Rove: The GOP needs more Rand Pauls and fewer Christine O’Donnells
posted at 1:31 pm on February 18, 2013 by Erika Johnsen
Karl Rove has been taking a lot of heat over the past few weeks for his new I-swear-this-isn’t-about-smothering-the-Tea-Party PAC-extension, whose mission is to help nominate what they deem to be the most ‘electable’ candidates ahead of the 2014 midterms. Rove again appeared on Fox News on Sunday to defend his new operation’s agenda and try to quell the circulating fears about his suspiciously establishment-shaped ambitions:
Let’s be clear, we did spend $30 million on behalf of Tea Party candidates. … We were the largest outside group supporting Rand Paul. … No, some people associated with the Tea Party — look, Todd Akin was not a Tea Party candidate. … Our object is to avoid having stupid candidates who can’t win general elections, who are undisciplined, can’t raise money, aren’t putting together the support necessary to win the general election campaign — because this money is too difficult to raise to be spending it on the behalf of candidates who have little chance winning in the general election. … The more we examine the quality of these candidates from top to bottom, the more likely we end up with fewer Christine O’Donnells and more Rand Pauls.
In a nutshell, no, this isn’t about quashing the unruly Tea Party, it’s about the Conservative Victory Project playing self-styled Republican-party policeman by more thoroughly vetting potential candidates in the first place.
To which Bob Woodward rejoined, “My last book is going to be called, ‘Some People Never Go Away,’ and Karl’s going to get his own chapter. … So you’re going to set yourself up as a kind of polling hero… The whole theory of Republicanism is to let the local, state, or district decide.” Heh.
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i tend to agree. while I would love to support a person with no flaws everyone has them. It is thier record and character that is the most important to me. While Mitt was probably a better character of a man Newt had the better accomplihments. I wasn’t a big Newt supporter but he wouold have been 100 times better than Mitt as a candidate.
unseen on February 18, 2013 at 2:44 PM
Can you say “Etch-a-Sketch,” “if people had been in Massachusetts under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” “47 percent” and “Macaca moment?”
In your mind, only conservative Republicans screw up. In reality, all candidates make mistakes (even your beloved RINOs).
Perhaps you are the one that just doesn’t get it.
bw222 on February 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM
You seem to forget other Tea Party endorsed candidates that won Mike Lee and Rand Paul who you mention but ignore his support.
You would be unable to name that many Senators that Rove got into office because all of his picks lost. Not a single one picked up a seat. Why would you support such a loser?
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Those terrible memes were spoken by a Republican of good standing of the GOP hierarchy. They don’t count.
portlandon on February 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM
Well, If i knew we are losing anyway i would have voted for Newt…..
OrthodoxJew on February 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM
This was said by an adviser, I doubt Akin would have lost if an adviser said what he said
But your point still stands, Berg & Rehnberg lost even though Romney won both states, but somehow the media only focuses on Akin & Murdoch
OrthodoxJew on February 18, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Ding! What a thread. Wow. Backbone..
There are about a dozen questions on this thread that are vital to the future of conservatism. Nice to see someone defend the real conservatives out there, even if I didn’t love every one.
The idea that every campaign makes mistakes and the comparison of Vice President Biden to Christine or any of the controversial tea party folks is a real stinger.
Fox should get Mr. Rove to come in for a good inquisition on his Mojo, his historical track record and most importantly, what really caused the “flakes” to lose.
Fox could get great ratings in an appropriate format of the internecine fray in the GOP.
IlikedAUH2O on February 18, 2013 at 2:58 PM
You are also forgetting a number of House and gubinatorial candidates (Susana Martinez, Nikki Haley and Mary Fallin come immediately to mind) that the Tea Party supported.
The Tea Party’s record in the past two elections than Karl Rove’s.
bw222 on February 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM
Romney also lost many States where Conservative Governors won.
Romney the RINO was the reason Obama won.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM
You fail to note any RINOs that won.
Your point?
Seems you agree Roves RINOS lose but Tea Party candidates win more often.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 3:01 PM
It’s not like Rove is wrong here in theory.
The problem, as always, is in execution.
The problem with political parties and political operatives is that they want to follow what they perceive as the easiest route to victory.
That means candidates without firm positions, who are “moderate” (even if from a deep red district/state), and who always work well with the party.
Given a choice between a very smart, very charismatic and very conservative candidate (again, even in a deep red district/state) and a “moderate”, go-along, get along candidate – the operatives and party will always prefer the latter as a safer bet and easier to control once in office.
So, people like Rove won’t always turn their nose up at a Rand Paul or Marco Rubio – but such candidates will never be their first choice.
This will always be the tension between the grass roots and the party establishment. Both in terms of candidates and in terms of policy. The establishment wants to follow the easiest path that makes the fewest waves to seek election/re-election. The grass-roots (conservatives) want to push conservative candidates and policy – which is always something of an uphill battle because of the culture and media.
It is helpful for the establishment to help vet conservative candidates to try and keep candidates like Akin from winning the primary, but they often go too far, fighting against perfectly reasonable candidates the base wants and/or pushing a moderate candidate where a solid conservative can win.
On the flip side, the base (conservatives) sometimes rally behind terrible candidates because of that candidates conservative message/credentials, without taking into account that candidate’s ability to win in the general election (O’Donnell, Angle).
but, hindsight is also 20/20. It is easy to say that the candidate was terrible, but perhaps the outcome would have been different in some of those elections if the establishment did not abandon the candidates.
Part of the problem we at the grass-roots level has is the perception that the establishment is very, very quick (almost eager) to pull the plug on our favored candidates at the first slight gaffe, which only works to stoke our anger at them.
It also doesn’t help that the GOP does such a terrible job fighting for conservative policy and/or opposing liberal policy. Which reinforces to those of us in the base that we need candidates wholly independent of the establishment.
there is a 2-way street here. Those in the “establishment” (by which I mean most of the incumbents and the operatives who work for the GOP and/or various campaigns or PACs) need to understand that it is a two way street.
yes, we in the base need more discipline in picking candidates sometimes. But, we are not going to trust the establishment in this regard until they show we are actually playing on the same team. “Electability” above all else is not worth anything. Conservatism that cannot be elected may be just as bad.
Monkeytoe on February 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Sorry bw222 did not read post properly.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Money.
idalily on February 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM
So, I thought Rand was the tea party guy, while the Odonnell was more social conservative.
Count to 10 on February 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM
The GOP needs to conduct media awareness training for all candidates from dog catcher to President, making them aware of the danger of dealing with the media and the importance of being prepared to answer “gotcha” questions on emotional issues like birth control and abortion.
bw222 on February 18, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Yes, but that works both ways. One of the problems is that typically, we end up with candidates who can win in Ohio running in Texas. In other words, we don’t run conservatives where conservatives can win. That is part of the frustration with the establishment and their choices of candidate.
Monkeytoe on February 18, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Great post.
Although I often wonder if the Establishment is actually working for the DNC. Not good when they endorse Democrats running for Senate like they did in Nevada and Deleware.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM
There is only one reason that Romney lost — Obama had a much better ground game. Romney was no RINO, no matter how much people hyperventilate about what he wasn’t able to prevent a super-super majority Democrat legislature from doing to liberal Massachusetts.
Count to 10 on February 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Absolutely. But the GOP itself can’t conduct it. I was thinking of a boot camp run by some former media-savvy Leftists like Horowitz. Have trial-by-fire simulations of hostile interviews and break down the strategies of the Left. There’s a desperate need.
rrpjr on February 18, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Roger Ailes and the rest of the FNC management hates conservatives as much as Karl Rove.
They are all about RINOs and neocons.
bw222 on February 18, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Only the Tea Party actually works for the best possible candidate. They endorsed Scott Brown a RINO he won in Mass. Then in 12 he refused their endorsement and lost.
When Tea Party or Conservatives lose it is because Establishment RINOS work against them most of the time. You never see that in the Democratic Party.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Karl Rove belongs to the discredited wing of the Republican party and as long as his face is associated with the GOP and that evil wing of Ayatollahs controls the party – AMERICANS WILL NOT VOTE THEM BACK INTO POWER.
You want power back GOP? You ditch Karl Rove and every bast@rd like him that ran this nation into the ground with the Dims.
HondaV65 on February 18, 2013 at 3:11 PM
Romney chose to rely on a top down computer program (ORCA) rather than trust the base.
When you can point out his conservative achievements then we might buy this garbage.
The Democrats made me do it isn’t a great defense when he would be dealing with the Democrats in Washington DC.
sharrukin on February 18, 2013 at 3:13 PM
The Left is unified in lock-step on every issue, all the time. The never break ranks and divide the party, and this is the primary reason why they have been winning. I’m a nobody, and Karl Rove is a ‘super genius’ but even I can see that this BS is the Repubs shooting ourselves in the foot.
Jackalope on February 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM
The establishment is DISCREDITED with the American people. Hell – they couldn’t even beat the worst president in U.S. history last November.
The establishment is like a love-struck teenager … who can’t understand why the girl of his dreams doesn’t love him …
IT’S BECAUSE SHE’S JUST NOT THAT INTO YOU DUDE!
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NOT “INTO” THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT. The GOP establishment are the people they identify the economic crash with – and rightfully so.
HondaV65 on February 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM
Right.
Romney is not at all to blame for alienating the base so they did not work on the ground for him. Romney was unable to organize on the ground because he stabbed the base in the back at the GOP convention and Tea Party would not work for him with any enthusiasm. Many would not work for him at all and many stayed home or left President blank.
Romney was 100% the problem. His son even said after the election he never wanted to win.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 3:15 PM
You mean won in 2012? There isn’t one
Romney was a problem, but the GOP brand was a bigger problem then Romney, Which is why Romney outperformed every senate candidate in swing states (with Heller as an exception in NV)
You can go ahead and blame Romney all you want, But the problem is much deeper then Romney,
That would help in a Akin case or Murdoch, but this doesn’t explain why every senate candidate in swing states got fewer votes then Romney, The media is our enemy, but the republican party is way behind in the technology game i think
OrthodoxJew on February 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM
Technically he is right, Rand is a better candidate than Christine was, but she won the primary. Rove’s inexcusable offense was attacking the winning Republican Party candidate AFTER the primary and handing the democratics the dirt on her on a Silver platter. All they had to do was cut his appearances on Fox News into a campaign ad.
slickwillie2001 on February 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM
I guess that super super majority stuck their super super hands up Romney’s behind and made super super liberal words come out of his mouth then, eh?
preallocated on February 18, 2013 at 3:24 PM
If Rove thinks he can put up a candidate that can survive the attack against Christine O’Donnell, I’ve got 2 words for him, Mitt Romney.
bflat879 on February 18, 2013 at 3:24 PM
128 not in left column yet. Not a hot pick?
Bmore on February 18, 2013 at 3:24 PM
Amen and + One Trillion.
Cindy Munford on February 18, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Meanwhile 274 clicks on my Little Lord Karl link.
Bmore on February 18, 2013 at 3:27 PM
It’s a fine line, isn’t it?
We like to think of the Tea Party as a true grassroots movement… and, in many ways it is. The spontaneous and local nature of Tea Party activities is unmistakable.
But… when it comes time to actually run and elect folks, the Tea Party is anything but Local.
The money and support that propelled all of the Tea Party candidates to success mostly came from outside of their own districts.
In truth, we have shifted the old addage. For our present society, “All Politics is National”.
So, it seems kind of silly to lambaste Rove for wanting to influence local elections from an Inside the Beltway, centralized power. If we are honest, even our Tea Party candidates are chosen and financed by people outside of the districts they are supposed to represent.
RightWay79 on February 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM
I agree about Christine O’Donnell. Let me add fewer Romneys and McCains too.
Tasha on February 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM
I’m not sure that is 100% accurate. I agree that the dems are much better at playing as a team, but I think there are some conservative/tea party candidates that lost without the establishment’s help.
the reason the dems are better at being unified is that they actually are unified. Even the most “moderate” acting dem is typically on-board for the leftist most cause or policy. So, the DNC doesn’t get that upset when an out and proud liberal wins a primary. The GOP, on the other hand, is not so united. I would guess that only about 30%, at best, of elected GOPers are truly conservative in the way we mean conservatism at places like Hot Air. the rest are maybe to the right on fiscal policy, but only really care about being re-elected.
The other big difference between the 2 parties reaction to a non-establishment approved candidate is that the DNC can count on the media helping to hide the out-and-proud liberal’s gaffes, statements, etc. In other words, the DNC doesn’t have to worry about any single candidate being hung around the necks of other candidates in an election. That is why the Shirley Jackson Lee’s and other far-left candidates can get away with acting like total idiots without it hurting the DNC. And why the DNC can allow people like Sharpton to be feted without worrying about any backlash.
It is also why most DNC scandals are short-lived and forgotten while GOP scandals linger.
Thus, the DNC does not have to worry as much about having one or two (or more) off-script candidates showing their true far-left colors and/or making gaffes. It just does not have the same consequences to the DNC.
The GOP / conservatives don’t have that luxury. Every mis-step by a republican is going to be scrutinized by the media and every other republican is going to have to answer for it.
it is not fair or just, but it is the world we live in.
So, I understand some peoples’ (like Rove) worry that the base will select difficult to elect candidates as their candidate. It is not an invalid concern and it can have more consequence than just one race.
Monkeytoe on February 18, 2013 at 3:33 PM
It’s WHO he is supporting that is the problem.
sharrukin on February 18, 2013 at 3:34 PM
I had a two hour and twenty minute drive with a far right friend just after I finished Karl Rove’s book. Before last November.
He listened and then left me looking like the prisoners in Zero Dark Thirty with his withering attacks on both 41 and 43, Governor Romney, Rove and Joe Scarborough.
He predicted that Mitt wasn’t sh-t and that the election was the Dems to lose despite the talk from Dick Morris.
He said that the R’s never make their case because they don’t believe in the conservative one or just stone don’t have one in mind. He thought Rove would make a good bookkeeper somewhere. He thought Newt would be better since he could at least talk a good game. The R’s had no gizzards.
IlikedAUH2O on February 18, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Rand Paul is the problem?
RightWay79 on February 18, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Rand Paul is a useful check as a Senator, especially on foreign policy and civil liberties. I don’t think that he has huge liabilities as a potential Presidential nominee, so I think that there are going to be some establishment Rs who will become nervous if he gains traction.
Illinidiva on February 18, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Basic law of human nature says you can’t treat people poorly or indifferently and expect enthusiastic response. In the political world, this would mean passionate support for your cause. If you want to deny Romney’s weasely dealings with conservatives over the years, or his wholesale assault on conservatives in the primaries (the most despicable being his use of Leftist fearmongering against Gingrich over the Social Security issue in Florida), go ahead. But these things leave a mark. RINOs never seem to understand this. Or don’t care, because they hold nearly the same contempt for conservatives as the Leftists do, only secretly. What RINOs also don’t understand is that you can’t scold or morally reprove people into supporting you based on the rationale that they have nowhere else to go. It burns through the capital of good faith very quickly. And now there is no more good faith left.
If the RINOs succeed in regurgitating up another RINO in 2016, even fewer conservatives will show up.
The next four years are going to be a spectacular illustration of RINO contempt. Watch for this: the Establishment re-directing their sublimated frustration at being treated like dirt by the Left (which they would never openly express out of fear) at the Tea Party and conservatives. Watch for the GOPe to more openly use Leftist tactics aginst us (ones they probably can’t even consciously name and would NEVER use back at the Left).
rrpjr on February 18, 2013 at 3:37 PM
BTW, the left doesn’t want anyone to spend money on Zero Dark Thirty due to the support for some rough policy. So plan your movie going accordingly.
IlikedAUH2O on February 18, 2013 at 3:38 PM
The reality is that neither you nor I or anyone else who doesn’t personally know Romney knows what the man really believes. He has taken different positions and there is enough evidence out there to argue either way.
I don’t think anyone can argue (despite the DNC/Media claims) that Romney did not run on conservatism. He ran on the idea of being “competent” as a manager. He did not run on conservative principals. Yes, he gave a nod to conservative principals and threw out some policy ideas, etc. with some conservative stuff. But he did not run against big gov’t. He did not run on the idea of conservatism.
I agree that he did not lose because he is or was perceived as a “RINO”. He lost because he ran a lousy campaign with a lousy GOTV effort. Whether or not part of the lousy campaign was not pushing a conservative message we can’t know.
But, I said from the start, the problem with Romney always was that he was not running to win the election. He ran an entire campaign premised on the idea that if he just did not make a mistake, Obama would lose. He never was trying to win. He was trying to not make that one big gaffe. He thought that was all he had to do. He was wrong.
Monkeytoe on February 18, 2013 at 3:41 PM
sharrukin on February 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM
We need more Rand Pauls and less Karl Roves.
It is good to see Kaaaarl sweat in this segment.
He should have gone the way of dickmorris.com.
Can Kyaaarl redeem himself this time around? How many spins is he gonna get at THE.WHEEL.OF.FORTUUUUNE?
Sherman1864 on February 18, 2013 at 3:43 PM
What a stupid meaningless statement. Restrict it to swing states where almost none qualify then say it means something. Hey Scott won WI big Romney lost it big. Explain that.
Plenty of Governors won States Romney lost both are state wide elections. Explain that.
Yes the media is just the propaganda machine for the DNC. There is nothing we can do to change that at least any plan would take decades. Their plan to get here took over 100 years. Rolling it back will take a lot of time too.
Every State prety sure Cruz got more votes than Romney.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 3:45 PM
So, Santorum would have won? 50 state lost with any of the ‘potential 2012 candidates’, other than Romney
Redford on February 18, 2013 at 3:47 PM
If you have been around long enough here, you know we can turn any thread into a Sarah Palin thread, LOL Just wait and watch.
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM
Yes, well put. I’d add that this reflects something deeper about fear and the nature of the modern Republican. Or, the RINO. Romney ran a campaign that was an exemplification not just of the RINO mind but the mindset of the intimidated cultural captives of the Left. RINO is an easy catch-all for this. Maybe we need another term.
rrpjr on February 18, 2013 at 3:50 PM
You’re missing one major point in your question/argument, Santorum isn’t a conservative.
Tater Salad on February 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM
….actually he didn’t, Romney got more votes in Texas than Cruz. Not sure it means anything, but your supposition is wrong.
Tater Salad on February 18, 2013 at 3:56 PM
What Rove is afraid of is the Conservatives and the Tea Party.
In a nutshell, Rove are for Big Government; Establishment Republicans.
The Conservatives and Tea Party is for smaller Government.
Besides that Rove is a liar and a back stabber and works behind the scenes. Just like he was up at the House this past week giving the Leaders and Staffers their marching (messaging) orders.
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Here is a conundrum to ponder. Crist is a cynical careerist, but who would have thought that an ex-state legislator in his late 30s would have turned out to be Reagan 2.0. It was just as likely that Rubio could have had an Akin moment himself and cost the Republicans that seat.
And you think that Palin is?
And I think that Rubio is very much the preferred choice of the Washington Republican Establishment. He has quite a few positives going for him. Jeb has been told in no uncertain terms that Rubio is a much better candidate than he is. It seems that those two have broken up based on the tea leaves I’m sensing. Rubio mentioned in the Time Savior piece that he didn’t discuss immigration reform with Bush before he launched it. Odd.. since that is Jeb’s thing.
Illinidiva on February 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Indeed. We won enough Governors that had we had those and a few other States Romney won but the Repub Gov lost we would have won.
A conservative message would have energized the base. Many Tea Party giants would have spoke at the convention and those stupid rules would have had no chance of passing. The base would have had a terrific ground game and Obama would have lost by a decent percentage.
As it was it was Obama or Obama lite. No real difference at the end. Furthermore as his son said Romney never wanted to win.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Your definition of ‘conservative’. Reagan? He would be a raging liberal loon today…worse than Obama
Redford on February 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Ah Ha…. and there is the rub.
As Conservatives, we don’t even know what we believe.
There are too many different types and factions within Conservatism for us to ever be nationally successful in the near future.
Especially when this type of Conservative hates this other type of Conservative, etc.
That seems to be what people are saying Rove is doing (being more anti-Tea Party than anti-Liberal).
But, every single group within Conservatism does the same thing.
RightWay79 on February 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM
So one of the guys who actually rolled back government with welfare reform isn’t a conservative, but the crowd who keep voting for nothing but government expansion are?
sharrukin on February 18, 2013 at 4:00 PM
Most likely due to the big money people that fund Rove, et al for policy making favors they want in return. The Establishment Republicans will give and have given them what they buy.
Corruption in other words, i.e. Boomtown.
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM
Where do you get this nonsense?
sharrukin on February 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM
Quite true Santorum is not a Conservative he is part RINO and part Conservative. He is socially conservative but RINO on many of the other issues. For example he likes pork. But the base loved him. The ground game would have been great and the base would have come out to vote instead of staying home like they did or voting just not for Romney.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 4:02 PM
My point exactly! I always seem to be lectured by so-called conservatives, yet many of those same people where so against Romney they chose to support Santorum; a guy who voted to protect unions, expand government intrusion into personal lives, and play favorites with the tax code.
Tater Salad on February 18, 2013 at 4:02 PM
Yes. I agree completely. And if they get them will you support them Rove, or will you tear them down to make way for more Castles and Crists?
DrAllecon on February 18, 2013 at 4:05 PM
That’s just a sad statement if people who claim to be conservative Republicans stayed home. I can’t prove it, but my gut tells me we are having to endure Obama’s second term because there were many who stayed home for religious reasons. If that is the case, then I have no use for any opinion from those folks. I hope they get what they deserve.
Tater Salad on February 18, 2013 at 4:06 PM
The GOP needs zero Karl Roves. Less, if that’s possible.
VorDaj on February 18, 2013 at 4:07 PM
You can bet that what he mispoke about wasn’t out of his mouth and Rove was attacking him. Someone needs to ask House Speaker wannabe Eric Cantor what he did to re-elect Lugar and trash Mourdock.
Cantor and Rove work for the same objective. Elect Elite R’s.
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM
First, did Rove support Rand Paul in the Kentucky primary? I don’t think so.
Second, this is the same guy that I saw with my own eyes “ATTACK” and try to “DESTROY” Chistine Odonnell. This alone makes his comments totally untrustworthy.
Thirdly, he did spend a bunch of money late on Sharon Angle. However do we know he was really trying to help her or hurt her with that money? She lost a late lead with one ad in particular that hurt her. She also got bad advice to not talk with the press late. She had a horrible late campaign. How much of that was Karl Rove’s doing?
And as others have said, there are tons of examples of RINO’s losing lately. Connie Mack got killed. Dino Rossi got beat THREE times in a row. Etc.
Finally, I am still glad the most liberal Republican[Mike Castle] in the congress is not the Senator from Delaware.
KMav on February 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Rove won’t like this either…
http://conservatives4palin.com/2013/02/breaking-governor-palin-to-speak-at-cpac-2013.html
Palin 2016
ChuckTX on February 18, 2013 at 4:13 PM
This is the type of person we need more of in Washington:
http://conservatives4palin.com/2013/02/governor-palin-celebrate-presidents-serving-with-pure-motives.html
We need a TRUE Conservative to lead.
Palin 2016
ChuckTX on February 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM
That’s why imo they selected Romney to fail, in order to make way for Jeb. Rubio may be his pick of VP.
During the Primaries, Romney was all H*** Fire and Brimstone, but after he won the nomination, ashes.
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM
Palin’s sending the right message, unlike Rove who’s trying to defend his establishment cred.
“We are a country going bankrupt to fund a bloated, distant, and often corrupt federal government led by venal politicians more concerned with paying off their campaign cronies and consolidating their own power than in preserving the constitutional republic that so many have fought and died for.”
– Sarah Palin
idesign on February 18, 2013 at 4:15 PM
To those on here who believe Newt would have been a better candidate, let me interject some facts. Newt actually helped Romney in the primary but hurt him in the general. How? Newt attacked Romney’s connection to Bain Capital and used class warfare during the primaries. Then when Newt had no chance, he stayed in the race and took just enough votes to keep Santorum from winning several key states. So, he helped the Dems to establish a story line against Romney and at the same time, guaranteed his nomination. And what has Newt done since the election? Well, he has reverted to form and said the GOP should cave on tax increases and on the debt ceiling.
Newt and Rove are two sides of the same worn out coin. Or to put it a different way, I am sure several chapters in Woodward’s book could be devoted to Newt.
fight like a girl on February 18, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Ditto!
fight like a girl on February 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM
Today we must all be aware that political protocol takes precedence over constitutional procedure. However you say – WHAT THE – what does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must once again realize that the great reconquesta story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio… indicating that only a bilingual hombre can receive…the award for reconquesta, unlike Kenyan Hussein Obama whose reconquesta plans don’t hold water.
Amigos – friends, we are gathered here not only to accept in behalf of one man without any borders – one who has found that the world in itself which seems to be a time of the toad. This in itself is an edifice of the great glory that has gone beyond, and the intuitive feeling of the American people, based on the assumption that the intelligence not only as Mencken once said, “He who underestimates the American voter will not go broke.” This is merely a small indication of this vast throng gathered here to once again behold and to perceive that which has gone into the behind and to that which might go forward into the future…we’ve got to hurdle these borders. This is the main deterrent upon which we have gathered our strength and all the others who say, “What the hell did that get?” – We don’t know.
And as Miller once said in one of his great novels- what did he … that language is only necessary when bilingual communication is endangered. And you sit there bewildered, and Pinter who went further said “It is not the lack of communication, but fear of communication.” That’s what the damn thing is that we fear – communication – especially all the Spanish communication that’s even on a box of Wheaties now. Damn it! But we have no paranoia, and through all this Karl Rove has attained, and has created for himself serenity, and it is only his insanity that has kept him alive in his senility.
Alright, moving right along here in my brief remarks. We speak of the organ…of the orgasm…Who the hell wrote this crap !!!??? And the bi-partisan panel has determined to give the prize to Marco Rubio for his EARNESTY’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTY’S RAINBOW is a token of this man’s genius…he told me so himself and repeatedly …that he could…in other words, have been more specific, but rather than allude to the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nation’s shallow first world existence. God damn! Ladies and Gentlemen. To the distinguished panel on the, on the dais, the time will come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can’t remember which, maybe it was both, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness as a First World country and becomes a majority Spanish speaking nation, then opium…will be the opiate…Ahh that’s not a bad idea… we are going to need that and plenty of it, especially if the booze runs out …
All right…However, I want to thank MS. JOHNSON, ERIKA JOHNSEN of the Hot Gas Press, who has made it possible for you people to be here this afternoon to enjoy the Reconquesta Citation – Marco Rubio’s . EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a political commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the DNC, the organization for the $1,000 in affirmative action scholarships they’ve given out…tonight they took in over $4,000,000 in contributions, but they do have expenses you know, and I think that I have another appointment.
I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, I want to thank Ms. Erika Johnsen who just ran through the auditorium pulling her hair out, and I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidente of Mexamerico and also Mr. Karl Rove acting Pope of the GOP and also Mr. Obama – acting King of the Unites States – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and thank you.
RasThavas on February 18, 2013 at 4:20 PM
My feeling as well… Thanks guys!!
Yeah.. Santorum is basically CHuckles without CHuckles’ charm and charisma.
Palin is so 2009. There are much, much more compelling figures in the Republican party.
Illinidiva on February 18, 2013 at 4:21 PM
The most conservative that could win ring any bells?
Compared to Romney Santorum was very conservative.
Do not give me that he had to be liberal crap either. Fact is he moved from Conservative Utah to run in Liberal Mass. Mitt was the most liberal Republican in the Party bar none. He was far to the left of even Huntsman. My goodness he was the father and inventor of Obama Care. We said Hell No to that in 2010 yet the Establishment gave it to us in the form of Romney Hell no just Hell no.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 4:24 PM
The TeaParty is laughing at Rove..:)
@DLoesch: Karl Rove Concedes To Tea Party, Finally Approves Of Rand Paul: http://t.co/DNkEGQTK
idesign on February 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM
Like Karl Rove? LOL
idesign on February 18, 2013 at 4:29 PM
You RINOs are so funny.
Palin draws huge crowds she is so 2012 as well.
You arogant RINOs have no problem endorsing Democrats when your RINO loses a Primary you even endorsed Harry Reid. Harry Reid have you no shame. Every single GOP figure endorsed Harry Reid.
Then you have the gull to complain we would not vote for Romney.
Wake up. Be thankful we did not endorse Obama after all that is what you do when your RINO loses. My RINO rep lost his Primary in 2006 he endorsed the Democrat who won but lost in 2008. Rove endorsed Chriss Coons an avowed Communist for Deleware in 2010 as did Castle who lost the primary.
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 4:30 PM
Correction
Steveangell on February 18, 2013 at 4:31 PM
No one died and made Rove the R dictator over the States and the American People and their vote!
Doesn’t he remind you of the one in D.C. now?
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Are you saying that the Voters in Ohio and Nevada like big government and higher taxes, but the Voters in Kentucky don’t?
In addition many Voters don’t want intrusive Government and other Voters do?
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:35 PM
The “establishment” likes to run statists (“moderates”) because they get a higher percentage of the electorate that turns out. They get pretty much everyone on the right that turns out and a little bit more of the middle than the conservative candidate. The problem is that people on the right and low information voters (particularly those that aren’t happen with the direction of the country) don’t really have a reason to turn out or if they do turn out to vote for such statist candidates.
These folk don’t seem to understand that a higher percentage of the electorate is not the same thing a higher percentage of what could have been the electorate. The electorate could be different based on who shows up, or the same people being more informed and/or having different/altered voting motivations.
So, you can have a Romney who gets 48% of the vote of his electorate (low conservative turn out, low wrong-direction turn out, and high uninformed voters – i.e., people thinking Obama is doing the best he could with the bad circumstances). Whereas a Cruz would get only 45% of the same electorate.
But, if you’d had a Cruz at the top of the ticket, he would have given conservatives and other disaffected voters more reason to show up and vote, and/or different reasons to vote, potentially resulting in a Cruz win with 51% of the vote. The statist supporters then look at that 51% and think – hey, Romney could have gotten 55% of that electorate and it wouldn’t have been close!
But, no. That’s not how it works. And I don’t know why they can’t figure that out.
besser tot als rot on February 18, 2013 at 4:36 PM
Hey Cantaloupe Head, Write this on your White Board “Up Yours!”
stormridercx4 on February 18, 2013 at 4:36 PM
That comment should be in Red Caps!!!!
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:38 PM
They both loved the state, state power, and statist “solutions.” Neither was ideal. Or even good.
besser tot als rot on February 18, 2013 at 4:39 PM
Hear, Hear!!!!
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:41 PM
I love that!! We have to find a political use for it. I only clicked once; well twice. Once up here and once downstairs:-)
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:45 PM
I don’t think it’s where the funding comes from. It is whether the choice of a Candidate is a Conservative/Tea Party or Rove’s choice, which is an Establishment Big Government type.
Small Government vs Big Government
I agree with your point on the funding however:-)
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Karl “I want your money” Rove?
Nah, time for change.
can_con on February 18, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Apparently not often enough. You still don’t get it. Santorum siphoned votes because he at least didn’t disdain conservatism and conservatives and at least made an effort to confront the media and Left, however fitfully or ultimately ineffectually. Romney had no ability or interest in confronting ANYBODY on the Left over ANYTHING in his ENTIRE life. Just the candidate for 2012! We’ve been getting our teeth kicked in by the democrat-media complex and their character assassin minions and Romney couldn’t even read the conservative zeitgeist of exasperation and need? He expected diehard support because he represented a less awful alternative and because we had nowhere else to turn?
This man entered politics to satisfy his father’s vision for him, not because he had any natural affinity. In the end, that’s what we saw –an effete and middling politician whose own son said he “didn’t really want the presidency.”
rrpjr on February 18, 2013 at 4:51 PM
Two things,
#1 – Rove, thanks for what you once did now go away and don’t come back.
#2 – I and apparently several HArians haven’t watched Fox for the reasons ted c stated up thread, Rove & Morris. Say something doesn’t it.
D-fusit on February 18, 2013 at 4:54 PM
Common sense comments and observations. I agree with what you stated.
We’ll be watching and only the threat to their power will they back off.
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 4:56 PM
It’s almost as if he can’t figure out how to make money off of Tea Party and Conservative candidates… Hmmm.
Fallon on February 18, 2013 at 4:59 PM
Rove is more 2005.
The Savior is a much more compelling figure and speaker that Palin is.
Illinidiva on February 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM
Yes. See, CA and NY versus TX, for example. Some states/districts are more liberal than others. whoda thunk it?
Monkeytoe on February 18, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Not sure what your point is. Don’t think I ever implied that he was dictator.
Also not sure how your comment responds or refutes anything I said.
Rove and other establishment types will continue to do what they do, and the grass-roots will do what they do. Neither side will be right 100% of the time. Christine O’Donnell was not a good candidate. The establishment did not cause her problems or her loss. At the same time, the establishment screws up all the time as well – either picking bad candidates or backing a moderate in a district where a conservative can win.
So, again, Rove is not theoretically wrong here. it’s all in what his PAC actually does.
Monkeytoe on February 18, 2013 at 5:08 PM
omg, if there’s anyone on that panel who “won’t go away”, it’s bob woodward. incredible.
he made a stupid point, it’s not just money.
rove picked up on that, said, i agree, we can fix a lot of things that aren’t money, and then we’ll have the fix AND money.
did you see the look in woodward’s eyes?
utter malignancy.
Anil Petra on February 18, 2013 at 5:09 PM
We need all TeaParty or better and no cringing, compromising, pragmatist RINOs like Rove.
By better, I mean those who understand that there is no politics without morality, there is no capitalism without rational selfishness, there is no freedom without reason. Faith is out. The United States of America was founded on rational principles derived from man’s nature. The United States is not a Christian nation. There is no middle ground between reason and faith. Those who think there is will always fight along with the collectivists eventually.
WyattsTorch on February 18, 2013 at 5:10 PM
LOL, love her! Thanks for posting that idesign!!
Go Sarah!!
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Good points. You are on a roll today!!!
bluefox on February 18, 2013 at 5:12 PM
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