Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on February 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

On Friday, National Journal called Rand Paul “the Republican to watch in 2013.” He’s certainly the one to watch this morning: Amid an otherwise dreary Sunday a.m. field, he’ll be on Fox to chat about counterprogramming Marco Rubio after the SOTU, blocking John Brennan over drone strikes in the U.S., enraging his dad’s fans by voting no on Chuck Hagel, and panicking the GOP consultant class with the potential for a third-party run in 2016.

After Paul’s segment is over, switch to ABC and watch Dr. Ben Carson on “This Week.” The line-up via NJ:

Meet the Press hosts White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., former Rep. Gabby Giffords’, D-Ariz., husband Mark Kelly and California Lieutenant Gov. Gavin Newsom

Face the Nation hosts White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Newark Mayor Cory Booker.

This Week hosts Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas and former Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Fox News Sunday hosts Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

State of the Union hosts Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., former Rep. Steve LaTourette, R-Ohio. and Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo.


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“Neo” conservative usually is applied to recent converts to Conservatism from the ranks of the formerly liberal leaning, who bring into conservatism many residual affects from their former political persuasions, tainting it and diluting it.

The term “Neo” means “new”

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

When it was original used, it was to refer to conservative Democrats that had jumped over the the Republican party after the Democrat party went hippie. As the people it was applied to were frequently Jewish, “neocons” were also assumed to be unaffiliated with the evangelical right (later tagged to as “socons”).

Count to 10 on February 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Waaaaah! Obama didn’t get caught out on a 13 year affair! Waaaah!

chumpThreads on February 17, 2013 at 9:30 AM

But rumors fly, and by the guys who should know best…..

http://hillbuzz.org/is-barack-obama-gay

tencole on February 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM

I have found many leftists seem to use it just because it has turned into a derogatory term.

CW on February 17, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Ask THEM to explain it and be prepared for some hilarity.

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Count to 10 on February 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

It IS a curiosity that many ARE Jewish. The term has taken on an anti-semitic inference when it is used derogatorily because of that.

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM

When it was original used, it was to refer to conservative Democrats that had jumped over the the Republican party after the Democrat party went hippie.

Count to 10 on February 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

And because they thought that conservatism is a political viewpoint rather than a worldview, and at the same time ignored the fact that the “hippie” movement was a replacement worldview and not just another political perspective, never abandoned their liberal foundations.

They just transplanted them into the conservative camp and so diluted it.

It’s like Liberals fleeing their cities and moving to the country and bringing their same value system with them, destroying the country values.

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM

The fact is the Arab lobby, dictates almost all of the policy since 1945, the exceptions being ’48, and ’67.

narciso on February 17, 2013 at 12:21 PM

When they have Ted Cruz, Rubio, and Paul on, I might watch.

RoyalFlush on February 17, 2013 at 12:41 PM

McCain expects Universal Gun Registration:

McCain expects broad support for universal background checks
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/02/mccain-broad-support-for-universal-background-checks-157222.html

Colbyjack on February 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Rand Paul will be a very prominent Senator for as long as he wants to be, but I don’t ever see him living in the White House.

Illinidiva on February 17, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Rubio wants very much to live in Casa Blanco.

VorDaj on February 17, 2013 at 1:41 PM

And because they thought that conservatism is a political viewpoint rather than a worldview, and at the same time ignored the fact that the “hippie” movement was a replacement worldview and not just another political perspective, never abandoned their liberal foundations.

They just transplanted them into the conservative camp and so diluted it.

It’s like Liberals fleeing their cities and moving to the country and bringing their same value system with them, destroying the country values.

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM

What issues make say, John Bolton, Charles Krauthammer and Norman Podhoretz, to name a few famous neocons, into liberals? I’m curious.

thebrokenrattle on February 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM

And because they thought that conservatism is a political viewpoint rather than a worldview, and at the same time ignored the fact that the “hippie” movement was a replacement worldview and not just another political perspective, never abandoned their liberal foundations.

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM

What does that mean? What “foundations”?

Count to 10 on February 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Face the Nation hosts White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough

I think I caught a piece of this. What a joke — just a solid wall of denial about pretty much everything.

Count to 10 on February 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Blue Buddha!!!

Bmore on February 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Rubio wants very much to live in Casa Blanco.

VorDaj on February 17, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Thats funny because Casa Blanco is White House in Spanish. Clever!

vegconservative on February 17, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas

Cuomo or Biden’s VEEP nominee if he can beat Perry.

Castro is the “make Texas blue” pill that the Ruling Class Dems want the state to take.

PappyD61 on February 17, 2013 at 2:26 PM

YAWN!!!

Who has the time to waste on the Sunday morning talking heads? I’m busy digging up dirt on the MIGOP corrupt-o-crats and sending along that information to the TEA Party delegates who, like me, will be attending the MIGOP Convention this week.

Pretty much everything on television is scripted so as to make certain you only ‘learn’ what they want to ‘teach’ you. I do not need to be programmed by the 0bamaGanda media, thankyouverymuch!

DannoJyd on February 17, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Rand Paul brought up two points that jumped out at me in New England. He said that republicans are not doing very well in New England and need libertarians.

He also mentioned the need for laxer drug laws to attract young voters.

In New England, a lot of those voters are only interested in the constitution to bring them drug freedom.

In New England, his people register republican, but don’t show up to get the vote our for conservative candidates…I don’t know if they sit on their hands or vote liberal, they don’t put time in knocking on doors and electing local republicans…and they don’t have many libertarian candidates of their own.

And frequently when you hear someone say that someone is not conservative enough, and especially “constitutionally conservative enough” they mean, they don’t see drug freedom in the constitution. How do we separate these people out from the other Tea Partiers? who work on GOP campaigns, show up, and want drug laws enforced as they are on the books?

Fleuries on February 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM

VorDaj. Por Supuesto. Rubio quiere ser el Presidente de los Estados Unidos.

Illinidiva on February 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM

thebrokenrattle on February 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Who calls them neo-cons?

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Rand Paul Vs. Marco Rubio – 2016 Presidential Primary Poll

It looks like it may come down to a battle between these two very good candidates. If it does and you are forced to make a decision between these two, who would you pick?

conservativeBC on February 17, 2013 at 4:32 PM

What does that mean? What “foundations”?

Count to 10 on February 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM

In order to understand the difference between conservatism and liberalism one has to stop thinking in terms of political positions on specific issues (like abortion, or gay marriage, e.g.) and think in terms of the fundamental philosophical assumptions about reality under-girding each viewpoint.

In fact, one has to realize that this is the fundamental issue at the heart of the contest between the two, that is, whose view of reality is the correct one and, therefore, which viewpoint do we establish policy decisions on?

What ARE the foundations of, both, Liberalism AND conservatism?

Do YOU know?

Can you articulate your political philosophy and from whence it is derived? I’m betting you can’t, even as a “conservative”, therefore you ask that question.

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Approving Hagel and/or bowing to illegal alien citizenship disqualifies anyone who falls for those idiocies.

profitsbeard on February 17, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Who calls them neo-cons?

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 4:23 PM

It’s pretty common knowledge that they are all neoconservative. Bolton was even featured in the book “The Neocon Reader”

thebrokenrattle on February 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM

You are scrappy. A ton of us misjudged you during the elections.

hawkdriver on February 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Why thank you.. I enjoy making fun of stupid people who I disagree with. But I’m really bad with elections because I live in Chicago, so my sports teams and candidates tend to always lose.

Illinidiva on February 17, 2013 at 6:55 PM

It’s pretty common knowledge that they are all neoconservative. Bolton was even featured in the book “The Neocon Reader”

thebrokenrattle on February 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Are you telling me that all three of these gentlemen were, at one time, registered Democrats?

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Are you telling me that all three of these gentlemen were, at one time, registered Democrats?

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Because there’s a difference between being a Democrat and being a Liberal, just as there’s a difference between being a Republican and being a Conservative.

Being a Democrat or a Republican are political affiliations but being a Conservative or a Liberal are philosophical positions. One can change one’s political affiliation but if they do not change their philosophical position, it will be reflected in their political policy decisions.

I’m not saying that they do this knowingly; I suspect most people don’t really understand their political philosophies as much as they simply have political preferences.

As to your original question, I never said these men are Liberals simply because they are neo-conservatives. What I said was that if a person who once WAS a Liberal but who then BECOMES a conservative but does so simply because he or she disagrees with specific policies without understanding the differences in the respective PHILOSOPHIES, he or she will eventually incorporate their liberal biases into their policy making decisions, whether knowingly or unwittingly.

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 11:20 PM

but does so simply because he or she disagrees with specific policies without understanding the differences in the respective PHILOSOPHIES, and does not consciously REJECT his previous philosophy

Fixed

Cleombrotus on February 17, 2013 at 11:26 PM

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