Who gets the million-dollar Dorner reward?

posted at 12:01 pm on February 15, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

When the LAPD offered a reward to find Christopher Dorner, they didn’t kid around.  The one million dollar reward was the largest offered for a domestic criminal in the US, a sign of just how badly they wanted to catch the triple murderer and self-proclaimed revolutionary. But now that Dorner’s remains have been positively identified in the burnt-out cabin in Big Bear, who gets to claim the reward?

CBS wonders whether it should go to Karen and Jim Reynolds, the two hostages that escaped and called 911, alerting law enforcement to Dorner’s location:

But even as some questions are answered, new ones emerge — now about that hefty $1 million reward offered in the case. It was the largest local reward ever offered, according to Los Angeles’ Chief of Police Charlie Beck, who announced the reward when the police were on high alert, the entire region nervously wondering where the next shooting might be.

Just two days later Dorner was cornered in a fiery gun battle that came just after two separate sightings reported to police.

Karen Reynolds with her husband Jim called 911 to report Dorner had tied them up and stolen their car, potentially making them good candidates for the money. Karen Reynolds said, “We didn’t even think about any of that until sitting around the sheriff’s station. We just kind of started joking about it.”

Another candidate could be the carjacking victim that preceded the Reynolds’ brief captivity:

Another possible candidate: Rick Heltebrake. He was carjacked by Dorner, and says he reported that immediately to a local sheriff’s deputy. Heltebrake said, “I called him directly. He goes, ‘Whatcha got, Rick?’ I said, ‘Paul, he just took my truck.’ “

However, none of them should plan any large cash purchases in the immediate future.  CBS also reports that the LAPD may not pay any reward at all — because Dorner didn’t get “captured and convicted”:

But it may not be who gets the reward, but whether anyone does. It may have been offered with a catch: capture and conviction.

Beck said at the time the reward was offered, “The reward is for the capture and conviction.”

No one is that bad at public relations, though — not even Los Angeles.  It won’t be the LAPD’s decision anyway.  Both the mayor and the chief of police punted the question to the coalition of 20 groups that put up the money for the reward.  I’m going to guess that they will split the reward between the three people who fingered Dorner to San Bernardino County deputies and the families of the two officers slain in the shootout that ended Dorner’s life.

CBS also follows up on the allegations that deputies deliberately torched the cabin to kill Dorner rather than capture him.  They verified the audio capturing the radio traffic that had deputies urging each other to burn Dorner out, but also note that the exchange took place four hours before the cabin caught fire, apparently from the teargas canisters used:

Let’s not forget that these officers were under hostile fire at the time, and had seen two of their fellow deputies shot by Dorner.  Emotions were running high, but they managed to restrain themselves for several hours before deploying the teargas.  This is a mighty slender thread on which to hang a conspiracy theory.

We’ll give the last word to Ta-Nehisi Coates (via Instapundit), who marvels at the sanctification of Dorner as a symbol of police reform, specifically for the LAPD … after shooting two people to death because one of them happened to seriously piss him off.  Isn’t that the kind of police behavior that we’d like to reform? “I don’t really know how anyone, with any sort of coherence, adopts Christopher Dorner as a symbol in the fight against police brutality, given how he brutalized those two human beings.”

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Ed, wasn’t he a quadruple murderer?

Christien on February 15, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Nevermind. At the time it was announced, you’re correct. Sorry.

Christien on February 15, 2013 at 12:05 PM

There’s a lot of screwy notions under contract law that can let the LAPD out as well.

The question is did the people know that the reward existed, and because of that did they “perform” with the reward in mind.

Contract law: The dumbest loophole in the history of rewards.

Washington Fancy on February 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Looks like some people are going to have to buy more lottery tickets. Seriously though, I don’t think anyone deserves the reward money.

Ward Cleaver on February 15, 2013 at 12:07 PM

ACORN?

sentinelrules on February 15, 2013 at 12:08 PM

It will be gifted back to the state to help pay down the deficit.

Gatsu on February 15, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Think CBS has time frame wrong.
Dorner carjacked the white pick-up after crashing the tied-up couples car.
Not sure on the timing of the calls, but the Game Wardens seem to know about the couples car prior to Dorner crashing it.
That would indicate their call was in and processed before the truck was jacked.

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 12:10 PM

We’ll give the last word to Ta-Nehisi Coates (via Instapundit), who marvels at the sanctification of Dorner as a symbol of police reform, specifically for the LAPD … after shooting two people to death because one of them happened to seriously piss him off.

To clarify, Dorner was pissed at the LAPD but none of his victims were employed by the LAPD. They were:

- the daughter of an LAPD Captain who represented Dorner 5 years ago in his disciplinary hearing, and her fiance’ of one week
- a Riverside County police officer
- a San Bernardino County Sheriff Deputy

He also wounded a Riverside County police officer and a San Bernardino County Sheriff Deputy. Both of whom are expected to live.

in_awe on February 15, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Opps. Looks like Ed had the timing wrong. Not CBS.
Sorry Ed.

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I don’t think they should get it. They went to the police because they were victims of crime. Rewards are to encourage people to come forward with info they wouldn’t normally come forward with.

Blake on February 15, 2013 at 12:15 PM

I think the poeple that killed him should be thanked for saving the taxpayers millions.

unseen on February 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM

capture and conviction

They helped with the first part, so in good faith, divvy up $500k and call it a day.

Christien on February 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I don’t care if they get the reward or not. But it’s a sure bet that if they do, many liberals are going to be screaming. I can easily imagine some lefties saying they should donate that ‘blood money’ to a charity–certainly one chosen by leftists.

Liam on February 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Entitlement society. No one should get any money. They called the police who confronted him.

Now if they had captured dorner and delivered him to the police….maybe I can see that…

nazo311 on February 15, 2013 at 12:19 PM

LAPD can write them an IOU just like their state does to Tax Refund receivers.

portlandon on February 15, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Beck said at the time the reward was offered, “The reward is for the capture and conviction.”

Tipsters have absolutely NO control over this.
The “contract law” argument does not work.
A savy legal beagle would simply say LE broke the contract by not capturing the guy. The tipster had help up their end.

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Should have just posted the reward as :Wanted dead or alive. would have saved on the red tape.

unseen on February 15, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I don’t think they should get it. They went to the police because they were victims of crime. Rewards are to encourage people to come forward with info they wouldn’t normally come forward with.

Blake on February 15, 2013 at 12:15 PM

The couple said they knew it was Dorner right away. He told them who he was. They may not have known about the reward, but they sure as h@ll wanted to let LE know that he had their car and was on the move.
The should get the reward.

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 12:26 PM

o/t

Rangel wants women to be drafted

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) on Friday said he plans to introduce legislation that would bring back the military draft and extend it to women for the first time.

Rangel, who has pushed for years to bring back the draft, said the Pentagon’s decision to allow women to serve in combat means that they too should register for the Selective Service.

“Now that women can serve in combat they should register for the Selective Service alongside their male counterparts,” Rangel said in a statement. “Reinstating the draft and requiring women to register for the Selective Service would compel the American public to have a stake in the wars we fight as a nation. We must question why and how we go to war, and who decides to send our men and women into harm’s way.”

http://thehill.com/video/house/283387-rangel-to-introduce-legislation-to-reinstating-the-draft-

Resist We Much on February 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Y’all cut it out. You’re going to get Benehana or whatever his name is, mad at us unfeeling unfelers, again.

Give the reward to the infact of the slain sheriff’s deputy.

kingsjester on February 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Yep, but the guy whose truck was jacked should receive a third. Motive for offering info is obviously irrelevant.

Christien on February 15, 2013 at 12:31 PM

But it may not be who gets the reward, but whether anyone does. It may have been offered with a catch: capture and conviction.

Beck said at the time the reward was offered, “The reward is for the capture and conviction.”

Ah, the fine print.

Bitter Clinger on February 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

“I don’t really know how anyone, with any sort of coherence, adopts Christopher Dorner as a symbol in the fight against police brutality, given how he brutalized those two human beings.”

The same idjits that nearly started a running race war over the Zimmerman-Martin affair.

starboardhelm on February 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Split it up between the families of the victims with the lion’s share set up as a trust for the infant child of the deputy who was killed.

Bishop on February 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Who owned the cabin that burned up?????

starboardhelm on February 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I think the reward should go to sensitivity training classes for the LAPD on race relations.

/Bishop

Paul-Cincy on February 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Give the reward to the infact of the slain sheriff’s deputy.

kingsjester on February 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Great idea, though that should be up to the tipsters, who could be gently encouraged to make a kind donation to victims/families.

Christien on February 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Who owned the cabin that burned up?????

starboardhelm on February 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Karen Reynolds with her husband Jim

Paul-Cincy on February 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Give the reward to the infact of the slain sheriff’s deputy.

kingsjester on February 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM

New life form discovered: Infacts.

Bishop on February 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Guess who quit smoking yesterday?

Chris Dorner.

John the Libertarian on February 15, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Yep, but the guy whose truck was jacked should receive a third. Motive for offering info is obviously irrelevant.

Christien on February 15, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Maybe.
But I think Kingjester just trumped both of us.

Give the reward to the infact of the slain sheriff’s deputy.

kingsjester on February 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Rangel wants women to be drafted

“Now that women can serve in combat they should register for the Selective Service alongside their male counterparts,” Rangel said in a statement. “Reinstating the draft and requiring women to register for the Selective Service would compel the American public to have a stake in the wars we fight as a nation. We must question why and how we go to war, and who decides to send our men and women into harm’s way.”

Resist We Much on February 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Rangel’s been pushing the draft for “equity” purposes. Bluntly put, he wants white suburban kids to be forced into military service since it would make it that much harder to engage in combat operations than when just inner-city poor people fight on the front lines. I’m not saying I agree with him but that is his motive.

We’ve had a volunteer military since the 1970s and have no need to change that, especially for the reasons that Rangel wants to reinstate the draft BUT I do think the gals should be required to register for the Selective Service. Otherwise, it essentially saying that males are subject to being called up for combat but not the females. Since proof of registration is necessary for a slew of things including federal employment, I think women should be treated the same as men.

Happy Nomad on February 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Bishop on February 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Hey…it’s rough, clicking back and forth between HA and writing reports for the Boss.:)

By the way, Hawkdriver is sure that lostmotherland is MJBrutus.

kingsjester on February 15, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Found the answer to who owns the cabin that burned:

http://bit.ly/WsH9eQ

Built in 1928, was movie set for several movies. Shame. They should also get some of the million.

starboardhelm on February 15, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Paul-Cincy on February 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Wrong. Those were the people in the condo, whose truck he stole.

starboardhelm on February 15, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The same idjits that nearly started a running race war over the Zimmerman-Martin affair.

starboardhelm on February 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Well, if Barak Obama had a son, he’d be just like Christopher Dorner.

Happy Nomad on February 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM

But it may not be who gets the reward, but whether anyone does. It may have been offered with a catch: capture and conviction.

Beck said at the time the reward was offered, “The reward is for the capture and conviction.”

Ah, the fine print.

Bitter Clinger on February 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Fine print like that dramatically increases my desire to cooperate with the police – NOT. Frankly saying, it was never too big. I need protection like fish needs a bicycle; as for the “serve” part, there are precious few who honestly do their job instead of being on a permanent power trip.

Archivarix on February 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Wrong. Those were the people in the condo, whose truck he stole.

starboardhelm on February 15, 2013 at 12:39 PM

My bad.

Paul-Cincy on February 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Well, if Barak Obama had a son, he’d be just like Christopher Dorner.

Happy Nomad on February 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM

No kidding. The similarities are striking. One kills the kids of people that pissed him off, the other doesn’t use drones to do it.

(You realize one of the US citizens killed by Bronco Bama’s drones was only 16?)

starboardhelm on February 15, 2013 at 12:51 PM

It will be gifted back to the state to help pay down the deficit.

Gatsu on February 15, 2013 at 12:10 PM

-
You owe me a coffee…

RalphyBoy on February 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Beck said at the time the reward was offered, “The reward is for the capture and conviction.”

Ah, the fine print.

Bitter Clinger on February 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Verbal Contract ?

Tipster has no control on how LE uses their tip. If it allows LE to find someone they previously could NOT find, it should be considered verified. The tipster can do no more.

Beck’s statement was terribly verbalised. Could easily be interpeted to justify vigilante bounty hunters going wild.
The reward was for the capture of this guy ? Really ?
I do not think he meant it that way.
It was for a tip the lead to the capture and conviction …

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Happy Nomad on February 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I’m very much aware of all that. How the American people will feel about their daughters having to sign up for the draft is another story altogether.

Resist We Much on February 15, 2013 at 1:00 PM

To share a chilling but effective approach to juries in death penalty cases, it goes something like this (speaking to the notion that Dorner was executed by police without a trial):

“There is one person in the courtroom who steadfastly believes in the death penalty and that’s the defendant. He (or she) believes in it and believes in carrying it out without a trial and (in this case if it applies) in spite of a plea by an innocent person to merely let them live.”

Dorner handed out four death sentences. If anyone executed anyone else in this sad mess, it was him.

IndieDogg on February 15, 2013 at 1:02 PM

[John the Libertarian on February 15, 2013 at 12:35 PM]

So is that a pro- or anti-PSA on smoking?

Dusty on February 15, 2013 at 1:04 PM

The reward that was offered came from private citizens, police “benevolence” organizations, corporations, etc. There were several dozen involved. No County or City (ie public funds) donated money.

The city & county of LA has ZERO say as to who gets the money.

The people who donated the money are getting together to determine if & how the money is to be split up. IIRC there are nearly 50 entities involved.

SpudmanWP on February 15, 2013 at 1:06 PM

How about giving it to the families of the two dead cops? They were both veterans and both have wives and young children.

Captain Kirock on February 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM

My spelling has been terrible today.
Sorry to all who have suffered through it.

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM

The people who donated the money are getting together to determine if & how the money is to be split up. IIRC there are nearly 50 entities involved.

SpudmanWP on February 15, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I’m sure the politicians are also dying to tax the reward money if it is dispersed.

Liam on February 15, 2013 at 1:10 PM

My bad, LA city and county both contributed 100k… they still do not get a majority say as to whom gets the reward

SpudmanWP on February 15, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Much more than a $1 mill was saved in court trial costs and gray bar lodging, dish it out…

hillsoftx on February 15, 2013 at 1:12 PM

The driver of the truck that was jacked has said that he will share whatever he gets with the victim’s families.

SpudmanWP on February 15, 2013 at 1:13 PM

I’m very much aware of all that. How the American people will feel about their daughters having to sign up for the draft is another story altogether.

Resist We Much on February 15, 2013 at 1:00 PM

If women don’t have to sign up for Selective Service then we might as well admit that opening (primarily combat-related) jobs to them was a dumb idea born of political correctness and not national security. I don’t imagine a parent would want to see any child get called up to go in harm’s way but if women can directly serve in combat roles then they must be subject to being drafted as well.

Not that there is any real likelihood of a new draft. Government can’t spend the kind of money it takes to train new recruits in a high-tech military with a force composed of individuals who do not want to be there.

Happy Nomad on February 15, 2013 at 1:24 PM

LA city and county both contributed 100k… they still do not get a majority say as to whom gets the reward

SpudmanWP on February 15, 2013 at 1:11 PM

LA was warning of looming bankruptcy just last July. Yet they managed to find $100K for this???

Happy Nomad on February 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

..loop holes only pertain… to government!

KOOLAID2 on February 15, 2013 at 1:28 PM

LA was warning of looming bankruptcy just last July. Yet they managed to find $100K for this???

Happy Nomad on February 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Each day of looking for him cost more than that.
Remember, they were also providing extra protection for those the guy targeted.
Money well spent. If spent.

Jabberwock on February 15, 2013 at 1:59 PM

This is all silly. The people should waive the dispute if the agencies direct the money to the families of those that were killed. They didn’t do anything but report being crime vicitims of someone who happened to be Donner. It sucks they are victims, but if they weren’t physically injured, be a stand up human being and direct the money to the estates of those murdered.

hayekorbust on February 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Why didnt seal team 6 and the pakistani doctor get the $25 million reward?

paulsur on February 15, 2013 at 2:01 PM

The owners who were tied up and finally escape should get the million, after all they need to rebuild the cabin that was burned down.

mixplix on February 15, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Government employees are not eligible.

Not sure about the doctor. He was totally screwed by BOB when he was named. They should have taken him out of Pakistan.

SpudmanWP on February 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM

The tied up couple happened in a condo, not the cabin that ended in fire. Two different locations.

SpudmanWP on February 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM

My bet: Nobody. LA doesn’t have a million bucks to waste on rewards, they have to fund green energy!

mojo on February 15, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Only 1000k came from LA, the rest came from private people/companies and police unions.

SpudmanWP on February 15, 2013 at 2:40 PM

The reward was just Boob-bait for the Bubba’s -
the LAPD never was going to let Dorner see the inside of a booking cell.

Another Drew on February 15, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Split it up between the families of the victims with the lion’s share set up as a trust for the infant child of the deputy who was killed.

Bishop on February 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Yeah. This is the right idea. Keep the deductible on your car insurance if you need to, but donate that cash where it needs to go. Though, one would hope that the police department provides decent life insurance such that the child is provided for already.

TexasDan on February 15, 2013 at 3:30 PM