North Korea to China: Two more nuclear tests this year

posted at 8:41 am on February 15, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

If you liked the way the new year started in North Korea, you’re gonna love 2013.  Reuters reports this morning that Pyongyang has told China it will conduct one or even two more nuclear tests this year and another long-range missile mission.  They want to break up the six-nation talks and force the US to negotiate directly with the Kim regime:

North Korea has told its key ally, China, that it is prepared to stage one or even two more nuclear tests this year in an effort to force the United States into diplomatic talks with Pyongyang, said a source with direct knowledge of the message.

Further tests could also be accompanied this year by another rocket launch, said the source who has direct access to the top levels of government in both Beijing and Pyongyang.

The isolated regime conducted its third nuclear test on Tuesday, drawing global condemnation and a stern warning from the United States that it was a threat and a provocation.

“It’s all ready. A fourth and fifth nuclear test and a rocket launch could be conducted soon, possibly this year,” the source said, adding that the fourth nuclear test would be much larger than the third at an equivalent of 10 kilotons of TNT.

The tests will be undertaken, the source said, unless Washington holds talks with North Korea and abandons its policy of what Pyongyang sees as attempts at regime change.

Were we pursuing a policy of regime change?  We’d probably like that, but that sounds more like paranoia.  During the Bush administration, that seemed much more the case, as the direction of US policy recognized that North Korea had already gone nuclear, and that the issue was now the leaders with their fingers on the button. Remember Bush’s “axis of evil” remark?  The Obama administration has taken a much softer tone while trying to keep the six-nation talks in process, and not having any more luck at that than Bush.

Ted Galen Carpenter argues at the Washington Post that we should stop trying to undo the nuclearization of North Korea and learn to live with it:

For years, we’ve tried carrots and, more often, sticks with the Hermit Kingdom, to little avail. Even the 1994 agreement between Washington and Pyongyang that temporarily froze Kim Jong Il’s plutonium program did not really constrain the regime — it merely shifted to a parallel uranium-enrichment program. And North Korea has conducted two previous nuclear tests, in 2006 and 2009.

It’s time for a new approach. After all, the only thing more dangerous than a North Korea with nuclear weapons is a nuclear-armed North Korea with which the United States has no productive relationship. The nation might become a supermarket for nuclear technology, weapons components and even fully assembled nuclear weapons, available to any purchaser. Washington and its allies need to accept that it may be too dangerous to try to isolate a nuclear power instead of trying to establish a constructive relationship.

In a scenario with no good options, we may have to learn to live with a nuclear-armed North Korea. …

Hawks will cry, “Appeasement!” But we can’t lose perspective. North Korea’s embryonic nuclear arsenal and slowly improving missile capabilities cannot directly menace the American homeland. The United States has thousands of sophisticated nuclear warheads that are generations ahead of anything the North can muster. Pyongyang’s leaders would have to be suicidal to assault the United States. Although members of North Korea’s elite are brutal and ruthless, they aren’t that crazy. What strategists call “primary deterrence,” or preventing an attack on U.S. shores, remains as effective and credible as ever.

In other words, we can still go MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), the containment strategy that prevailed in the Cold War.  While that isn’t really an option with Iran, which is pursuing its nuclear weapons with non-rational goals in mind, it might be with Pyongyang.  However, Carpenter is wrong to assume that North Korea can’t threaten the US just because we can destroy them in return, and we may not really be their target.  Japan has more to fear from a nuclear North Korea than the US, and I doubt they’re as sanguine about MAD as Carpenter seems to be.

The question will be whether simply normalizing relations with Pyongyang through direct negotiations will solve the problem, as Carpenter argues.  I’d guess that North Korea will not be satisfied until the US packs up and leaves South Korea to defend itself, and perhaps Japan as well.  That’s why it would be a very bad idea to end the six-nation-talks approach while the Kim regime rattles its sabers, and keep the pressure where it belongs.  After all, if they are as rational as Carpenter assumes, we have nothing to fear from taking that approach.


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I’m thinking “nuts” would be an appropriate response.

Eloquent, concise, and effective.

All things our diplomats are incapable of today.

BobMbx on April 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Rumours like this have surfaced in the testimony of several defectors coming from North Korea. Whether they are true or not – and we may never know – the fact that they circulate and are believed illustrates the level of hunger, deprivation and fear in parts of the country that marked the Great Famine.

When a million people are starved to death, it’s a near certainty that some will resort to cannibalism.

RadClown on April 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Obama reminding lil kim that he’s got big balls of brass.

nonpartisan on April 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Umm… John Kerry said they had ballistic nuclear missiles…

Seems the Norks want us to treat them as such.

Frankly the smart move would’ve had Obama calling for them to submit to UN regulations regarding nuclear states before any further talks can go forward…

But y’know I’m just a gun ownin’ redneck conservative and don’t understand such complexities like the lightbringer…

Skywise on April 24, 2013 at 5:38 PM

North Korea is pretty much never going to be taken seriously again, after the last months, unless they actually go to war with someone. The shrill and hysterical rhetoric was basically open threats of nuclear war and they are clearly backing down.

Doomberg on April 24, 2013 at 5:41 PM

If the REB accepts this as he eventually will, Japan has no choice but to build nuclear weapons.

slickwillie2001 on April 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM

North Korea wants to be recognized as a NUCKED country? Someone can make that a fact but not Obama.

meci on April 24, 2013 at 5:46 PM

I say just we do it, already. We wouldn’t want them to nuke us out of frustration over common misconceptions of their nation and culture.

abobo on April 24, 2013 at 5:46 PM

seriously? With THOSE hats?!

kirkill on April 24, 2013 at 5:53 PM

“I heard that people sold and ate human flesh,” says Chanyang Joo. “I heard they were killing other family’s babies and selling the flesh after burying the head and fingers.”

Kermit Gosnell’s defense: he thought he was in North Korea.

rbj on April 24, 2013 at 5:55 PM

seriously? With THOSE hats?!

Nice accessories to the platform boots they wear.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Kermit Gosnell’s defense: he thought he was in North Korea.

Considering his work environment, that would be an easy mistake to make.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Years ago, I read the nonfiction book by William Craig upon which the film of the same title ‘Enemy At the Gates’ was based. After the German defeat at Stalingrad, some German POWs in Siberia became mad with hunger and resorted to cannibalism. These starving prisoners started roving in packs, scavenging for fresh corpses, but soon began attacking other prisoners. Eventually, (still-sane) German officers and NCOs convinced the Russians to give them crowbars so that they could organize and systematically hunt down the cannibals. Until now, that was one of the worst substantiated true stories I knew about.

The horror story that is North Korea just goes on and on. I can’t think of a single people in the history of the world–at least in modern history–who has suffered more than they have.

troyriser_gopftw on April 24, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Well, looks like they will have to drop one on somebody.

jake49 on April 24, 2013 at 6:12 PM

I wonder how much those North Korean military hats weigh?

bw222 on April 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Well, looks like they will have to drop one on somebody.

They do that, and the Norks will likely get full recognition ….probably more than they’re demanding.

hawkeye54 on April 24, 2013 at 6:35 PM

North Korea may be the biggest casualty of the Boston Bombing and the manhunt for the terrorist. It sure wiped their ranting’s right out of the media news cycle, and now, nobody gives a crap.

Wallythedog on April 24, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Obama should announce that NK does not know the first thing about nuclear power, their whole country is always without electricity.

KenInIL on April 24, 2013 at 7:36 PM

U.S. rejects NorKs’ demand for recognition as a nuclear state

Setting off a few tons of TNT underground doesn’t merit such recognition-whatever that means anyway.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 25, 2013 at 12:19 AM

Well they DO demand that they be called the DEMOCRATIC People’s Republic of Korea.
And in similar fashion we have a DEMOCRATIC Party that is lead by a narcissitic twit a.k.a King Putt.

There was a diplomatic message sent to Washington from Little Kim Jong-un that read: We will destroy America, its spirit and their economy.
Our Dear Liar, President Present replied back: Too Late!

Remember when he leaves office in Janurary 2015 … HIDE ALL OF THE TELEPROMPTERS. OK?

Missilengr on April 25, 2013 at 3:59 PM