Pelosi: You know, I’m not sure if Obama should tell the public when he’s targeted an American citizen

posted at 7:31 pm on February 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

Good lord. How did I miss this last week?

If all you had here was the quotes, you might guess that they came from Dick Cheney or Condi Rice. Actually, scratch that — Condi sounds a bit more dovish about drones than Nancy does. Three words, my friends, just in case O does end up pulling the plug on Hagel: Defense Secretary Pelosi?

“Maybe. It just depends,” she said in an interview with The Huffington Post this week, when asked whether the administration should acknowledge when it targets a U.S. citizen in a drone strike…

“It’s interesting how popular it is in the public,” she said, recalling that the same polling dynamic prevailed during the fight over warrantless wiretaps. “People just want to be protected. And I saw that when we were fighting them on surveillance, the domestic surveillance. People just want to be protected: ‘You go out there and do it. I’ll criticize you, but I want to be protected.’”

“It depends on the situation,” she said [when asked if it's appropriate for the White House to "disappear" U.S. citizens]. “Maybe it depends on the timing, because that’s right — it’s all about timing, imminence. What is it that could be in jeopardy if people know that happened at this time? I just don’t know.”…

“I don’t know the American people want [the administration] to say, when in doubt, we decided that it wasn’t that imminent, and boom, we get hit again. It’s hard,” said Pelosi. “It’s not an easy thing, especially when you see that the values on the other side are not there. This is their life’s work to go to heaven — not to put down their beliefs, but the fact is, we don’t have a shared respect for life.”

When asked if O should share more info with the public about the drone program, the leader of the anti-war Democratic majority elected in 2006, who promised the most honest, open, ethical Congress in history, sonorously replied, “Oh, I don’t know.” More from Joel Gehrke at the Examiner:

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, responded less blithely. “Anytime the government willfully executes a citizen, regardless of the circumstances, it is a very serious issue,” Lee, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a statement to The Washington Examiner. “As the body that oversees executive branch actions, at the very least, Congress should have a full accounting – even if it must sometimes be in a classified setting – of the specific considerations that went into the decision.”…

Lee also acknowledged the possibility of some situations that might call for secrecy, though he emphasized the need for congressional review. “Government should always err on the side of greater transparency and make details public where they can,” he said in his statement. “Where there are limited and serious national security concerns about releasing certain details, the appropriate committees in Congress should have the opportunity to perform oversight.”

Three points here. First, it tells you everything you need to know about the state of Democratic civil-libertarianism that Pelosi would feel comfortable defending drones in these terms in the Huffington Post, of all places. She’s speaking directly to the lefty base here and not sugarcoating her points — one, that the public isn’t as opposed to Bushian counterterror measures as liberals sometimes like to pretend (Democrats very much included) and, two, that the politics of counterterrorism pushes presidents towards erring on the side of aggressive countermeasures. Which, of course, is part of the reason why Democrats support drone strikes: They know what it would mean for 2016 if a plot masterminded by a jihadi whom O had declined to target came off successfully. She can afford to be blunt. She knows there’ll be no backlash until a Republican’s back in the White House.

Second, if Pelosi’s confident of the program’s popularity, why is she ambivalent about whether the White House should be more transparent about it? In theory, more disclosure makes everyone happy. It keeps the public informed, which means some degree of popular oversight and accountability. It provides notice to the target, in case for whatever reason he doesn’t realize that O’s demanding his surrender. And it lets our Democratic president take credit for keeping America safe, just like he did when he announced Bin Laden’s death even though that alerted jihadis in the field to go to ground. The answer, I think, lies in this line: “You go out there and do it. I’ll criticize you, but I want to be protected.” When push comes to shove, she’s saying, much of the public really doesn’t want transparency. They may be willing compromise on their ideals but they don’t like being reminded of what that means in practice; a core duty of politicians today is shielding voters from hard choices, either by making those choices on their behalf and keeping the details from them (as in the case of drones) or refusing to make those choices altogether. When it comes to counterterrorism, most Dems want to pretend they’re Glenn Greenwald even though, in reality, they’re Nancy Pelosi. Obama, by withholding info from them, makes it a bit easier to maintain that illusion.

Third, it’s impossible to read this story without thinking of Porter Goss’s and Jose Rodriguez’s claim that Pelosi was secretly briefed with other House Intel Committee members on waterboarding allllllllll the way back in 2002 and said not a single word in objection. Pelosi’s denied that vehemently for years, even to the point of accusing the CIA of having misled her, but it makes perfect sense in light of what she says here. She’s evidently quite willing to accept extraordinary practices in the name of counterterrorism and she’s clear-eyed about the political costs and benefits of doing so. In 2002, when striking back at Al Qaeda was America’s top policy priority and the GOP enjoyed stratospheric support, she had every political reason to go along with waterboarding. Re-read the excerpt above and ask yourself if that sounds like someone who would have made a fuss if told that the government had gotten very rough with Abu Zubaydah in the first few months after 9/11.

Exit question: Regarding what Mike Lee said about congressional committees having oversight of Obama’s drone program, are we sure that isn’t happening already? Watch this clip, via the Washington Free Beacon, of House Intel Committee Chair Mike Rogers yesterday on CNN.


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Pelosi: You know, I’m not sure if Obama should tell the public when he’s targeted an American citizen ESPECIALLY WHEN HE’S A REPUBLICAN...”

FIFY…

Khun Joe on February 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

People just want to be protected: ‘You go out there and do it. I’ll criticize you, but I want to be protected.’”…

Ambassador Stevens’ cold dead hand is raised in agreement. Well, his and Tyrone Woods, Sean Smith and the other fellas hands as well.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I’d like to see pelousy get droned.

VegasRick on February 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

It’s coming folks. That’s is why Americans are arming themselves with any kind of weapon they can find. We all know how this story ends.

MikeA on February 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Drones for Bentonville but none for Benghazi….

sad.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

It’s not an easy thing, especially when you see that the values on the other side are not there. This is their life’s work to go to heaven — not to put down their beliefs, but the fact is, we don’t have a shared respect for life.

Interesting you should say that, Nancy. Can I take that as an implicit acknowledgment from a high-ranking Democrat that 99.999999% of the terrorists targeting Americans are Muslim?

steebo77 on February 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Pelosi: You know, I’m not sure if Obama should tell the public when he’s targeted an American citizen

Every American they target should be made public beforehand. I don’t have a problem with going after them if they are members of Al-Qaeda or the Taliban but it shouldn’t be a secret.

sharrukin on February 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Political opponents will be targeted.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:37 PM

My friends, we are in the age of prohibition and unaccountability, you know the two things that came just before The Great Depression.
How does one comment on anything that nazi-Pelosi says?
The women wouldn’t understand the constitution if Thomas Jefferson came back from the grave a schooled her on it.

kregg on February 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Look at the banner behind these snakes.

Open Government
Honest Leadership.

These reprobates would send Americans to gas chambers while telling their imbecilic voters “its for the children.”

tom daschle concerned on February 18, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Drones for Bentonville but none for Benghazi….

sad.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

there were surveillance drones over Benghazi, right? I’m sure I heard there was real time video

Slade73 on February 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

If democrats had even one iota of the integrity they want us to think the have, they would hold this president accountable to at least the standard they did for the last one.

Speakup on February 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Political opponents will be targeted.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:37 PM

That’s always the end result when the government can select citizens for execution in secret. No one person or group of people can be trusted with that power. Ever.

Curtiss on February 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

If i didn’t know she had a stroke or something, I would say she was insane.

pat on February 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

My pocket book has already been targeted..

Electrongod on February 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Could we have some drone practice on Nancy, maybe a few botox missles..

hillsoftx on February 18, 2013 at 7:45 PM

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin

workingclass artist on February 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Ben Gahzi? We still talking about THAT guy? That’s sooo 2012…/s

wytshus on February 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Radar Drone Detectors..

I see a new market…

Electrongod on February 18, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I have to ask just how much longer are we gong to tolerate these tyrants. I have to wonder if the bitch ever read the constitution.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on February 18, 2013 at 7:49 PM

We are getting the government we deserve…….and it’s increasingly wicked.

#darkfuture

PappyD61 on February 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Nancy Pelosi = Lady MacBeth.

Robert_Paulson on February 18, 2013 at 7:51 PM

And they thought that the so called “phone tapping” was a privacy invasion..

And the stink that was generated…

Fun times..

Electrongod on February 18, 2013 at 7:52 PM

.

Bmore on February 18, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Since the Dems seem so averse to having a border fence, could we maybe use all that wire and concrete to build a border fence around DC when the entire federal government is in session and then make sure there is no way they can get out? We can start over without them with the Constitution in hand.

DaveDief on February 18, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Trains? Camps? Jack-boots? Not needed.

Welcome to the promised land.

S. D. on February 18, 2013 at 7:54 PM

there were surveillance drones over Benghazi, right? I’m sure I heard there was real time video

Slade73 on February 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

you heard wrong, son…..
/White House.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:54 PM

People just want to be protected: ‘You go out there and do it. I’ll criticize you, but I want to be protected.’”

Katniss Everdeen in the Hunger Games groaned about the security around District 12. A high electric fence and constant surveillance where, she wondered, everyone in her hometown could starve to death in perfect security.

/dystopia

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Bmore on February 18, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Geez, dude! Give a guy some warning, why don’tcha. I’m tryin’ ta eat here.

;)

Solaratov on February 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM

So in leftard land Gitmo detainees get full miranda rights and due process? And US citizens on US soil get assassinated?

Is this for real?

kooly on February 18, 2013 at 8:01 PM

we need ammo…dang it..
——————————–
president has a D next to his name, no worries

if an R next to his name…IMPEACH!!!!

cmsinaz on February 18, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Just wait until our enemies have drones. Picture Al Queda, or the ChiComs, or Russia pulling a 9/11 without all the hassle of hijacking a jetliner. Targeting US leadership, nuke plants, military facilities etc., etc. All from the comfort, and safety of some underground bunker.Thousands unleashed at once. An actual plague of high tech locusts. Drones will be the ultimate terror weapon.

teacherman on February 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

People just want to be protected: ‘You go out there and do it. I’ll criticize you, but I want to be protected.’”…

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Benjamin Franklin

Resist We Much on February 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

This is their life’s work to go to heaven — not to put down their beliefs, but the fact is, we don’t have a shared respect for life.”

Er, Nancy, you have 50 million dead on your side. The “other side” has a lot of catching up to you to do.

Resist We Much on February 18, 2013 at 8:07 PM

The Russians do it the old fashion way. They’ll just sink you in concrete. Cost? Eh, prolly 35 bucks.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers-body-found-cemented-barrel-192000355.html

We Americans however, we have to go whole hog and use Hellfires—cost? 35K bucks.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 8:07 PM

workingclass artist on February 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Oops! I didn’t read the thread before I posted.

Like minds and all that!

Resist We Much on February 18, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Katniss Everdeen in the Hunger Games groaned about the security around District 12. A high electric fence and constant surveillance where, she wondered, everyone in her hometown could starve to death in perfect security.

/dystopia

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Now contemplate what it was that Katniss did at the very end of Mockingjay, right?

turfmann on February 18, 2013 at 8:09 PM

When do the marches begin, the giant paper-mache heads appear, Code Pinko chasing after Barky with a pair of handcuffs?

Lefties, what the hell, where is your moral outrage?

Bishop on February 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

We Americans however, we have to go whole hog and use Hellfires—cost? 35K bucks.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 8:07 PM

And the guy with his hands on the joystick gets a Bravery Medal..

Electrongod on February 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

You know, I never really contemplated myself as being a flying jihadi.

I thought I would have had to convert, but apparently, if Nazi Botox has her way, all I need to do is fly a Gadsden flag out front of the house…

turfmann on February 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Solaratov on February 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM

; )

Bmore on February 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

It’s time for american citizens to target authoritarian socialists & marxists.

rayra on February 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM

The rules are getting looser, and scarier.

Bishop on February 18, 2013 at 8:17 PM

So in leftard land Gitmo detainees get full miranda rights and due process? And US citizens on US soil get assassinated?

Is this for real?

kooly on February 18, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Yes, this is the world where right is wrong and wrong is right. We are upside down. And all you need is a media that agrees with it.

CoffeeLover on February 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Now contemplate what it was that Katniss did at the very end of Mockingjay, right?

turfmann on February 18, 2013 at 8:09 PM

oh don’t say, i heard it is good and I’m trying to read it right now.

ted c on February 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Ah crimey, now I’m gonna have to head out into the woods and shoot these things down?

I feel like I’m in a Terminator movie here.

eyesky on February 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

This is their life’s work to go to heaven — not to put down their beliefs, but the fact is, we don’t have a shared respect for life.”
Er, Nancy, you have 50 million dead on your side. The “other side” has a lot of catching up to you to do.
Resist We Much on February 18, 2013 at 8:07 PM

The definition of irony.

HellCat on February 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Once again Pelosi makes a stupid statement for which the media would fry any conservative. Pelosi will again get a pass.

bw222 on February 18, 2013 at 8:23 PM

The rules are getting looser, and scarier.

Bishop on February 18, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Pretty crazy, huh. If these folks were R’s you would go deaf from the howling.

VegasRick on February 18, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Drones.

Death Panels.

Late term abortion.

…but the fact is, we don’t have a shared respect for life.”

-Comrade Pelosi

tru2tx on February 18, 2013 at 8:27 PM

In view of Ms. Pelosi’s role as a leading authority in the Catholic Church’s alternate magisterium one waits breathlessly for her further teaching and scriptural exegesis on this matter.

Mason on February 18, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Catholics deserve to be forced to perform gay marriages, late term abortions, and euthanasia for not excommunicating this she-dog.

Archivarix on February 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

She’s agnostic because either way she opines will be used against here for eternity; as well as against the Democrats and President in the near-term. A cop out is not the easy way out, it is the ONLY way out.

John Kettlewell on February 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Forgot to add:

hurt feelings, gitmo club med, and ‘torture’ = bad

targeted death, mutilation, and collateral damage = good

John Kettlewell on February 18, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Er, Nancy, you have 50 million dead on your side. The “other side” has a lot of catching up to you to do.

Resist We Much on February 18, 2013 at 8:07 PM

They are literally on her side – when they vote.

Archivarix on February 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

It’s hard to think, once your head is pumped full of Botox.

GarandFan on February 18, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Wrong answer. Even outlaws knew their bounty and if wanted dead or alive. They same should apply to Americans to be targeted by drones. Put the word out via media and let the modern day outlaw know his number is up when the drone spots him.

AH_C on February 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I don’t think he should tell us when he targets Nanzi Pelozi until after he gets her. That will be good for a third term.

Old Country Boy on February 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM


Pelosi; “It’s not an easy thing, especially when you see that the values on the other side are not there. This is their life’s work to go to heaven — not to put down their beliefs, but the fact is, we don’t have a shared respect for life.”

Just WHO the frack is she talking about eh?

This could go any way and mean any fracking thing she chooses…

What a gross hag…

I spit on her *phtooey*

I am at my wits end with all the fracking double talk, the making us the scapegoat for every fracking thing…

I am PISSED the FRACK off!!

I think I’ll just go blow my brains out now /s and not see the suffering that is coming…

I am disgusted with it all.

Every single one of them are fracking MORONS!

Scrumpy on February 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

You first, batch.

Midas on February 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

workingclass artist on February 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Oops! I didn’t read the thread before I posted.

Like minds and all that!

Resist We Much on February 18, 2013 at 8:08 PM

: )

workingclass artist on February 18, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Catholics deserve to be forced to perform gay marriages, late term abortions, and euthanasia for not excommunicating this she-dog.

Archivarix on February 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Check this out…
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/benedicts-coming-revolution-over-state-funded-catholic-charity?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrisisMagazine+%28Crisis+Magazine%29

I think ex-communication could be on it’s way?

workingclass artist on February 18, 2013 at 9:51 PM

John Adams once said:

“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished.
But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, ‘whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,’

roflmmfao

donabernathy on February 18, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Pelosi: You know, I’m not sure if Obama should tell the public when he’s targeted an American citizen

Do think you would ever hear Pelosi say this?

Pelosi: You know, I’m not sure if BUSH should tell the public when he’s targeted an American citizen

Never happen.

albill on February 19, 2013 at 7:11 AM

this may be a lil off topic but its crap like this that gave me the excuse i needed to go ahead and buy that AR 15 for my husband on valentines day. it was a great gift he loved it , but i never would have been able to spend that much cash in good conscience if it wasnt for comments like the ones pelosi makes all the time. now we just have to find the ammo……

katee bayer on February 19, 2013 at 7:33 AM

I love how she finds the moral equivalency of warrantless wire taps and warrantless death sentences.

blammm on February 19, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Time to start buying nail guns. They are legal and the really big ones can shoot a nail 200 yds thru a 2×4. You can pick one up at Home Depot or Lowes. Get one now before the govt decides to ban them. I had thought about getting a bolt, but these will prove useful for home improvement, too. I’ll bet it wouldn’t take 10 to bring down a deer, either. See, if we put our minds to it, we can stay one step ahead of big sis or big daddy.

Kissmygrits on February 19, 2013 at 10:01 AM