Rubio: Let’s not rush to judgment on Rove’s new “Conservative Victory Project”

posted at 2:41 pm on February 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Some people are grumbling about this in Headlines but I don’t know what you want the guy to say. He’s not going to tell Rove and his giant donor base to kiss his ass, no matter how much you wish he would; if he ends up running in 2016, he’ll need those people to win. I doubt even Rand Paul would go much further than Rubio in criticizing Rove for the same reason. In case there really is a GOP civil war between the establishment and tea party, any prospective nominee will be forced to ingratiate himself with both, especially since more centrist Republican groups are coming online every day. That’s why Paul’s been quick to forgive and forget the fact that Mitch McConnell endorsed his primary opponent in 2010. (Paul’s actually got a tougher job than Rubio insofar as he needs to appeal to mainstream conservatives, tea partiers, and the Ron Paul supporters who view him as maybe not quite enough of a chip off the ol’ anti-establishment block.) So here’s Rubio demonstrating a lesson from day one of Politics 101: Don’t alienate anyone unless you’re forced to, especially if the people you’re alienating can command hundreds of millions of dollars in political fundraising. He’s also demonstrating a lesson from day two of Politics 101: Try to say as little as possible when cornered with a thorny question. This answer goes on for two minutes but all it boils down to, really, is (1) both sides have their virtues and (2) let’s see what happens. Remember, just as it was with Captain Hopenchange at the 2004 convention, inclusiveness is key to Rubio’s brand. (E.g., “Despite our differences, I know that both Republicans and Democrats love America.”) If you want a Republican who’ll play a bit rougher, you’re really more of a Christie voter. Just understand that it’s usually other Republicans with whom he’ll be playing rough.

Exit question: Will donations from Rove’s group end up backfiring on establishment candidates? Nate Silver makes the case that, yep, it’s quite possible. Simply put, while establishment Republicans reliably outraise tea-party challengers, they don’t reliably defeat them. Those challengers get a lot of earned media from Fox News and conservative talk radio and they’re bound to get a lot more if/when the Rove imprimatur on a candidate makes him/her a target of grassroots contempt. Click the image to watch.

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tomshup on February 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

FWIW, Rove made a campaign donation to Rubio early in his run against Crist in the FL primary:

From Open Secrets:

ROVE, KARL
WASHINGTON,DC 20016 KARL ROVE & COMPANY 10/3/09 $1,000 Rubio, Marco (R)

Reno_Dave on February 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Oh dear Lord. Sorry, Marco. You lost me.

On to Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Dr. Carson.

Rixon on February 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

“Less Robin Hood, more Adam Smith” — RP

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Dr. Carson…until he disappoints you.

Here’s hoping that he keeps his pair.

Most all in DC are eunuchs.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Rubio thinks he’s ‘buying’ Rove against Jeb Bush, heh.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

We’re not working for the same goals, I don’t want to arm Jihadis or amnesty illegal aliens or continue to increase the debt ceiling to facilitate the profligacy of the so-called “two” parties who are mortgaging the futures of unborn children. People like Rubio and Obama are working against the goal that I have, which is to save America and preserve the Constitution and our Bill of Rights as the governing authority in the land. To that end, I don’t want to legalize millions, perhaps tens of millions of illegals who are overwhelmingly socialist and have no respect for the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and no respect for our laws.

FloatingRock on February 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I don’t know what you want the guy to say.

What they want him to say is “I am a giant RINO on steroids and you will accept our GOP overlords like I have”.

Some of these laughable so called principled conservatives regarded Barky as equivalent to Romney.

CorporatePiggy on February 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Ha!

Jeffrey Lord has spent about two weeks demonstrating what a liar Rove is.

Fish or cut bait, Rubio. Surely such a silver-tongued orator as you can come up with a way to displomatically distance yourself from Rove./s

INC on February 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I didn’t. In fact, I gave Rove the benefit of the doubt. But then Rove and his advisors opened their mouths and pretty much confirmed everyone’s worst fears.

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Rubio thinks he’s ‘buying’ Rove against Jeb Bush, heh.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Yeah he does. ;0

Illinidiva on February 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM

H2O-gate has aged him.

McConnell can go to Hades and needs to be primaried. Yack…after Obama and Boehner he’s the most insufferable azzhole in DC. Sure, sure, I know of DWS and all her rats, Reid and his…yack, all of DC is full of rats.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 2:55 PM

We are not on the same team if Rubio is for amnesty. Rubio is pro establishment GOP that got us here in the first place.

aniptofar on February 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Jeffrey Lord:

Karl Rove and the Cotton Conservatives February 5, 2013

Levin Blisters Rove February 5, 2013

Rove Spokesman Apologizes to Bozell February 6, 2013

INC on February 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

This answer goes on for two minutes but all it boils down to, really, is (1) both sides have their virtues and (2) let’s see what happens.

The GOP statists don’t really have any virtues. But they have money and votes. So, I guess I agree that we can’t curb stomp them like we’d like.

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Re: The American Spectator : Rove Email Leaks: Ideological War Opens in GOP
Rove not lookin too good .

Lucano on February 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

More Lord re Rove:

Conservative Fury at Rove Erupts February 7, 2013

Thanks to Donald Trump February 8, 2013

Rove Not Listed in Reagan Alumni Directory February 8, 2013

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM

…RUCK FOVE…!!!

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Yet more Lord re Rove.

Ex-Texas GOP Chairman: Rove Was in ‘Anti-Reagan Faction’ February 8, 2013

Rove Email Leaks: Ideological War Opens in GOP February 12, 2013

Rubio can’t sit on this fence for very long.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

if mr.chins aren’t paid, would that be a pox on whiteboards?

mickytx on February 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Rove supported Rubio very early on against Charlie Crist, when even the NRSC was backing the orange one, so why would Rubio be critical of him? Besides, I don’t get the beef with Rove’s stated goal. He’ll support the more established candidates, while others will get support elsewhere. What’s the problem? You still get a competitive primary.

The shared goal ought to be the most conservative, electable candidate. Hopefully those two go hand in hand, but sometimes they don’t.

changer1701 on February 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

When I look at Marco Rubio, now all I see is the face of John McCain looking back at me and I can almost hear, “My friends, my friends …” coming from his mendacious mouth. It has become very clear that Rubio is The Man Who Never Was. He’s just a conman with a no longer very convincing con, so teenage girls you can get over your crush on him and now would be a good time. Since Marco Rubio is now calling amnesty, “earnesty”, I am wondering when he will officially/legally change his name from Marco Rubio to Marco Orwell. He certainly should. Perhaps in the next Batman movie, as the series gets ever more worn out, he can play a composite of the Joker and Two-Face. And since Rubio is Spanish for Blond, maybe he will wear a blood wig as he goes about his quest for the extinction of the Republic.

VorDaj on February 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Lucano on February 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Yes. Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director, and he has been raking Rove over the coals about Rove’s ideology and Rove lying about being on Reagan’s team.

Rove wants to keep his RINO ways even as he tries to use Reagan’s name to give himself credibility.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

We’re all on the same team? Working toward the same goal?

Uhm … no.

The RINO Establishment Ayatollahs have made a team of their own – and the only goal they have is to keep their bottomless martinis filled at their beltway cocktail parties. They’re goal – self evident now from at least 50 years of history you can look back on … is to “stealthly” grow government and divert more and more of working American assets to their own greedy needs in Washington DC.

That they want to do this a little bit less than Dimmocrits – doesn’t make them noble.

So sorry … but no … they ain’t on “our team”

HondaV65 on February 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Rubio is rapidly becoming
the next Rove/Boehner/Allahpundit.

Czar of Defenestration on February 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

changer1701 on February 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Do you have an exact date of when he supported Rubio? Was it after the tide turned?

Please read Lord’s posts to see how committed Rove is to conservatives. Not at all.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Lord’s Cotton Conservatives and Email Leaks posts are especially telling.

Some of the middle ones are about taking Rove down for lying about being on Reagan’s Texas team in 1980.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Rubio is McCain Mini-Me. Rubio was big, VERY BIG, on the Arab Spring and probably still is. He, along with his new dad John McCain, and his new mom Lindsey Graham, pushed at Obama to get even more involved in Libya, so Benghazi is blood on his hands too. Rubio, like McCain [who incidentally, for anyone who somehow hasn't yet noticed, calls everything he advocates, bipartisan], seems absolutely incapable of learning anything – ever. That’s ‘assuming’ that he is the least bit sincere which is quite unlikely. Be it about Muslims, who will never be for liberty, or illegal Mexicans, who if made legal will overwhelmingly vote democrat to the point of obliterating what’s left of the Republican party and much of America.

VorDaj on February 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Bummer, it’s apparent Marco doesn’t read HotAir.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Have a drink of water, Marco, sit down and shut up. Karl Rove is working for Jeb Bush and not you.

JPeterman on February 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

“Of the 2016 GOP prospects, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio is among the most vocal in advocating a robust flexing of American muscle — which has long been the dominant strain of thought within the GOP but one that has faced stiffening resistance from small-government proponents in the Tea Party era.”

Marco Rubio is the anti-Reagan. In fact, Rubio is another Wilson and LBJ. He even tried to push Obama into doing more, and doing it faster, for the anti-American and anti-Western Civilization Libyan Shariah “rebels”. When it comes to foreign policy, Rubio is a dangerous chickenhawk idiot who must hate American troops with an absolute passion.

1. The United States should not commit its forces to military action overseas unless the cause is vital to our national interest.
2. If the decision is made to commit our forces to combat abroad, it must be done with the clear intent and support needed to win. It should not be a halfway or tentative commitment, and there must be clearly defined and realistic objectives.
3. Before we commit our troops to combat, there must be reasonable assurance that the cause we are fighting for and the actions we take will have the support of the American people and Congress.
4. Even after all these other tests are met, our troops should be committed to combat abroad only as a last resort, when no other choice is available.
- Ronald Reagan

VorDaj on February 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

“We’re all on the same team. We’re all working for the same goal.”

Could have fooled me.

Bmore on February 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Won’t happen again.

Bmore on February 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Bummer, it’s apparent Marco doesn’t read HotAir.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Maybe he is boycotting all websites that don’t have “Press one for Spanish” and “Press two for English while still available”.

VorDaj on February 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM

“We’re all on the same team. We’re all working for the same goal.”

No habla English.

VorDaj on February 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

So sorry … but no … they ain’t on “our team”

HondaV65 on February 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

You’re certainly not on my ‘team’.

I am paying your pension, Chief, and you voted for a Marxist.

If you can’t show some deference, shut your pie hole. ITY.

CorporatePiggy on February 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Too bad. Rubio would have become an instant hero by telling Rove to kiss his ass … once on each cheek.

darwin on February 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Do you have an exact date of when he supported Rubio? Was it after the tide turned?

Please read Lord’s posts to see how committed Rove is to conservatives. Not at all.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

It is unclear whether Rove actually supported Rubio or if he simply opposed Crist (given Crist’s attempts to break with the Bush clan).

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Rubio can’t sit on this fence for very long.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I don’t think he wants a fence. I think he wants a Welcome Amigo Mat. Oh, you were speaking about another kind of fence.

VorDaj on February 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Joe Walsh forming super PAC to fight Karl Rove’s super PAC:

“if we had listened to Karl Rove in 2010, there would be no [Florida] Sen. Marco Rubio. Rove backed Charlie Crist, who was last seen raving about President Obama at the Democrat National Convention last year.”

An old Weekly Standard column written right after Rubio won the election mentions Jim DeMint as the one who saved R’s campaign (for which Rubio thanked him by giving him a cold shoulder on the Tea Party caucus). Huckabee and NRO are also mentioned.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

That they want to do this a little bit less than Dimmocrits – doesn’t make them noble.

So sorry … but no … they ain’t on “our team”

HondaV65 on February 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

What are you talking about, you are on Team Obama since you voted for him.

JPeterman on February 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Wait….you mean Rubio the amnesty shill won’t condemn Rove the amnesty shill? I’m shocked I tells ya, SHOCKED!

xblade on February 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

you voted for a Marxist.

CorporatePiggy on February 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Well, to be fair, you (and I) voted for a big government statist. Not sure that is a big enough difference to entitle you to be throwing stones from your glass house.

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

No, Marco, we aren’t all on the same team . By the way Marco, when you use terms like “middle class” you do realize you’re using the language of the left, don’t you? Conservative terms are “everyone” and “all Americans”. We conservatives don’t do class.

ncjetsfan on February 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

For all of you reading Jeffery Lord, remember not everything you read on the net is gospel. No defense of Rove, but Lord needs to do a better job of checking his “facts”.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

INC ,
Thanks for the proper link . I sent that piece to
lots of conservative buddy’s this morning .
I was stunned .

Lucano on February 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Lord has been quoting other people. It hasn’t been only his opinion.

I don’t think you’ve read anything he’s written.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Limbaugh and Levin and Hannity all said in the past Rubio would be on the 2016 ticket and boy reading every anti Hispanic bigot on this thread confirms it for me. They Republicans got trounced with the Hispanic vote in 2012 and they’re going to play smart this time.

Marcus on February 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

“We’re all on the same team. We’re all working for the same goal.”

It’s the water talking.

Lily on February 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

“Despite our differences, I know that both Republicans and Democrats love America.”

and

“We’re all on the same team. We’re all working for the same goal.”

Not only “assuming facts not in evidence” but making claims directly contradicted by evidence.

Subotai Bahadur on February 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Bummer, it’s apparent Marco doesn’t read HotAir.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Perhaps, if we have a Spanish edition ….

bw222 on February 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Quick! Hurry! Throw Rubio under the “True Believer” bus of the Purity Police!

Reject all that dirty Rove “establishment” money today, leave the Republican Party now and form your own Keepers of the Pure and True Conservative Faith Party which would have rejected Ronald Reagan as a former Democrat and union officer, a Governor who raised taxes and spending and signed the nation’s most liberal abortion bill into law as well as entering into a record number of “public-private” development partnerships using – gasp! – eminent domain.

Yes, your new Nutjob Party won’t win any offices, EVER, but may in some close races draw enough votes to elect Democrats (which many of you already do by staying home or leaving blanks).

We’ll miss your incessant whining and complaining no end – promise! – but somehow we’ll soldier on. Oh, and don’t be surprised when the teeming crowds of Tea Party you expect to lead aren’t behind you, but instead staying right where they are. The vast majority of them aren’t crazy, either. And all of us sane conservatives will be quickly drawing lines: “Hey, don’t lump us in with those guys!”

But best o’ luck and all that, no doubt you freaks will be too busy organizing your own primaries to keep whining about ours, but do drop a (brief) note from time to time letting us know how you’re doing, mmmkay?

Adjoran on February 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Lucano on February 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

You’re welcome.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Sounds like Lord needs to check the facts from the people he quotes if he going to post it.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Do you have an exact date of when he supported Rubio? Was it after the tide turned?

Please read Lord’s posts to see how committed Rove is to conservatives. Not at all.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

No, I don’t have an exact date, but there is this: http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2009/10/05/4433821-rove-for-rubio?lite

Crist was still leading at this point (note that they refer to him as the heavy favorite). But that’s beside the point. Rove is a Republican who wants to elect Republicans to office. He’s a political strategist, not a conservative leader, so why is there an expectation that he’d automatically back the most conservative candidate? And why are we assuming that the most conservative candidate makes the best general election candidate? Sometimes they will…sometimes they won’t.

changer1701 on February 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

lo siento, I am not on the pro-amnesty team.
I was on the, vote for the lesser of 2 evils team..now thats over.

bazil9 on February 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I guess my question is similar to Allah’s. How was Rubio supposed to distance himself from or repute Rove outright without alienating the donors connected to Rove?

TDSE on February 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Sounds like Lord needs to check the facts from the people he quotes if he going to post it.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Do you work for Rove?

Can you quote anyone who has refuted Jeffrey Lord?

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Limbaugh and Levin and Hannity all said in the past Rubio would be on the 2016 ticket and boy reading every anti Hispanic bigot on this thread confirms it for me. They Republicans got trounced with the Hispanic vote in 2012 and they’re going to play smart this time.

Marcus on February 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Kind of like how the Reagan amnesty had all the Hispanics voting Republican in 1988? Like I have said before Marcus, you are one of the biggest RINOs at HA, but definitely not one of the smartest people here.

bw222 on February 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

changer1701 on February 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

The problem is that Rove has been positioning himself as Mr. Conservative. Last week he told O’Reilly that he was on Reagan’s 1980 Texas team which was a lie.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Do you work for Rove?

Can you quote anyone who has refuted Jeffrey Lord?

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Never met the man, however he has clearly destroyed the fact he was anti-Reagan; heck he worked for the Reagan campaign in Texas. If Lord and you feel the need to invent things that didn’t happen in order to degrade a person then it sounds like your tactics are closer to Plouffe and Co.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

He’s a political strategist, not a conservative leader, so why is there an expectation that he’d automatically back the most conservative candidate? And why are we assuming that the most conservative candidate makes the best general election candidate? Sometimes they will…sometimes they won’t.

changer1701 on February 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

His problem is that he equates big government statism with electability. In other words, with two identical candidates, one being a traditional free market conservative, and one being a statist, Rove will always think that the statist is much more electable (not just a little bit more – but a lot more). And, given your comments over the last year, so will you.

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Bummer, it’s apparent Marco doesn’t read HotAir.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Maybe Townhall could be persuaded to lauch AireCaliente.com.

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Adjoran on February 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Frum? Is that you?

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

What have I invented?

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Never met the man, however he has clearly destroyed the fact he was anti-Reagan; heck he worked for the Reagan campaign in Texas. If Lord and you feel the need to invent things that didn’t happen in order to degrade a person then it sounds like your tactics are closer to Plouffe and Co.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Invent? Rove’s been proven a liar time and time again, especially about his supposed Reagan campaign connections.

And since we’re on the subject of degrading people, I’m sure John McCain would have something to say about Rove, South Carolina, and the year 2000.

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Maybe Townhall could be persuaded to lauch AireCaliente.com.

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Cool!
libfreedie will explode when the first black president
is translated. Neeeegro will be making a comeback.

bazil9 on February 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

“We’re all on the same team. We’re all working for the same goal.”

No, we’re not. It’s what many in the Establishment would like us to believe, to anesthetize us, but it just isn’t the truth. And your failure to grok this fundamental truth (one which is penetrating the consciousness of more people every day) is why you’re not the cutting edge figure you may think you are. You are the establishment’s version of cutting edge, the personification of a misnomer.

rrpjr on February 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Kind of like how the Reagan amnesty had all the Hispanics voting Republican in 1988? Like I have said before Marcus, you are one of the biggest RINOs at HA, but definitely not one of the smartest people here.

bw222 on February 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

By some HA people’s standards, Reagan is a huge RINO.

He really did Amnesty. Big time. With no strings. He gets a pass for that epic fail because he’s dead and there’s a lot of ancestor worship associated with him.

He grew government in real terms.

He raised taxes across the board.

Honda’s a troll, and that is fair enough.

TruCons: But for all you who hold up Reagan as some kind of paragon of conservative virtue, get thee to the library. Grab your calculators on the way out.

CorporatePiggy on February 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Either Rove did or didn’t work for Reagan in ’80; it’s clear from numerous interviews, Rove states he did. Just because some internet nutjob wants to claim he didn’t, to prove some sort of point without asking the person in question, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the accused when he clearly has stated otherwise.

There may be a lot of things to not like about Rove, but creating a false narratives and straw-men arguments is what we are fighting with Obama.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

The problem is that Rove has been positioning himself as Mr. Conservative. Last week he told O’Reilly that he was on Reagan’s 1980 Texas team which was a lie.

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

He’s called himself a conservative, but he’s a political strategist first. And, as a political strategist, he’s being pragmatic about who his group ends up supporting to win elections. I guess I don’t understand what is wrong with that, exactly. Beyond that, his group wasn’t very effective in ’12 and funding from those groups as a whole largely goes wasted, so I’m unsure why people are all that fazed with this. He’s going to support certain candidates, Rubio says eh, OK. I don’t see the big deal.

changer1701 on February 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

And Shillary was a Goldwater girl.

bazil9 on February 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Either Rove did or didn’t work for Reagan in ’80; it’s clear from numerous interviews, Rove states he did. Just because some internet nutjob wants to claim he didn’t, to prove some sort of point without asking the person in question, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the accused when he clearly has stated otherwise.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Rove didn’t just say he worked for Reagan in 1980. He said

I was the director of the Texas campaign for Ronald Reagan in the fall of 1980.

Something that is demonstrably false.

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Rino Rubio

Nessuno on February 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Lord states in this post that Rove Not Listed in Reagan Alumni Directory. Reagan alum keep up with each other.

He also quotes Reagan biographer Craig Shirley:

To: Fellow Conservatives

Last night on The O’Reilly Factor, Karl Rove stated that he was the Director of the Texas campaign for Ronald Reagan in 1980. Since then, I’ve received several inquiries on this matter.

In the course of my research for Rendezvous with Destiny about the 1980 campaign, at no time did I come across Mr. Rove’s name in association with the Reagan campaign. Indeed, according to sources, he was with the George H. W. Bush campaign until he was fired for leaking to the media.

In 1976, as Chairman of the College Republicans, Rove was for Gerald Ford over Governor Reagan, as was all of the Republican National Committee.

The 1980 Texas campaign for Ronald Reagan was run by Ernie Angelo and the Field Director was Rick Shelby. Gary Hoitsma ran the media for Reagan in Texas in 1980.

In fact, Mr. Rove’s own bio on his website says he was on Governor Clements staff in 1980 and Clements was not on board with Reagan until after Detroit convention.

See pages 39, 173-174, Chapter 17 and pg 498 of Rendezvous with Destiny for details on the Texas campaign for Reagan in 1980.

Craig Shirley

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Once Palin wore a Buchanan button.

bazil9 on February 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Adjoran on February 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Enjoy your permanent-SECOND-class status as a proud member of the
coulda/shoulda/whoulda if-I-only-had-some-b*lls Party.

You’ll look *great* in your burka.

Czar of Defenestration on February 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM

His problem is that he equates big government statism with electability. In other words, with two identical candidates, one being a traditional free market conservative, and one being a statist, Rove will always think that the statist is much more electable (not just a little bit more – but a lot more). And, given your comments over the last year, so will you.

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I don’t think that’s true in the slightest. If so, he never would’ve supported Rubio over Crist. And no, I don’t think statists are much more electable…if that’s what you believe, you need to start reading for comprehension.

changer1701 on February 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Lord: Ex-Texas GOP Chairman: Rove Was in ‘Anti-Reagan Faction’

Former Texas Republican State Chairman and ex-Reagan administration official Tom Pauken has released this statement on Karl Rove:

Karl Rove campaigned in 1980 against Ronald Reagan and for George Herbert Walker Bush in the Republican presidential primary in Texas. In the general election, I never heard at the time that Karl was running the Reagan campaign in our state. Karl was working for Gov. Clements, but the Reagan leaders in Texas were Ray Barnhart and Ernie Angelo. I knew most of the Reagan leaders around the state, and Karl was not part of that group and was viewed by the Reaganites as being part of the anti-Reagan faction in our state….

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:45 PM

This is how political operatives like Rove work, they have more tentacles than jellyfish.

Fallon on February 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Either Rove did or didn’t work for Reagan in ’80.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

He didn’t. He’s a liar.

rrpjr on February 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Steebo77 you are doing exactly what I was describing, misleading with a false narrative. To my recollection from the interviews I’ve heard from Rove on this subject he was clearly didn’t claim he was the “director” for the entire campaign. What he has said was he was the “director of campaign financing” (or some other department, I don’t remember the exact term he used).

Of course he wasn’t what Lord claims, Rove has never claimed to have had that position.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM

What he has said was he was the “director of campaign financing” (or some other department, I don’t remember the exact term he used).
Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM

He wasn’t that either. He was against Reagan. He’s a liar.

rrpjr on February 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Some people are grumbling about this in Headlines but I don’t know what you want the guy to say.

What bugs me about Rubio is that 1) the establishment focused group them some Hispandering 2) Rubio was anointed as “The One! Improved! Now in Spanish”, and 3) Rubio evolved on amnesty in the blink of an eye. I don’t know the cause/effect order of how that happened, all I know is that Rubio’s core principles are not conservative. Rubio lied about amnesty to get elected in 2010, what else did he lie about? Trust but verify on his other policies.

Rubio will support Karl Rove if he thinks it’ll get him elected President, but the Conservative Victory Project will fail them both in 2014 because Rove’s defining conservative and victory (and electable) wrongly.

sauldalinsky on February 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

He’s not going to tell Rove and his giant donor base to kiss his ass, no matter how much you wish he would; if he ends up running in 2016, he’ll need those people to win.

Tragically, that is precisely the stratagem which the GOP-e has elected to employ, re: social conservatives and anti-amnesty activists, for the last eight or ten years… with predictable (to anyone even remotely sentient) electoral results.

Works both ways, you know.

Kent18 on February 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Once Palin wore a Buchanan button.

bazil9 on February 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

She wouldn’t lie about it like Rove.

I believe she worked on Buchanan’s ’96 primary campaign in Alaska, but was a Forbes supporter in ’00.

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Rubio wants to piss of Mark Levin and other conservatives??

Rubio pull your head out…..

redguy on February 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Steebo77 you are doing exactly what I was describing, misleading with a false narrative.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM

That was a direct quote from Rove.

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Limbaugh and Levin and Hannity all said in the past Rubio would be on the 2016 ticket and boy reading every anti Hispanic bigot on this thread confirms it for me.
Marcus on February 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

No, no. You did it wrong. It goes like this, …”Racists!”

Dongemaharu on February 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Michael Reagan: ‘We Never Saw or Met Karl Rove’ in 1980 Reagan Texas Campaign

…on Feb. 9, Michael Reagan tweeted again, “Texas was my sister Maureen’s and my State in 1980 campaign and we never saw or met Karl Rove.”

In an interview with CNSNews.com, Michael Reagan said that he and his sister Maureen spent half their lives in Texas during the 1980 campaign and “I never laid eyes on Karl Rove, never saw him, never talked to him — and that was our state.”

“There was not a place in Texas my sister and I did not go in 1980,” said Reagan. “We never heard a word [of Rove], we never heard the name.”

Reagan also said that he attended numerous fundraisers throughout Texas in 1980 and he “never saw Karl Rove at a fundraising event.”

INC on February 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

He wasn’t that either. He was against Reagan. He’s a liar.

rrpjr on February 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Of course he was against Reagan – during the primaries – as he was a Texan working for the Texan in the race, GHW Bush. However, in the general when they merged the two campaigns, he was clearly for Reagan and worked for the campaign.

You are doing exactly what I suggested, parsing your statement with half truths in an effort to discredit someone.

Tater Salad on February 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Today we must all be aware that protocol takes precedence over procedure. However you say – WHAT THE – what does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must once again realize that the great fiction story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio… indicating that only a bilingual man can receive…the award for fiction, unlike Hillary Clinton whose fiction doesn’t hold water. Comrades – friends, we are gathered here not only to accept in behalf of one man without borders – one who has found that the world in itself which seems to be a time not of the toad – to quote even Rick Moron. And many people ask “Who are Rick Moron?” It’s not “Who are Rick Moron?” it’s “Who am Rick Moron?” This in itself is an edifice of the great glory that has gone beyond, and the intuitive feeling of the American people, based on the assumption that the intelligence not only as Mencken once said, “He who underestimates the American pubic will not go broke.” This is merely a small indication of this vast throng gathered here to once again behold and to perceive that which has gone behind and to that which might go forward into the future…we’ve got to hurdle these obstacles. This is the main deterrent upon which we have gathered our strength and all the others who say, “What the hell did that get?” – We don’t know. We’ve got to perforce support the cute bilingual boy… And as Miller once said in one of his great novels- what did he … that language is only necessary when communication is endangered. And you sit there bewildered, and Pinter who went further said “It is not the lack of communication but fear of communication.” That’s what the damn thing is it’s we fear – communication – especially bilingual communication. Oh – fortunately the prize has only been given to authors – unlike the Academy Award which is given to a female and a male, indicating the derision of the human species – Damn it! But we have no paranoia, and Mr. Pynchon has attained, and has created for himself serenity, and it is only the insanity that has kept him alive in his paranoia. We speak of the organ…of the orgasm…Who the hell wrote this? And the jury has determined to give the prize to Marco Rubio for his EARNESTY’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTY’S RAINBOW is a token of this man’s genius…he told me so himself…that he could…in other words, have been more specific, but rather than to allude to the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our shallow existence. God damn! Ladies and Gentlemen. To the distinguished panel on the, on the dais and to the other winners, for poetry and religion and science. The time will come when America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can’t remember which, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness, then opium…will be the opiate…Ahh that’s not a bad idea… we are going to need that … All right…However, I want to thank Mr. PUNDIT, ALLAH PUNDIT of the HOTGAS Press, who has made it possible for you people to be here this evening to enjoy the Friction Citation – the Fiction Citation. EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those that are dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where sex is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…But I do want to thank the bureau…I mean the committee, the organization for the $1,000 they’ve given out…tonight they made over $4,000,000 and I think that I have another appointment. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, I want to thank Mr. Rick Moron. I want to thank Mr. Lifson, who just ran through the auditorium, and I want to thank Marco Rubio, Mr. Obama – acting President of the Unites States – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and thank you.

RasThavas on February 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Michael Reagan: ‘We Never Saw or Met Karl Rove’ in 1980 Reagan Texas Campaign

That article prompted numerous conservative leaders to criticize Rove and on Feb. 7, on Fox’s The O’Reilly Factor, Rove addressed some of those critics and said, “I was the director of the Texas campaign for Ronald Reagan in the fall of 1980.”

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

RasThavas on February 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

TL;NP;DR.

Kent18 on February 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

What bugs me about Rubio is that 1) the establishment focused group them some Hispandering 2) Rubio was anointed as “The One! Improved! Now in Spanish”, and 3) Rubio evolved on amnesty in the blink of an eye. I don’t know the cause/effect order of how that happened, all I know is that Rubio’s core principles are not conservative. Rubio lied about amnesty to get elected in 2010, what else did he lie about? Trust but verify on his other policies.

sauldalinsky on February 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

B+ Saul
His relationship with Jeb here back in the day..was clue #1 for me.
Libya #2..his sudden evolving-in direct contridiction to what he said during the debates against Crist here, re:ileagal immigration was the straw for me. If you lie to me..wont help if its with sincerity.

bazil9 on February 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I don’t think that’s true in the slightest. If so, he never would’ve supported Rubio over Crist.

changer1701 on February 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM

You’re assuming that the only reason that Rove would support someone is electability – Crist spent a lot of time in Florida separating himself from the Bush clan. I’m sure that wouldn’t sit well with a loyalist of said Bush clan.

And, even with this group, which claims to have as its mandate to support the most conservative candidate that can win (a goal, incidentally, that I strongly subscribe to), there is no way for us to know that the support would actually be based on “electability.” Further, as I mentioned previously, I simply do not trust Rove’s (and, really, anyone’s who thought that Romney was electable) analysis of who is and is not “electable.”

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Limbaugh and Levin and Hannity all said in the past Rubio would be on the 2016 ticket and boy reading every anti Hispanic bigot on this thread confirms it for me.
Marcus on February 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Marcus, I don’t really know much about you, just what I read here at HA. You appear to be really hung up on this line of attack. I suggest as a fellow commenter you give it a rest. You are really appearing unhinged. I don’t mean this as an insult. Just an observation.

Bmore on February 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Or not, no matter, just caught my eye.

Bmore on February 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Remember Rove’s tirade against Christine O’Donnell the night she won the primary?

ROVE: It does conservatives little good to support candidates who, at the end of the day, while they may be conservative in their public statements, do not evince the characteristics of rectitude and truthfulness and sincerity and character that the voters are looking for.

Rove’s allowed to criticize O’Donnell for a supposed lack of “rectitude and truthfulness and sincerity and character,” but it’s positively over-the-line to point out that Rove doesn’t exactly evince those characteristics himself?

steebo77 on February 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

No, no. You did it wrong. It goes like this, …”Racists!”

Dongemaharu on February 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyu2jAD6sdo

;)

Kent18 on February 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

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