Depressing poll of the day: Public opposes cuts to virtually all types of spending

posted at 6:41 pm on February 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

Nothing new here, which is the most depressing part. Scroll halfway down the page at Pew and you’ll find a table tracking shifts in public opinion on various programs over the last four years. There are noticeable jumps in support for cuts from 2009 to 2011 as America got a snoutful of Obamanomics, but we’ve leveled off since then — and in not a single category of the 17 tested is there 50 percent in favor of decreasing spending. In fact, in only three of those 17 categories (foreign aid, unemployment aid, and the State Department) is there more support for decreasing spending than increasing it.

The most hopeful graph at the link is one purporting to show that the public’s become “more austere” because the big lead that fans of raising spending used to have over fans of cutting spending is now a bit smaller. Alternate headline: “Blogger’s Friday-night drinking to start early.”

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As you see, apart from foreign aid, support for cuts never reaches 35 percent. Even in the case of foreign aid, you have a slight plurality in favor of at least preserving the status quo rather than cutting. There’s not much hope in partisan differences either. Of the 17 categories, Democrats prefer cuts to increased spending in just two; independents in just three; and Republicans in nine — although even GOPers support increased spending for, gulp, Medicare and Social Security. I realize I’m making too much of this; when you ask people whether they want to cut a program without emphasizing countervailing considerations like deficits, obviously they’re going to be reluctant. These questions at their core are really just gut checks on how valuable the public views each program or agency to be. They see comparatively little value in diplomacy, which is why foreign aid and State get low ratings, and much more in veterans’ benefits. And yet, after four years of hot political rhetoric about exploding debt and a fiscal crisis on the horizon, you would think that the numbers for increasing spending, at least, would be minuscule. They’re not.

By way of partially explaining why, I’ll leave you with these two tweets.


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This is forced commenting. It’s annoying to read a thread unless I write something to form a stopgap to the refresh. Then it seems to go up to the last comment I’ve made.

INC on February 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

BobMbx on February 22, 2013 at 7:57 PM

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Scrumpy on February 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Don’t waste your time mean old. I won’t be spending much time there unless it’s taken over by adults.

Basilsbest on February 22, 2013 at 7:55 PM

…you’ll be locked behind the door in your own bathroom…peeing in your pants?

KOOLAID2 on February 22, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Well at least that’s more articulate than your usual: WOW.

Basilsbest on February 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Anyone have any tips on preventing a page refresh from returning to the top?

This is forced commenting. It’s annoying to read a thread unless I write something to form a stopgap to the refresh. Then it seems to go up to the last comment I’ve made.

(Repeated because this ended up as the last comment of page 1).

INC on February 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

I think its a good idea to begin preparation for society collapse.

TX-96 on February 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Basilsbest on February 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Lol… You really haven’t encountered KA2 have you?

You must be menopausal… poor thing…

Take a pill and go to bed… there’s a dear :-)

Scrumpy on February 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM

INC on February 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

That’s not happening to me, although I do have to refresh often.

Seems everyone who is, is experiencing different things going on at HA!

They must be tweaking it or somthing… :-)

Scrumpy on February 22, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Scrumpy on February 22, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I have all the ad trackers blocked. I wonder if it’s related to that or something else I’ve got blocked.

INC on February 22, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Something doesn’t see right, more people want to increase funding for EPA than cut it? Really? Where did they poll, the West Wing?

AZfederalist on February 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM

I have all the ad trackers blocked. I wonder if it’s related to that or something else I’ve got blocked.

INC on February 22, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I think it it just an attempt to get the hit count higher.
Hey, Allah! Do a Palin thread or so and you won’t have to resort to annoying the natives.

katy the mean old lady on February 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

(Repeated because this ended up as the last comment of page 1).

INC on February 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

I periodically click one one of the comment time stamps so when the blasted auto refresh happens, I get returned close to where I was reading.

AZfederalist on February 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Basilsbest on February 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Basilsba11s…you don’t come here much any more do you?…you are such an ARTICULATE mouthful all the time…but I guess you’re used to that sort of thing!

KOOLAID2 on February 22, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Scrumpy on February 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM

The gun manufacturer quotes are great!

PatriotGal2257 on February 22, 2013 at 8:23 PM

This is the dilemma the Republican Party faces.

Our electorate has been so dumbed down by 40 years of federal control over education at all levels, and leftist domination of higher education, that anyone who dares tell them the truth is certain to be punished.

They buy all the lies the Left is selling, hate all the straw men the Left sets up, and see anyone telling them they can’t have everything they want for free as a big fat meanie.

Adjoran on February 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

katy the mean old lady on February 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Ha ha! True!

AZfederalist on February 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Thanks for the idea. I used Firefox to take out the auto refresh, but this is something new. When I click on refresh it takes me back up. I’ll try clicking on the time stamps to see if that works.

INC on February 22, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Depressing poll of the day: Public opposes cuts to virtually all types of spending

OK, I guess it’s the hard way then.

Cleombrotus on February 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

MJBrutus on February 22, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Hopefully for the same reason I have no interest in a sock. Stand or die on my own merits. All though sometimes it would be fun, funning folks around here. ; )

Bmore on February 22, 2013 at 8:30 PM

I think it it just an attempt to get the hit count higher.
Hey, Allah! Do a Palin thread or so and you won’t have to resort to annoying the natives.

katy the mean old lady on February 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Lol! There’s still one going. I’m in bad need of a Christie thread though. ; )

Bmore on February 22, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Call it what you will. I made the point yesterday and repeated it today. It’s a point which was long overdue.

Basilsbest on February 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Would ya just email it in already. What are you afraid of? Allah doesn’t bite,………that hard. Lol!

Bmore on February 22, 2013 at 8:34 PM

A country full of low information voters. A Democrats wet dream.

The Notorious G.O.P on February 22, 2013 at 8:36 PM

PatriotGal2257 on February 22, 2013 at 8:23 PM

You must thank BobMbx on February 22, 2013 at 7:57 PM on the 1st page for that, he gave the link and I copied a few quotes!

Scrumpy on February 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

INC on February 22, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I only use one, Do Not Track Me by Abine… works great for me!

Scrumpy on February 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Most polls show that the”folks” think spending is the problem. Now here we have “no one wants to cut spending.”
I think you might ask what the question is on the poll. Who can actually believe anything??

AnnaS on February 22, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Instead of doing any real investigative analysis of the comparative growth in federal budgets year to year, the ratio of the sequester cuts to the total expenditure, the malfeasance of ‘baseline budgeting’ wherein nothing is ever truly cut, where “cuts” are actually only a reduction in the amount of INCREASE in spending, thus ensuring that this year’s budget is ALWAYS greater than last year, you sit here with your stupid little emotive reactive eeyore prism, shoveling the phony media bullshit along. Reinforcing the leftist memes, instead of deconstructing them. Why do you do this? Why do you FAIL to work against the crap liberals perpetrate?

rayra on February 22, 2013 at 6:54 PM

THIS ^^^ x 1,000,000.

As Rush has said, it’s all a lie and has been since forever.

PatriotGal2257 on February 22, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Idiots. And I hate that face, eeewwww – can’t wait for Obama to be postpresidential.

disa on February 22, 2013 at 8:49 PM

This just proves baby boomers are selfish. Even if it destroys the country, they want their medicare and social security.

davemason2k on February 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM

A nation of adolescents.

VorDaj on February 22, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I think its a good idea to begin preparation for society collapse.

TX-96 on February 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

That which can’t go on forever won’t. I’ve been mentally and physically preparing for societal collapse for some time now.

The world seems hell-bent on descending into madness. We can’t save the world now in it’s current state (much less the state it wants to move to). Only thing you can do is prepare:

1) Prepare yourself.
2) Prepare your family.
3) Warn your loved ones.
4) don’t waste time with those who won’t listen.

When we finally get to the SHTF and WROL status, fight for your life and save yourself and your family. Don’t bother trying to save everyone: you warned them or they were warned, or should have seen it coming.

Chaz706 on February 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM

The poll doesn’t account for effectiveness. In reality the poll questions should be phrased like this:

Given that allowing bigger budgets for social programs doesn’t have any measurable effect, should we increase spending on social security?

The corruption and waste is rampant and to completely ignore that aspect of government only fosters more fantasy-land thinking. If we must base our society around an acknowledgment of reality, then these poll questions should likewise reflect reality.

hisfrogness on February 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM

How? Since when has the Conservative sphere been focused on education? That’s for people who are too incompetent to learn a trade or start a business…right?

Sorry, but we shot ourselves in the collective foot on this one looong ago. What we didn’t value, the Socialists did and ran with it. We as a group need a serious attitude adjustment if we are to save this country. Just how I see it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 22, 2013 at 7:43 PM

No I disagree on that one.

It’s easy enough to undo the damage kids get through the indoctrination process called public school.
It doesn’t take long for a kid to realize when they are being fed garbage. Teach your kids the difference. Teach them how to identify an opinion and a fact. Talk to them about current events. Pick a topic that is in vogue and give facts to the contrary of what they are being fed.
For me (back in the day) and for my daughter it was hunting.

Heck, if you live north of kentucky, explain how CFL’s are stupid.

The choices are limitless. And once you pop the aura of omniscience, they begin to question everything.

WryTrvllr on February 22, 2013 at 9:45 PM

I think its a good idea to begin preparation for society collapse.

TX-96 on February 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

I hope that’s a joke. If not, you are both late, and screwed.

WryTrvllr on February 22, 2013 at 9:46 PM

The Pew Research poll, really?!

And the “47%” voted to give more to the needy!

Amjean on February 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM

This is all easily explained by the Sixth article in the Bill of Lefts.

“6) Deficits are a part of life, but that is only a problem for those with money. If the government gives you a credit card for health care or anything, use it as much as you want. The more you use it, the more free things you can expect to get with it in the future.”

drfredc on February 22, 2013 at 10:04 PM

I hope that’s a joke. If not, you are both late, and screwed.

WryTrvllr on February 22, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

Any level of preparation is better than none BTW.

And we are already screwed BTW. Only thing that can be done now is to mitigate the degree to which we are.

Chaz706 on February 22, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Wait a minute! Are those polled the same people who claim to be broke and struggling, but, refuse to set a budget that gets rid of internet services, games, cell phone services, cable/satellite/sports pass, and other frivolous indulgences? Not so long ago, a pay phone, or borrowing a phone worked just find for those trying to make ends meet.

Either cuts are made, or this country fails like Greece.
It’s a tough choice, but, if liberals think of it like the convenience of an abortion … it might make more sense to their fractured little reality. And believe me cutting back on spending is actually the only choice we have.

kregg on February 22, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Big surprise 47-50% want more government and more spending!!!

nazo311 on February 23, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Public opposes cuts to virtually all types of spending

What I’ve been saying here for years. Same is also true in England, Spain, Greece, Portugal, France, etal. It’s a vicious circle of ever increasing dependency fed by ever increasing giveaways causing ever decreasing numbers of capable people from whom the money can be taxed away from. Not only does money dry up but, eventually, the arts, humanities, literature and all thing creative. The right always gets blamed but always it is the left that leads to anarchy.

Thanks to gains in computer sciences,electronics, nano-technology and robotics the talent required to earn a living (TREL) has increased but, mostly thanks to socialism, the quality of the population has decreased as undereducated Americans and illegal aliens out breed the more educated.The result is OBSOLETE PEOPLE totally dependent on the dole-which, I think, was the plan from the very beginning.

MaiDee on February 23, 2013 at 2:07 AM

Once again, the Prog media is Ameica’s greatest enemy. It is not bias, it is fraud. It is not news, it is propaganda.

d1carter on February 22, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Notice how the Leftmedia’s latest tact, and therefore the Axelrod/Obama tactic, is to try to spread the complaint around that “the idea that there’s a Left media bias is a delusion of the Right” is appearing lately?

They’ve noticed that more and more of the public has noticed the Leftmedia bias and how it operates in orchestration with the DNC and they’re now trying to smear the perception as delusion (to notice it means you’re delusional so the Left/Axelrod/DNC are trying to establish).

Even Rasmussen, who I respect as a pollster, reports his results in such a fashion as to frame or emphasize his Left views when his views are Left on the issues he’s reporting on. Introductory remarks that prejudice the reader’s perceptions of the results, like a headline proclaiming that “41 percent of Americans support (name the controversy here)” while buried in the third paragraph by Rasmussen will be that “the remaining 59 percent” hold opposing views (on same issue, which means, the majority doesn’t support the controversy but Rasmussen will report it by emphasizing the negative).

Lourdes on February 23, 2013 at 6:45 AM

I am quite sanguine about increasing scientific research. Perhaps we should do that my supporting corporate groups like the old Bell Labs and research on toys like Google cars and glasses.

How many other things can see increased funding by making the activity profitable for even medium and small corporations?

{^_^}

herself on February 23, 2013 at 7:38 AM

The question should have been asked : “Which programs do you think are important enough for us to continue borrowing money from China to pay for them?”

Hat tip to Mitt Romney.

Cleombrotus on February 23, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Asking folks to return to fiscal sensibility and expecting them to actually do so, is as asinine as expecting Madonna to return to virginity.

Don L on February 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM

people will be against cutting spending until they know ALL spending will be cut. Classic game theory.

unseen on February 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM

At what point will you stop using PEW as a legitimate poll source? They rate right up there with the alphabet channels. They all push the Obama Agenda. Stop giving them legitimacy.

Ken James on February 23, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Call it what you will. I made the point yesterday and repeated it today. It’s a point which was long overdue.

Basilsbest on February 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Would ya just email it in already. What are you afraid of? Allah doesn’t bite,………that hard. Lol!

Bmore on February 22, 2013 at 8:34 PM

And what is AP supposed to do, tell people like you to grow up?

HOT AIR has the best commenting format on the web. If you turn it into a chat room it will not survive.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2013 at 9:10 AM

There’s another explanation in addition to the SRM fear mongering for the Campaign.

If most people are in favor of cutting spending in general and you give them 19 individual choices for cuts, and each person only chooses 6 or 7 of the cuts, you end up with a minority in each individual category.

It’s not necessarily a contradiction for most people to favor “spending cuts” in general while failing to reach 50% in any of the 19 individual categories.

The only way to possible address this is for the government to pass a proper budget every year including all spending in one debate.

I guess it’s why the Democrats don’t pass budgets anymore. They know their reckless greed will prevail if they handle every spending decision by piecemeal crisis.

forest on February 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

This poll is the result of Pravda and Izvestia. The Republicans have a massive media problem that they need to deal with and, if they don’t they may never win another election. There are obviously more low information voters out there and the Democrats have become adept at getting their vote. They may pay attention, but most still get their news from Pravda and Izvestia.

It’s become apparent the media is more than willing to lie for the Democrats and this administration. If they refuse the inform the public of the truth, the Republican party really needs to start demonizing them like the Democrats have Fox News. Just think about the constant hate, spouted by the Democrats through Pravda and Izvestia, they’ve successfully discredited Fox News, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, religious people, patriots, fiscal conservatives, gun owners, SUV owners, businesses big and small, the Koch Brothers, and oil companies. They’ve done all of this to further their agenda and the republicans have allowed it to happen.

bflat879 on February 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

You get the same results with TEA Party members.
Would be nice to see those numbers again…

astonerii on February 23, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Everybody is in favor of cutting someone else’s government handout, but no one will ever agree to cut their own completely necessary “free money”.

Exhibit A of roughly five million examples I could come up are the conservative Republicans in states like Iowa who squeal like pigs when someone suggests cutting off ethanol subsidies.

Oh well: as Herb Stein famously said, what can’t go on forever, won’t. There will be a reckoning–a burning, if you will–and maybe we just have to let it burn, and hope we don’t get scorched too badly in the process.

MidniteRambler on February 23, 2013 at 9:27 AM

I think its a good idea to begin preparation for society collapse.

TX-96 on February 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Millions of us already have. Hence the reason ammunition is mostly unavailable now.

bgibbs1000 on February 23, 2013 at 9:27 AM

TEOTWAWKI…and I feel fine! LIB.

Decoski on February 23, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Rush is right. The LI citizen even after being told the truth and having it explained over and over, don’t understand. I don’t know why logic and reason don’t prevail and these folks don’t have a light bulb come on in their brain, but they don’t. These are the same people who would follow their leader on a path to disaster and never see it coming. It seems life has gotten too easy for most and natural selection hasn’t had an opportunity to function as designed.

Kissmygrits on February 23, 2013 at 9:33 AM

This is the dilemma the Republican Party faces.

Our electorate has been so dumbed down by 40 years of federal control over education at all levels, and leftist domination of higher education, that anyone who dares tell them the truth is certain to be punished.

They buy all the lies the Left is selling, hate all the straw men the Left sets up, and see anyone telling them they can’t have everything they want for free as a big fat meanie.

Adjoran on February 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Or maybe polls, news, and elections too are all fraudulent now. Can you really trust anything coming out of Washington no matter the source?

bgibbs1000 on February 23, 2013 at 9:33 AM

At what point will you stop using PEW as a legitimate poll source? They rate right up there with the alphabet channels. They all push the Obama Agenda. Stop giving them legitimacy.

Ken James on February 23, 2013 at 9:01 AM

…the polls are skewed…
…Romney 300+EVs…
…Nate Silver fail…

This is why you rightists can’t have nice things.

chumpThreads on February 23, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The word “aid” sure poll tests poorly. The only 3 categories that include “aid” are all in the top 5 for cuts.

Imagine how “subsidies” would do?

“Agriculture” – Hell no I don’t want to cut that! I like food.

“Agricultural subsidies” – Why are we subsidizing agri-business? Let’s cut that!

Opinion polling – brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

forest on February 23, 2013 at 9:37 AM

“The Pew Research poll, really?!

And the “47%” voted to give more to the needy!

Amjean on February 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM”

You guys are still denying the polls, lol?

Even after I told you repeatedly you would look like fools during the Obama/Romney contest, and I was 100% correct?

Yeah, the news in the poll stinks and shows people are stupid, but it is what it is.

gumbyandpokey on February 23, 2013 at 9:46 AM

There are very few those of us on the right can trust. For example, Grover Norquist is pro-amnesty and supports jihadists. How can anyone claim to want to cut government spending and be pro-amnesty?

bw222 on February 23, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Wow, what do you know. A poll that shows the country wants more government spending. What a coincidence this is exactly what Obama wants.

Well, glad to know people who do polls are as pure and divine as God himself.

The heavens part, light shines down, angels gather and watch as “poll creators” are born from virgin mothers while a heavenly choir sings!

Yep, so lets all forget about our stupid silly American ideals of right and wrong, return to our homes and shut the freak up. The polls have spoken. The were cast on tablets of gold. The nation loves Obama and wants whatever he has to shove in their faces.

JellyToast on February 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM

they’ve successfully discredited Fox News …

bflat879 on February 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

If you’ve watched Fox News recently, it really seems to want to become part of the MSM.

bw222 on February 23, 2013 at 10:01 AM

dear leader must be so proud

cmsinaz on February 23, 2013 at 10:02 AM

they’ve successfully discredited Fox News …

bflat879 on February 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

If you’ve watched Fox News recently, it really seems to want to become part of the MSM.

bw222 on February 23, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Fox news did it all on their own.

astonerii on February 23, 2013 at 10:05 AM

they’ve successfully discredited Fox News …

bflat879 on February 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

If you’ve watched Fox News recently, it really seems to want to become part of the MSM.

bw222 on February 23, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I always thought the best route of advertisement for FOX would have been to take yesterday’s news reports and use those as advertisements on competitor’s stations.

In the news yesterday was “fast & furious”, did you get news on this important subject? If not, tune in to Fox News for fair and balanced reporting.

astonerii on February 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Republicans over the last 30 years focused exclusively on the benefits of capitalism and ignored everything else. And after the Berlin Wall fell, conservatives thought the fight was over.

Django on February 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM

One of the things that has hurt the GOP is its support of the super rich, many of whom are liberal Democrats.

bw222 on February 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM

One of the things that has hurt the GOP is its support of the super rich, many of whom are liberal Democrats.

bw222 on February 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM

How exactly do the SUPPORT those rich?

astonerii on February 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM

This is why you rightists can’t have nice things.

chumpThreads on February 23, 2013 at 9:37 AM

…versus the leftists like chumpTesticles…who have… no ‘Thing’ ?

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Perry Not Backing Off Opposition to Medicaid Expansion…

““Let me go on the record here for a moment: We’re not going to be expanding Medicaid in Texas,” he said to cheers from the partisan Republican crowd on hand, according to the Houston Chronicle. “The reason is because it’s a broken system. It’s moving our state — and I’ll just speak to our state — towards bankruptcy if we expand the current program.”

Perry aides dispute vigorously the notion that the governor’s reluctance is based on anything other than concern for the state’s fiscal health. Texas already spends more than a quarter of its budget on Medicaid, and opponents of the expanded funding argue that the state ultimately would have to pony up more in the coming years, which could imperil spending for other critical statewide needs such as infrastructure and public education.

“The governor always compares the expansion of Medicaid to putting another thousand people on the Titanic,” said Perry spokesperson Josh Havens. “It’s just reckless and not fiscally responsible and [it’s] why the governor’s holding the line here in Texas.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/02/22/rick_perry_not_backing_off_opposition_to_medicaid_expansion_117133.html

From the comment thread at the site:

“The health care industry in America is in a bubble that will make people forget about the subprime mortgage debacle. ObamaCare expands access and regulatory oversight over health care in ways that are completely unsustainable. There is simply no way to make the math work. That which cannot be sustained will not be sustained.

For whatever reasons Perry wishes to resist the federal expansion, he is one of the few that is preparing his state for the future when the federal government can no longer make good on all of its promises.

If our nation is to survive this era of reckless federal expansionism into every aspect of commerce and society, it will be because enough leaders at the state level see the inevitable future of such federal folly.” – pairadimes

God Bless Texas

workingclass artist on February 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Yeah, the news in the poll stinks and shows people are stupid, but it is what it is.

gumbyandpokey on February 23, 2013 at 9:46 AM

…took you long enough to get here gummeandpokeme…I see you still shove your head up your a$$…and live off the air in your head…

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2013 at 10:32 AM

psssssst, dirty little secret in D.C.

The Ruling class has enriched their business buddies with cheap labor from Mexico for decades. In the process it’s also helped to funnel money to our southern neighbor to help keep THEIR corrupt government in power. But now after these tens of millions of illegals have been sucking off the teat of the Federal sow and have nearly bankrupted federal and state enititlements the Ruling class has had their wild spending finally catch up with them. So NOW our D.C. aristocracy must, MUST, MUST get these illegals paying taxes to help cover their fiscal games.

And if they can just get these Hispanics paying taxes then they can continue to deficit spend AND…….AND……GROW THEIR OWN POWER.

THIS is why McCain, Rubio, Ryan and Scott Walker and others will all cave. They have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo and let’s talk turkey here, really deep down the republicans have a wussy, gutless mindset of appeasement towards their enemies and they don’t mind letting the Democrats be the “bad cop” and be seen as the party of big government.

Next time, a republican trots out the “tax and spend” and “party of big government” line against a Democrat……do us all a favor and FREAKING LAUGH IN THEIR FACES. They are liars.

PappyD61 on February 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM

That poll and those in DC are a mere reflection of the majority of Americans. We are spoiled self absorbed children who want it all without paying for it or assuming the responsibility of what is to come.
Greece is an example of fiscal discipline compared to us.
We see our country swirling down the toliet but have not the self will to do anything but blame everyone but ourselves.

sanjuro on February 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM

At what point will you stop using PEW as a legitimate poll source? They rate right up there with the alphabet channels. They all push the Obama Agenda. Stop giving them legitimacy.

Ken James on February 23, 2013 at 9:01 AM

liberals control every major polling firm. It is how they push their agenda. the Mittbots never learned that truth. they believed the polls right up until the end.

unseen on February 23, 2013 at 11:27 AM

…took you long enough to get here gummeandpokeme…I see you still shove your head up your a$$…and live off the air in your head…

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2013 at 10:32 AM

liberals control every major polling firm. It is how they push their agenda. the Mittbots never learned that truth. they believed the polls right up until the end.

unseen on February 23, 2013 at 11:27 AM

So you are saying this poll isn’t true and that America is full of small government libertarians just waiting in the wings?

You ignore this poll at your own peril. The thought should be: “How can I flip these numbers?”

Some people here seem to confuse affirming the polls with liking their outcome. It is simply identifying a problem to be solved.

antisense on February 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I see the ABC graphs tweeted by Norquist and wanted to note this.

We are all assuming that most people make sense of a chart! From dealing with some of my Democrat friends, I have to say that is now a questionable assumption.

Indian_Raj_in_California on February 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Before we go after granny’s social security, we need to go after Exxon and Bank of America. Corporate welfare is real. Big bank bailouts are real. It’s not just spending that’s our problem, it’s big money favoritism as well. The system is rigged and the public knows it. It perceives the government as at least looking out for the little guy within the context of generalized corruption.

writeblock on February 23, 2013 at 11:57 AM

HOT AIR has the best commenting format on the web. If you turn it into a chat room it will not survive.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2013 at 9:10 AM

…yes!…a few hours late in the day or into the wee hours of the morning is going to DESTROY HOT AIR says the now mumbling Monarch!
…its not the new type of troll that infests the format lately… whose goal is to derail the threads the rest of the day!…
…I remember the days when Basilsbest took umbrage at those kind of tactits in this forum…but in the last year or so has become Basilsballsmissing with nothing but non-articulate adhominem attacks on anybody who does not have… his anal attitude or apptitude!…you have a couple of strokes or something?..it’s not funny… but, you’ve become a rather anal a$$!…I didn’t find you so… a year or two ago…

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2013 at 11:57 AM

You ignore this poll at your own peril. The thought should be: “How can I flip these numbers?”

Some people here seem to confuse affirming the polls with liking their outcome. It is simply identifying a problem to be solved.

antisense on February 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

…you have to understand the history of gummeandpokemes appearances here…to understand my comment to the polesmoker…your statements… are correct.

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2013 at 12:03 PM

So you are saying this poll isn’t true and that America is full of small government libertarians just waiting in the wings?

You ignore this poll at your own peril. The thought should be: “How can I flip these numbers?”

Some people here seem to confuse affirming the polls with liking their outcome. It is simply identifying a problem to be solved.

antisense on February 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

yes that is excatly what I’m saying. america is full of small government people who want less spending less taxes less waste less cronyism and less government. You don’t have to flip anything. You just have to convince the people that everyone will get cut. You can’t spend on defense then say welfare needs cut. you can’t increase social secuirty while cutting FDA. then it becomes who gets shafted and you turn one group against another. Until everyone is convinced the cutting is the same for everyone nothing will change. People are for less governemnt but they aren’t stupid. they will not freely give up their stuff until others give up theirs. Like I said before its classic game theory the politicians use it to stay in power and get votes. But it isn’t the desire of the people to “milk” others.

Polls are used by liberals to push their agenda to make others believe they are in the minority to the liberal agenda. It seems to have worked on you.

Which do you think works better. a call to cut spending returning the money to the people or to increase taxes and spending. Ask 10 people that question and you will get the vast majority saying cut spending and taxes. Right now proposed cuts mean nothing to people because they get nothing in return for the cuts. Seniors aren’t going to go for cuts in medicare while DOD gets to buy more $600 hammers. Middle class isn’t going to go for tax increases while the upper incomes get more tax loopholes.

Right now we have cut the rate of spending and INCREASE taxes. in that world people being people we respond with “go to hell”

to fix the debt problems we can’t cut spending and not deal with taxes. We need to reduce taxes across the board while we cut spending across the board. Everything gets cut nothing is special. No get out of jail free cards for the children or the old people or for defense. Take a chainsaw to the entire spending programs.

unseen on February 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM

In other words, we need to focus on the whole picture, not just the part that fuels the left’s propaganda. There’s plenty of room for criticizing big banks and big business. Government spending buys votes, sure. But it’s only part of the problem.

writeblock on February 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

yes that is excatly what I’m saying. america is full of small government people who want less spending less taxes less waste less cronyism and less government. You don’t have to flip anything. You just have to convince the people that everyone will get cut. You can’t spend on defense then say welfare needs cut. you can’t increase social secuirty while cutting FDA. then it becomes who gets shafted and you turn one group against another. Until everyone is convinced the cutting is the same for everyone nothing will change. People are for less governemnt but they aren’t stupid. they will not freely give up their stuff until others give up theirs. Like I said before its classic game theory the politicians use it to stay in power and get votes. But it isn’t the desire of the people to “milk” others.

I disagree. I think that a large group of people DO want to milk others. They will do so for as long as it is possible.

Do you really think people on welfare, disability, in government employ, unions, etc want to work? No.

I agree the cuts should be harsh and across the board.

antisense on February 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

In other words, we need to focus on the whole picture, not just the part that fuels the left’s propaganda. There’s plenty of room for criticizing big banks and big business. Government spending buys votes, sure. But it’s only part of the problem.

writeblock on February 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

You can try and agitate from the Populist Left, but when they compare both arguments, the populace will go with the side that gives out benefits.

I do not think that ignoring polling like this helps. Must find ways of getting people off of this mentality through privatization of huge swaths of the economy.

antisense on February 23, 2013 at 12:22 PM

oba-mao has lied so much that a lot of mentally challenged people believe him…. He is merely a demogogue in president’s clothing. All this PROVES he will never, ever, cut spending. POS is an avowed America hater and a communist.

ultracon on February 23, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I disagree. I think that a large group of people DO want to milk others. They will do so for as long as it is possible.

Do you really think people on welfare, disability, in government employ, unions, etc want to work? No.

I agree the cuts should be harsh and across the board.

antisense on February 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I think a large portion wants to work if the reward is higher then sitting on their AS@es. Many went on disability during Obama because they had no choice. Their jobs were gone they couldn’t find work and it was a choice left to them. Same with welfare. I don’t think because someone is ina union a person wants to “milk” others nor do they join a union to “not work” Unions are formed at least at the beginning to protect workers from exploitation by the owners. Which in some cases needs to happen. I think unions run out of normal things to fight over and become outdated and a harm to the workers they sought to protect in the long run.

As for the poll, really read the poll and see what isn’t being asked. The poll asks people which programs needs to be cut. Once you drill down and start turning groups and people against each other they are going to say their program should be saved and the other guy’s needs to be cut. Dog bites man. The poll shows that over the last 25 years the total amouint of people that wnat those programs protected has DROPPED.

An earlier report on this survey showed that 70% think it is essential for the president and Congress to pass major legislation to reduce the federal budget deficit this year. That portion of the survey, conducted in collaboration with USA TODAY, also found that more Americans want the focus of deficit-reduction efforts to be mostly on spending reductions rather than tax increases.

70% is a super majority. that majority falls apart when the talk turns to what to cut. The super majority wants less government less spending less corynism.

and the trend is spending decrease wanted :

Long-Term Trends

While there has been little change in public views on government spending within the last two years, the long-term trend over the past quarter-century is, for the most part, away from spending growth.

When the question was first asked in 1987, a 64% majority felt that Social Security spending should be increased; this stands at 41% in the new survey. Similarly, support for increased federal spending on health care has fallen from 72% to 38% since 1987, and the share favoring more spending on environmental protection has declined from 59% to 33%.

While the trends are shorter, two other issues have seen similar trajectories. When first asked in 1994, 71% supported more federal spending on combating crime. This figure stands at 41% today. And even just over the past 12 years, the share saying education spending should be increased has fallen from 76% to 60%.

again the nmajority in this country wants government spending cut, wants lower taxes, less cronyism, less fraud and less waste. the polls cherry picks what the liberals wants and present the dived view and how people disagree over what spending to cut not the fact that people want less spending.

The poll is done by liberals to push an agenda….namely save “thier spending programs” and to give cover to others like the GOPe to keep “their spending programs” when the real headline should read: “super majorty want government spending cut can’t agree on what to cut…

People want to work if the work lets them be productive members of society. People will not work when not working pays better than working, when there is no work, when rules and regulations makes it easier to be a non worker than a worker.

the problem is not the people and we don’t have to “flip any numbers” We just have to promote what the majority wants in this country and not allow liberals, their polls and their leaders to divide and conquer what the majoirty wants. ALL polls are run by liberals to push an agenda…ALL of them believe them at your peril.

unseen on February 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Government spending buys votes, sure. But it’s only part of the problem.

writeblock on February 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM </blockquote

which do you think will "buy more votes" government programs or tax cuts for all?

unseen on February 23, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Any logical thinking person knows that any poll can be rigged to give the results the pollster desires. With that in mind we have to look at who is paying for a poll and then determine if it has been rigged to give them a “reason” to push for legisla…er executive order to gain the results that the poll says “we all” want and need. Yes it is a shock but this country runs on poll results and that justifies whatever the politician wants and they know they can get away with it if the poll is right.

Pardonme on February 23, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Yes it is a shock but this country runs on poll results and that justifies whatever the politician wants and they know they can get away with it if the poll is right.

Pardonme on February 23, 2013 at 1:08 PM

so whoever controls the polls controls the country….hmmm I wonder why all polling firms are controlled by liberals….nah couldn’t be…they are “scientific” the mittbots told me so.

unseen on February 23, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Pardonme on February 23, 2013 at 1:08 PM

…shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!…quiet!

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Everything gets cut nothing is special. No get out of jail free cards for the children or the old people or for defense. Take a chainsaw to the entire spending programs.

unseen on February 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I agree with this.
I happen to think you are mostly right about these polls things.
People seem to tend to fall into one of three groups:
1. Evil controlling a$$holes
2. Goody two shoe a$$holes
3. People who just want to be left alone
OF that 3rd category, you can bust that down further into 2 other categories:
A. Ignorant morons
B. Apathetics

So there you have it. And #3 is probably nothing but a huge majority of people.
All we are hearing from is categories #1 & #2 who are not that numerous. But some of their members are very persuasive & can get #3 people to do their dirty work for them.
The world is run by the people who bother showing up & that has never been a lot of people.
The use of media these days can be used very cleverly to turn public opinion instantly for a favorable return.

Badger40 on February 23, 2013 at 3:43 PM

HOT AIR has the best commenting format on the web. If you turn it into a chat room it will not survive.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2013 at 9:10 AM

…yes!…a few hours late in the day or into the wee hours of the morning is going to DESTROY HOT AIR says the now mumbling Monarch!
…its not the new type of troll that infests the format lately… whose goal is to derail the threads the rest of the day!…
…I remember the days when Basilsbest took umbrage at those kind of tactits in this forum…but in the last year or so has become Basilsballsmissing with nothing but non-articulate adhominem attacks on anybody who does not have… his anal attitude or apptitude!…you have a couple of strokes or something?..it’s not funny… but, you’ve become a rather anal a$$!…I didn’t find you so… a year or two ago…

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I don’t recall taking umbrage at people hijacking a thread – which doesn’t mean I didn’t. With QOTD my complaint is not that the thread gets hijacked, but, it seems to me more often than not, the thread doesn’t get established. Thanks for helping me to clarify my complaint.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM

The GOP–and conservatism–has a blind spot. It’s not populism to point out that cutting granny’s social security is not going to resolve our political problems if we fail to address the huge breaks given to big banks, to big agriculture, to big oil, to big pharmacy, etc., all through a cozy congressional network comprised of both parties. I’ve been a fiscal conservative most of my adult life–but to me the growing disparity between the haves and the have nots is unacceptable in America. Sure the handouts to the poor have gotten out of hand. But the handouts to the rich through corporate welfare and other forms of favoritism should be squarely faced as well. Spending is only half the problem. Favoritism is the other half.

writeblock on February 23, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Government buys votes–but Big Business buys government.

writeblock on February 23, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Well everyday has to be Christmas, right? Gotta have free stuff. No one has to pay for anything, right? Like the certian people who go into one of my local 7-11′s and just get stuff and walk out the door with it, FREE. yep. Its CHristmas. FOREVER, or else we wont vote for you. Thats BULLSH*T IMHO!!!

johnnyU on February 23, 2013 at 10:29 PM

IF the poll asked how they feel about the increased taxes needed to pay for these Democrat supported programs we would have a result worth reading.

DannoJyd on February 24, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Only 36% Think President, Congress Should Stop March 1 Spending Cuts

See that? Cheer up, America!

DannoJyd on February 24, 2013 at 6:55 PM

This is the dilemma the Republican Party faces.

Our electorate has been so dumbed down by 40 years of federal control over education at all levels, and leftist domination of higher education, that anyone who dares tell them the truth is certain to be punished.

They buy all the lies the Left is selling, hate all the straw men the Left sets up, and see anyone telling them they can’t have everything they want for free as a big fat meanie.

Adjoran on February 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

It isn’t so much a dilemma for the Republican Party as it is for the conservative movement.

Because, quite frankly, the top GOP leadership (I know that’s an oxymoron) has – by their own free will – bought into the argument hook, line and sinker, and are forcing everyone else in the party to comply and give in to the argument as well.

It’s literally a double instance of battered-wife syndrome – with Obama playing the husband, and Bohenor playing that battered wife; then Bohenor takes out his frustration out on his own caucus by negotiating against himself. It’s been a pattern we’ve been seeing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and…

Speaker Bohenor, not Obama, will be the reason why the GOP will suffer significant electoral losses next year. And subsequently, the conservative movement will have a tough choice – do they finally mobilize to eradicate the complacent establishment in the GOP, or do they stick up for principle and splinter into a separate party?

Myron Falwell on February 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM

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