Concerned citizens rally in support of … Dorner?

posted at 11:01 am on February 17, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I first expressed some concerns over this growing meme one week ago, and MK Hammer found it cropping up in other places a few days later. Now it’s apparently spilling out into the streets of California, as people attempt to make the recently expired cop killer Christopher Dorner into some sort of martyr / hero.

Dozens of protesters rallied outside Los Angeles police headquarters Saturday in support of Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD officer and suspected killer of four who died after a shootout and fire this week at a mountain cabin following one of the biggest manhunts in recent memory.

Protesters told the Los Angeles Times they didn’t support Dorner’s deadly methods, but objected to police corruption and brutality, and believed Dorner’s claims of racism and unfair treatment by the department. Many said they were angered by the conduct of the manhunt that led to Dorner’s death and injuries to innocent bystanders who were mistaken for him.

Michael Nam, 30, who held a sign with a flaming tombstone and the inscription “RIP Habeas Corpus,” said it was “pretty obvious” police had no intention of bringing Dorner in alive.

I suppose it’s nice that the protesters would take the time to specify that they’re not actually supporting murdering your former employers and colleagues, but that’s a pretty soft sell in light of what transpired. That comment about not having any intention of bringing Dorner in alive was another common theme, and one which I saw reflected in my Twitter timeline many times through the final couple of days of the manhunt. It’s also one of the ones that I find the most confounding. The idea that law enforcement officials were somehow “hunting down” Dorner with the specific intention of killing him should be obviously preposterous on its face. At any point in this saga, Dorner could have put down his weapons and walked into a police station with his hands up and he’d have been taken into custody without further incident. But by the same token, the police weren’t going to blindly wander around while searching for someone who had already shot several of their fellow officers without being prepared for the worst.

Still, the latest group of protesters wanted to get their message out there.

Signs expressed anger at police and support for Dorner.

“If you’re not enraged, you’re not paying attention,” one sign read.

“Why couldn’t we hear his side?”

“Clear his name! Christopher Dorner”

Liliana Alaniz, 40, came with her family -– her mother, sister, nieces and daughters -– from Long Beach to join the protest, which she said was her first.

“I really, really believe he was innocent in the firing case,” Alaniz said of Dorner.

Alaniz held a sign that read, “Trying to clear your name.”

Her daughter, Andrea Tovar, said Dorner “has his supporters.”

If you have complaints with the methods and potential abuses of the police department, bring them forward in the press and in the courts. Showing up as a “supporter” of somebody who is running around shooting cops isn’t helping anyone.


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It’s because he’s Black.

There are people out there who think Blacks can do no wrong.

itsnotaboutme on February 17, 2013 at 11:03 AM

If you have complaints with the methods and potential abuses of the police department, bring them forward in the press

Yeah, sure, the press is our friend. They’ll solve all our problems. Just tell ‘em all about it. Yeah, right.

HiJack on February 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Does “someone” want to blame the left for Dorner, now??

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

He is dead. Soon forgotten.

Bmore on February 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

I wondered if something like this might happen, but figured people wouldn’t be so callous to the families of Dorner’s victims. Looks like I again gave liberals too much credit, humanizing them too much.

Liam on February 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

If one of Dorner’s victims had been a child, would these same morons still be out there on the street protesting on behalf of his worthless dead rear-end?

pilamaye on February 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Now it’s apparently spilling out into the streets of California, as people attempt to make the recently expired cop killer Christopher Dorner into some sort of martyr / hero.

With all due respect Jazz, when it comes to Dorner, you guys are idiots. You and the entire Media, and 90% of your readers.

The whole thing about Dorner isn’t about Dorner other than as a symbolic representation of something entirely different. Los Angeles officially becomes a Dystopian nightmare.

What it’s all about is the Los Angeles Police Department. The most corrupt Police Department in the entire History of the United States of America. Those who long to surrender their essential liberties for a little temporary safety will not understand. Those who are utterly incapable of grasping the true meaning of “When seconds count, the Police are only Minuets away” will stumble around this issue flailing about for meaning and succeed only in accusing others of all manner of vile evil.

SWalker on February 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

This too shall pass. Good grief.

Philly on February 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

If one of Dorner’s victims had been a child, would these same morons still be out there on the street protesting on behalf of his worthless dead rear-end?

pilamaye on February 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

No they would be telling us how our guns need to be taken away

tbrickert on February 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

A pack of low-rent mojados. Probably on the Zeta payroll..

The future of the Golden State.

Californians, chase your leftwing legislators up to the hills into a flammable cabin..

TexasJew on February 17, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Dorner stopped being a victim of anything the second he shot Monica Quon and her fiancee. Innocent people wronged by their employer do not go after the family of their co workers. However when you bring this up to these crazy people they just say they don’t condone what he did. I asked my neighbor who agrees with these idiots, “so if he’s innocent its legit he killed his rep’s daughter? I guess that’s all right. Yeah he really showed he was a victim there!”

RadioAngel on February 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

The idea that law enforcement officials were somehow “hunting down” Dorner with the specific intention of killing him should be obviously preposterous on its face

Not a Dorner fan, but LA cops are notorious.

http://boingboing.net/2013/02/08/in-dorner-manhunt-lapd-mistak.html

http://fountainvalley.patch.com/articles/vehicle-mistaken-for-dorner-s-was-driven-by-surfer-headed-to-the-beach

http://www.ibtimes.com/did-cops-set-christopher-dorner-cabin-fire-listen-police-scanner-recording-audio-transcript-1084276

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Just curious, did any of those “news” outlets talking about the “dozens” of people who showed up to support Dorner mention the THOUSANDS of people in Hundreds of places protesting the “sensible gun control”?

Los Angeles has 9,000,000 people in it (last time I checked) so “dozens” 24-48 is so far below the noise level as to be laughable.

You were just suckered by the media .. Another shiny object.

CrazyGene on February 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

@Texas…. you do not know how hard it is being a conservative here. As soon as I can leave I will! My dad and I were just talking about it yesterday. I live in a nice place two blocks from the beach but the taxes and society are too much now here. And when I have kids I don’t want to raise them around these morons.

RadioAngel on February 17, 2013 at 11:19 AM

I wonder how many of those “dozens” will also tell you OJ didn’t do it?

apostic on February 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

It’s because he’s Black.

There are people out there who think Blacks can do no wrong.

It is not because he is black. Most folks in LA are hispanic now.

LA is the F@CK the police capital! Nothing has changed since NWA

southernms on February 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Well, it is disturbing that a bunch of skittish, angry cops shot up a truck driven by a woman that was a different make, model and color than the one Dorner was driving. The people who say only law enforcement should be armed need to have their heads examined.

As for this lefty crowd, it’s just a typical deflection by doubling down when one of their own exposes them for the kooks and reprobates they are.

RadClown on February 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Protesters told the Los Angeles Times they didn’t support Dorner’s deadly methods, but objected to police corruption and brutality, and believed Dorner’s claims of racism and unfair treatment by the department.

It seems to me that Dorner’s deadly methods and how the LAPD dealt with him are linked, but not in the way the protestors think. LAPD is a human organization, with human foibles, but in this case the system functioned exactly as the protesters would have wanted. A cop who sullies the reputation of another to protect his own skin, a cop who kills innocent people as proxies for the “bad guys” — well, if that’s the kind of cop these people want on the streets protecting them, I beg to differ.

unclesmrgol on February 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

essentially, a couple dozen Obama supporters blathering…meaningless.

hillsoftx on February 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Now it’s apparently spilling out into the streets of California, as people attempt to make the recently expired cop killer Christopher Dorner into some sort of martyr / hero.

…just California voters!…doing stuff !

KOOLAID2 on February 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Protesters told the Los Angeles Times they didn’t support Dorner’s deadly methods, but objected to police corruption and brutality, and believed Dorner’s claims of racism and unfair treatment by the department.

Because homicidal maniacs are always trustworthy.

I mean the astounding stupidity it takes to know someone is murdering people, but you don’t think they would go so far as to lie about anything!

ButterflyDragon on February 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Well it’s time for Big Daddy Obozo to come out and lecture the country about whatever side he’s on, so we all know what to think.

Or feeeeeel, as the enlightened left do not know how to think.

tru2tx on February 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

I had no trouble with them using burners on him. He hadn’t responded at all to lesser concentrations of tear gas, was still firing as they demo’d the house around him, refused all entreaties to surrender. Just how far do you go with a guy with a “manifesto” who has already killed four people and intends to kill many more?

unclesmrgol on February 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

What it’s all about is the Los Angeles Police Department. The most corrupt Police Department in the entire History of the United States of America.
SWalker on February 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

But look who they vote into office. If there is a problem it comes from the voters. You get the government you vote for.

CW20 on February 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Well….they rallied for Mumia.

Now, Dorner.

We as a nation have truly gone mad.

coldwarrior on February 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

This whole thing with Dorner is like nothing I’ve seen in my life. That he was able to get any level of followers, outright shocked me. That he got the incredible volume of support he did, makes me outright disgusted at a big portion of my fellow Americans.

Any person that sees this man as a hero is an idiot. This is a pretty good example of where our country is going to and it isn’t anything to be proud of.

hawkdriver on February 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

“The idea that law enforcement officials were somehow “hunting down” Dorner with the specific intention of killing him should be obviously preposterous on its face.”

How so? Facts can be troublesome things to stupid statements. There were two separate incidents where police opened fire on unarmed citizens they mistook for Dorner. Nobody had fired on them. Looks like an execution mentality to me.

philw1776 on February 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM

When i look at a crowd like that, I wonder…

…Could you make a poison ivy cluster bomb?

trigon on February 17, 2013 at 11:30 AM

DORNER……MARTYR

The full blossom of the seeds that the LAPD have been planting for decades, and the permanent welfare great society that LBJ created and it’s permanent victimhood.

Don’t be shocked, it’s been growing in front of our very eyes for a couple of generations now.

And………..there is more to come.

PappyD61 on February 17, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Here’s a thought: I one wants to protest recent actions of the LAPD, censure the Dorner truthers that show up.

apostic on February 17, 2013 at 11:31 AM

*If* one wants . Dammit I should clean my glasses sometime….

apostic on February 17, 2013 at 11:32 AM

What it’s all about is the Los Angeles Police Department. The most corrupt Police Department in the entire History of the United States of America. Those who long to surrender their essential liberties for a little temporary safety will not understand. Those who are utterly incapable of grasping the true meaning of “When seconds count, the Police are only Minuets away” will stumble around this issue flailing about for meaning and succeed only in accusing others of all manner of vile evil.

SWalker on February 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

The horse to whom you hook your wagon says much.

unclesmrgol on February 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The idea that law enforcement officials were somehow “hunting down” Dorner with the specific intention of killing him should be obviously preposterous on its face.

Yeah, because those three separate incidents where LAPD opened fire on civilians in open daylight with only vaguely similar vehicles as Dorner without even checking to see who was driving is real “preposterous”. They were never going to let him reach a witness stand.

mythicknight on February 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM

hawkdriver on February 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

+1000

unclesmrgol on February 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM

They were never going to let him reach a witness stand.

mythicknight on February 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM

And that’s exactly how Dorner acted — after having reached the witness stand twice.

unclesmrgol on February 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Why not? He’s this decade’s Bill Ayers.

“Just a guy in my neigborhood.”

slickwillie2001 on February 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Dorner is a prime example of Democratic Party policy. They need to own this. They have preached for the last 50 years that people are victims and then they offer up their services to save the day, as long as you vote for them.

That victicrat strategy has created countless Dorners over the years. He got the spotlight due to the fact he was an ex-cop killing cops.

But there are literally millions of these victicrats always blaming others for everything in their life. Accepting no responsibility for their failings. After all, they’re special. They have 20 trophies for showing up to the track meet. So when something bad happens in their life, it’s a problem outside of them that must be addressed.

Democrats use this strategy to garner votes. They pit American against American and use that fear to win elections.

Yes, Dorner is an extreme byproduct of their policies and ideologies, but it is what it is. They need to own this.

ButterflyDragon on February 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Trayvon. Dorner. Who’s next?

joejm65 on February 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

It’s because he’s Black.

There are people out there who think Blacks can do no wrong.

itsnotaboutme on February 17, 2013 at 11:03 AM

.
There are people out there who insist Caucasian males owe everyone else (but especially the descendents of slaves) a debt.

How dare Caucasian males deny this, and how dare they NOT PAY what they owe.

listens2glenn on February 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

What a diverse crowd they have there.

Doomsday on February 17, 2013 at 11:41 AM

If Dorner wanted to surrender he could have done so at any newspaper office, radio station, police station, or the local convenience store. He didn’t.

The police aren’t required to let him kill another of them so they can then feel justified in opening fire.

sharrukin on February 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Killing whitey is totally cool. It’s so Django Unchained…

Doomsday on February 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Dorner stopped being a victim of anything the second he shot Monica Quon and her fiancee. Innocent people wronged by their employer do not go after the family of their co workers.

RadioAngel on February 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

.
That says all that needs saying, about Dorner’s actions of “retaliation.”

listens2glenn on February 17, 2013 at 11:44 AM

unclesmrgol on February 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

A dozen trained guys with actual assault rifles and light body armor could cut power and water and hang around a day or two. He wasn’t going anywhere.

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

So where were these “supporters” when Dorner was holed up in that cabin? I’m sure they could have talked him into surrendering. Oh, wait….this was the same guy who said he wouldn’t be taken alive.

Fancy that.

GarandFan on February 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM

They were never going to let him reach a witness stand.

mythicknight on February 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Can I have a thick night too? I’m starting to get sick of thin nights.

As unclesmrgol succinctly noted already, Dorner had already played by the rules, and had gone through the officially recognized procedure for filing and airing his grievances, whether real or imagined, with the LAPD. But after he was not satisfied with the results of that officially recognized procedure, he, and he alone, decided to take the law into his own hands.

But in your world, it’s still the LAPD that’s guilty.

F-

Del Dolemonte on February 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

A dozen trained guys with actual assault rifles and light body armor could cut power and water and hang around a day or two. He wasn’t going anywhere.

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

It was about to get dark, in the middle of the woods, and it would have been fairly easy for him to sneak past the cops on scene.

Count to 10 on February 17, 2013 at 11:50 AM

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

You should have volunteered your services to hang outside a cabin with a guy that possibly has his .50 Barrett propped up and ready to go. That body armor would have surely saved you. Pft, what’s a .50 to body armor, right?

ButterflyDragon on February 17, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Killing whitey is totally cool. It’s so Django Unchained…

Doomsday on February 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM

The first person he killed was a woman of Asian ancestry, and the third was a black cop.

Walter Sobchak on February 17, 2013 at 11:51 AM

So where were these “supporters” when Dorner was holed up in that cabin? I’m sure they could have talked him into surrendering. Oh, wait….this was the same guy who said he wouldn’t be taken alive.

Fancy that.

GarandFan on February 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Dorner was a fan of Obama and all those MSNBC and CNN talking heads. Not a one called on him to surrender. The only person who publicly did was Charlie Sheen, but that seemed more a like a photo op for the drunk. No one more influential made the effort.

Liam on February 17, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Prof Lamont Hill, a guy with a degree in race hustling, determined to keep the poor poor and himself employed by peddling racist hype and fear, absent of intelligent thought and fact, is responsible for this kind of ignorance. Choose your college carefully folks or, by pass it completely lest you will be this ignorant too. Lamont Hill’s entire brain, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, all together, are not worth $100,000 in tuition.

Charm on February 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Paid for political protest…

I would not be surprised to see “Organizing for America” behind this.

Skywise on February 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

http://www.ibtimes.com/did-cops-set-christopher-dorner-cabin-fire-listen-police-scanner-recording-audio-transcript-1084276

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

He died from a single gunshot wound to the head. He was not killed by the fire.

And, just so that you know…

As concerning the use of deadly force and law enforcement, in Tennessee v Garner, 471 US 1 (1985), the Supreme Court held that law enforcement is only permitted the use of such force against dangerous suspects, who are in flight, when killing the suspect is “necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

In Fourth Amendment cases, the Supreme Court has stressed that “the use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable. It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead.”

Deadly force was held not justified where a suspect’s vehicle was “moving slowly and in a non-aggressive manner, could not have hit any of the officers, and was stationary at the time of the shooting.” Kirby v Duva, 530 F.3d 475, 482 (6th Cir. 2008). Also, in Smith v Cupp, 430 F.3d 766, 774-75 (6th Cir. 2005), the Court held that suspect who had taken control of officer’s patrol car, although he was in possession of a dangerous weapon, “was not threatening the lives of those around him.”

Given the fact that Dorner a) had killed an officer at the final shootout site, b) sent another officer to ICU where he is in critical condition, and c) continued to shoot from the cabin, lethal force could be used because:

1. It was “necessary to prevent the escape;”

AND

2. Officers had “probable cause to believe that the suspect posed a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officers or others.”

While I would prefer that LE not use lethal force because I don’t support state-sponsored killings, I have no problem with using it if the alternative is the deaths of more innocent people. LE would have been completely within the law to take him down.

Resist We Much on February 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

unclesmrgol on February 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

A dozen trained guys with actual assault rifles and light body armor could cut power and water and hang around a day or two. He wasn’t going anywhere.

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

How, exactly, would you have handled (and paid for!) such a logistical nightmare? That would have required keeping the entire neighborhood evacuated for days, including businesses and schools. And given his proficiency with weaponry, what makes you think a dozen guys would be enough?

Del Dolemonte on February 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM

And given his proficiency with weaponry, what makes you think a dozen guys would be enough?

Del Dolemonte on February 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM

What are you suggesting that they have to see sleep sometime?

sharrukin on February 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Dorner was a fan of Obama and all those MSNBC and CNN talking heads. …
Liam on February 17, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Shhh you’re not allow to talk about that…..

CW on February 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Give us bread!

Give us iPhones!

Release Barrabas!

Some things are timeless. Like… stipudity.

ROCnPhilly on February 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM

uhhh.. stipudity? Typos are also pretty popular…

ROCnPhilly on February 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Target rich environment.

Mr. Arrogant on February 17, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Dorner never should have been a cop….

He was hired to satisfy racial quotas – that’s it.

He was a psychotic killer – that’s it.

I am glad he shot himself before he could kill again.

I piss on his grave.

redguy on February 17, 2013 at 12:01 PM

If the police waited Dorner out like some suggest, and if he did surrender after days without food and water and working toilets, how many would be saying that was police brutality for leaving him filthy, starving, and thirsty?

Or, how much food was already at the cabin? If he had enough containers, he might have thought of the water being cut off and prepared accordingly for an extended siege.

Monday morning quarterbacks never make much sense to me.

Liam on February 17, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Resist We Much on February 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

When you bring it…you bring it.

Great post.

CW on February 17, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Since those imbeciles, known as the “Honky Founding Fathers,” are clearly out-of-touch, out-of-date and should be flung onto the excrement heap of American history -

New patriots must arise!

Arise, Christopher Dorner!

Forward, America!

OhEssYouCowboys on February 17, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Tells you where the public mind is in California when the believe a cop-killer. There is no thought that the same kind of behavior that caused him to kill was the same behavior that people thought was a problem for him on the LAPD. For example if the guy had it in for the LAPD to the point of killing people and he was dismissed for making false accusations against officers. I am supposed to believe that the cop killer was HONEST and WOULD NOT make false accusations as part of a personal crusade against the LAPD and that is what THEY found and got rid of an anti-LAPD crusader on their force? and that the anti-LAPD crusader THEN went on a rampage? I think the protester and Dorner supporters have a lot more explaining than the LAPD about why they are doing what they are doing.

Conan on February 17, 2013 at 12:07 PM

A dozen trained guys with actual assault rifles and light body armor could cut power and water and hang around a day or two. He wasn’t going anywhere.

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

It was about to get dark, in the middle of the woods, and it would have been fairly easy for him to sneak past the cops on scene.

Count to 10 on February 17, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I myself live “in the middle of the woods”. Our city slicker posters here have absolutely no idea how dark it gets in those woods after sunset. Dorner could have walked within inches of a cop in those dark woods, and the cop would never have seen him.

Oh, sure, they could have outfitted a dozen guys with night vision equipment, but that would have taken a lot of staging time too.

Del Dolemonte on February 17, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Dozens of protesters rallied outside Los Angeles police headquarters Saturday in support of Christopher Dorner

Monica Quan, Keith Lawrence, Jeremiah MacKay, and Michael Crain weren’t able to attend.

rukiddingme on February 17, 2013 at 12:08 PM

A dozen trained guys with actual assault rifles and light body armor could cut power and water and hang around a day or two. He wasn’t going anywhere.

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

There is no way the LAPD was going to let Dorner live.
Dorner’s ego got the best of him. By publishing his “manifesto” he svrewed
up big time.
When you go up against the “establishment” best not to let your intentions be known.

redguy on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Liam on February 17, 2013 at 12:01 PM

He died by his own hand. That says it all about how this was to end.

Conan on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Was Obama among the rallying supporters? He would have been ‘cept he was playing golf.

Sherman1864 on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The first person he killed was a woman of Asian ancestry, and the third was a black cop.

Walter Sobchak on February 17, 2013 at 11:51 AM

but it was Whitey’s oppressive police force that made him do it…they were unintended collateral damage in the war against all things whitey…

Doomsday on February 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Resist We Much on February 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

When you bring it…you bring it.

Great post.

CW on February 17, 2013 at 12:02 PM

…always!…btw…how long have those cartoons been up on RWM’s site?…my puter has been acting up…funny!

KOOLAID2 on February 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM

With all due respect Jazz, when it comes to Dorner, you guys are idiots. You and the entire Media, and 90% of your readers.

SWalker on February 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Why add the with all due respect? Stopped reading your rant after that.

can_con on February 17, 2013 at 12:12 PM

There is no way the LAPD was going to let Dorner live.

redguy on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

He killed himself.

sharrukin on February 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM

He died by his own hand. That says it all about how this was to end.

Conan on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

True. Though he took the coward’s way out, the cretins still want to make him some kind of folk hero along the lines of Davey Crockett. Seems the old saying, “In for a penny, in for a pound,” applies here.

Liam on February 17, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Anyone who is screeching that the LAPD had no intention of taking Dorner alive needs to look at Dorner’s manifesto. He’s the one who had no intention of the LAPD taking him alive.

JannyMae on February 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Let them protest over his burnt body.

tomas on February 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Well….they rallied for Mumia.

Now, Dorner.

We as a nation have truly gone mad.

coldwarrior on February 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM

So, “dozens” of dopes is evidence of the nation going mad? I agree that a great multitude of idiots are out there, but really!

HiJack on February 17, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Surprised? Then you haven’t heard of Tookie Williams or Mumia Abu Jamal… Democrats love their racist killers.

DANEgerus on February 17, 2013 at 12:18 PM

So these hyenas approve of his murdering in cold blood that young woman and young man, which is how he started his murder spree.

VorDaj on February 17, 2013 at 12:19 PM

It’s getting increasingly hard to not go from cynical race-realist to flat-out actual racist. Rallying in support of a cop-killer and murderer is a big fat straw on a very overloaded camel for me. MLK must be spinning in his grave.

MelonCollie on February 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM

So these hyenas approve of his murdering in cold blood that young woman and young man, which is how he started his murder spree.

VorDaj on February 17, 2013 at 12:19 PM

“If You Want to Make an Omelet, You Must Be Willing to Break a Few Eggs.” — Lenin

Liam on February 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM

“When seconds count, the Police are only Minuets away”

SWalker

You can’t dance away from that fact!

Wander on February 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM

“I really, really believe he was innocent in the firing case,” Alaniz said of Dorner.

Alaniz held a sign that read, “Trying to clear your name.”

Based on???

I suspect: A hunch.

CW on February 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM

So, “dozens” of dopes is evidence of the nation going mad? I agree that a great multitude of idiots are out there, but really!

HiJack on February 17, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Well millions did elect Obama.

CW on February 17, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Scum.

elderberry on February 17, 2013 at 12:26 PM

There is no way the LAPD was going to let Dorner live.

redguy on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

You do realise that the LAPD was NOT involved in the shootout in Big Bear, don’t you?

Resist We Much on February 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM

SWalker on February 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Yeah yeah… Dorner was a hero trying to expose injustices and crimes by killing innocents unrelated to his villains

Cry me a river… In your mind the Joker shooting up the theater has just as much justification to avenge his injustices as well… Right?

Skywise on February 17, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Resist We Much on February 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Pretty good. Still doesn’t address a LE mentality that drives cops into firing on innocent civilians, who don’t resemble the perp, and in vehicles unlike that he is reported to be driving. Two separate incidents! Simple mistake? Sure. It does reinforce an image, though, given the LAPD history.

a capella on February 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM

That comment about not having any intention of bringing Dorner in alive was another common theme, and one which I saw reflected in my Twitter timeline many times through the final couple of days of the manhunt. It’s also one of the ones that I find the most confounding. The idea that law enforcement officials were somehow “hunting down” Dorner with the specific intention of killing him should be obviously preposterous on its face.

The fact that you apparently haven’t listened to the two (that I know of) recordings where the cops were caught planning to burn the cabin down is kind of amazing. Unless they’ve been debunked and I haven’t heard anything about it? Unless they have been, the fact that the cops denied setting the fire on purpose the next day should tell you all you need to know. It was deliberate and they know they were wrong for doing it. The cops had him cornered and could have gotten him out eventually but they specifically decided to burn him alive. That’s not justice. That’s vengeance.

I’m not a Dorner supporter but, as I’ve said before, because Dorner was wrong that doesn’t make the cops right.

Benaiah on February 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Californians, chase your leftwing legislators up to the hills into a flammable cabin..

TexasJew on February 17, 2013 at 11:14 AM

We would, but…..

California Environmental Regulation, Chapter 14, Sub-Chapter 3, Section 42, Line Item 63: Permits will be required to enter flammable cabins and then only on days where the Air Quality Management Board deems pollution levels to be within .091426 microns of state acceptance limits as set by the California State Legislature during special session. Permit waivers shall be granted at the discretion of the Flammable Cabin Assessment Sub-Committee of the Dry Wood Evaluation Board.

nico on February 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM

There is no way the LAPD was going to let Dorner live.

redguy on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

First of all, Dorner killed himself.

And as for the rest of your statement, I’ll let a poster from another forum try to explain things for you:

How do sympathizers and “justice defenders” conflate the LAPD with the San Bernardino County Sheriff and a homicidal Dorner as if its all one big issue?

They are not the same organizations. Dorner didn’t just shoot at innocent people, he shot and killed them. If the LAPD is reckless with gunfire then that is a Los Angeles government problem to correct…and has been for many years now. They did get one thing right…they fired Dorner. Would YOU want a Dorner type wearing a badge and policing your neighborhood?

Dorner had a huge amount of time to surrender, to rethink things and show some civility … he chose instead, on the last day, to kill a Sherrif’s Deputy detective and severely injure another.

Dorner acted as judge, jury and executioner himself … and some want to accord him righteousness? Sh*t! Even if his firing was improper, which I doubt given his homicidal antics, that did not justify his killing persons unrelated to his complaint, let alone his killing of anyone.

The man had just killed one man and wounded another on the day he died in that fire.

And the 2 cops he shot on his final day were not from the LAPD.

Del Dolemonte on February 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM

There is no way the LAPD was going to let Dorner live.

redguy on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

You do realise that the LAPD was NOT involved in the shootout in Big Bear, don’t you?

Resist We Much on February 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM

You would be surprised at how many people don’t know that!

Del Dolemonte on February 17, 2013 at 12:31 PM

What is the key phrase in the entire story?

Dozens of protesters

Not ‘hundreds’; not ‘thousands’ – dozens. This is a for-real news story nowadays. It truly is “all about The Narrative.”

ss396 on February 17, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Add in the fact Dorner reportedly telephoned Mr. Quan and taunted him about the murder of his daughter, and we have a complete picture of the kind of b*stard Dorner was.

Liam on February 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Dorner’s manifesto was basically a suicide note. There was never any way he was going to come out of this alive. His plan was suicide-by-cop, or just plain suicide.

juliesa on February 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Based on???

I suspect: A hunch.

CW on February 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Probably more like a wish or “he’s black, there’s all of this racism in the white-majority LAPD, and look at the history!”

Of course…

Whites are less than 1/3rd of the LAPD force and the Consent Decree was lifted in 2009 by a liberal Federal judge, who was appointed by Bill Clinton and found that the LAPD had made reforms that more than met the requirements of the DoJ.

It is also important to remember that Dorner not only had due process within the police system, he was afforded due process in the civil justice system with the right of appeal. In all instances, he was not able to prove his claims…in large part because 3 civilians testified that his partner did NOT kick or in any other way mistreat the white, disabled man.

This is one of those cases where Dorner is going to be given the benefit of the doubt by a segment of the population regardless of what the evidence proves. Because the case involved the LAPD, he is automatically the victim and the police are guilty until proven innocent. This is the reason that many of his followers called for the deaths of more police officers (I have numerous sample tweets of this sentiment on my blog).

The Depraved, Ghoulish Left Cheers On Dorner As Shootout Continues…Dead? Time To Riot?

The Cop Killer Lovers On The Left Send A Big, Wet, Sloppy Bar Rafaeli To Cop Killer

Resist We Much on February 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM

It seems my point-by-point posts sometimes get deleted. It’s not really possible to accurately assess the situation through “media” reports anyway. My only point is that he probably would never have gotten a chance to surrender, not that I think he would have. I’m glad I don’t have to live in LA.

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

You would be surprised at how many people don’t know that!

Del Dolemonte on February 17, 2013 at 12:31 PM

In this case, sadly, I haven’t been.

Resist We Much on February 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

A dozen trained guys with actual assault rifles and light body armor could cut power and water and hang around a day or two. He wasn’t going anywhere.

S. D. on February 17, 2013 at 11:46 AM

There is no way the LAPD was going to let Dorner live.
Dorner’s ego got the best of him. By publishing his “manifesto” he svrewed
up big time.
When you go up against the “establishment” best not to let your intentions be known.

redguy on February 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I’m not sure which one is dumber than the other.
This guy killed three innocent people and one innocent on scene. Yes, let’s just wait him out.
Now, for both of you. Dorner put a bullet in his own head. He killed himself, no LAPD hit squad to shut him up, jack@ss. He should have done everyone a favor and put that bullet in his head before he killed all those innocent people.

RovesChins on February 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

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