Epic: Ann Coulter and John Stossel duke it out

posted at 12:41 pm on February 22, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Outspoken firebrand conservative Ann Coulter versus outspoken firebrand libertarian John Stossel? …I love it. It’s like the two dueling voices of my innermost moral-political psyche having it out with verbal fisticuffs in an ideological boxing match.

My instincts tend to lean pretty libertarian on a lot of things (with a huge, resounding exception when it comes to foreign policy and security issues), and I agree with the Stossel camp that no way is it the federal government’s business to try to engineer society in any shape, manner, or form beyond enforcing contracts and common defense — but as Ann Coulter points out, however, our huge ever-burgeoning bureaucracy and welfare state mean that sometimes that simply and unfortunately is not the reality of the world in which we all live.

Anyhow, I’m going to let what I know are the many hardcore libertarians and staunch conservatives in the audience have fun with this one in the comments, but I think these are fantastic debates to have while we’re all talking anyway about all of the “soul searching” the Republican party needs to do, and the many areas in which conservatives and libertarians can mesh their ideas.

“We’re living in a country that is 70-percent socialist, the government takes 60 percent of your money. They are taking care of your health care, of your pensions. They’re telling you who you can hire, what the regulations will be. And you want to suck up to your little liberal friends and say, ‘Oh, but we want to legalize pot.’ You know, if you’re a little more manly you would tell them what your position on employment discrimination is. How about that? But it’s always ‘We want to legalize pot.’”

Stossel then asked: “Why can’t gays get married?” …

“This is another one where you’re just sucking up to liberals when there are big fights,” Coulter explained.

“No, we believe the individual should be left alone,” Stossel shot back. …

“First of all, for alleged individualists, you’re very mob-like,” Coulter snarked. “Second of all, it is my business because we are living in a welfare state … Right now, I have to pay for, it turns out, coming down the pike, your health care. I have to pay for your unemployment when you can’t hold a job. I have to pay for your food, for your housing. Yeah, it’s my business!”

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You were defeated. It shows. A poor argument beat you senseless. Feelings trump freedom. Just like abortion, the woman’s feelings trump the right to life of the child. There is nothing more to it. And you were defeated by it. What a winner you are!

No the problem was as an opponent of gay marriage I didn’t have facts, reason, logic, the Constitution or basic human decency on my side so the deck was stacked against me from the beginning of the argument. The difference between you and me is I’m smart enough to know when I’m beaten, to reevaluate the climb out of the hole. You’re either not smart enough to realize you’ve lost, or your solution is to get out your shovel and dig your hole a little deeper.

There is no RIGHT to marriage. Marriage is a privilege with respect to the state. The only aspect of it that is a right is that it is a ceremony of religious faithful.

The courts disagree.

My labor is the insurance policy on which the cost of their aberrant behavior is placed.

Even if we accept your terminology the costs you claim are there in respect to gay marriage don’t really exist.

Thus, increasing their numbers through incentives (privilege) increases the burden on my labor.

No, the costs don’t exist.

It is not a call to freedom you are making. It is a call to slavery.

No, the costs don’t exist.

Enslavement of the virtuous in service to the miscreants. Enslavement of those who abstain from aberrant behaviors in service to those who practice degenerate and debauched behaviors.

No, the costs don’t exist. This is what happens when you base your argument on something you’ve just made up that isn’t true.

You have not given any argument to prove that they are not and will not be an added burden on my labor.

I must prove a negative? *eyeroll* For as much as you like to argue you would think you would be better at it.

By giving them privilege, you incentivize more of them, and thus increase the burden on my labor.

No, the costs don’t exist.

I am not their slave and I refuse to be their slave.

No, the costs don’t exist.

You may freely grant yourself to them if you choose, freely adopt yourself a couple dozen gay couples and insure their life with your labor if you so choose to do so. Leave my labor to my chosen charitable causes.

astonerii on February 26, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Quit while you’re only this far behind.

alchemist19 on February 26, 2013 at 9:07 PM