever have had enough?

OhEssYouCowboys on February 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM

A frog can be boiled alive, if it’s done slowly enough.

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 12:35 PM

At least he didn’t hide behind his lickspittle aid or get all pissy about it.

BigWyo on February 22, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Pop! Goes the weasel.

Lots a weasels with a D by their name these days.

ajacksonian on February 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian!” — Henry Ford

Schadenfreude on February 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

The Goopers in the house should block any and all attempt to tinker with this monstrosity of a clusterfark so the people that voted for it reap the rewards. Meet every attempt with a re-introduction of full repeal.

It will be worth a few years of pain to finally scrap this crap.

can_con on February 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian!” — Henry Ford

Schadenfreude on February 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Yea, but Henry Ford was a rich evil Robber Baron white Capitalist dude, what the heII did he know anyways?

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Obama………the death panel of the American healthcare industry.

Obama………the death panel of Coal plants and energy to fuel our economy.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/22/obama-administration-moves-forward-on-climate-change-without-congress

Obama Administration Moves Forward on Climate Change Without Congress
Forthcoming regulation likely means no new coal-fired power plants will be built in the United States

President Barack Obama is tired of waiting for Congress to move on legislation to reduce carbon emissions, and his administration is poised to move forward on actions to do just that—including a move that will effectively eliminate the possibility of any new coal plant opening in the United States, experts say.

“We can choose to believe that Superstorm Sandy, and the most severe drought in decades, and the worst wildfires some states have ever seen were all just a freak coincidence,” Obama said during his State of the Union address. “Or we can choose to believe in the overwhelming judgment of science—and act before it’s too late.”

Climate change has been a controversial public policy issue in recent years, as many conservative Republicans have denied a relationship between carbon emissions and incremental increases in temperatures, which many scientists link to increasingly severe weather events.

Democrats, on the other hand, have used the evidence to push for regulations limiting carbon emissions. In 2009, the Democratically controlled House of Representatives passed landmark climate-change legislation but the Senate, also controlled by Democrats, declined to take up the measure heading into the 2010 elections.

Now, with Republicans in control of the House, it’s even more unlikely Congress will act on any bill that would accomplish the president’s goals, so the president indicated he’s moving forward on his own.

“If Congress won’t act soon to protect future generations, I will,” he said.

DOTUS, baby……whether you freaking Americans like it or not.

PappyD61 on February 22, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Elections have consequences, even for low information voters.

GarandFan on February 22, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I predict seniors losing access to healthcare that they would have had if not for ObamaCare, and we should see a higher incidence of elderly suicides because of it. At least there won’t be a need for death panels. Thanks, Dog-eater. Thanks, Peolosi/Reid, et al. Thanks stupid low-life/ low-inforamtion voters, And a very big THANKS to Supreme Court Justice Roberts. Thank you all so very, very much. I wish you all Karma.

HiJack on February 22, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Reducing full-time employees to 28 hours

Not hiring the 50th employee

Companies are dropping health coverage for spouses to cut
costs

Only the beginning

CoffeeLover on February 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM

for us to take this next great forward step

Why do I keep hearing that phrase when associated with govt-run healthcare? Heck, why do I keep hearing it in conjunction with the government?

GWB on February 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM

“If Congress won’t act soon to protect future generations, I will,” he said.

Um… All Obama has done is BONE future generations.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell will introduce a bi-partisan bill to convert everyone to single payer. It’s the law of the land !

Mr. Arrogant on February 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

That has been the Dems/Socialists plan all along. It’s coming.

HiJack on February 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I believe that the estimate is that 7 million employees will lose coverage. Many of those cover other family members which mean that many more people will be effected. The CBO has a terrible track record for predicting costs and economic trends.

Many current plans would no longer be legal under the Unaffordable Health Care Act and those employers will have to decide on paying much more for the mandated coverage or paying the tax. I predict more and more will opt for the tax.

Laurence on February 22, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Read this and another article today that tells us that the EPA is well on its way to outlawing any, yes any, new coal fired power plants. How much does this guy have to do to you before you demand a change through impeachment or new law makers that might have some interest in you, your country and your future? It’s getting very dark out there and the sun may not shine again any time soon.

Pardonme on February 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM

for us to take this next great forward step

Why do I keep hearing that phrase when associated with govt-run healthcare? Heck, why do I keep hearing it in conjunction with the government?

GWB on February 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Because the Obamanation Administration are enamored of and attempting to emulate the Marxist regime of Mao Zedong, if the phrase “great forward step” sounds vaguely familiar it should, it is a minor rephrasing of Mao’s supposed greatest achievement, his “Great Leap Forward“.

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 1:00 PM

for us to take this next great forward step

Why do I keep hearing that phrase when associated with govt-run healthcare? Heck, why do I keep hearing it in conjunction with the government?

GWB on February 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Wait til he says Great Leap. Then you know it’s on.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM

It kicks in full bore Jan 1 2014,the midterm elaction is 11 months away.The question is this enough time for the people to see the damage
and realize who did it?

docflash on February 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM

GWB on February 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Wait til he says Great Leap. Then you know it’s on.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM

What? you don’t think the Mao Christmas bulb said Great Leap forward in huge neon letters?

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Reducing full-time employees to 28 hours

Not hiring the 50th employee

Companies are dropping health coverage for spouses to cut
costs

Only the beginning

CoffeeLover on February 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Can’t be true. Crr6 told me it wouldn’t happen.

stvnscott on February 22, 2013 at 1:08 PM

It kicks in full bore Jan 1 2014,the midterm elaction is 11 months away.The question is this enough time for the people to see the damage
and realize who did it?

docflash on February 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Obama will blame it all on the Republicans, and the MSM will lap it up.

Ward Cleaver on February 22, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I hear the FEMA camps are gonna have great infirmaries.

Akzed on February 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM

What? you don’t think the Mao Christmas bulb said Great Leap forward in huge neon letters?

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I thought ‘fundamentally transform’ was the bright flashing sign.

I just wonder when 51% of the country will catch on.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Reducing full-time employees to 28 hours

Not hiring the 50th employee

Companies are dropping health coverage for spouses to cut
costs

Only the beginning

CoffeeLover on February 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Can’t be true. Crr6 told me it wouldn’t happen.

stvnscott on February 22, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I miss “her”… I wonder how her personal health care plan is doing?

Khun Joe on February 22, 2013 at 1:13 PM

I had a feeling the Demos were lying to us, because —– well, lips —– moving. That’s about it.

NeoDawg on February 22, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I just wonder when 51% of the country will catch on.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I would say, about the time they are being loaded into the cattle cars head for the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Reeducation and Conservative Patriotic American Elimination Facilities.

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Drained Brain on February 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Yep. The Democrats’ solution to fixing it will of course be MORE government.

The cuts to Medicare are definitely kicking in. My father has already had a claim denied that he feels would have been paid a year ago.

TarheelBen on February 22, 2013 at 1:24 PM

docflash on February 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM</blockquot

fully kicks in tax wise in 10 months 9 days, mid-terms in 20 months 12 days

Should be an interesting election

DanMan on February 22, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I just wonder when 51% of the country will catch on.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I would say, about the time they are being loaded into the cattle cars head for the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Reeducation and Conservative Patriotic American Elimination Facilities.

SWalker on February 22, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Five years ago I would have said you were a crazy tin-foil-hat-wearing nut job.

Now… Now I think you might be right.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I just wonder when 51% of the country will catch on.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 1:12 PM

About the time the lights flicker and go out, they smell smoke, and hear the sound of not-too-distant gunfire.

Midas on February 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

ongoing discussion of how a single-payer system would solve all this.
Drained Brain on February 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Instructions:
1. Take a mouthful of single-payer kool-aid.
2. Swish 30 seconds.
3. Swallow.
4. Repeat steps 1-3 as needed, more if you think it’s not needed.

Marcola on February 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

LOL…Obama’s just another street jive a$$

DevilsPrinciple on February 22, 2013 at 1:47 PM

…idiots!

KOOLAID2 on February 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

LOL…Obama’s just another low-life street jive a$$

DevilsPrinciple on February 22, 2013 at 1:47 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM

I predict seniors losing access to healthcare that they would have had if not for ObamaCare, and we should see a higher incidence of elderly suicides because of it. At least there won’t be a need for death panels. . . . . wish you all Karma.

HiJack on February 22, 2013 at 12:50 PM

No death panel for me. I already have the means to the end and I’m a healthy 70+. Saw this coming as soon as O’care was proposed. As an added benefit, the government will save Social Security payments for those of us who make our own “end of life” decisions.

polarglen on February 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

sucks when reality sets in…this country deserves what its gonna get

RedInMD on February 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

if you like your doctor, you can keep him, until we run him out of business and then shortly thereafter you’ll get to enjoy single payer with no choices and coverage for all!

burserker on February 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Elections have consequences.

jnelchef on February 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM

I just wonder when 51% of the country will catch on.

Washington Nearsider on February 22, 2013 at 1:12 PM

They’ve already caught on. And they’ve learned they can depend on the Democrat party to keep the freebies coming.

“We’ll just vote our way into your wallet”

BobMbx on February 22, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The rest of the Otter quote:

You f*ed up… you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.

Fallon on February 22, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I believe that when the Bill takes full effect – Democrats will be about as popular as an STD.

mouell on February 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM

$716 billion cut from mediare. Why wasn’t that a non-stop ad running in every district with a senator and/or congressman running for reelection. And Romney should have run it nationally.

I believe that when the Bill takes full effect – Democrats will be about as popular as an STD.

mouell on February 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM

According to polling, the dems have managed to get the public to blame republicans for the sequester and all the other economic woes. They’ll get the public to blame Obamacare on the republicans too.

hopeful on February 22, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Like a strong crap session. You have to pass it to see whats in it.

johnnyU on February 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I predict seniors losing access to healthcare that they would have had if not for ObamaCare, and we should see a higher incidence of elderly suicides because of it. At least there won’t be a need for death panels. Thanks, Dog-eater. Thanks, Peolosi/Reid, et al. Thanks stupid low-life/ low-inforamtion voters, And a very big THANKS to Supreme Court Justice Roberts. Thank you all so very, very much. I wish you all Karma.

HiJack on February 22, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Yes, suicides or flights to India and such for surgeries not available here.

petefrt on February 22, 2013 at 7:50 PM

There was a third clause in that Obama statement “…if your plan is still around”

–and maybe a fourth “…and you can afford it”.

I don’t see how you can deny that that’s not still true!

Axeman on February 23, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I don’t know, but I think this message might have a chance to penetrate to the LIVs.

We used to know not to judge a book by its cover. If somebody puts a name on a bill like the “Affordable Care Act” it’s probably gave it such a glowing name because they wanted it passed, not so much because it will do what is promised in the title.

So we passed the “Affordable Care Act”, and look what we’ve found? Your employers can’t afford it for you. They can’t afford to take on new employees. They can’t afford to have people working full time. By and large, you can’t afford it for yourself, and about all you’ll be able to afford is the penalty–possibly $2,000 per year to pay for the privilege to not have to pay $20,000 dollars and be covered by a basic plan.

Nancy Pelosi once said, “We have to pass this bill to find out what is in it.” That’s right, they say it’s going to make Healthcare “affordable”, but we’re not really sure how it’s going to do that–I don’t know, are healthcare fairies going to fly out of the bill? We don’t know. We’ll have to find that out by passing it. Well, I told you what we found out.

Axeman on February 23, 2013 at 1:42 PM