Report: Hagel called Netanyahu a radical, said Israel was at risk of becoming an apartheid state

posted at 3:21 pm on February 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “Liberals remember why they like Chuck Hagel.”

Two problems here. Problem one: Like the earlier report when he allegedly said that the State Department is controlled by Israel’s foreign ministry, there’s no hard proof. There’s not even a direct quote. It sounds like him, which isn’t something you can say of most would-be cabinet members, but good luck getting any Democrats to cross Obama and switch their votes based on that.

Kenneth Wagner, who attended the 2010 speech while a Rutgers University law student, provided the Washington Free Beacon with an email he sent during the event to a contact at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. The email is time-stamped April 9, 2010, at 11:37 AM.

“I am sitting in a lecture by Chuck Hagel at Rutgers,” Wagner wrote in the email. “He basically said that Israel has violated every UN resolution since 1967, that Israel has violated its agreements with the quartet, that it was risking becoming an apartheid state if it didn’t allow the Palestinians to form a state. He said that the settlements were getting close to the point where a contiguous Palestinian state would be impossible.”

“He said that he [thought] that Netanyahu was a radical and that even [former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi] Livni, who was hard nosed thought he was too radical and so wouldn’t join in a coalition [government] with him. … He said that Hamas has to be brought in to any peace negotiation,” Wagner wrote.

Rather Hagelian, but if you’re willing to support him when we know for a fact he’s referred to the “Jewish lobby,” why wouldn’t you support him after this? It’s not like he was poised to have a warm relationship with Bibi and Israel’s defense ministry until the Rutgers stuff surfaced. Obama’s fully prepared for relations with Israel to be further strained in his second term; he’d have never considered this nomination if he wasn’t. (Worth a presidential medal, don’t you think?) Which brings us to the second problem. Dave Weigel did some googling and discovered that ominous warnings of apartheidism are no bar to cabinet appointments … even in Israel:

I’ve obtained a quote from Hagel saying this in February 2010.

“As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic. If this bloc of millions of ­Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state.”

My mistake! That wasn’t Hagel. That was Ehud Barak, speaking in his capacity as Israel’s defense minister. If we accept the text of the email, Hagel didn’t accuse Israel of being or becoming an apartheid state. Wagner has Hagel saying that Israel risk[ed] becoming an apartheid state if it didn’t allow the Palestinians to form a state, and saying that two months after Israel’s former PM and contemporary defense minister had said it.

A former Democratic president once wrote an entire book on this subject. But then, it’s probably a mistake to view these reports of questionable speeches individually rather than in the aggregate. The point here isn’t to find one single thing that Hagel’s said that’ll instantly disqualify him, it’s to give the Democrats a headache that pounds harder, day by day over the next week, so that when they come back to D.C. they’re ready to purge themselves of this whole business. Makes me wonder, in fact, if Hagel’s opponents aren’t discovering this stuff every few days but rather have a pile of it amassed and are now following a Breitbartian strategy of dribbling it out daily to steadily increase the pressure. All his opponents need, really, is a crack in the dam, just one Democrat to say “enough.” Anyone willing to do that, preferably/possibly a southern Dem up for reelection who wouldn’t mind putting some distance between him/her and The One? Mark Pryor? Mary Landrieu? Anyone?

Read Dan Foster on the two scenarios for the Pentagon if Hagel ends up being confirmed. Either he’ll be an incompetent manager of a White House defense strategy that’s more hawkish than he’d prefer or he’ll be an able spokesman for an incompetent, more dovish White House strategy. Being an eeyore, I can imagine him being an incompetent manager of an incompetent strategy, but who knows? Maybe one of the reasons O wants Hagel is that he expects that he or Netanyahu will have to order an attack on Iran’s nuke facilities in his second term and he wants some political cover from his more dovish SecDef when he does it. Hagel’s “brand” is his chief value to Obama, after all; he’s a Republican stamp of approval on defense cuts. Why wouldn’t he be a paleocon stamp of approval on a war with Iran too?

Update: Touche:


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If this clown gets confirmed, Israel is almost certain to get very aggressive in defending itself. And it will guarantee that we will not be able to protect ourselves because we will be giving away all of our military superiority.

Jugears wants this fool in there so that the F-16s will be given to the Muslim Brotherhood by a GOP.

platypus on February 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Incompetence…par for this administration

cmsinaz on February 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I’d trade pretty much anyone currently in DC for Netanyahu any day. He is a real patriot.

UltimateBob on February 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Send him to the UN, he’ll fit right in there…

ToddPA on February 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Dana Loesch ‏@DLoesch

“I’m not going to vote to confirm Hagel as Sec’y of Defense.” Sen. Blunt #dlrs

canopfor on February 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

me wonder, in fact, if Hagel’s opponents aren’t discovering this stuff every few days but rather have a pile of it amassed and are now following a Breitbartian strategy of dribbling it out daily to steadily increase the pressure.

Bingo!

aunursa on February 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Hagel is channeling his inner Jimmy…

workingclass artist on February 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Results for #hagel

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23hagel

canopfor on February 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Of course, the Jew-free Arab countries are not in danger of becoming apartheid states.

…getting close to the point where a contiguous Palestinian state would be impossible.”

Yeah, one can see how that might be a problem given that there’s an actual country in-between Hamastan and Fatahstan.

mudskipper on February 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Drip ,Drip , Drip ….
Works for me .
Can’t believe Juan and Gramnisty
would vote for this incompetent drip .
Tells me more about those two jerks
than I ever wanted to hear .
Comity my a$$ .

Lucano on February 19, 2013 at 3:52 PM

If Hagel were to participate in a re-enactment of Auschwitz taking the role of an SS-Unterscharführer; it would not cause one Democrat Senator to vote against him, and in fact would enhance his credibility with them. They have been ordered to vote for him in lockstep, and if the Führerprinzip still holds anywhere in the world; it is in the Democratic Party.

And the Institutional Republicans would still cave on him.

Subotai Bahadur on February 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Hagel,

Propaghandist me thinks!!

canopfor on February 19, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Actually defending us is not a serious priority of Obama and Democratic Senators, nor even of certain Republican Senators.

drunyan8315 on February 19, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I wish Bibi’s govt would rescind Obama’s travel plans to Israel. Alas, that won’t happen. Come on Shomer Schumer, repent and state that you refuse to vote for this man.

Lance Murdock on February 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Hey hey ho,its time for Hagel to Go!!!

canopfor on February 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

If your goal is to desroy America than putting such a nutcase in the highest intenational positons is a sure way to accomplish that.
BTW, isn’t it time to put to bed Obama’s lie #247 that he will make the world like us again?

Don L on February 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……

I hear the Drums beating in the
Political Jungle,….

….Boom Boom Boomditty Boom Boom BoomDitty BommDitty Boom!

Translation:

Hopey says go BOINK yourself!

Well,I never………………………

(snark)

canopfor on February 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

he’s a Republican stamp of approval on defense cuts.

Who doesn’t know that? Of course he is a CYA for the destruction of the military – after all “how can the Republicans blame BO when the cuts were all blessed by a GOP Sec of Def

katiejane on February 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I am sorry to be superficial..but good god, Hagel looks like a cross between a wet puppy dog and an old man fresh off bender.

Edith Stifle on February 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM

He can go to Hades, or to the U.N., as he likes it.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2013 at 4:15 PM

…go ahead and confirm him you stupid sh!t senile senators!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Looks like a run of the mill doper Democrat to me.

He and Bill Clinton look to have had the same mom and dad.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Senator Richard Blumenthal.
Senator Barbara Boxer.
Senator Dianne Feinstein.
Senator Al Franken.
Senator Frank Lautenberg.
Senator Carl Levin.
Senator Bermie Sanders.
Senator Chuck Schumer.
Senator Ron Wyden.

“There is no one righteous, not even one … “

RedPepper on February 19, 2013 at 4:31 PM

He said that he [thought] that Netanyahu was a radical and that even [former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi] Livni, who was hard nosed thought he was too radical and so wouldn’t join in a coalition [government] with him

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/former-israeli-fm-livni-first-to-join-netanyahus-new-coalition-will-lead-peace-efforts/2013/02/19/732c0c64-7ab9-11e2-9c27-fdd594ea6286_story.html

JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday added his first coalition partner as he works to build a new government, agreeing to bring in a dovish rival to oversee contacts with the Palestinians in what could signal a new approach to peacemaking by the hardline leader.

Under the deal, former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni will serve as justice minister in the next Israeli government, in charge of peace efforts with the Palestinians.

Another American “expert”.

And “hard nosed” is a dog whistle…..

Ben Hur on February 19, 2013 at 4:35 PM

The Story of Louis Ferretkhan starring Chuck “No bagel” Hagel in blackface. No acting lessons necessary.

rik on February 19, 2013 at 4:36 PM

He is. It is.

lostmotherland on February 19, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Maybe there is some merit in letting Obama have the guy, making a strong statement in the Senate about his utter incompetence, but taking the position that the President can have whoever he wants in his cabinet so long as the facts are all known.

And making the point that, if Hagel is incompetent, what does that make the man who appoints him?

[And a footnote, the Pentagon can probably handle Hagel for the rest of Big O's last - thank goodness - term - they've cracked tougher nuts than him.]

IndieDogg on February 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Democracy?

lostmotherland on February 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Percentage of Obama voters who believe Mitt Romney is a rich white dude who hates black, white, & brown people = 100%

Percentage of Obama voters who have ever heard of a Secretary of Defense or a Chuck Hagel = <1%

drivingtheview on February 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Incompetence…par for this administration

cmsinaz on February 19, 2013 at 3:40 PM

cmsinaz:Exactly CMS:)

canopfor on February 19, 2013 at 4:42 PM

RedPepper on February 19, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Only JEWISH senators???

aunursa on February 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM

From The Canadian Jewish News:

Jewish groups ask for further review of Hagel before confirmation
Jacob Kamaras/JNS.org, Tuesday, February 19, 2013
*************************************************

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?q=node/102573

canopfor on February 19, 2013 at 4:47 PM

In the meanwhile, consider this.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Only JEWISH senators???

aunursa on February 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Currently serving Democrat Jewish senators, to be more precise …
not one of whom will likely oppose the Hagel nomination.

Which is not to excuse the other members of the Senate …

If I forget thee, O Jerusaem, let my right hand foret her cunning.
If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

~~ Psalms 137

RedPepper on February 19, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Sorry for the typos. PIMF.

RedPepper on February 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM

The liberals do every conservative event with videocams. When is our side going to learn?

unclesmrgol on February 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM

—— this passage from Nuremberg Diary by G.M. Gilbert, the American prison psychologist at Nuremberg who wrote the following as part of his account of an interview he did (one of many) with Hermann Goering on April 18, 1946, in Goering’s cell (pp. 278-79):

We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.

“Why, of course, the people don’t want war,” Goering shrugged. “Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.”

“There is one difference,” I pointed out. “In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare war.”

“Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

yep

roflmmfao

donabernathy on February 19, 2013 at 5:18 PM

If Hagel gets to be Secretary of Defense, I just don’t know what I will do. What can one do? The man is grossly unqualified to be the Secretary of Defense in these dangerous times.

SC.Charlie on February 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Democracy?

lostmotherland on February 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM

You’re a tad confused. It is the Arabs who like to commit suicide – not the Jews.

OldEnglish on February 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Resume enhancement this late in the game?

ButterflyDragon on February 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Jugears wants this fool in there so that the F-16s will be given to the Muslim Brotherhood by a GOP.

platypus on February 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM

SecDef can’t do that.

ladyingray on February 19, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Meanwhile the RINO version of Batman and Robin continue their dog and pony show, trying to convince conservatives they don’t want the “unqualified” Hagel,while refusing to do the one thing necessary to stop him,filibuster him until he withdraws his name.This is all designed to give cover to Lindsey Grahamnesty in his re-election race in 2014.The guy will parade all over South Carolina touting his non-existent conservative credentials byboasting about his role in trying to stop Hagel, and how hawkish he was on Benghazi.What BS-he voted to confirm the traitorous Kerry,gave Clinton a pass on Benghazi, and with a wink and a nod will allow the nomination of the pro- Hagel.

redware on February 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM

lostmotherland on February 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Go to hell you single digit IQ reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on February 20, 2013 at 8:44 AM