Breaking: Hagel filibustered — barely; Update: Rand Paul getting hammered by Ron fans for voting no

posted at 5:21 pm on February 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

He was one vote short. Republicans Cochran, Collins, and Johanns had all already committed to voting yes so the only mystery was whether Reid could find two more GOPers to cross the aisle. He found one: As expected, Murkowski ended up erring on the side of bipartisanship. Orrin Hatch voted present, which may or may not be his way of signaling that he’ll vote for Hagel when they try this again in a few weeks but not right now. But wait — what about Rand Paul? If ever there was a SecDef nominee whom the Ron Paul paleocon fan base could sort of dig, it’s a guy known for lamenting the “Israel lobby” and opposing Iran sanctions. Result:

Philip Klein, tongue in cheek, calls him today’s neocon hero. Paul’s going to catch endless crap for this from his dad’s supporters so I assume he’s a soft “no” on Hagel, not a hard “no” like Ted Cruz, and will vote yes next time once Hagel/the White House fulfills whatever condition he’s set for switching. That would be in keeping with his M.O. lately in trying to triangulate between mainstream righties and Paulworld. He’ll vote for Hagel, but only after he’s voted against him. We’ll see.

Oh, speaking of conditions for voting yes, the White House finally got back to McCain and Graham about their questions on Benghazi. Turns out that no, Obama never once called Libya’s president on the night an American ambassador was being murdered at the consulate. It was Hillary who took the 3 a.m. phone call. But then, in fairness, Obama was busy that night: He had a campaign event in Vegas to get ready for the next day.

Almost forgot: The reason the vote was 58/40 instead of 59/39 is because Reid switched his vote at the last minute. Procedurally, he has to vote no in order to be eligible to ask for another vote in a week or two. And at the moment, there’s no reason to believe Hagel won’t finally clear cloture when that happens.

Update: As expected, Rand’s got some triangulatin’ to do:

That explanation wasn’t good enough for Justin Raimondo, editorial director of Antiwar.com and a strong supporter of Ron Paul. “It’s time for libertarians to treat Rand Paul like the turncoat he is: boycott,” Raimondo tweeted. “No $$, no support, & start calling him Paul the Lesser.”…

Scott McConnell, one of the [American Conservative]’s founding editors, went a step further: “If Rand Paul persists on going demagogic on Hagel, he will have established beyond any serious doubt that regardless of who his father is, he is Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin’s boy.”…

Guardian blogger Glenn Greenwald, a liberal who has been sympathetic to the Pauls, complained, “Any hope Rand Paul was going to usher in some sort of new foreign policy in the GOP has just been torpedoed by his NO vote on Hagel cloture.”

How can he atone? Goodwill visit to Iran, maybe?


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“Haggleing over “ear marks” to vote for Hagle.”

All of them show signs of the ear mark of the devil if you ask We the People, it be we,,, who will end up paying the bills these money cult made members have run up on U.S..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Ooooh missed it by that much! So sorry hagel.

can_con on February 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Good job. This guy is a menace.

crrr6 on February 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM

BEND OVER BARRY, AND SAY “AHHHHHH!”

GarandFan on February 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Let’s face it. American Jews would rather see Israel overrun by rapacious savage hordes rather than vote against President Platitude.

pat on February 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM

The fact that Hagel got this far, quite honestly, casts serious doubt upon Nebraska voters for putting this dingbat into office in the first place.

KingGold on February 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM

These bums will end up confirming this incompetent dolt in order to keep their little club together. This country is sick and I for one feel like throwing up my hands and telling it to go to hell.

rplat on February 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Breaking: Hagel filibustered — barely
posted at 5:21 pm on February 14, 2013 by Allahpundit
He was one vote short. Republicans Cochran, Collins, and Johanns had all already committed to voting yes so the only mystery was whether Reid could find two more GOPers to cross the aisle. He found one: As expected, Murkowski ended up erring on the side of bipartisanship. Orrin Hatch voted present

…everyone of them a true piece of sh!t!…I would like to throw… feces at!

KOOLAID2 on February 14, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Let’s face it. American Jews would rather see Israel overrun by rapacious savage hordes rather than vote against President Platitude.

pat on February 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM

They’re afflicted with the disease known as liberalism.

It causes many to support Dorner’s killings of innocent people.

sentinelrules on February 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM

l. But then, in fairness, Obama was busy that night: He had a campaign event in Vegas to get ready for the next day.

I seem to remember how big a deal it was that Obama was going to be the first connected President with his super secret blackberry. Ah those were good times.

I guess he forgot to charge it that day.

can_con on February 14, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Orrin Hatch voted present, which may or may not be his way of signaling that he’ll vote for Hagel when they try this again in a few weeks but not right now.

So its all been arranged between the Republican-Democratic best buddies and Hatch will later vote yes, giving time for his fellow Republicans to strut back and forth striving for some lost credibility?

Shocking that the American public have such a low opinion of these folks. /

sharrukin on February 14, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Wow, imagine if Romney had this information during the debates. “Mr president, one question, did you even personally speak with the Libyan President the night of the attack? If not what were you doing at the time that was more important?” Amazing that this little creep Obama got reelected.

Zetterson on February 14, 2013 at 5:35 PM

These bums will end up confirming this incompetent dolt in order to keep their little club together. This country is sick and I for one feel like throwing up my hands and telling it to go to hell.

rplat on February 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Isn’t it really up to us then to call/email/write to the appropriate representative and tell them we are watching and that we have long memories?

They aren’t elected forever and swamping their staff on a regular basis with complaints about their performance might at least serve notice.

kim roy on February 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM

See?
The Joooos strike again!

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on February 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Murkowski ended up erring on the side of bipartisanship democrats – like she always does.

Murkowski is a cancer.

Pork-Chop on February 14, 2013 at 5:37 PM

The fact that Hagel got this far, quite honestly, casts serious doubt upon Nebraska voters for putting this dingbat into office in the first place.

KingGold on February 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Explain to us the virtues of blue State republicans and how they are better than blue state democrats again.

portlandon on February 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Well I have to give credit when it is due, thanks r’s! I didn’t think you had it in you? Now we will see if YOU MEAN it?

Wonder if bho is throwing something at the walls with this news? NO one dares buck him you know?
L

letget on February 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM

I see Allahpundit is really flogging the Hagel will make it meme, Perhaps to incite a little blowback and scotch the deal?

Lonetown on February 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Hey remember when getting more yes votes than no votes used to mean something in the senate

me neither

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM

SecDef Hagel’s list of things to do:

1. Never speak in front of Congress again.

2. Give all military secrets to Muslim Brotherhood.

3. Purge Jews from Pentagon.

4. Change all nuclear weapon target coordinates to that country that begins with “I”.

darwin on February 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Think of it via the numbers.

If you add up all the U.S. House, Senate, paid staff and all the State Houses, Senates, Govorners, the staff there, add in most of the leaders of the cities and towns and school board, all of the Democrat and Republican precicent chairs, all of the ones who go to the national , state conventions all of the paid staff of the two parties.

Make all of them pay 90% tax bracket for a 100 years it would be a drop in the buckett on paying the $20 Trillion current debt let along the unfunded $40 Trillion on top of that.

So, it is U.S. who pays and they who run the con, we are the marks.

Just vote no.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM

He had a campaign event in Vegas to get ready for the next day.

I can almost taste the republican tears.

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM

I see Allahpundit is really flogging the Hagel will make it meme, Perhaps to incite a little blowback and scotch the deal?

Lonetown on February 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Probably. Allahpundit is very influential in DC.

Mark1971 on February 14, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Let’s face it. American Jews would rather see Israel overrun by rapacious savage hordes rather than vote against President Platitude.

pat on February 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM

ain’t that the truth. Democrats are basically a collection of, oftentimes, adversarial special interest groups: jews vs. muslims/Israel haters, gays vs blacks/hispanics, hispanics vs. blacks, unions vs. greens.

American Jews, however, are almost as culturally brainwashed into voting D as blacks. A Democrat president could withdraw any support for Israel and they’d still vote for him.

crrr6 on February 14, 2013 at 5:42 PM

“Filibustered – BARELY” – Allahpundit

….what? Disappointed that it happened at ALL, Allahpundit?

Certainly no JOY in that headline…..as there SHOULD BE!

williamg on February 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

By one vote?

Next time around…in a couple weeks, the contagion of being nice and all bipartisan and stuff will overwhelm them all and Hagel will be confirmed by a landslide.

This blind adherence to “bipartisanship” in both the House and the Senate from the Republican side is what got this Nation in its present mess and will be the death of the Republic a lot sooner than most can even fathom.

The Dems are salivating like a couple Chicago street hustlers looking at that fresh-faced young couple bursting with money, never been to the big city before…yep, sheep to the slaughter.

Probably approve the whole new Sequester 2.0 tomorrow at this rate…give the Dems a whole new “revenue stream” and let them spend it all overnight…and rest assured, they will be back for more…revenue…that is money out of your pocket and mine…and there is precious little we can do about it. Wouldn’t be “bipartisan” to try to stop them.

Eunuchs. Every damn Republican on the Hill. Eunuchs, all.

coldwarrior on February 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Ooooh missed it by that much! So sorry hagel.

can_con on February 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Nice. RIP, Agent 86.

Christien on February 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

I can almost taste the republican tears.

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM

One day you will taste your own.

darwin on February 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Notwithstanding the whining from the MSM, stopping Hagel now was smart policy and smart politics.

In this business you never know what is around the corner. Sometimes delay ushers in a tremendous change of circumstance.

Those who say “just get it over with” are wrong on substance and wrong on tactics. Every day we can drag out ANY Obama accomplishment gets us one day closer to January 20, 2017.

matthew8787 on February 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Let’s face it. American Jews would rather see Israel overrun by rapacious savage hordes rather than vote against President Platitude.

pat on February 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Not all of us would.

Unfortunately, many members of the tribe vote against their own self-interest. It’s even more frustrating members of one’s own family do so.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on February 14, 2013 at 5:44 PM

If, as the Government claims, the drone over Benghazi was unarmed, you can bet that crew suffered greatly not having the weapons to make a difference as they helplessly watched the action unfold beneath them, their drone feed going nowhere important because the President of the United States was getting ready to visit the Cashman Center in Las Vegas and nobody else had the balls to act.

Now, I can’t imagine that such an award would exceed the honor attaching to a Bronze Star, but I can imagine an award which is a bit more than a Meritorious Unit Citation — quite a bit more.

unclesmrgol on February 14, 2013 at 12:20 AM

I can almost taste the republican tears.

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM

I bet you can. Democrats live on the tears of the American people.

unclesmrgol on February 14, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Whatever. One Little Eichmann or another Little Eichmann. They’re all Little Eichmanns.

hisfrogness on February 14, 2013 at 5:45 PM

The Kraken has been launched! Obama is on the run! Er, 58-40? Nevermind.

HopeHeFails on February 14, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Certainly no JOY in that headline…..as there SHOULD BE!

williamg on February 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

He should’ve put it in Drudge Red or something, at least.

Christien on February 14, 2013 at 5:45 PM

The fact that Hagel got this far, quite honestly, casts serious doubt upon Nebraska voters for putting this dingbat into office in the first place.

KingGold on February 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Explain to us the virtues of blue State republicans and how they are better than blue state democrats again.

portlandon on February 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Stuart Smalley.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Kabuki……nothing less…….

dddave on February 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Heres the Roll Call,it just popped up:)
**************************************

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 113th Congress – 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Nomination of Charles Timothy Hagel, of Nebraska, to be Secretary of Defense )
***********

Vote Number:

21

Vote Date:

February 14, 2013, 04:17 PM

Required For Majority:

3/5

Vote Result:

Cloture Motion Rejected

Nomination Number:

PN34

Nomination Description:

Charles Timothy Hagel, of Nebraska, to be Secretary of Defense

Vote Counts:

YEAs

58

NAYs

40

Present

1

Not Voting

1

lphabetical by Senator Name

Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Ayotte (R-NH), Nay
Baldwin (D-WI), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Yea
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Nay
Boozman (R-AR), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Coats (R-IN), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Cowan (D-MA), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
Cruz (R-TX), Nay
Donnelly (D-IN), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fischer (R-NE), Nay
Flake (R-AZ), Nay

Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Hagan (D-NC), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Present
Heinrich (D-NM), Yea
Heitkamp (D-ND), Yea
Heller (R-NV), Nay
Hirono (D-HI), Yea
Hoeven (R-ND), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Johanns (R-NE), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Johnson (R-WI), Nay
Kaine (D-VA), Yea
King (I-ME), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Manchin (D-WV), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Merkley (D-OR), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Moran (R-KS), Nay

Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murphy (D-CT), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Paul (R-KY), Nay
Portman (R-OH), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Risch (R-ID), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schatz (D-HI), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Scott (R-SC), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Toomey (R-PA), Nay
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Not Voting
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Warren (D-MA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00021

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM

matthew8787 on February 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Sometimes delay ushers in a tremendous change of circumstance.

277 Republicans on the Hill and there is not a pair of stones among them…there will be no change in those circumstances.

coldwarrior on February 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Murkowski is a cancer.

Pork-Chop on February 14, 2013 at 5:37 PM

and the gop allowed her to metastasize.

renalin on February 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM

sn’t it really up to us then to call/email/write to the appropriate representative and tell them we are watching and that we have long memories?

They aren’t elected forever and swamping their staff on a regular basis with complaints about their performance might at least serve notice.

kim roy on February 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I’m with the spirit of your post, however, they couldn’t give two shats what their constituency thinks. See–> McCain on amnesty.

Mr. Arrogant on February 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM

58 Senators didn’t recognize this guy as a train wreck? That’s frightening.

Nethicus on February 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I can almost taste the republican tears.

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM

How about the tears of Ambassador Stevens’s family? Do those taste extra-salty?

Good Solid B-Plus on February 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Racists, every one of you. Just another case of Whitey being kept down by the Man.

Bishop on February 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Anger on Planet Ronulan today. lol

cicerone on February 14, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Murkowski is a cancer.

Pork-Chop on February 14, 2013 at 5:37 PM

That’s why the R’s supported her, she’s a good friend of the Dems.
She had a lot of RINO support against Miller. That’s the reason.

bluefox on February 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Unfortunately, many members of the tribe vote against their own self-interest. It’s even more frustrating members of one’s own family do so.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on February 14, 2013 at 5:44 PM

As a Catholic, I can relate. Liberalism is their first religion above all else. At least if you’re not a practicing Catholic you’re less likely to identify yourself as a Catholic than a Jew identifying himself as a Jewish.

Of course, many in my family will call themselves practicing Catholics and vote for the first post-natal, pro-abortion president in US history without giving it a second thought.

crrr6 on February 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM

thanks Canopfor. I just can’t wait for the votes again in 10 days. Oi

CoffeeLover on February 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM

I see Allahpundit is really flogging the Hagel will make it meme, Perhaps to incite a little blowback and scotch the deal?

Lonetown on February 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM

When Allahpundit reads that he is going to shake his head in confusion and disbelief that anyone at HotAir could or would make such a presumptively ignorant and foolish a statement, then he will get up from his computer and go try to steal one of his Newcastle Ales back from his cat.

There will be much cursing and flying of fur and when he get’s back to his computer he will be pissed off and will scold you something fierce. (I’m pretty sure that Allahpundit’s cat has never lost a “Give me my beer back” battle hence the reason allahpundit will be in a really bad mood) o_O

SWalker on February 14, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Hey remember when getting more yes votes than no votes used to mean something in the senate

me neither

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Hey remember when Congress was supposed to be consulted and honored by the POTUS rather than being pushed aside?

Remember when Gitmo was Torture Central?

Remember when killing foreign civilians with airstrikes was a war crime?

Remember when drones were only used to kill foreigners?

Me neither.

Bishop on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

58 Senators didn’t recognize this guy as a train wreck? That’s frightening.

Nethicus on February 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM

They’re not going to show up Pharaoh Obama. If competency and qualifications were job requirements for them, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

crrr6 on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

The good news is Hagel has two weeks to hit those Secretary of Defense flash cards real hard and learn all about Defense Secretarying.

Lily on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

*******************UnPrecedented Sumpin***********************

Obama calls filibuster for cabinet position ‘unprecedented’ in live Google Hangout – @AntDeRosa

6 mins ago from live.reuters.com by editor

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

I can almost taste the republican tears.

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:41 PM

I think that the American people have a RIGHT TO KNOW that their Commander-in-Chief was AWOL (as was their Secretary of State) and went to bed after being told that Ambassador Stevens was missing and there was an ongoing assault.

That’s FAR worse than Bush finishing “My Pet Goat” to a class of kindergarteners.

We also deserve the truth on the gun-running and, yes, it is happening. I wrote about it on numerous occasions some time back, including this:

Obama sent for the Seals that killed Osama. They did their job. We know what happened to them.

When Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith and 2 former Seals, Tyrone Woods and Glenn Dougherty, called for help, Obama did NOTHING.

Chris Stevens was meeting with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin in Benghazi on the night of his death. Turkey was not pleased that both Qaddafi and American-made weapons, including Stingers, were making their way to the al Qaeda-affiliated rebels in Syria. Neither were the Russians and Iranians, who are on the side of the Assad regime.

5 days before the attack, a Libyan ship, the Entisa, linked with Al-Qaeda jihadists like Abdelhakim Belhadj, had Stingers and other weapons onboard. The purpose was to get weapons into the hands of Syrian jihadists, known to be dominated by Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

This ship was stopped at the Turkish port of Iskanderun, 35 miles from the Syrian border. They did not want the weapons going forward into Syria, but high-ranking US officials pleaded. The transport was released under duress.

The following week, Stevens was assassinated. There are 4 groups that do not want a Fast & Furious for Syria: The Turks, the Syrians, the Iranians, and the Russians.

Mr Obama may wish to watch his own back considering the Frankenstein he created.

Karma is such a vengeful bytch.

8 November 2011

Yes, we definitely deserve the truth and demanding such is not theater. I remember when there was an entire commission set up to investigate the first 9/11.

Resist We Much on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Hey remember when getting more yes votes than no votes used to mean something in the senate

me neither

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Tell that to Robert Bork, John Bolton, etc, etc. You guys invented the appointment filibuster. Own it.

crrr6 on February 14, 2013 at 5:56 PM

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

At this point my good friend from the frozen North, I truly do not care who or what Obama calls anything, unless he calls it quits.

:(

coldwarrior on February 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM

58 Senators didn’t recognize this guy as a train wreck? That’s frightening.

Nethicus on February 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM

^^^This^^^

Times a million.

JPeterman on February 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM

The dog and pony show never ends. This is nothing but a show. He will be confirmed in due time. Pubs. and Dems. Not a damn bit of difference in them. They know how stooooopid we are. They merely have to look at themselves to know how dumb we are for electing them over and over and over. A republic cannot survive with the voting population being dumb as a rock. I give us no more than 20 yrs., probably less, before we are all living under full blown Socialism or worse.

they lie on February 14, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Remember when drones were only used to kill foreigners?

Me neither.

Bishop on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Bishop:

The FAA are setting up,Drone Bases:)
====================================

FAA seeks proposals to create six US drone test sites

WASHINGTON | Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:17pm EST

(Reuters) – The Federal Aviation Administration on Thursday asked for proposals to develop six research and test sites for unmanned aircraft systems, or drones, around the United States.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/14/us-usa-drones-idUSBRE91D1HH20130214

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Obama calls filibuster for cabinet position ‘unprecedented’ in live Google Hangout – @AntDeRosa

6 mins ago from live.reuters.com by editor

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

That’s why they call them precedents, they have to start somewhere. Bark can piss off.

Bishop on February 14, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Obama calls filibuster for cabinet position ‘unprecedented’ in live Google Hangout – @AntDeRosa

Er, no. It was NOT unprecedented.

1. Democrats filibustered John Bolton.

2. Democrats rejected the nomination 53-47 for Secretary of Defence of a newly-elected President, GHW Bush, in 1989. Senator John Tower’s nomination to become Secretary of Defence was the first time that the Senate had rejected a cabinet nominee of a newly elected president.

The post of Secretary of Defence was left vacant for 3 months.

We can also talk about Miguel Estrada, who Bush had nominated to the DC Ct of Ap (not a cabinet position, but unprecedented)…

Estrada, who had received a unanimous “well-qualified” rating from the American Bar Association (which is not a conservative or even libertarian-leading organisation. I know. I have been a member), was filibustered SEVEN TIMES in 6 months.

“On March 6, 2003, there was the first of seven failed cloture votes on Estrada. Fifty-five senators voted to end debate on his nomination and allow a final confirmation vote, and forty-four senators voted not to end debate. After twenty-eight months in political limbo and a protracted six-month battle using the filibuster, Estrada withdrew his name from further consideration on September 4, 2003.”

Resist We Much on February 14, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Resist We Much on February 14, 2013 at 6:00 PM

You know facts mean nothing anymore. It is messaging that counts.

[For the record, we, the United States, has been unPresidented since January 2009.]

coldwarrior on February 14, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Murkowski is a cancer.

Pork-Chop on February 14, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Collins is worse. No republicans voted for Obamacare. Three voted for Dodd-Frank (Collins, Snowe and Brown). Dodd is gone. Frank is gone. Snowe is gone. Brown is gone. Over 100 community banks gone. Yet Collins is still there.

monalisa on February 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Maybe Obama can declare the Senate in recess this weekend and just appoint him? No? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram

Reid says “watching the tea party” helping filibuster Hagel “is one of the saddest spectacles I have witnessed in my 27 years in the Senate.

JPeterman on February 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

At this point my good friend from the frozen North, I truly do not care who or what Obama calls anything, unless he calls it quits.

:(

coldwarrior on February 14, 2013 at 5:57 PM

coldwarrior:Good to see ya,and,

I do agree,with all of Obama’s DEMONIZING,he is one to talk:)

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Hey remember when getting more yes votes than no votes used to mean something in the senate

me neither

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Do you know the history of cloture?

It was the idea of a Progressive Democrat President, Woodrow Wilson.

Only 5 Presidents have ever had a filibuster-proof Senate for any length of time. They are:

1. Wilson (67 votes were needed)
2. FDR (67 votes were needed)
3. LBJ (67 votes were needed)
4. Carter (60 votes were needed)
5. Obama (60 votes were needed)

In 1975, the Democratic Senate majority, having achieved a net gain of four seats in the 1974 Senate elections to a strength of 61 (with an additional Independent caucusing with them for a total of 62), reduced the necessary supermajority to three-fifths (60 out of 100).

Of course, I’m completely UNSURPRISED that you are totally IGNORANT of the history of cloture. It is par for the course for Obama’s LoInFos.

Resist We Much on February 14, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Turns out that no, Obama never once called Libya’s president on the night an American ambassador was being murdered at the consulate.

Tuns out our AWOL President most likely called Susan Rice that evening and told her to stand by for instructions. The whole administration was in panic mode until they realized the complicit media would keep this terrorist massacre, (demonstration) off the front pages.

“What difference does it make?”

Rovin on February 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM

That’s why they call them precedents, they have to start somewhere. Bark can piss off.

Bishop on February 14, 2013 at 6:00 PM
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Er, no. It was NOT unprecedented.

Resist We Much on February 14, 2013 at 6:00 PM
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That will be the Sound-Bite,that will get air time,on TV and Radio,
for the Liberals Preception/Deception Operative Mission,on Hagel!:)

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Resist We Much strikes again!!

Texlib on February 14, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram

Reid says “watching the tea party” helping filibuster Hagel “is one of the saddest spectacles I have witnessed in my 27 years in the Senate.

Here are some sad spectacles, Dingy:

1. No budget in 1,388 days.

2. “It’s been a pretty hard work period we’ve had. The last two weekends, working late. And I think the Senate deserves to be able to go home as soon as we can. If there was ever a time we need to work with our constituents, it’s now. And for me personally, I’ve been here for a long time. I have a home in Nevada that I haven’t seen in months. My pomegranate trees are, I’m told, are blossoming — there’s pomegranates on them, I have some fig trees, roses and stuff that I just haven’t seen. So I have constituents that I’m anxious to see, friends I’m eager to visit with, relatives I need to visit with. So as soon as we can complete our work, I would like to move as quick as I can to the summer recess period.”

3. “These programs create jobs. The National Endowment of the Humanities is the reason we have in northern Nevada every January a cowboy poetry festival. Had that program not been around, the tens of thousands of people who come there every year would not exist.”

4. “My staff tells me not to say this, but I’m going to say it anyway. In the summer because of the heat and high humidity, you could literally smell the tourists (read: taxpaying American citizens for whom Reid works) coming into the Capitol. It may be descriptive but it’s true.”

5. “The war is lost, and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence.”

For the record, Reid now believes the surge worked.

6. “The word’s out that he hasn’t paid ANY taxes for 10 years. Let him prove that he has paid taxes, because he hasn’t.”

He did and Harry’s source – a voice in his head – was BS.

Harry Reid’s “legacy” will be one of corrupt land deals, undignified bullying, and pure senility.

Resist We Much on February 14, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Reid says “watching the tea party” helping filibuster Hagel “is one of the saddest spectacles I have witnessed in my 27 years in the Senate.

JPeterman on February 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM

The saddest is when he looks down while using a urinal.

Christien on February 14, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Hagel filibustered — barely

If the vaunted Allahpundit does not know what the (a) filibuster is, how can he have the hubrus to post an opinion about on Hot Air. What happened was the senate voted NOT to invoke cloture, not filibuster! Cloture is limiting the amount of talking about business by senate members. A filibuster MAY result if there is no limit to discussion (cloture). These readers depend on people like Allahpundit to at least educate them on what is happening. AP, you are a huge disappointment. No wonder we have a huge sea of low information voters! You should apologize. Your chance to star and you blew it!

Old Country Boy on February 14, 2013 at 6:19 PM

That will be the Sound-Bite,that will get air time,on TV and Radio,
for the Liberals Preception/Deception Operative Mission,on Hagel!:)

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Yeah, but they’ll hear “unpresidented.”

Christien on February 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Oh, speaking of conditions for voting yes, the White House finally got back to McCain and Graham about their questions on Benghazi. Turns out that no, Obama never once called Libya’s president on the night an American ambassador was being murdered at the consulate. It was Hillary who took the 3 a.m. phone call.

So 5 months after the attack on Benghazi, these two posers decided to write a letter wanting to know if Obama called Libya’s President on that night. What a disgrace these two are.

What difference would it make if he had? Are we to believe these two would vote against Hagel and the other incompetents?

Disgusting.

bluefox on February 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM

An American A,mbassador is murdeerred…and there were warnings…and ambassador, no less.

And our glorious “leader” was too busy to get involved?

An ambassador, in diplomatic usage going back hundreds and hundreds of years, a personal representative of one nation’s sovereign residing in another nation to represent that sovereign to the government to which he or she is accredited.

Personal representative…murdered…and the man who selected him and credentialed him…too busy to get involved.

And then, sets up a pattern of lies to cover his tracks.

Has one American citizen arrested and blamed for the attack, identified as complicit in that murder for somehow putting a video in the internet.

And this video meme becomes the official Administration fallback position for a murder of not only an ambassador but three other Americans who were left to die..despite their pleas for assistance.

To be slaughtered by terrorists this Administration was getting all cozy and friendly with…and then every other American involved is told to STFU about the “unfortunate incident” under penalty of law, so the principle officers, SECSTATE on down could get their stories straight..

Yep…we, the United States of America, are no longer what we once were just a few short years ago.

Obama has fundamentally changed the way we are governed…as he promised.

And the GOP can’t even put a stop, won’t even put a stop, refuses to put a stop, to an incompetent bigot being nominated and confirmed to the most important Cabinet position in the land?

coldwarrior on February 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM

What’s up with Vitter?

sauldalinsky on February 14, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Jed Bartlet he is not

This is WORSE than my pet goat…. the lsm….meh

If he had an R next to his name…he would have not won re election and impeachment would be called

cmsinaz on February 14, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Is Chuck Hagel the best Obama could pick for Secretary of Defense? That answer would be no from just about anyone who understood what the qualifications should be. Republicans, who voted for him, only voted for him because they feel the President should have his choices except for “extraordinary circumstances”. So why did this happen. Obama doesn’t have a clue what a Secretary of Defense does and what the qualifications should be. I mean I’m a Vietnam Vet, but I’m certainly not qualified to be Secretary of Defense. The Republicans are looking for information and should be able to tell their comrads that’s what they need before approval and get support. If they can’t get that, let Hagel go in and then, if he’s completely inept hang him around Obama’s neck.

bflat879 on February 14, 2013 at 6:27 PM

We need not a political leader but a brigade of exorcists.

Don L on February 14, 2013 at 6:27 PM

H

Nice. RIP, Agent 86.
Christien on February 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Good catch. You gotta find the small joys in life once in a while.

can_con on February 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Tingles was furious….. heh

Morning joe will be as well in the am….blame wayne la Pierre for sure

cmsinaz on February 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM

And the GOP can’t even put a stop, won’t even put a stop, refuses to put a stop, to an incompetent bigot being nominated and confirmed to the most important Cabinet position in the land?

coldwarrior on February 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Patience in needed with the GOP. They are extremely busyAmerica’s behalf planning the demise of the conservative element and the tea party with Karl “hit man” Rove.
It’s taking longer than usual due to complications co-ordinating with the White House.

Don L on February 14, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Dear leader says gop is abusing the filibuster…. awwwwww

You had no problem filibustering alito

cmsinaz on February 14, 2013 at 6:33 PM

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Yeah, but they’ll hear “unpresidented.”

Christien on February 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Christien:Lol:)

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM

bflat879 on February 14, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Remember when the Left said that attending 5 colleges and maintaining a “C” average was proof that someone wasn’t fit for high office?

Well, Obama has nominated a man, who attended 5 colleges and had a “D” average.

Remember when being openly homophobic was a cause for scorn by the Left?

Well, Obama has nominated a man, who has been openly homophobic.

Remember when opposing abortion even in the case of rape was considered a disqualification for office by the Left, a bar to even addressing the Democratic National Convention, and proof of the “Republican’s War on Women”?

Well, Obama has nominated a man, who opposes abortion even in the case of rape.

Remember when making anti-Semitic statements, rightfully, drew comparisons to David Duke?

Well, Obama has nominated a man, who has made anti-Semitic statements on numerous occasions.

Remember when “smart power” was what the media and the Left called Obama’s foreign policy and his team?

Well, Obama has nominated a man, who has proven that he is anything but smart.

Remember when the Left spit on returning troops from Vietnam and your Secretary of State, falsely, testified under oath about how horrible American soldiers were behaving in Vietnam – much worse than the lie that Jack Murtha told?

Well, Obama has nominated a man, who the Left once accused of atrocities.

Remember when people, who voted for the Iraq War, were called warmongers and alleged to be supportive of “air-raiding villages and killing civilians”?

Well, Obama has nominated a man that the Left once called a “warmonger.”

We all know the deal here. Obama wants Hagel for one reason: Having a “Republican” DefSec will give him cover for what he wants to do to the military.

“How can anyone argue that what I am doing is anything but common sense and mainstream when my ‘Republican’ Secretary of Defence agrees with me?”

He’ll say that even though it has been made clear since before Obama nominated him that there was sizable opposition to Hagel. He might claim to be a Republican, but on foreign policy issues, Hagel is actually to the LEFT of Obama on foreign policy. At least, Obama pretends to be against Iranian containment, but not Chuck Hagel.

Let Obama choose a Democrat so that they can own it.

Resist We Much on February 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Hey remember when getting more yes votes than no votes used to mean something in the senate

me neither

triple on February 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Hey, remember when the Supreme Court said the Senate had to obtain 60 votes for certain procedures?

Me neither.

Who makes the Senate rules, eh?

IIRC, its…uh…..the Senate!

One more: Unprecedented? Nope. Constitutional? Oh yeah.

The Constitution doesn’t say the Senate is required approve anything the President suggests. It says the is the approval authority for appointees. With the power to approve also comes the power to disapprove.

If you don’t like the rules of the game, don’t play.

BobMbx on February 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM

What a sweet Valentine’s message for President Obama.

Christien on February 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Is Chuck Hagel the best Obama could pick for Secretary of Defense?

Hagel was the first to say “Sure, I’ll be a part of that clown show you’re running out of the White House”

What do you think….20-30 said “no effing way you loser”? Or more?

BobMbx on February 14, 2013 at 6:38 PM

bflat879 on February 14, 2013 at 6:27 PM

First of all, Thank you for your service to this country. Second, this shouldn’t be about trying to hanging something around Obama’s neck. Hagel’s incompetence can actually get someone killed. Any Republican who lets him through deserves as much blame as Obama if Hagel does something stupid.

Conservative Independent on February 14, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Almost forgot: The reason the vote was 58/40 instead of 59/39 is because Reid switched his vote at the last minute. Procedurally, he has to vote no in order to be eligible to ask for another vote in a week or two. And at the moment, there’s no reason to believe Hagel won’t finally clear cloture when that happens.

Republicans Cochran, Collins, Johanns and Murkowski all need to be kidnapped until this is over.
These idiots need to be leaned on hard. They GAIN nothing by voting yes.

Hagel was only nominated do Obama could shit on him when things blow up….
And oh they will……

America is in a very dangerous position right now.

The frenemies have breached the gate.

redguy on February 14, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Of course, many in my family will call themselves practicing Catholics and vote for the first post-natal, pro-abortion president in US history without giving it a second thought.

crrr6 on February 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM

I have a few converts in my family and they really are practicing; attend Mass, children in the Catholic School and very active in all aspects of the faith. Nevertheless, they voted for Obama. You could not reason with them. Hard to believe.

bluefox on February 14, 2013 at 6:44 PM

I say drag out as long as possible to make it clear to the public the GOP does not want this loser and if Obama wants him so bad let him grovel for him to the people…after such time give Hagel to Obama.

Why?

Hagel is simply Obama’s front man for what Obama plans to do no matter who he picks. If he dumps Hagel, he will just find some other loser to be his front man. Therefore make Hagel as controversial as possible without him actually being dumped, let Obama have him after the MSM sells out for Obama once again, and that way when all hell breaks loose with Iran-Israel, China-Japan, etc., and Hagel blows it (which he will) it will be clear to everyone Obama really, really, really wanted this fool.

Sadly this is about the best we can do, because it clear Obama wants Hagel for a reason. That is because Hagel’s views are Obama’s views. You can replace Hagel with Obama choice No. 2 and it will be the same fool, just with a different name.

William Eaton on February 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM

They stopped him today.
Now, they’ve got a week to ten-days to drive a stake into his heart by digging up the real meat to use against him.
And, they’ve got to do the same with Brennan, and take as much of Lew’s hide as they can.

Another Drew on February 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM

canopfor on February 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Thanks for the Roll Call!

bluefox on February 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM

(I’m pretty sure that Allahpundit’s cat has never lost a “Give me my beer back” battle hence the reason allahpundit will be in a really bad mood) o_O

SWalker on February 14, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Oh, that’s good:-)

bluefox on February 14, 2013 at 6:50 PM

So 5 months after the attack on Benghazi, these two posers decided to write a letter wanting to know if Obama called Libya’s President on that night. What a disgrace these two are.

What difference would it make if he had? Are we to believe these two would vote against Hagel and the other incompetents?

Disgusting.

bluefox on February 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Those “two posers” and the American public have been asking for real explanations from the White House since the night they were murdered—that’s what’s disgusting pal.

Rovin on February 14, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Every one of those squish Republicans (and that includes Mr. Hatch) needs to be visited by a genuine, decorated hero from their home state to lay out the reasons why this nominee is bad for Defense, the men and women in the Services, and the Country; and that this filibuster needs to be sustained until the nomination is withdrawn.
This is not about being collegial, it is about being a Statesman/woman.

Another Drew on February 14, 2013 at 6:51 PM

I say drag out as long as possible to make it clear to the public the GOP does not want this loser and if Obama wants him so bad let him grovel for him to the people…after such time give Hagel to Obama.

Yep. You never know what could happen in the interim.

Christien on February 14, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Blue Buddha!!!

Bmore on February 14, 2013 at 7:01 PM

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