Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

The leading Republican on the issue is Senator Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and his office told reporters today that they’ve had no consultation with the White House on the issue of immigration.

“President Obama and the White House staff are not working with Republicans on immigration reform,” Rubio spokesman Alex Conant said in an email to reporters. “Senator Rubio’s office has never discussed immigration policy with anyone in the White House.”

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney disputed that. “We have been in contact with everybody involved in this effort on Capitol Hill,” he said.

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A lot of people are noticing that Marco Rubio’s immigration reform plan has a lot in common with President Obama’s immigration reform plan, which Rubio denounced as “half-baked.” This is not good for Rubio, who is almost certainly running for president in 2016 (if you need further evidence, check out the tour of the Middle East he’s on right now) and would need to keep conservative voters happy to make it through the primary. So Rubio’s office is insisting the two plans are not alike at all — and their offices haven’t even spoken.

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President Obama did some political outreach Tuesday, phoning key Republican senators on immigration.

Obama spoke with a former GOP presidential candidate — Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — and perhaps a future one, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-S.C.

“The President reiterated that he remains supportive of the effort underway in Congress, and that he hopes that they can produce a bill as soon as possible that reflects shared core principles on reform,” said a White House statement…

Rubio spokesman Alex Conant said the senator “appreciated receiving President Obama’s phone call to discuss immigration reform late tonight in Jerusalem. The Senator told the President that he feels good about the ongoing negotiations in the Senate, and is hopeful the final product is something that can pass the Senate with strong bipartisan support.”

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A draft of the White House immigration bill was leaked over the weekend, detailing a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants that would take about 13 years after the passage of the bill to complete, policy experts say…

Overall, the draft bill’s path to legalization is essentially in line with the proposal by the Senate’s bipartisan Gang of Eight, with one big exception. The Senate plan makes legalization contingent on “securing the border” according to benchmarks that have yet to be laid out in detail. President Obama has refused such requirements.

That conflict over border security has been a sore spot for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who blasted the White House draft bill over the weekend as “half baked.” But policy experts and advocates believe that Obama and the Senate gang are far closer than the rhetoric suggests. “I don’t think fundamentally there is that much difference among these proposals,” says Chishti.

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Both Rubio and Obama, for instance, support special pathways to residency for those students and soldiers who were brought illegally to this country as children. In the White House draft legislation, the proposal closely resembles what’s known as the DREAM Act…

Also the [White House] draft bills obtained by The Herald and USA Today show that, contrary to Rubio’s concern, the plan wouldn’t give illegal immigrants a chance to obtain citizenship before those who lawfully entered the country…

Aside from the emphasis on border security, there appears to be relatively little in the White House draft proposals that conflicts with what Rubio wants…

U.S. Rep. Joe Garcia, a Democrat from Miami, said the president’s proposal is “a good place to start. It encompasses everything Rubio’s talking about. Except it has Obama’s name on it.”

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Not wanting to be seen as a shill for a Democratic President’s signature achievement, Rubio’s strategy from the start has been to play up his differences with the White House as much as possible. This weekend’s outburst was only the latest incident: in interviews with the Wall Street Journal, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and other conservative thought leaders, Rubio has positioned himself as the right-wing antidote to a far-left White House on immigration.

This touring indignation act isn’t just for Rubio’s own benefit. The Republicans he needs to win over to pass a bill will be a lot more comfortable if they think they’re somehow thumbing their nose at Obama by voting for it. We’ve seen this dynamic on other issues in recent weeks, most notably the debt ceiling, where conservative Republicans delivered a lot of macho partisan talk about a bill that was objectively a huge cave to the White House. If a compromise bill ends up passing, expect to see a lot of statements from Republicans supporters about how they stopped some non-existent White House “amnesty” bill.

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“An Obama plan, led and driven by Obama in this atmosphere, with the level of hostility toward the president and the way he goads the hostility, I think it is very hard to imagine that bill, that his bill is going to pass the House,” Gingrich said. But he added that a bill originating in the Senate “could actually get to the president’s desk.”

I believe Gingrich is right. Republican members of Congress have shown a willingness, even an eagerness, to vote against measures that they themselves have sponsored in the past — if Obama is now proposing them.

So if the president really wants immigration reform to pass, one of the most helpful things he could do is put out his own plan as a decoy, to draw Republican fire, while the Senate works toward bipartisan consensus. Which looks suspiciously like what just happened.

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The “backup plan” stuff is nonsense — the point of leaking the [White House] bill is to enable Rubio to say that his amnesty plan is waaay different from the dastardly Obama plan, even though they’re identical in the only respect that matters: amnesty immediately for all illegal aliens, with work cards, Social Security numbers, driver’s licenses, the right to travel abroad and return, etc. The president has repeatedly said he wants to stand back and let Congress come up with a bill because if he were to send one to Congress it would be toxic for Republicans — i.e., those Republicans who desperately want to sell out their constituents by backing amnesty but are afraid of the voter backlash. The Rubio and Ryan criticisms of the proposed bill sound almost as though they were scripted by Schumer and White House to make the Senate Gang of Eight scheme seem more palatable to such Republicans…

This whole gambit is so transparent even Talking Points Memo is commenting on it. Immigration hawks would do well not to get sucked into this phony controversy. Obama’s bill is Rubio’s bill.

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The only real difference between Obama and Rubio appears to be whether or not a border security “trigger” should be met before those here illegally now could become citizens. But even this is not that big a deal. White House spokesman Josh Earnest has already admitted that while Obama does not prefer a trigger, he will sign a bill that contains one.

And Obama’s willingness to include a trigger is not surprising, considering how utterly worthless any such measure would be. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., conceded as much last week when he told Univision that the satisfaction of any trigger requirement would ultimately be up to whoever was Department of Homeland Security Secretary at the time. And how secure does Secretary Janet Napolitano think our border is now? “Our borders have, in fact, never been stronger,” she testified to Congress last week.

Either Rubio is trying to lay the groundwork for pulling out of the Gang of Ocho immigration group, or amnesty is already a done deal.

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I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it’s hard not to see at least a shadow of a good-cop/bad-cop routine in the reaction of the Gang of Eight to President Obama’s leaked blueprint for “comprehensive immigration reform.” Obama’s plan differs in largely trivial ways from the gang of Eight’s proposal — it would allow illegal immigrants to apply for permanent-residence status after eight years on probationary status, whereas the Gang of Eight’s proposal makes the transition from probationary status to permanent-residence status conditional on a yet-to-be-named commission certifying that the border is secure. That distinction is all but irrelevant in the practical realm. Both proposals send the message to intending illegal aliens that the U.S. is still doling out amnesties — and the most important amnesty is the immediate probationary status in both plans that immunizes illegal aliens already here from enforcement (and that grants them legal presence inside the country ahead of intending legal immigrants still waiting outside the country for permission to enter). The chance that under either the Gang of Eight or Obama’s plan an illegal alien on probationary status will lose that status, short of committing a heinous crime, is zero. However much it might hurt Americans’ feelings, American citizenship is not a high priority for Hispanic immigrants, legal and illegal, who have historically had a very low rate of naturalization. Only Proposition 187 in California increased Hispanics’ naturalization rate. And the difference between probationary status and permanent residency under the Gang of Eight’s proposal does not appear to be particularly significant, either…

The other important message that both plans send out is to illegal-alien advocates in the U.S.: protest works. Since the 2006 spring amnesty protests, the delegitimizing of enforcement has only gathered steam. Do not expect enforcement to become relegitimized after the next amnesty; rather, it will become even more stigmatized as unfair to its targets and a separator of families.

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Bmore on February 20, 2013 at 2:05 AM

No, it’s fine, what did you see? I’m an amateur.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Nite, B. Sleep well.

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:10 AM

I played this here a long time ago, but it is one of my fav songs from Anouk, a dutch singer… hope you like it!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:02 AM

I’ve hear her before, but not that particular song.
Fantastic!

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:10 AM

Fred

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Lol! You are doing a bang up job Fred! Good Night. ; )

Bmore on February 20, 2013 at 2:10 AM

No, it’s fine, what did you see? I’m an amateur.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Did you intend it to read it it?

Bmore on February 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Goodnight, B. Sweet dreams. And prayers that tomorrow goes smoother than anticipated. :)

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Chrissy poems are the best.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:13 AM

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Good evening..I hope you and yours are having “blue skies”..:)

PS..CSN did have great harmony..:)

Dire Straits on February 20, 2013 at 2:13 AM

What does lonely mean to you
Waiting, wanting what is through?
Is it that you’re all alone
Or could it be you’ve never known
What it it
to miss someone
Or feel the loss when love is done?
There lies yet a hope for you
A hope for me in joy made new
For if you’ll but take a chance
We may find endless romance
And if lonely remains for you
Whisper just what I must do
Ill be near to comfort you
And wake before the morning dew
To lift you up and hold you here
Till loneliness will disappear

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Bmore on February 20, 2013 at 2:13 AM

nite b

vaya con dios

Fred

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 2:14 AM

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Oh, how exciting for you, Fred! Hope you are able to head to your home sweet home tomorrow.

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:15 AM

Nope, oops

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:15 AM

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

Thumbs up..Both of them!!..A definite treasure..:)

Dire Straits on February 20, 2013 at 2:15 AM

Well now I screwed that up royally. Let me try again, iPad thingy.

What does lonely mean to you
Waiting, wanting what is through?
Is it that you’re all alone
Or could it be you’ve never known
What it it to miss someone
Or feel the loss when love is done?
There lies yet a hope for you
A hope for me in joy made new
For if you’ll but take a chance
We may find endless romance
And if lonely remains for you
Whisper just what I must do
Ill be near to comfort you
And wake before the morning dew
To lift you up and hold you here
Till loneliness will disappear

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Boy, for some reason the iPad thingy didn’t like isolating that. Weird.

Bmore on February 20, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Good evening..I hope you and yours are having “blue skies”..:)

PS..CSN did have great harmony..:)

Dire Straits on February 20, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Hello, friend. All is well with me and mine. Hope the same is true for you.

Great song. Just one of several of their songs that resides on my iPod. :)

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:17 AM

*lighting up a cig*

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Crap, on top of it all I forgot to quote. Lol! I’m gone!

Good Night All, Again ; )

Bmore on February 20, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Good evening everyone.

Any long time HA’ians out here? 4 years and above?

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:04 AM

I registered late 2008, though my posting has been pretty sporadic.

RINO in Name Only on February 20, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Chrissy left.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:20 AM

I haven’t played all the CSN/CSNY links upthread, so forgive me if this one has already been played.

CATHEDRAL

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:22 AM

RINO Does HA have any sort of official summit, conference or meeting? Perhaps once in 2 years, or once in 4? Sure would like to meet a few HotGassers. :-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:22 AM

What is life without love
From here below or from above

How quickly we lose sight
Of its power and its might

Love is said to conquer all
So many times tho we fall

We fail to see the wonder
So oft we just ponder

Is it for real can it be
Is it meant for you and me

Will love last a lifetime
‘Tis a mountain steep to climb

We all question it’s worth
From loves inception to birth

We all seek happiness ’tis true
Will love give that to me and you?

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Bmore on February 20, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Goodnight, for realz, B. ;)

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:23 AM

I got busy writing I have missed much!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM

No she didn’t, love it!

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM

No. Chrissy is here. Just teaching someone comprehension. Shes distracted. Thats all. :-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM

RINO in Name Only on February 20, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Nice to see you!

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM

Oh, and goodnight Bmore, if you haven’t left.

RINO in Name Only on February 20, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Chrissy left.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:20 AM

I would not go without saying good night, or I lose my ‘net!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Amazing poem, Chrissy. (Hugs)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:26 AM

I love poems

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:27 AM

Amazing poem, Chrissy. (Hugs)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:26 AM

Thank you Tommy! {hugs}…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:28 AM

We should combine all of our poems and get published.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:28 AM

We should combine all of our poems and get published.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:28 AM

Go for it! That would be kewl.

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:30 AM

Scrumpy/Rusty ’16. The Poet Politicians. Drawing regular folk in a new way. :-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM

The hotair poetry club.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM

Thumbs up..Both of them!!..A definite treasure..:)

Dire Straits on February 20, 2013 at 2:15 AM

I had to go all the way back there to see what you were talking about!

Lol… in my book PF is the best band ever! Closely followed by LZ!

Joe Bonamassa, oh so many…

Music is the one thing that keeps me sane!!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM

Likewise!

No. Chrissy is here. Just teaching someone comprehension. Shes distracted. Thats all. :-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM

I’m somewhat curious who or what Chrissy is. I can’t decide whether I should ask you all, or try to have fun figuring it out myself.

RINO in Name Only on February 20, 2013 at 2:33 AM

Scrumpy/Rusty ’16. The Poet Politicians. Drawing regular folk in a new way. :-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Lolz. The Poetry Party.
Great idea, tommy. Nice slogan, too. ;)

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:33 AM

I have thought about it, but perhaps we should collaborate and get us a blog and just write poems?!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:33 AM

I’ll be her veep any day.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:33 AM

I just reread the poem. Very deep and intense. Thats why I’m a sucka for Chrissy’s poems. :-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:35 AM

I have looked for uncomplicated blogs but haven’t found any that suit me… Tho is it Press somthing, that looks ok, has generic layouts etc…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:35 AM

http://youtu.be/uY8EwM3vah8

Chrissy, Rusty: very good. can you do haiku? here is mine per tonight’s apparent theme i.e. love stories.

when the sun rises
and i feel your silken hair
you will know i’m there

and oh by the way after mucho whiskey
I have become comfortably numb

Fred

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Music is the one thing that keeps me sane!!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM

Amen. I couldn’t survive without it. All kinds. Well, make that MOST all kinds.

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:36 AM

when the sun rises
and i feel your silken hair
you will know i’m there

Fred, I love to read Haiku

Yours is beautiful!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:38 AM

RiNO You haven’t replied to my query. And yeah, have fun figuring out who Chrissy is.

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:39 AM

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Rap is about the only kind I have no love for…

Total rocker me ;-)… with lots of other genres thrown in!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:39 AM

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Bravissimo, Fred!!

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:39 AM

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:39 AM

She let it slip ;-(

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:40 AM

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM

ditto +infinity

Fred

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 2:40 AM

Rap is about the only kind I have no love for…

Total rocker me ;-)… with lots of other genres thrown in!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:39 AM

Exactly!

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Hungry…..

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:42 AM

RINO Does HA have any sort of official summit, conference or meeting? Perhaps once in 2 years, or once in 4? Sure would like to meet a few HotGassers. :-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:22 AM

Sorry, don’t know how I missed this earlier. There isn’t any kind of regular meeting that I’m aware of. It would be hard to do, with AP being anonymous. Although he could just wear a mask and use one of those voice altering thingies.

RINO in Name Only on February 20, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Hungry…..

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Well now take a few moments and fix a sammich!!

I am gonna make me another tea!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:43 AM

Are we like insomniacs or somthing?

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Although he could just wear a mask and use one of those voice altering thingies.

RINO in Name Only on February 20, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Or just keep changing his nametag. Bluegill for the first half hour, libree the next. Maybe even Bishop for a few minutes. :D

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:46 AM

Really? AP hasn’t been outed as yet? Thats hard to believe. Most of the anonymous political blogs have been outed. And HA is HUGE compared to them. Interesting…….

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:47 AM

http://youtu.be/oADN1q_mgeg

hope springs eternal or so someone said a long time ago.
sorry I just can’t help it.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 2:47 AM

tommy71, I think some of the commenters who went to the Glenn Beck D.C. event a few years back got together there. Ask Cindy when she’s around because I believe she went.

* * * * *

I have an unrelated question. I was at Breitbart and noticed at the very bottom of the page From Our Partners and a listing of headlines from FOX News.

What’s up? Do they now have some sort of legal relationship? Was Breitbart sold?

INC on February 20, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Very late.

Goodnight, Scrumpy, RINO INO, tommy, Fred, Rusty, Dire (I know you’re there-somewhere)!

God bless and have a great Wednesday!

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:49 AM

@Scrumpy The Poet Insomniacs. ;-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:50 AM

Night, 4Grace.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM

When I was new here, I believed that Bmore was Allah… :-)!

It had to do with him for the most being first on a new thread, it took me a while to twig it, but I observed the timing of new threads…and well the rest is history!

I had also tried to be last on threads and Bmore would be there posting not long after…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM

OH! A hello and goodnight to INC, too. :)

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM

4Grace on February 20, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Good night sweety!! God Bless!!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Nite Gracie, sleep well.

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Night 4Grace

RINO in Name Only on February 20, 2013 at 2:53 AM

INC on February 20, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Hmmmm, perhaps it’s for copyright rights to be able to post videos and news from fox? Hadn’t heard anything, but that’s what comes to mind…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:53 AM

Hey, 4Grace! Bye, 4Grace!

INC on February 20, 2013 at 2:54 AM

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Just keep playing ‘em Fred!! Never get tired of hearing their music!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:54 AM

Bad Cop, Worse Cop.

rayra on February 20, 2013 at 2:55 AM

Chrissy!

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:55 AM

@INC Thanks for the info.

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:55 AM

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Not to my knowledge… he is very secretive…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:56 AM

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 2:55 AM

Rusty! ;-)

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 2:57 AM

HA techs keep playing with the buttons. Sometimes its red, and sometimes not.

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:00 AM

Some tea please, Scrumpy. ;-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:01 AM

Dreamlit night
Twilight slumber
Shadows deep
Softest sound
Gentle breezes
Fleeting glimpses
Owl screeching
Ears opened
Heart pounding
Wind howling
Windows rattle
Skin prickled
Spine shivered
Frighted night
Touching darkness
Scream erupts
Feet running
Candles lighted
Much confusion
Must away
Find refuge
Church open
People praying
Feeling safer
Praising God
Night ended
Curses broken
Day returns
Sunlight cleanses

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:01 AM

Some tea please, Scrumpy. ;-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:01 AM

here you go Tommy! Do you like cream and sugar in yours?

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:03 AM

You’re amazing, you know?

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 3:03 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmm once again I tried to post a 2 word verse poem and HA won’t let me!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:04 AM

Yet I have posted others tonight. Very strange…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:05 AM

Yep, cream and sugar. :-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:05 AM

*Lights a cig*

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:06 AM

AP’s cat doesn’t like your 2 verse poems, Scrumpy. She eats it up. ;-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 3:03 AM

Moi?

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Yes. You.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Obviously not.

Might try adding an extra word! But that would spoil the flow…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

for chrissy

goodnight my lovely
until we share more time here
i wish you well dear

http://youtu.be/7HmC-RgTECE
freedom

adios: vaya con dios

Fred

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

You you, don’t you know that smoking is BAD for your health, young lady? ;-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

Ok been thinking, I think I’ll pick Paul/Walker and for the other side, hmmmm I don’t even know who might be in the running? Will have to see who they like…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:10 AM

jrsrigmvr on February 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

Good night Fred and God Bless!!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Paul/Walker. K. Done. Now you’re on my list. *evil laugh* ;-)

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:13 AM

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

Yes I do and I have cut back, but, for medical reasons and I know this sounds nutty, I have Lupus, and many lupus sufferers quit smoking only to get real sick… I also quit for 7 months, even with meds I felt a difference in pain levels, flare ups etc… so I do smoke in moderation, prolly 6 a day or so… and am not so afflicted…

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:16 AM

Let’s go outside and have a smoke, Chrissy.

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 3:18 AM

I’m sorry, dear. Didn’t mean to offend you. I was just kidding around. Yes, I remember your illness. And you told me that smoking helps. I remember that too. Sorry again.

tommy71 on February 20, 2013 at 3:18 AM

Fred

Thank you for the song!

See you later I am sure :-)

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:18 AM

Rusty Allen on February 20, 2013 at 3:18 AM

It’s cold outside!! lol…

I am gonna have to ventilate my place tomorrow I smoked about 4 tonight!! (Bad bad bad)!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:20 AM

Oh my almost 2.30 in the a.m. still not sleepy! Gonna have to make myself go to bed!

Scrumpy on February 20, 2013 at 3:22 AM

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