WA gun bill includes police searches without warrants

posted at 8:41 am on February 19, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Oh, let’s not call them searchesLet’s call them inspections, just a small price for gun owners to pay for exercising a right explicitly protected in the Constitution, and without any probable cause apparent for a crime being committed.  After all, we know that will convince criminals not to keep weapons, right?  Right?

Even gun-control activists in Washington are embarrassed by this, er, mistake (via Instapundit):

Forget police drones flying over your house. How about police coming inside, once a year, to have a look around?

As Orwellian as that sounds, it isn’t hypothetical. The notion of police home inspections was introduced in a bill last week in Olympia.

That it’s part of one of the major gun-control efforts pains me. It seemed in recent weeks lawmakers might be headed toward some common-sense regulation of gun sales. But then last week they went too far. By mistake, they claim. But still too far.

“They always say, we’ll never go house to house to take your guns away. But then you see this, and you have to wonder.”

Most of us aren’t wondering.  As for this being a “mistake,” the description from Danny Westneat in the Seattle Times makes it sound like a pretty deliberate error:

But then, with respect to the thousands of weapons like that already owned by Washington residents, the bill says this:

“In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall … safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”

In other words, come into homes without a warrant to poke around. Failure to comply could get you up to a year in jail.

A mistake is a typo or forgetting to insert or remove a key word in legislation; that happens from time to time, with embarrassing but not usually substantial consequences.  This was obviously a deliberate part of the bill, intended to intimidate gun owners into giving up the exercise of their rights, again with the meaningless rubric of “assault weapons.”

By the way, yet another study shows that an “assault weapons” ban will have no impact on crime.  Did it come from the NRA?  No, it came from the Department of Justice, which has held it close to the vest for the last six weeks:

Justice Department researchers have concluded that an assault weapons ban is “unlikely to have an effect on gun violence,” but President Obama has not accepted their report as his administration’s official position.

“Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to US gun homicide and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence,” the DOJ’s National Institute for Justice explains in a January 4 report obtained by the National Rifle Association. “If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptions then it could be effective.” That idea is also undermined by the acknowledgement that “a complete elimination of assault weapons would not have a large impact on gun homicides.”

The research in that report didn’t stop Obama denouncing “weapons of war” during his State of the Union speech on February 12.

The number of homicide victims from all rifle types is about 3% of all homicide victims on an annual basis.  They are far outstripped by victims from cutting weapons or even “personal weapons” — hands and feet.   Anyone who paid attention to the impact (and lack thereof) of the 1994 ban already knows this.  However, this current hysteria makes for a wonderful opportunity to frighten law-abiding citizens with threats of random police searches while doing nothing about the criminals, who will benefit from the redirection of law-enforcement resources.


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Gee, let’s not only infringe on the 2nd Amendment, but let’s add the 4th as well.

Bitter Clinger on February 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Let them try warrantless searches. They’ll make a nut like Alex Jones with his “it’ll be 1776 all over again” rant into freaking Nostradamus.

Doughboy on February 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

I never thought I would see the day where we have to defend our civil rights line-by-line in the Constitution.

We are turning into Nazi Germany.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

They have this all wrong. If they want to find illegally owned guns they need to kick the doors down of everyone without a registered gun. And if you inform on a neighbor during the inspection you will get a pass on the universal common sense comprehensive boot to the face.

forest on February 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Remember just a few weeks ago liberals were making fun of anyone who was concerned about the government going into their homes to take away their guns?

Uh huh.

JohnTant on February 19, 2013 at 8:49 AM

The only mistake these guys made was not burying so far in another bill that people found out before it could be passed.
The Gestapo is coming.

Badger40 on February 19, 2013 at 8:49 AM

We are turning into Nazi Germany.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

All gun owners will have special tags to be worn on their person & on their licenses & license plates…..

Badger40 on February 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

And while sheriffs are running around checking on legal guns, criminals with illegal ones can run free doing their thing while law enforcement is busy elsewhere.

{pt is called a gateway drug. Pot is legal in some states now. So, how about there be inspections to make sure a user has only pot and nothing else, and that it’s safely kept away from everyone under age 18.

These gun grabbers are sounding pretty desperate lately.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Just proposing and supporting a bill with such language – an assault bill on our Constitution – should land these miserable pieces OS in jail, where they are safely and securely stored away from any future legislation. Honestly. This is an attempted crime and those who tried to perpetrate it or lent aid and comfort to its passage should stand trial.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 19, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Kline and Kohl-Welles sponsored two previous bills with provisions for searches of you home to check on you assault weapon storage. So this one was not likely to be a “mistake”. http://www.soundpolitics.com/

Cinematicfilm on February 19, 2013 at 8:54 AM

These gun grabbers are sounding pretty desperate lately.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Not desperate. Empowered. A compliant media has been spewing the lie that the majority of Americans want this draconian behavior vis guns.

totherightofthem on February 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM

But if the house search is done just once a year, wouldn’t the filthy, child-hating gun owner be able to stash the evil rifles of color in a concealed hidy hole and thereby thwart the heroic efforts of the gestapo peace officers?

Better to allow unannounced searches anytime to be truly effective and to more thoroughly sh!t on both letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution.

ROCnPhilly on February 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM

“Badges, we don’t need no stinkin’ badges!”

Patriot Vet on February 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM

These gun grabbers are acting like poo-throwing chimps, while hoping something sticks.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM

These gun grabbers are acting like poo-throwing chimps, while hoping something sticks.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM

I think these leftist slugs prefer to eat their poo. Chimps are smarter.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 19, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Better to allow unannounced searches anytime to be truly effective and to more thoroughly sh!t on both letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution.

ROCnPhilly on February 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Allowing that would be ‘too much’. However, because records get ‘misfiled’ all the time, citizens could easily face more of these so-called inspections.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 8:58 AM

I wonder whether the point exists at which people realize that the cops who follow order like that are no better than politicians who issue them, and organize armed resistance. Were Nuremberg Tribunals for nothing? Following orders is not an excuse.

Archivarix on February 19, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Never thought I’d say this , but time for a realignment of red and blue states. May the best color win.

msupertas on February 19, 2013 at 8:59 AM

{pt is called a gateway drug. Pot is legal in some states now. So, how about there be inspections to make sure a user has only pot and nothing else, and that it’s safely kept away from everyone under age 18.

These gun grabbers are sounding pretty desperate lately.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Ironically, Washington is one of the states where pot is now legal.

Bitter Clinger on February 19, 2013 at 9:00 AM

I think these leftist slugs prefer to eat their poo. Chimps are smarter.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 19, 2013 at 8:58 AM

And we now have the studies, as well as the empirical evidence of the trolls here, to prove it!

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Ironically, Washington is one of the states where pot is now legal.

Bitter Clinger on February 19, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Hmmmm…maybe some inspections need to be made there. For the children, of course.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Hope I accidently don’t shoot someone making a surprise inspection…we live in dangerous times.

trs on February 19, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Let’s be VERY CLEAR…This is NO ACCIDENT!!!! See

Senate Bill 6396 – 2010

AND

Senate Bill 5475 – 2005

So clearly these people are lying and big big big! They need to be confronted with that truth.

wsucoug on February 19, 2013 at 9:04 AM

This is so unconstitutional on multiple fronts and such a blatant assault on personal liberty, it HAS to wake people up, right? This is what “domestic enemies” look like. The Republic is being destroyed by enemies within and defending our second amendment rights is a hill that millions of people are willing to fight and die for. How do they think this is going to turn out?

Harbingeing on February 19, 2013 at 9:04 AM

I never thought I would see the day where we have to defend our civil rights line-by-line in the Constitution.

We are turning into Nazi Germany.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

If it saves one life, it’ll be worth it. We need to do something immediately because – I’m very emotional right now!

forest on February 19, 2013 at 9:05 AM

In other words, come into homes without a warrant to poke around. Failure to comply could get you up to a year in jail.

Does Wa have enough jails and money in the budget for this?

docflash on February 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

This same law was proposed in a recent New Jersey legislative session. I wonder whose outline was being circulated among the leftist legislators in our states?

newjerseypatriot on February 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Sounds like a combined effort is starting to take shape. State legislatures ban as many types of rifles and handguns as possible while federal agencies like the DHS buy up all the ammunititon and AR-15′s and similar weapons.

There’s obviously a concerted effort because many of the bills put forth in these states read exactly the same.

darwin on February 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

I thought that our resident prog trolls laughed and told us that this would never happen. And that we were being paranoid. Yeah, progs, you’re ALWAYS wrong. ALWAYS. This sort of fascist behaviour will invoke severe backlash which is liable to bite you in the a**. Also, the police state, once they’re done with us, will come for you too on your pet causes. Never imagine that it ain’t gonna happen.

tommy71 on February 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Let them try warrantless searches. They’ll make a nut like Alex Jones with his “it’ll be 1776 all over again” rant into freaking Nostradamus.
Doughboy on February 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Wrong. People will continue to talk big and do NOTHING as usual, while they continue to do away with the Constitution. People of today lack the fortitude of those long ago that desired liberty and freedom. If you disagree, show me where I’m wrong. All people will do is say cliche phrases such as, “vote them all out” and look to a clown like Rubio to save them, when, in actuality, it’s the Rubios that are the problem.

air_up_there on February 19, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Well, it also looks as though the president doesn’t even trust the Marines with operable weapons on us soil around him!

Disabled Marines rifles at inauguration
http://www.examiner.com/article/disabled-marine-rifles-at-inauguration-signal-shift-administration-policy

Patriot Vet on February 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM

In other words, come into homes without a warrant to poke around. Failure to comply could get you up to a year in jail

…unless you are in this country illegally!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM

We gave up the 4th amendment when we allowed the TSA to engage in “Love Pats”….so this doesn’t surprise me a bit.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin

workingclass artist on February 19, 2013 at 9:10 AM

There’s obviously a concerted effort because many of the bills put forth in these states read exactly the same.

darwin on February 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

These ideas have been kicking around for years, waiting to be presented. The same with Ocare–all the crap in that bill has been formulated over decades; there is no way all those pages were put together and coordinated in the time between Obama’s election and the bill’s presentation to Congress

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Wasn’t/Isn’t Minnesota considering the same thing?

gophergirl on February 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Obama ignores DOJ researchers who conclude assault weapons ban won’t cut gun violence
http://washingtonexaminer.com/doj-researchers-conclude-assault-weapons-ban-wont-cut-gun-violence/article/2521839

“Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to US gun homicide and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence,” the DOJ’s National Institute for Justice explains in a January 4 report obtained by the National Rifle Association. “If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptions then it could be effective.” That idea is also undermined by the acknowledgement that “a complete elimination of assault weapons would not have a large impact on gun homicides.”

The NRA countered by hinting that Obama is paving the way for “mandatory gun confiscation,” but the DOJ denied that is the case.

“The Administration has never supported a gun registry or gun confiscation,” a DOJ official told Talking Points Memo, adding that the January 4 report does “not represent the position of the Department of Justice or the administration.”

Colbyjack on February 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM

“In order to continue to free speech that was legally spoken on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall … safely and securely keep their mouth shut. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”

Why not. If it is good for the 2nd it is good for the 1st.

Limerick on February 19, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Why exactly shouldn’t he be confirmed?

ninjapirate on February 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Because he’s an Anti-Semitic, IDIOT?

JFKY on February 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Colbyjack on February 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Whoops! Ed already found this, sorry about that.

Colbyjack on February 19, 2013 at 9:16 AM

NYC revoked its stop-and-frisk law because it violated civil rights. But entering homes without a warrant is okay.

Yup–got it. /

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 9:16 AM

I never thought I would see the day where we have to defend our civil rights line-by-line in the Constitution.

We are turning into Nazi Germany.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

You won’t spread those baseless lies anymore after we hit you with a drone missile. Don’t think we can? Don’t think we know where you live? Just go outside and look up in the air.

DasObamaReich on February 19, 2013 at 9:17 AM

I smell a tussle in the courts coming…

(Things aren’t that far gone… yet.)

CPT. Charles on February 19, 2013 at 9:19 AM

The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”

What else does the sheriff of the county get to do while conducting such an inspection?

Do they get to note if your kids look a tad dirty and report you to social services for a health and welfare investigation??? You’re a gun owner so clearly you’ve got one mark against you as a child-hater to begin with.

Do they get to ignore “probable cause” statutes if they should find something illegal in the home unrelated to the purpose of their inspection?

And where is this manpower coming from that the sheriff can conduct “inspections?”

This was no mistake but shows just how emboldened the left is over the curtailment of civil rights. I suspect that this was a step too far and the tide may well be turning as a result of this and idiots like CO state representative Joe Salazar’s comments that women need not fear rape on campus when they’ve installed call boxes and safe zones.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Just remember this story when the left erroneously labels the right ‘fascists’.

DavidM on February 19, 2013 at 9:19 AM

But, just you try and stop someone who looks illegal for a traffic violation and ask to see identification, Mr. You’ll have the DOJ all over your azz. Guns, illegal home invasion searches, not so much.

Kissmygrits on February 19, 2013 at 9:19 AM

WA gun bill includes police searches without warrants

It may not get passed, but the importance of the bill is that it’s a window into the leftist mind. If ever there were doubt, it tell us where they’re headed: home searches without warrants.

petefrt on February 19, 2013 at 9:20 AM

This same law was proposed in a recent New Jersey legislative session. I wonder whose outline was being circulated among the leftist legislators in our states?

newjerseypatriot on February 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Probably the Brady group in coordination with the DoJ. About as anti-Constitutional band of traitors as you can find in America short of the rat-eared wonder’s friends that detonate bombs in the US Capitol and brag about it years later from tenured positions in academia.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM

It may not get passed, but the importance of the bill is that it’s a window into the leftist mind. If ever there were doubt, it tell us where they’re headed: home searches without warrants.

petefrt on February 19, 2013 at 9:20 AM

No, no, no–it would never apply to anything else. /

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 9:23 AM

When you read about an “insurgency” starting up in the USA, fomenting rebellion, crazy gun nuts resisting the Law and causing acts of “terrorism”; it will be your friends and neighbors who have had enough.

Bulletchaser on February 19, 2013 at 9:24 AM

This is not an accident. The progressives are always testing the limits of their rights grabbing agenda. When they overplay they pretend it was a mistake but sooner or later they will try the same trick again when they think they are more likely to get away with it. Meanwhile most of the public continues to sleep.

DaveDief on February 19, 2013 at 9:24 AM

I don’t live in Washington – but I will take this seriously. I have wondered if this concern with the gun control freaks and others is a little overblown, but I have come to the conclusion that it is perhaps underblown. I am looking to add to my own arsenal. What in the hell is the world coming to? Am I going to have to one day fight my local police department?

Zomcon JEM on February 19, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Gee, let’s not only infringe on the 2nd Amendment, but let’s add the 4th as well.

Bitter Clinger on February 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

The Fourth Amendment has already been sliced and diced at an airport near you.

VorDaj on February 19, 2013 at 9:28 AM

petefrt on February 19, 2013 at 9:20 AM

A very good point.

CPT. Charles on February 19, 2013 at 9:29 AM

If anyone tried that with me-won’t happen it Texas, so this is a hypothetical obviously-they’d get my gun bullets first.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM

The Fourth Amendment has already been sliced and diced at an airport near you.

VorDaj on February 19, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Also being considered for train and interstate bus stations.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Do they get to note if your kids look a tad dirty and report you to social services for a health and welfare investigation??? You’re a gun owner so clearly you’ve got one mark against you as a child-hater to begin with.

There is a novel out there called “Freedoms’ Sons” about a successful revolution and breaking away of the NorthWest of the USA. The triggering event was when the DHS came for their kids because the children at school had displayed non-politically correct attitudes and the new Federal Child Dept was coming to take them away. The Dept was nicknamed “It takes a Village.”

Bulletchaser on February 19, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Just remember this story when the left erroneously labels the right ‘fascists’.

DavidM on February 19, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Although they try to slip it all in under another guise
To all their fascist action most foul we must still be wise
In spite of all the Houdini lies
Dancing in the democrats’ evermore Mussolini eyes!

VorDaj on February 19, 2013 at 9:32 AM

If it saves one life, it’ll be worth it. We need to do something immediately because – I’m very emotional right now!

forest on February 19, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Let’s not go down that path because it can work both ways. Homer Simpson on a mandatory waiting period before he can get his gun…. “But I’m angry now.” ;0

Seriously, the gun grabbers are banking on the ability of banning stuff quickly. The counter-argument needs to be Constitutional and keeping that in the forefront. How a legislator could even sign on to a bill with mandatory warrantless searches of private homes is beyond my understanding.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I don’t live in Washington – but I will take this seriously. I have wondered if this concern with the gun control freaks and others is a little overblown, but I have come to the conclusion that it is perhaps underblown. I am looking to add to my own arsenal. What in the hell is the world coming to? Am I going to have to one day fight my local police department?

Zomcon JEM on February 19, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Yes.

Bulletchaser on February 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Well after all, Barack Obama, he’s an ordinary liberty grabbing fascist man
Who desires nothing more than an ordinary chance
To make all people live exactly as he wishes, and do precisely what he wants…
An average fascist man is he, of no especially clever whim
Who wants to control everyone else’s life
While he goes golfing or on yet another royal vacation with his ugly wife
With everyone supinely doing whatever he commands
Well… just an ordinary fascist man is he …

BUT!
Let some real Americans take action against his destructive schemes and his serenity will be through
They’ll destroy his grand controlling plans, from the cellar to the dome
And then go on to the enthralling fun of piece by piece eviscerating him…

Cheshire Cat on February 19, 2013 at 9:37 AM

This was not any mistake — Senator Murray included similar language in another bill back in 2009.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=6396

Also, word has it that Murray is very capable of planning a multi-year step-by-step effort in the past to achieve his goals. This guy is all abut the slippery slope.

The_Real_JeffS on February 19, 2013 at 9:39 AM

The bill, containing the “inspection” clause, was read (introduced)on Feb 13th. The clause is now missing from the bill and the title says it is “corrected”. The changed occurred on Feb 15th per file properties.

As I read it, the Washington Constitution enhances the Federal 2nd Amendment:

Washington Constitution Article 1, Sec. 24: The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

Even without the “inspection” clause, these bills surely do appear to be an impairment in violation of the State Constitution.

SouthernRoots on February 19, 2013 at 9:45 AM

They’ll make a nut like Alex Jones with his “it’ll be 1776 all over again” rant into freaking Nostradamus.

Doughboy on February 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

I was thinking the exact same thing. They’ve made a crazo a clairvoyant.

Washington Nearsider on February 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM

My Rep Mike Hope(R44-spit) supports this BS. Why do I vote Republican again?

Mr. Arrogant on February 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM

“In order to continue to free speech that was legally spoken on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall … safely and securely keep their mouth shut. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”

Why not. If it is good for the 2nd it is good for the 1st.

Limerick on February 19, 2013 at 9:13 AM

While you’re making an excellent point on the matter, consider the very disturbing trend I’ve seen on other sites where so-called “Liberals” have come out for limitations on free-speech.

So-called “Liberals” Hate Liberty.

Galt2009 on February 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM

“They always say, we’ll never go house to house to take your guns away. But then you see this, and you have to wonder.”

Well, I suppose if you are wondering, there might actually be hope for you, however slim, but the question is, what took you so long?

Cleombrotus on February 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM

California Democrats are proposing a bill to do the same. But nobody is embarrassed about it.

Socratease on February 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Wrong. People will continue to talk big and do NOTHING as usual, while they continue to do away with the Constitution. People of today lack the fortitude of those long ago that desired liberty and freedom. If you disagree, show me where I’m wrong. All people will do is say cliche phrases such as, “vote them all out” and look to a clown like Rubio to save them, when, in actuality, it’s the Rubios that are the problem.

air_up_there on February 19, 2013 at 9:08 AM

+1

People do feel the stress of knowing what’s happening is wrong and that in the end it will bring poverty and violence, but they have no idea what to do and no stomach for confrontation and conflict which may arise. We the people are no longer citizens of a great country, but merely slaves-in-waiting.

ROCnPhilly on February 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM

So Ironic

We were told it was so wrong for states to pass laws that people could be required to produce legal documents for being here legally…..
If they were suspected of being illegals.
People were mocked saying it was like the Nazi’s…”let me see your papers.”

But now American citizens, allowed to own guns are being told to do that.

Truly interesting times we live in.

MityMaxx on February 19, 2013 at 9:56 AM

People do feel the stress of knowing what’s happening is wrong and that in the end it will bring poverty and violence, but they have no idea what to do and no stomach for confrontation and conflict which may arise. We the people are no longer citizens of a great country, but merely slaves-in-waiting.

ROCnPhilly on February 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM

AGAIN, glad P!ssy-Willow fellows like you weren’t around in 1776 or 1863 or 1942…..

If all you are going to do is ride the slide to the decline, please STFU and get on with living a “free life, within the Welfare State” or whatever that work is entitled….

Again, in a world that had Sakharov or has Aung San Suu Kyi we have YOU.

JFKY on February 19, 2013 at 10:00 AM

To those who pooh-pooh LaPierre/NRA’s slippery slope warning, Washington State’s bill appears to justify a nickname: Exhibit ‘A’.

Barnestormer on February 19, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Let them try warrantless searches. They’ll make a nut like Alex Jones with his “it’ll be 1776 all over again” rant into freaking Nostradamus.
Doughboy on February 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Wrong. People will continue to talk big and do NOTHING as usual, while they continue to do away with the Constitution. People of today lack the fortitude of those long ago that desired liberty and freedom.
air_up_there on February 19, 2013 at 9:08 AM

I’m not sure what would happen, but I do believe there is a seething undercurrent in the country, probably even more so after Obama’s re-election. The left is emboldened and the right is being pushed to their limits. We’ve had four years of a stagnant economy, we’ve got a completely polarized electorate, petitions for
s e c e s s i o n and soaring gun sales. Throw in a hot button issue and tempers will flare even more. The water is now in a constant state of simmer and I don’t think we can safely say it will never boil over.
The concerns in the past were about the “radical left” or “right-wing militias”, but I think the mindset of the mainstream has now changed…and could prove to be unpredictable.

lynncgb on February 19, 2013 at 10:19 AM

What a wonderful idea! Hey! Let’s “invite” police to just wander into our homes on a semi-annual “unannounced” basis! Just think of all the “crime” that would be uncovered.

And why stop at just our homes? How about random stops and searches of vehicles? “Stop and frisk” of people walking on the streets?

It will make for a SAFER society! Just ask any lib!

GarandFan on February 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Look for more of this in the near future. It’s all part of the left’s long-game strategy. They propose something outrageous at the start and expect pushback. Then they propose something less outrageous but no less unconstitutional, and everyone thinks it sounds reasonable and breathes a sigh of relief.

CurtZHP on February 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Washington’s a LIBERAL state right?

I don’t have a problem with LIBERALS disarming their own side.

HondaV65 on February 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM

And why stop at just our homes? How about random stops and searches of vehicles? “Stop and frisk” of people walking on the streets?

It will make for a SAFER society! Just ask any lib!

GarandFan on February 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Let me see your papers!

As I posted above, we are becoming Nazi Germany. They want the guns out private ownership for a reason.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Liberals gone wild.

Never let a crisis go to waste….they are milking the school shooting for every drop.

tommer74 on February 19, 2013 at 10:30 AM

This is so unconstitutional on multiple fronts and such a blatant assault on personal liberty, it HAS to wake people up, right? This is what “domestic enemies” look like. The Republic is being destroyed by enemies within and defending our second amendment rights is a hill that millions of people are willing to fight and die for. How do they think this is going to turn out?

Harbingeing on February 19, 2013 at 9:04 AM

We will “wake up” when the EBT cards stop working and the government paychecks stop coming, and not a moment before.

Even if Obama was to confiscate all guns, there won’t be any revolt. Is one guy with a handgun going to take on a heavily armed swat team? No. He’s going to turn it over and not get himself and his wife and kids killed. This fantasy that any day now the American people are going to “wake up” is a fantasy – you will not see this until there is a total collapse of law and order caused by the economy falling apart.

Doomberg on February 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM

All of you who think this won’t happen in my state or that the bill won’t pass, need to rethink your position. I didn’t think dear leader would be reelected, either, and look what happened. Get busy now and get your state legislature to pass laws prohibiting this unconstitutional usurpation sh#t from even being brought up.

Kissmygrits on February 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Washington’s a LIBERAL state right?

I don’t have a problem with LIBERALS disarming their own side.

HondaV65 on February 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Over generalize much? It’s probably not the (already unarmed) liberals in Washington who are the bill’s target population.

Barnestormer on February 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Washington’s a LIBERAL state right?

HondaV65 on February 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Depends on who you talk to. All the commie states of the left coast have individuals that make the claim there hordes of conservative Americans under-represented because of the population centers of Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.

I would say that, true or not, it is an irrelevant point because it is the commies that are running the show in all three states. Whether or not Washingtonians living closer to the Idaho border agree or not it is their elected officials that are trying to establish warrantless searches as the norm.

Happy Nomad on February 19, 2013 at 10:33 AM

JFKY on February 19, 2013 at 10:00 AM

You have missed the point of my post completely. And you are rude.

ROCnPhilly on February 19, 2013 at 10:38 AM

The 10th Amendment is history (not the good kind). The Fourth is in shreds. The First is on the ropes. Now the assault on the Second is fully underway.

So let’s make an immigration deal! Remember, “dealing” is our sacred higher-than-Constitutional obligation. If you can’t deal, you can’t be considered a serious Republican. If you try to do something other than “deal”, you’re rude, scary, hateful — a scandal to the Ruling Class House of Bipartisan Lords.

rrpjr on February 19, 2013 at 10:41 AM

and here’s the irony…the same party (heck, for all I know the same legislator) is currently fighting in Olympia against a law that would ensure that parents are informed if their minor daughter gets an abortion. It’s not a parental consent law, it’s a parental INFORMATION law.

Yet the Dems fight against it…4th Amendment and all.

29Victor on February 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

We the people are no longer citizens of a great country, but merely slaves-in-waiting.

Excuse me for mis-interpreting that…..

Well, Thomas Paine was rude, so too was Patrick Henry, John Adams…many people who decided to
“… to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them.”

JFKY on February 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

This is another one of those headlines that only be read for you to know it’s a west coast or northeast state/city and yet another case of liberals willing to give up freedom in favor of the nanny/police state. I hope that the cops begin invading the homes of liberals ASAP.

cajunpatriot on February 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM

These gun grabbers are sounding pretty desperate lately.

Liam on February 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Not desperate. Empowered. A compliant media has been spewing the lie that the majority of Americans want this draconian behavior vis guns.

totherightofthem on February 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM

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All that… and evil in their attempts to steal our freedoms. They want their boots on our necks NOW damnit. There is no other way to view what has been going on lately… IMO

RalphyBoy on February 19, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Look for more of this in the near future. It’s all part of the left’s long-game strategy. They propose something outrageous at the start and expect pushback. Then they propose something less outrageous but no less unconstitutional, and everyone thinks it sounds reasonable and breathes a sigh of relief.

CurtZHP on February 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM

It works well partly because it gives gop fools the chance to look “reasonable”. It also lets the average sheep get back to more important things, like posting new status updates on facebook and googling Kim Kardasian.

ROCnPhilly on February 19, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Just remember this story when the left erroneously labels the right ‘fascists’.

DavidM on February 19, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Hey, remember when liberals coined the phrase “jack-booted thugs” ?

Just remind you leftie friends that the “inspections” don’t have to be limited to people with registered firearms. How about people who are suspected of having evil-looking weapons. How about people who insist that they don’t have evil-looking weapons, like your leftie friend?

Next, tell your leftie friend to think about what they might have in their house that they would rather the cops not know about:
weed, cocaine, pills, magic mushrooms, pirated DVDs, pirated software, MP3 downloads, and so on.

Search my house today, search your house tomorrow.

kurtzz3 on February 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Simple words and pictures are powerful, and I think it’s time for conservatives to start fighting back hard.

The left loves to throw out accusations of racism and nazism. But I think the right really needs to call out the left’s nanny-statism at every turn and label it liberal facism. I’ve alway thought one of the funnier book covers was the cover for Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Facism: the “Have a Nice Day” smiley face with a Hitler mustache on it. Conservatives–though maybe not the elected official–need to be rallying around the slogan, “Stop Liberal Facism Now!” Stickers, signs, T-Shirts, and the like. The left would have a fit, but boy would that paint a great label on them.

BuckeyeSam on February 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM

How exactly is this different than “Stop and Frisk”, a program that many people who aren’t actually getting stopped and frisked support?

We complain about our rights being infringed, but enable our police force to do more and more each year. It’s conservatives and liberals. It’s a shame too.

segasagez on February 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

JFKY on February 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I spoke of what I believe about the average American, not every American. I hear a lot about the need to stop the progressive destruction of our liberties, but the hope is always that someone will come along and stop it. Just like a child hopes someone will arrive to get the frisbee off the roof or the cat from the tree.

The U.S has become a country of children who believe a good temper tantrum solves all. And sadly enough, for the left, it often does.

I’ve spent a lot of time lately teaching first-time gun owners safe firearm practices and shooting skills. It disheartens me that most have purchased firearms not to defend themselves or their country or even to learn the martial arts of marksmanship, but out of a neurotic scarcity impulse akin to a pre-storm bread and milk run. One girl thought she’d get a .22 because “it’s probably less lethal”. Every jack man of them will gladly turn in their weapon when the feds come knocking and they will all give authorities my name if they think it will allow them to return more quickly to their regularly scheduled lives.

I do not like to make such observations concerning my fellow countrymen. I am merely reporting them and my opinions for the sake of information and discussion.

ROCnPhilly on February 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM

If individuals within federal, state and local governments are working together to strip the Constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedom of ordinary Americans, wouldn’t it be reasonable for ordinary Americans to respond in kind? I wonder what actual charges could be brought against legislators that propose or vote for bills that are intended to infringe on Constitutionally guaranteed rights?

We must demand accountability. We must demand transparency. We must demand that every bill that comes to the floor in its final state for a vote must be published for public review and oversight because we can no longer trust our elected representatives to work for our best interests. We must demand that our representatives live by the same laws we are expected to live by. We must demand term limits.

Emails, letters, online petitions and phone calls are all fine, but not particularly effective. We need to be organized and gather together in large numbers to pay our elected representatives face-to-face visits as often as possible. There are a lot of groups out there already. Find one in your area, join them and make your voice heard. It is time to decide what kind of country we are going to live in and leave to our children.

MarkM on February 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

It may not get passed, but the importance of the bill is that it’s a window into the leftist mind. If ever there were doubt, it tell us where they’re headed: home searches without warrants.

petefrt on February 19, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Yep, exactly. It’s a trial balloon gauged to see what the reaction will be.

Look for more of this in the near future. It’s all part of the left’s long-game strategy. They propose something outrageous at the start and expect pushback. Then they propose something less outrageous but no less unconstitutional, and everyone thinks it sounds reasonable and breathes a sigh of relief.

CurtZHP on February 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM

And this is what we all have to be attuned to, all the time. Every infringment, no matter how small or seemingly “reasonable” has to be interpreted as a serious threat.

PatriotGal2257 on February 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Emails, letters, online petitions and phone calls are all fine, but not particularly effective. We need to be organized and gather together in large numbers to pay our elected representatives face-to-face visits as often as possible. There are a lot of groups out there already. Find one in your area, join them and make your voice heard. It is time to decide what kind of country we are going to live in and leave to our children.

MarkM on February 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

They have to come home some time — maybe a welcoming committee with a vat of hot tar and half a dozen feather pillows will open their ears a little…

affenhauer on February 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

MarkM on February 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Sounds great. You’ll need the media to really push for it. Just like they championed smaller, more efficient government for the Tea Party.

Then you’ll need the U.S. Attorney General’s office to get involved like they did when they brought those responsible for the government-sponsored gun-running Fast and Furious program to justice.

I’d like that to work. Wouldn’t count on it, though.

Defeating the WorldProg hordes would take a bit more than that. It would be difficult, would need to be well-managed and would require a very high level of discipline on the part of all involved. It would also take time. And NO it would not require firearms to accomplish.

ROCnPhilly on February 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Does Wa have enough jails and money in the budget for this?

docflash on February 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Those TSA ‘Holding Areas’ will come in handy!

slickwillie2001 on February 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Wasn’t/Isn’t Minnesota considering the same thing?

gophergirl on February 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Yes, from bill HF-241:

Subd. 5. Registration of assault weapons. (a) A person who legally owned or
9.15possessed an assault weapon before February 1, 2013, and who desires to keep ownership
9.16or possession of the weapon shall comply with the following requirements:
9.17(1) submit to a background check conducted by the chief of police of the
9.18municipality in which the person resides, or if there is no police department the sheriff
9.19of the county in which the person resides, to confirm the person is not prohibited from
9.20possessing a firearm under state or federal law; and
9.21(2) unless the person is currently prohibited by law from possessing a firearm,
9.22immediately register the weapon with the appropriate law enforcement agency.
9.23(b) A person described in paragraph (a) shall comply with all of the following:
9.24(1) safely and securely store the assault weapon pursuant to the regulations adopted
9.25by the appropriate law enforcement agency;
9.26(2) agree to allow the agency to inspect the storage of the weapon to ensure
9.27compliance with this subdivision;

9.28(3) annually renew the registration, subject to the completion of a new background
9.29check;
9.30(4) possess the weapon only on property owned or immediately controlled by the
9.31person, or while engaged in the legal use of the weapon at a duly licensed firing range, or
9.32while transporting the weapon in compliance with United States Code, title 18, section
9.33926A;

climbnjump on February 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

All gun owners will have special tags to be worn on their person & on their licenses & license plates…..

Badger40 on February 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Perhaps a bright yellow patch in the shape of a handgun to be worn in a visible location on the chest or shoulder whenever out in public….

But really, we’re NOT out to confiscate your guns, really we’re not, trust me we would never do anything to violate the Bill of Rights, really – trust me… it’s for your own good…..
/lyin libs

dentarthurdent on February 19, 2013 at 12:19 PM

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