US News: Biden’s legal advice will get you arrested

posted at 2:41 pm on February 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

When I first heard about Joe Biden’s response to a question about home defense, I said, “What?” As it turns out, I wasn’t alone in my shock over the extremely dangerous advice given by Biden as an alternative to owning an AR-15 or a high-capacity magazine for any other semiautomatic.  If you follow the Vice President’s advice here, you may well find yourself in prison for negligent homicide, as US News explains:

“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,’” Biden said.

“You don’t need an AR-15—it’s harder to aim,” he added, “it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

Before we get to Steven Nelson’s analysis of the “the worst type of advice,” Allahpundit made a point about the weapon choice:

Here’s the vice president of the United States encouraging you to go on out and get yourself a 12-gauge, just like the one he’s got. Why? Because it’s easier to aim and use than an AR-15, which … I’m pretty sure isn’t true, but whatever. Just buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun. That way, if ever you snap and head off on a killing spree, the death toll will be limited. Unless you bring a bag of shells with you and reload quickly, I guess. In which case, who knows?

A shotgun is a good choice for home defense, but not the double-barreled type, unless you’re fortunate to only have one threat in front of you.  It takes too much time to open the weapon, pull out the spent shells, and reload, especially when frightened and stressed.  A pump-action shotgun is a much better choice because (a) it holds more rounds in case there is more than one threat, and (b) no one can possibly mistake the cha-chunk of a pump loading the shell.  A shotgun is easier to aim because you don’t need as much precision to hit the target, as you would with an AR-15 and especially a pistol under stress.  If you get close, you’ll probably score a hit.

The rest, however, is nonsense — and dangerous nonsense, seemingly taken from TV shows rather than any sort of instruction on firearms use. Anyone who has gone through a firearms safety course knows this basic rule: Never fire a “warning shot” into the air — especially when it means you have to reload immediately, as you would with two blasts from a double-barreled shotgun; you’ve just effectively disarmed yourself.

But more to the point, it ignores the physics of the ammunition.  What goes up must come down, and when it does, it can kill — and often does:

Rob Wiltbank, a gun rights advocate who founded Delaware Open Carry in 2008, told U.S. News he agrees with the vice president that a shotgun would be good for home protection, but he was also troubled by the hypothetical.

“It would be incredibly irresponsible of a gun owner to blindly discharge a firearm into the air,” said Wiltbank. “What goes up, must come down and this specific behavior has been the cause of many negligent homicides over the years.”

Tom Shellenberger, a lawyer who serves as a spokesman for the Delaware State Sportsmen’s Association, told U.S. News that Biden’s security tip was “the worst type of advice.”

It also ignores another key legal fact that people who study to carry weapons learn immediately, which is that one cannot use deadly force to protect property.  Self-defense in homicides only apply when there is a reasonable belief that one’s life is in imminent danger (or that of another):

Garey said that under Biden’s scenario, Jill Biden could be charged with aggravated menacing, a felony, and reckless endangering in the first degree.

“You cannot use deadly force to protect property” in Delaware, added Garey.

“It is not uncommon” for people to be charged with crimes under similar circumstances, he said. “I’ve seen cases where lawful citizens have used guns outside their homes and they end up arrested.”

Besides, it’s also tactically stupid:

In addition to felony charges, Shellenberger cited the “Discharge of a firearm within 15 yards of a road (7 Del.C. § 719), a misdemeanor,” and “Violation of the residential dwelling safety zone as set forth in 7 Del.C. § 723, also a misdemeanor.”

“Beyond the potential criminal liability, it is simply bad advice,” added Shellenberger. “Not only does blasting blindly away put innocent persons at risk, it also tells the bad guys where you are and that you are armed. In most circumstances, it might be better if that comes as a surprise to the bad guys.”

If Biden doesn’t have the common sense to understand any of the above, let alone all of the above, why should anyone trust his efforts to rewrite gun laws that limit our legal rights to self-defense?


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No worries. Our DC GOP geniuses in leadership will find a way to give Barry the lead again.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Obama fatigue has set in already. For dems that is. I was tired of him just knowing who and what he was back in early 2008. Welcome to the funk libs.

DanMan on May 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM

I was tired of him just knowing who and what he was back in early 2008. Welcome to the funk libs.

Yeah, but who else do they have?

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Obama’s response: “Let me be clear — Quack! Quack!”

KS Rex on May 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Obama fatigue has set in already. For dems that is. I was tired of him just knowing who and what he was back in early 2008. Welcome to the funk libs.

DanMan on May 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM

What else can they “win”?

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

You missed spelled it: limp d!ck.
except when Reggie comes calling.

I want to watch the one spin out of control. Literally.

AllahsNippleHair on May 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

In all three cases, there are more Democrats who say Republicans can do a better job than Obama

Several months late on that. Where were they last November?

GarandFan on May 9, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I don’t really have Obama fatigue right now. My frustration is with the Senate Gangbangers.

Wigglesworth on May 9, 2013 at 6:59 PM

How’s those student loan fees going? Higher rates and higher cost to go to school now that the Govt’s got the “business”? That worked out as well as RobertObamaCare, didn’t it?

Rovin on May 9, 2013 at 6:59 PM

They both suck.

And remember 42% didn’t even know ObamaCare is the law of the land as of last week.

1-20-17

PappyD61 on May 9, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Lame Duck Liar. The Benghazi Bullsh*tter. The Teleprompter Reader In Chief.
One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

Basilsbest on May 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Does this just reveal how close the GOP and the rat-eared wonder are in policy?

davidk on May 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Joe Scarborough … check your registation

J_Crater on May 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Obama’s response: “Let me be clear — Quack! Quack!”

KS Rex on May 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Quack! Quack! Thump! Quack! Quack! Thump!

davidk on May 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Another worthless poll.
Bottom line is make a difference voters are the Food Stampers and other benefit receivers and they all swing Democrat…

albill on May 9, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Not bad for a leaderless party demonized by the media non stop. Now just imagine if the GOP had a spine!

Jack_Burton on May 9, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Several months late on that. Where were they last November?

GarandFan on May 9, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Circling the wagons for The One. But since he’s a lame duck, it okay to begin to consider disagreeing with Obama as Dems start to position themselves for 2016.

JimLennon on May 9, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Gun Protectors—1

Gun Grabbers —-0

canopfor on May 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Gun Protectors—1

Gun Grabbers —-0

canopfor on May 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Bravo Can!

Rovin on May 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Now just imagine if the GOP had a spine!

Jack_Burton on May 9, 2013 at 7:08 PM

They do have a spine. Just look how hard they are pushing “immigration” reform against the will of the people.
/

Mimzey on May 9, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I’d like to hear Johnny Carsons response as to just what kind of lame duck he is, as in ” he is so lame even Sheila Jackson Lee won’t greet him when he speaks to congress.”

tim c on May 9, 2013 at 7:50 PM

GOP now tied with or ahead of Obama on economy, immigration — and gun control

A two day old tuna sandwich could be tied with or ahead of ObamThe guy has accomplished about as much

scalleywag on May 9, 2013 at 8:03 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Bravo Can!

Rovin on May 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Rovin:———-:O

canopfor on May 9, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Watch “Morning Joe” any day of the week and it’s a safe bet you’ll get a lecture on how Republicans are sabotaging themselves in 2014 by alienating the centrists in their own ranks on guns.

Tell a lie often enough, loud enough… They are just trying to write the narrative hoping that if enough people believe it, it will become the truth.

deepdiver on May 9, 2013 at 8:22 PM

and now even David Frum is criticizing the schumer/rubio thing?

immigration reform must really suck bad

Unless you posit that the newly legalized immigrants will dramatically outperform the existing immigrant population, you will reach a result very like that of the Heritage Foundation: that the taxes paid by the newly legalized will not begin to equal the costs of their Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and other benefits.

oh well, Mario…here’s a clue…when Frum is off the reservation, time for you to have an ‘awakening’..and quick

http://minx.cc/?post=339838

r keller on May 9, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Lame fluck is more like it.

A bigger charlatanic thug the land never had.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Calling him a Lame Duck isn’t right. He’s no Duck.

trigon on May 10, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Why would anyone compare the GOP’s to Obama’s on anything at this point?

Obama’s not going to be an election opponent for anyone in the GOP ever going forward.

It’s as meaningless as it would have been to compare Obama’s number’s to Bush’s numbers in 2008. Bush wasn’t running.

To quote Hillary, “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

VekTor on May 10, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Should have been “GOP’s numbers to Obama’s numbers

VekTor on May 10, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Maybe I’m missing something, but why exactly is there an excise tax on beer? Does anyone know the rationale, other than “the government wants more money”?

NorthernCross on May 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

There is excise tax on all alcoholic beverages, but beer, wine, and distilled liquor are all licensed and tracked separately.

gryphon202 on May 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM