Obamanomics on parade: Hey, how about a minimum-wage hike to help the middle class?

posted at 12:41 pm on February 13, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

President Obama threw around quite a few deliberately misleading ‘statistics’ and ‘facts’ last night during his State of the Union, but among the most stupidly egregious was his claim (nay, his refrain) that the corporate world is currently rolling in the chips at the direct expense of the middle class, and that the middle class’s dire straits can only be absolved with more forcible big-government engineering: “Corporate profits have rocketed to all-time highs – but for more than a decade, wages and incomes have barely budged.”

Okay, President Obama, have it your way — the average hourly wage in real dollars has in fact been pretty flat for about fifty years, but wages and incomes are far from necessarily accurate measures of the economic growth and prosperity that make everyone better off. This is what economic growth really means: Not that incomes’ numerical value is increasing (which can be entirely meaningless, thanks to inflation), but that those incomes’ purchasing power is increasing.

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Now, it is definitely true that our economy has struggled to create jobs and wealth throughout this longtime economic “recovery” — which is stubbornly lingering because of the many top-heavy, overly bureaucratic and regulatory, growth-discouraging progressive policies under which businesses have been fighting for survival in the past few years. One of President Obama’s proffered solutions to this pickle? More government intervention and completely fake stimulus, obviously:

We know our economy is stronger when we reward an honest day’s work with honest wages. But today, a full-time worker making the minimum wage earns $14,500 a year. Even with the tax relief we’ve put in place, a family with two kids that earns the minimum wage still lives below the poverty line. That’s wrong. That’s why, since the last time this Congress raised the minimum wage, nineteen states have chosen to bump theirs even higher.

Tonight, let’s declare that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty, and raise the federal minimum wage to $9.00 an hour. This single step would raise the incomes of millions of working families. It could mean the difference between groceries or the food bank; rent or eviction; scraping by or finally getting ahead. For businesses across the country, it would mean customers with more money in their pockets. In fact, working folks shouldn’t have to wait year after year for the minimum wage to go up while CEO pay has never been higher.

(Do you suppose that maybe Big Labor is mad at him for something? Because this was about as pitiful as a bold-faced pander can get.)

Out of what magical hiding place is all of this extra money for minimum wage hikes supposed to come from? From the greedy, hoard-happy CEOs yucking it up over the little people? Wrong-o: This proposed minimum wage increase would make itself felt in the rest of the economy in any of several ways, mostly via higher prices and fewer jobs.

Higher prices and fewer jobs do not grow the economy, do not stimulate the middle class, do not enhance anyone’s purchasing power, and in the long run make everybody worse off. Just like pretty much all “well-meaning” government mega-programs and regulations meant specifically to stave off poverty, ever, the regressive consequences end up hurting the very people they’re meant to help.

I mean, come on; out of everything he might’ve proposed, a mandated minimum wage hike is practically tailor-made to worsen our national unemployment rate:

But the business community says it would be a job killer. A minimum wage hike “could be very problematic for segments of a struggling small-business community,” says the National Small Business Association in a statement.

David French, senior vice president for government relations at the National Retail Federation, said in a statement: “A minimum wage hike right now would be one more factor driving up costs for employers and creating headwinds for job creation, especially among the small businesses that create most of our nation’s new jobs.”

The Employment Policies Institute (EPI) has multiple studies showing how minimum wage hikes, “including the one called for by the president, lead to job loss, not job creation, as well as fail to reduce poverty or stimulate the economy,” says EPI spokesman Stephen Ford. …

Research published in the Southern Economic Journal from economists at Cornell and American Universities have estimated that a minimum wage hike proposed by the President “would eliminate at least 467,000 jobs,” notes EPI’s Ford. “The study also found that the higher minimum wage would not reduce poverty, as a majority of beneficiaries live in households with incomes about the poverty level.”

Obamanomics: Ruining the economy, one mistaken big-government attempt to fix it at a time.


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Always…A Dummy in Chief

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

It sure sounds fair to me.

From each according to his ability – to each according to his needs.

Drained Brain on February 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

It’s obvious that we need more government spending to get out of this mess. Anyone have a few trillion dollars that they can use to stimulate the economy? That’s sure to help the economy, just like it did four years ago.

Right?

Wino on February 13, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Prior to Obama’s thug marxist regime, the middle class did not
work for minimum wage (unless they were in an entry level position working their way “up”!).

Amjean on February 13, 2013 at 12:45 PM

These elected democrats are such pikers.

Raise the minimum wage to $27/hr.

Quit pussyfooting around and build utopia democrats.

tom daschle concerned on February 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Nothing hurts the middle class more than a minimum wage hike.

hatecraft on February 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Maybe Congress and the executive branch should work for minimum wage. Minimum wage workers produce far better results on a more consistent basis than they do.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

If you rich white reichwingers had your way, you would be paying everybody pennies per hour!
-any HA leftard

tom daschle concerned on February 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I can’t wait to pay $10 for a Big Mac//

JPeterman on February 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Nothing hurts the middle class more than a minimum wage hike.

hatecraft on February 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Au contraire, mon frere! Destruction of the traditional family does more damage.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Shorter Obamanomics: “Would you like lies with that?”

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I could use one…to bring my pay rate back up to before it was a month ago when they cut it due to all the new taxes to pay for the moochers.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I can’t wait to pay $10 for a Big Mac//

JPeterman on February 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Not to slam you, but that is such an overworn, discredited line.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM

tom daschle concerned on February 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I know! If the Republicans had any brains they would be seizing on the opportunity immediately, blanketing the MSM with mockery of Obama’s proposal and, with a laugh and smile, challenge him to raise it so that everybody is wealthy. After all, it isn’t fair that somebody else should have a lifestyle better than yours if you work equally as hard…right?

Decoski on February 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Help the middle class? With a raise in the mandated minimum wage?

Why not just confiscate everything that is not nailed down…from all those “rich” folk….those who file with an annual income of over $100k (celebrities, rap artists, anyone who supports Obama, excepted, of course) and just put all the rest of nation on permanent welfare…for life.

It might actually come out a lot cheaper in the long run.

Until all the money runs out.

But, we do not have a spending problem…we have some sort of problem paying off what we owe…and the “rich” are hoarding all the money. (Celebrities, rap artists, and Obama supporters, excepted, of course.).

So….let’s get with the program.

K?

coldwarrior on February 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM

This proposed minimum wage increase would make itself felt in the rest of the economy in any of several ways, mostly via higher prices and fewer jobs.

It’s working fine in France.

/Europe is our model

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 12:55 PM

This proposed minimum wage increase would make itself felt in the rest of the economy in any of several ways, mostly via higher prices and fewer jobs.

And it does nothing for those living on tips (myself included). If anything it detracts business and causes servers and other tip-dependent jobs to be unwanted (or deserted).

nobar on February 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

WMD level stupidity from Dear Liar. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, he isn’t.

rbj on February 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I’d suggest it is way past time the Federal government do something about banning the use of steriods to build stupid and enhance it’s performance, but like most everything else, they would just exempt themselves from the law.

Dusty on February 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I can’t wait to pay $10 for a Big Mac//

JPeterman on February 13, 2013 at 12:49 PM

The price of everything I buy is going up in 2013 compared to 2012. Gas, food, shoes, medical supplies, garments, taxes. And that’s before true inflation hits, or ObamaCare hits, or the economy gets worse because of Obama’s other policies.

$10 for a Big Mac. Maybe in 2 or 3 years. But aren’t today’s price increases bad enough?

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

You know what will be really neat? Ordering a Big Mac from a robot.

With these perverse disincentives to hire line workers, companies are going to be looking at options, and technology is seriously beginning to catch up. They’re already using robots to make cars and take care of old people, why not flip hamburgers?

The real losers will be the entry-level workers with no education and nothing on the resume, as usual.

JoseQuinones on February 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I suggest setting Barry’s salary at minimum wage.

Dack Thrombosis on February 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Several months back Subway was running an ad campaign featuring the “5 Dollar Footlong”. It was not available in San Francisco because the city’s minimum wage is too high. Lots of coverage on CA news stations.

koaiko on February 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Raise the minimum wage to $27/hr.

Quit pussyfooting around and build utopia democrats.

tom daschle concerned on February 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Don’t forget a maximum wage. Anything over $250K goes to the federal government. Nobody needs, nor deserves, to make over $250K.

WashJeff on February 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Supply and demand.

When the minimum wage is raised there will be fewer people employed. It’s almost like he does this on purpose.

Fallon on February 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Redistribution is the Solution!

Robin Hood only did Good!

Sequestration will Kill the Nation!

(Help me out here, folks.)

Jeffster on February 13, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Walter Williams on the minimum wage and black youth.

Attention Leftists… want to know one of the reasons why black youth unemployment is so high, and not getting better? Check out that video, then buy this and read it. Twice.

visions on February 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Even though he never ran one, I support Obama mandating minimum wages for kids operating lemonade stands.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM

You know what will be really neat? Ordering a Big Mac from a robot.

With these perverse disincentives to hire line workers, companies are going to be looking at options, and technology is seriously beginning to catch up. They’re already using robots to make cars and take care of old people, why not flip hamburgers?

JoseQuinones on February 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Technically speaking, computerized order systems STILL aren’t fast and bug-free enough, much less robots making orders physically. Bots physically capable of doing that stuff would be very expensive.

Also, that would really only be practical for prolefeed places like McDongalds and Toxic Bell where the only things they serve are simple, mass-made products that are supposed to all look and taste the same. No WAY you’ll get away with robotized orders at somewhere that people expect a little individuality in their meal.

Socially speaking, if companies flip the bird to too many working poor and fresh-graduated students, it will result in major unrest. We are not unwashed Englishmen in the 1800s who will all meekly file into workhouses. So be careful folks.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

The only thing that will happen if minimum wage is raised will be rapid automation of the low skilled jobs that pay minimum wage. Robots don’t need Obamacare neither.

HotAirian on February 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

$10 for a Big Mac. Maybe in 2 or 3 years. But aren’t today’s price increases bad enough?

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

They are, I can’t believe how much it now costs just to feed me, a single person. I can’t imagine how hard it is for an average family to feed and clothe themselves.

And don’t get me started on gas prices.

JPeterman on February 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

If you’re trying to support a family with two kids and you’re working a minimum wage job, you’re doing something wrong. I’d suggest you try and hold a job for a couple years at a time and see if you can get a promotion, or at least demonstrate to your next employer that you are capable of holding down a job for a while.

“Catherine says Eddie is holding out for a management position.”

CycloneCDB on February 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

It is like Clinton being flabbergasted to learn from Herman Cain that if Clintoncare went into effect, the price of pizza would rise.
Obama is so full of platitudes that he is oblivious to failure.

pat on February 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Obama, an economic genius of the first magnitude, is going to price-administer us to prosperity!

Why not make the minimum wage $20 an hour? Hell, make it $30.

This is the economic equivalent of a whoopee cushion. Or a Three Stooges skit — so abysmally stupid you can’t help laughing in spite of yourself.

Byron on February 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I have assumed for a while that Barack Obama was routinely lying and just didn’t really give a damn. That he had an agenda and that our ends justified his means (party time at the White House).

Is it possible that he, somehow, actually believes this stuff?

Is he both delusional and pathological? And the head of the free world?

Does this give anyone else chills? And not the down-the-leg kind.

IndieDogg on February 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Tonight, let’s declare that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty, and raise the federal minimum wage to $9.00 an hour.

.

With all the reductions in hours worked to avoid the Obamacare penalties for not providing insurance for full time employees, there will be less people working full time. I suppose it is not a problem for part time employees living in poverty, just the full time employees. Otherwise, why would he refer to only full time employees?

News2Use on February 13, 2013 at 1:10 PM

If you’re trying to support a family with two kids and you’re working a minimum wage job, you’re doing something wrong.

There is NOTHING ELSE.

Multiple min-wage jobs are the only way all but a lucky few can make a living, that’s what me and my GF will probably end up doing. My own father was fortunate to be temporarily hired as a consultant by his brother.

I’d suggest you try and hold a job for a couple years at a time and see if you can get a promotion, or at least demonstrate to your next employer that you are capable of holding down a job for a while.

CycloneCDB on February 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Try getting a job where you don’t have to meet ridiculous sales goals (nobody is buying anything in this economy) or that isn’t yanked out from under you in a month when the owner closes without warning.

Seriously, there is just nothing long-term anymore.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

“The way to crush the bourgeoisie is on the grindstone of taxation and inflation” – Lenin

wytshus on February 13, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Obama, an economic genius of the first magnitude, is going to price-administer us to prosperity!

Why not make the minimum wage $20 an hour? Hell, make it $30.

Byron on February 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Obama IS an idiot of the largest degree, but you’re deliberately missing the point of the minimum wage. Which is to keep employers from paying their fellow citizens like Asian peasants and there being nothing short of mass strikes a la the late 1800s. Trust me on this – you do not want that to happen again.

Now if we could only yank the illegal Mexican peasant they employ to try and get around that rule. (be thankful you haven’t faced mobs, traitors.)

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

If the minimum wage is raised…how long will older employees who were once getting paid “above” minimum wage react when the new guys, with no experience, who cannot tie their own shoes, are now eligible for that paltry wage the older employees were once getting, after a couple years at the job?

Every wage then gets skewed upward…and after the unions get a hold, well, gonna be a lot tougher to stretch that dollar…and that wonderful raise in minimum wage will actually cost everybody, to include that new minimum wage employee a lot more than they will be getting in their weekly pay check.

Has happened every single time since the federal government decided to involve themselves in the private wage market.

Jump over to federal, state and local government employment, and you will see taxpayer funded wages go up a good percentage higher than minimum wage, as well.

That, too, has happened every single time the federal government has involved itself in the private wage market.

It ain’t rocket science, folks.

coldwarrior on February 13, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Also, that would really only be practical for prolefeed places like McDongalds and Toxic Bell where the only things they serve are simple, mass-made products that are supposed to all look and taste the same. No WAY you’ll get away with robotized orders at somewhere that people expect a little individuality in their meal.

In other words, at the super-expensive, outrageously overpriced, European-style restaurants that you and your other effete liberal friends like Frasier Crane hang out at.

Yeah, we got you. But the rest of us live in the real world.

You have given us instant insight into the mind of the liberals. It’s all good as long as their policies don’t affect Le Cigar Volant or wherever they like to go.

JoseQuinones on February 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM

We need more teachers and we have to protect the jobs of our police officers.

tomas on February 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Is it possible that he, somehow, actually believes this stuff?
Is he both delusional and pathological? And the head of the free world?
Does this give anyone else chills? And not the down-the-leg kind.
IndieDogg on February

I am absolutely convinced he believes what he says. Even when contradictory. He is filled to the brim with liberal platitudes that transcend reality. He is oblivious to facts. They are mere distractions and points of disagreement to Obama.

pat on February 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM

The real losers will be the entry-level workers with no education and nothing on the resume, as usual.

JoseQuinones on February 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Nonsense! They win big time. They get welfare, unemployment, foodstamps, Obamaphone, etc. They have the whole social progressive package of reasons not to work, not to contribute to society, and why they vote Democrat. Work is for losers so long as you’ve got a rat-eared bastard and corrupt socialist party in charge.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Seriously, there is just nothing long-term anymore.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Got any technical skills? I get at least 2 new job offers a week for field work on automated manufacturing systems.

HotAirian on February 13, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Try getting a job where you don’t have to meet ridiculous sales goals (nobody is buying anything in this economy) or that isn’t yanked out from under you in a month when the owner closes without warning.
MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

OK…

Yep. Did it. Doing well. Try this secret method to success:

Work hard. Be honest. Provide a valuable service to your employer.

Wino on February 13, 2013 at 1:18 PM

“Less Robin Hood, more Adam Smith” — Rand Paul

Obama hates the middle class the most. He wants all of you in the poor bondage group.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

O/T
Sanders, Boxer to Introduce Major Climate Change Legislation

February 12, 2013

WASHINGTON, Feb 12 –Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) will hold a news conference on Thursday, Feb. 14 to announce comprehensive legislation on climate change. Boxer is Chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Sanders serves on the environment committee and also is a member of the Senate energy committee.

Under the legislation, a fee on carbon pollution emissions would fund historic investments in energy efficiency and sustainable energy technologies such as wind, solar, geothermal and biomass. The proposal also would provide rebates to consumers to offset any efforts by oil, coal or gas companies to raise prices.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/12/breaking-carbon-tax-bill-coming-thursday/

These libtards are truly trying to ruin this country! Any increase in the minimum wage will be crushed by a rise in prices of just about everything with this. Of course, it will most likely go nowhere.

Patriot Vet on February 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

In other words, at the super-expensive, outrageously overpriced, European-style restaurants that you and your other effete liberal friends like Frasier Crane hang out at.

You live in A$$land, that’s where you live. I posted technical reasons (in other words, FACTS) why trying to automate burger-flipping will be harder than some people might think, and you promptly act like a knuckle-dragging caveman.

When I take my GF to TGI Friday’s for Valentine’s Day, that will be a big day at a fancy place for the first time in half a year. That’s the kind of ” super-expensive, outrageously overpriced, European-style restaurants” I hang out at, douchenozzle.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Which is to keep employers from paying their fellow citizens like Asian peasants and there being nothing short of mass strikes a la the late 1800s.

?

tom daschle concerned on February 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM

OK…

Yep. Did it. Doing well. Try this secret method to success:

Work hard. Be honest. Provide a valuable service to your employer.

Wino on February 13, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Tried it all. Boss even likes me a lot. But after the holiday season the entire mall is DEAD.

Frankly I was lucky to be kept past the Christmas rush into the new year. There is literally almost nobody to sell to at the kiosk; and I can’t sell to people who aren’t there. Black Friday was heartbreaking…lamest BF I’ve ever seen…lotta shoppers looking discouraged.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

So, if $9.00/hr was a good idea, wouldn’t $25.00/hr be a super-great idea? Why shouldn’t every Dollar Tree employee have a starting wage of $50,000 per year?

DarthBrooks on February 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Jose, doesn’t it get tiresoe, carrying that chiparound on your shoulder all day?

Have you ever gotten a job from a poor man?

Take your class warfare blinders off.

Jose, can you see?

kingsjester on February 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Don’t we want to look to our leaders, particularly the President, for wisdom, understanding, judgment … even leadership? I don’t think Obama HAS any wisdom. It doesn’t take Stephen Hawking to understand the effect of increasing the minimum wage in a depressed economy. And yet Obama is pushing that, and so many other of his hopey-changey wishes and wants. But where is the wisdom, that comes from experience? Where’s the understanding we deserve in a President?

Searching for Obama’s leadership in his SOTU speech — when we got there, there was no there, there.

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Socially speaking, if companies flip the bird to too many working poor and fresh-graduated students, it will result in major unrest. We are not unwashed Englishmen in the 1800s who will all meekly file into workhouses. So be careful folks.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM

From a business standpoint, no company is going to hire-on unskilled labor at state-mandated rates that are absurd. There will be far more part-time workers thanks to the demands of Obamacare for anybody working 30 hours or more. So if that leads a bunch of unemployable commies to rise up in the great hamburger riots of 2014 so be it. Clearly if you can’t get a better job than flipping burgers then you really are a drain on society to begin with, probably are on your way to breeding the next generation of moochers, pay nothing in taxes, and could disappear tomorrow without it making one iota of difference.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Every wage then gets skewed upward…and after the unions get a hold, well, gonna be a lot tougher to stretch that dollar…and that wonderful raise in minimum wage will actually cost everybody, to include that new minimum wage employee a lot more than they will be getting in their weekly pay check.

Most, if not all union contract wages are tied to the minimum wage. Ergo, when the minimum wage is raised, so too are union wages. Which is why employee unions just love having the minimum wage notched up.

hawkeye54 on February 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM

O/T
Sanders, Boxer to Introduce Major Climate Change Legislation

They both belong in a creche. May nature alter them beyond recognition, the fools. May it get really hot/cold for them. I hope they freeze, in the dark, hungry, suffering for all their ills.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM

tom daschle concerned on February 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Computer ate part of that sentence.

It used to be that about the only way to raise your wages was for an entire section (or even most of the plant) to go on strikes that could last a month and involve everything from threats to hired thugs in order to keep you from succeeding. Stuff like this happened for wages being cut by less than a penny. Unions were formed because only mass peaceful negotiation could do jack.

The purpose of the minimum wage was to at least provide some small barrier to American citizens from being treated like English mill workers, who had an even WORSE time.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Tried it all.
MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

You missed the last sentence. If your service was valuable, you’d be successful. You just indicated you work in retail sales. It’s amazing how many people in retail sales are actually making a good living while you’re apparently one step away from living in a shelter.

It couldn’t be your defeatist, morose, dejected demeanor that turns people off and makes them look discouraged. Perhaps they were looking for a smiling sales rep who didn’t act like Debbie Downer.

I guess I need to add one more item to my “be successful” formula:

Act like you don’t hate your job, your life, and the world in general.

Wino on February 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Geez. Of all the horrible ideas I was anticipating from Obama, this was not one of them. I’m hoping the House GOP opposes this because a minimum wage hike to 9 bucks an hour would devastate an economy that’s already full of too many low-paying gigs.

Doughboy on February 13, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Don’t we want to look to our leaders, particularly the President, for wisdom, understanding, judgment … even leadership?

Nah, most voters just look to our leaders to give them stuff bought by the redistributed tax revenue provided by those undeserving of much of the wealth government taxes.

hawkeye54 on February 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Seems to me that if you want to help the middle class, you need to make sure that jobs are available. I’m totally unable to understand how raising taxes on small businesses, dumping boat loads of regulations on small businesses and the Not-Afforable Care Act is going to help the middle class.

Government programs and handouts do not create jobs, they create dependents.

WestTexasBirdDog on February 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

It couldn’t be your defeatist, morose, dejected demeanor that turns people off and makes them look discouraged. Perhaps they were looking for a smiling sales rep who didn’t act like Debbie Downer.

Wino on February 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

If you think I act IRL like I do online you have poor perception.

I can literally greet every person passing by who isn’t a child and ask them to come see our sales, and maybe a few people a minute say anything but “no thank you”. EVERY business in the mall is suffering, BTW.

The corporate suits are cutting everyone who isn’t a long-timer. My last shot is a long-shot certification test.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Obama reminds me of the meme started by Peter Arnett ‘reporting’ on the Vietnam War, when he claimed that he was told :

It became necessary to destroy the town to save it’,

Well, The punk, 0bama seems to believe that it has become necessary to destroy the economy to save the economy.

Who am I kidding. He doesn’t want to save the economy. He only wants to destroy it.

Only the ignorant fool liberals that support him think he actually wants to make things better for them.

LegendHasIt on February 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM

You’ll have to pardon Barry, he never studied economics. As far as he’s concerned, everything is “free”.

GarandFan on February 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Well, The punk, 0bama seems to believe that it has become necessary to destroy the economy to save the economy.

Who am I kidding. He doesn’t want to save the economy. He only wants to destroy it.

LegendHasIt on February 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM

He – and many liberals – wants to tear it all down and replace it in his own image. They aren’t the people who might stand outside a factory, in shabby clothes and in tears, holding a sign that says “Robots don’t need to feed their families!” They’re the people who want a Marxist utopia.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Don’t we want to look to our leaders, particularly the President, for wisdom, understanding, judgment … even leadership?

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

No. Our leaders are not Santa Claus. What we want from our leaders is a society that provides everybody with opportunity, including the opportunity to fail. This runs counter to the idea that unskilled burger flippers should be paid per hour 25% of what teachers get with at least a college education ($9 v. $36). And since so much of the work force is from south of the border, let’s keep in mind that $9/hour for unskilled labor is over half of what a teacher in Mexico makes ($17/hour). If somebody wants more than minimum wages then they need the opportunity to improve their skills. This doesn’t come from essentially paying them far more than they are worth.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM

When you delete the phrasing and spin of a politician, you get to the bottom line.

Nobody except a very slim percentage of liberals would disagree that the economy is horrible and the recession has never ended. So how, then, is the problem defined.

With Obama, the bottom line is that America’s economic problem is that “corporate profits have rocketed to all-time highs.” To think otherwise is to not believe your own ears.

HitNRun on February 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Computer ate part of that sentence.

It used to be that about the only way to raise your wages was for an entire section (or even most of the plant) to go on strikes that could last a month and involve everything from threats to hired thugs in order to keep you from succeeding. Stuff like this happened for wages being cut by less than a penny. Unions were formed because only mass peaceful negotiation could do jack.

The purpose of the minimum wage was to at least provide some small barrier to American citizens from being treated like English mill workers, who had an even WORSE time.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I’m making nearly 3x what I was making just 6 years ago without gubmint or anyone else doing anything.

I woke up, put on a cup, and hit it. Gotta hustle out there.

tom daschle concerned on February 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

It became necessary to destroy the town to save it’,

That’s a basic Cloward-Piven philosophical tenant.

ProfShadow on February 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Which is to keep employers from paying their fellow citizens like Asian peasants

Many many employers are doing exactly this…today…and if one recalls back in the Clinton Administration everybody was on board with globalization and the global economy.

Funny thing. Have yet to find a single successful entrepreneur (other than those Solyndra folks…but that is another story, entirely) that went into business or started up a company with the intention to lose every penny they ever had.

No, most, if not all, to include the Solyndra types, were all motivated by…what’s that word, kids? Yes, profit.

So, if you own a business, with two employees or two hundred thousand employees…and you have to stay above that necessary level of profit to stay in business, what are your choices?

Charge more for the same or less product or service?

Lower costs of labor?

Find cheaper sources for materials and product? Labor?

Pay sky high wages because you really want to be really really fair and not be motivated by that old evil notion of actually making money. Costs meann nothing. It is all about being fair, right? [Obama School of Economics.]

So, seems that “Asian peasants” are already the employee of opportunity across the globe.

That is, until they find out they can earn more and demand more, and move out of borderline poverty into a newer more capable middle class.

Look at India…not a land of dismal prospects anymore.

Mainland China, likewise.

Gonna be a whole lot of unrest in Asia, sooner rather than later.

Us? here in the US?

Get used to being a declining economy, and having less purchasing power than that guy out in Wuhung, China or Mahdressismapajamas, India, presently enjoys.

Rising economies raise all participants.

Declining economies simply do not. Cannot.

coldwarrior on February 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Take your class warfare blinders off.

Jose, can you see?

Wut?

My comment was the OPPOSITE of class warfare. I’m saying that this rise in minimum wages is a terrible idea because it will only hasten the automation of everything – yes, even line jobs at MelonCollie’s TGI Friday’s – because technology is rapidly catching up to the capabilities of humans.

Look at this robot. You think this can’t pour the garlic sauce on your salmon or replenish the salad bar?

Of course there will always be a need for a certain level of human involvement, but these robots are going to wipe out the entry level positions. It may be the way the economy is inevitably headed, but Obama’s policies will hasten it.

JoseQuinones on February 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

If you’re trying to support a family with two kids and you’re working a minimum wage job, you’re doing something wrong.

There is NOTHING ELSE.

Multiple min-wage jobs are the only way all but a lucky few can make a living, that’s what me and my GF will probably end up doing. My own father was fortunate to be temporarily hired as a consultant by his brother.

I’d suggest you try and hold a job for a couple years at a time and see if you can get a promotion, or at least demonstrate to your next employer that you are capable of holding down a job for a while.

CycloneCDB on February 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Try getting a job where you don’t have to meet ridiculous sales goals (nobody is buying anything in this economy) or that isn’t yanked out from under you in a month when the owner closes without warning.

Seriously, there is just nothing long-term anymore.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

I didn’t say that if you’re working multiple jobs or busting your ass that you’re doing it wrong. I said – contrary to what Baraka thinks – me, as a head of household, should not expect to go work 40 hours a week at a minumum wage job and be able to support my family on that alone.

I get that there’s not a lot of great work out there – but I also know FAAAAAAR too many people that have thrown in the towel and said “if I can’t get precisely what I had/want, then I’ll just sit it out and wait for the UE check to show up.”

And the notion that the mere act of working full-time entitles you to a minimum standard of living is straight out of the Communist Manifesto.

Like someone else said – work hard, provide a valuable service, be honest. That, in and of itself will differentiate one from 95% of the rest of the pack.

CycloneCDB on February 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

You’re right. The entire world is against you. You should just quit your job and go on welfare. Woe is you! Maybe, just maybe, you should improve your skill set and try doing something for yourself rather than complaining that it’s everyone else’s fault and the economy and no one is buying anything at all and locusts and plague and mud puddles!

Optimism only works for the rich.

You’re pathetic. Maybe that’s your problem.

Wino on February 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

You’ll have to pardon Barry, he never studied economics. As far as he’s concerned, everything is “free”.

GarandFan on February 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Actually, he’s more sweetheart deals for himself and his cronies. You can just see him giving away “free” ice cream to his Choom buddies when he worked at Baskin Robbings (SWIDT?) in the Summer of ’75.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

I’m making nearly 3x what I was making just 6 years ago without gubmint or anyone else doing anything.

I woke up, put on a cup, and hit it. Gotta hustle out there.

tom daschle concerned on February 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

A-freaking-men.

CycloneCDB on February 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

If you think I act IRL like I do online you have poor perception.

I can literally greet every person passing by who isn’t a child and ask them to come see our sales, and maybe a few people a minute say anything but “no thank you”. EVERY business in the mall is suffering, BTW.

The corporate suits are cutting everyone who isn’t a long-timer. My last shot is a long-shot certification test.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

You are not a sales person, you are an order taker.

Big difference.

I have worked in sales all my life, from the late 1980′s until today. I craft my skills and GET BUSINESS – currently in a position that offers the highest priced system compared to competitors – and magically am succeeding.

The moment a “sales person” comes in a complains about their sales – I always ask” what are you doing about it” as does any successful person selling.

There are sales people and people who can’t sell who think they are sales people.

My I suggest TD’s approach and or simply dropping $1 at Redbox for Glen Garry Glen Ross? You are stuck in 3rd place.

Odie1941 on February 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Full-time being something that will make it all just go away…

RalphyBoy on February 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I can literally greet every person passing by who isn’t a child and ask them to come see our sales, and maybe a few people a minute say anything but “no thank you”. EVERY business in the mall is suffering, BTW.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I think I see the problem. You seem to think that people are out of line for saying “no thank you” if they aren’t interested in what you are hawking. You aren’t entitled to their time or business.

Are you sure you’re cut out for retail sales? It doesn’t sound like it. Perhaps you’d be happier in another line of work.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Corporate profits have rocketed to all-time highs – but for more than a decade, wages and incomes have barely budged.”

Okay, President Obama, have it your way — the average hourly wage in real dollars has in fact been pretty flat for about fifty years, but wages and incomes are far from necessarily accurate measures of the economic growth and prosperity that make everyone better off.

The question should be have the pecentages of profits for both the executives and the general populations of employees been about the same?

if profits are greater, than all empoyees share in the wealth should be the same.

paulsur on February 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

You can live on the minimum wage. I did at at just over $5 per hour, me and my wife. If you can’t afford the latest I-whatever gadget tough crap. Work hard and be thankful you live in a country where you can earn the minimum wage and have a roof over your head and food on the table (plus cable, a cell phone, Xbox and plenty of other toys).

RW Wacko on February 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Maybe, just maybe, you should improve your skill set and try doing something for yourself rather than complaining that it’s everyone else’s fault and the economy and no one is buying anything at all and locusts and plague and mud puddles!

Wino on February 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Amen. Take a look around your town. See all those repos? Yep, you can buy one for pennies on the dollar, fix it up a bit, and rent it out for $450-700 a month. Wash, rinse, repeat. Banks are desperate to get the repos off their books and will work with you if you’ve presently got a job or some assets.

Waiting around for the rug to be pulled out from under you accomplishes nothing. Get busy weaving a safety net now.

Just one free idea of many.

JoseQuinones on February 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM

The moment a “sales person” comes in a complains about their sales – I always ask” what are you doing about it” as does any successful person selling.

There are sales people and people who can’t sell who think they are sales people.

Odie1941 on February 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

A co-worker’s brother sells real estate in one of the pricier areas of Southern California. He’s done it for decades. For him, one of the upsides of the economic downturn was that it culled the herd.

When the market was booming, the number of “realtors” skyrocketed. And it was easy money. You put a listing on the market and then sat back as multiple offers came in within days. Well, many of these people were not sales-oriented they were offer-oriented and didn’t know what to do when they actually had to market a home in a buyers’ market.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2013 at 1:47 PM

I think I see the problem. You seem to think that people are out of line for saying “no thank you” if they aren’t interested in what you are hawking. You aren’t entitled to their time or business.

Are you sure you’re cut out for retail sales? It doesn’t sound like it. Perhaps you’d be happier in another line of work.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

You think wrong, but thank you for being polite. Here’s the deal: maybe a couple hundred customers per day come through the entire mall. There are dozens of businesses. We have to get our daily bread off of whatever little slice might want to buy a watch or have theirs serviced. EVERYONE is suffering. The Tea Shop is hurting even worse.

I’d work what I got my degree for (electronics) if anyone from the freaking Geek Squad to major companies was hiring for that. I have literally run up against dozens of positions I could do in my sleep, but they had “X years of experience needed” for a position a trained circus monkey could do.

You’re pathetic. Maybe that’s your problem.

Wino on February 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

You’re a 150-lb douchebag who hates anyone who can’t make as much as you, that’s your problem.

Try being lied to your face by the manager or supervisor, well over a hundred times that you’ll get so much as a call back even if they don’t want you. Try not being able to trust free-market businesspeople more than a DC politician. That freaking HURTS. I used to have some faith in the free market for pete’s sake.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Actually, he’s more sweetheart deals for himself and his cronies. You can just see him giving away “free” ice cream to his Choom buddies when he worked at Baskin Robbings (SWIDT?) in the Summer of ’75.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 1:39 PM

This anecdote combined with a few others said volumes to me about Obama’s character and outlook. Another is how he twists the meaning of Scriptures, which is bad enough, but he goes a step further to use it to justify his public policy positions. It’s so morally perverse.

O’s BR employer had to wonder why he wasn’t making a profit anymore after he hired Obama. Obama stickin’ it to “the Man”. Who’s paying him. But what does he care. The guy who owns the Ice Cream Shoppe, he didn’t build that; he didn’t make that happen.

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

A co-worker’s brother sells real estate in one of the pricier areas of Southern California. He’s done it for decades. For him, one of the upsides of the economic downturn was that it culled the herd.

When the market was booming, the number of “realtors” skyrocketed. And it was easy money. You put a listing on the market and then sat back as multiple offers came in within days. Well, many of these people were not sales-oriented they were offer-oriented and didn’t know what to do when they actually had to market a home in a buyers’ market.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Funny you mentioned that – I provide tech for real estate brokerages…

“Shift” by Gary Keller (of Keller Williams fame) – covers exactly what you are saying. When its a high valued sellers market – a ham sandwich can close a deal. When it turns (as in financial sectors and others) – it culls the herd and allows true professionals the ability to both survive, while gaining net market share in their area.

It may seem harsh – but the best advice for someone who KNOWS retail is down and KNOWS people aren’t buying in their mall – is to do something else. Wishful thinking is for dreamers.

Knowing what you are good at isn’t nearly as important as knowing what you aren’t good at.

Odie1941 on February 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM

If you can’t afford the latest I-whatever gadget tough crap. Work hard and be thankful you live in a country where you can earn the minimum wage and have a roof over your head and food on the table (plus cable, a cell phone, Xbox and plenty of other toys).

RW Wacko on February 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Another baseless accusation of wanting lots of gadgets.

Last techno-gizmo I bought was a backup drive at a garage sale, for the computer I was given as a highschool graduation gift. I will probably never buy another video game ever. Ipod nano was a door prize at a college fair where I happened to be the only HS sophomore.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM

It may seem harsh – but the best advice for someone who KNOWS retail is down and KNOWS people aren’t buying in their mall – is to do something else.

Odie1941 on February 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Oh don’t worry, I’ll soon be back to filling out rejection slips job applications and having your free-market heroes lying to my face. Like I said the cert is a long shot, though I’ll take it to say I did try.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM

I have assumed for a while that Barack Obama was routinely lying and just didn’t really give a damn. That he had an agenda and that our ends justified his means (party time at the White House).

Is it possible that he, somehow, actually believes this stuff?

Is he both delusional and pathological? And the head of the free world?

Does this give anyone else chills? And not the down-the-leg kind.

IndieDogg on February 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

On the contrary, it doesn’t scare me at all if that he believes this….I expect a die-hard Progressive to be that way.

What should really keep you up at night, clinging to your Guns, Religion and Wallet is the fact that at least 45% of the Electorate believes it too…and re-elected this…gentleman.

BlaxPac on February 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

What should really keep you up at night, clinging to your Guns, Religion and Wallet is the fact that at least 45% of the Electorate believes it too…and re-elected this…gentleman.

BlaxPac on February 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

And a terrifying portion of them are from my generation. I do not have words strong enough to condemn my peers who voted for this smirking chimp once, let alone the second time!!!

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

It may seem harsh – but the best advice for someone who KNOWS retail is down and KNOWS people aren’t buying in their mall – is to do something else.

Odie1941 on February 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM

As a former mid-level Managment worker in retail (big box & high end) thanks for the update.

Execept the years I was out of work, in a industry that had a history of “easy hire” for those that want it, is really struggling under this Admintsraion.

Currently I am underemployed, driving 2 hours a day to a job that barely keeps me above water…and I’m not the only one.

You think the jobs rate is bad right now? What happens when another major retailer like JC Penny, Sears/K-Mart or Best Buy eats it? You think it MIGHT cause a hiccup in the stock market and the Budgets of the States those Corporations call home?

BlaxPac on February 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Keep your chin up, dude. It’s hard out there for a lot of hard-working people, but don’t get too discouraged. And good luck with your next job, if the mall gig doesn’t pan out.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Oh don’t worry, I’ll soon be back to filling out rejection slips job applications and having your free-market heroes lying to my face. Like I said the cert is a long shot, though I’ll take it to say I did try.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Trying accomplishes nothing. And I am qualified to gauge you – for instinct and the ability to read someone is key to successful sales.

You hate your job, bosses, your career, buyers, and even the entire free market.

A cert will do nothing but let you down – for you aren’t goal oriented or hungry enough to succeed in sales.

Thick skin really matters, its not the success of sales that makes anyone – its the ability to keep at it – through failure. I hammer the phone 95% of my day. Some days are “no, get lost, hang up, no f-you, no, get lost” – its the days that I close business that matter. Its also the only thing my President cares about and I feed my family with.

I can blame 101 things, people, objects, trends, smells or anything else in the book to fail.

I really suggest you get in the game and understand what it takes to be successful. You can read 500 books, seminars, workshops – etc – 99% of the secret to the sauce is the same: work hard, work smart, don’t give up and don’t blame anyone or anything to fail.

With that said, lunch is over – I will now spend the next 6 hours earning a sale – then hopefully will get home before my 9 month old is asleep.

Good luck.

Odie1941 on February 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Execept the years I was out of work, in a industry that had a history of “easy hire” for those that want it, is really struggling under this Admintsraion.

I’m starting to hear that a lot of so-called “Easy hire” jobs are either badly exaggerated, outright bunk, required inside connections and/or a ridiculously specialized skillset, or were “easy hire” before Obama.

You think the jobs rate is bad right now? What happens when another major retailer like JC Penny, Sears/K-Mart or Best Buy eats it? You think it MIGHT cause a hiccup in the stock market and the Budgets of the States those Corporations call home?

BlaxPac on February 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

*shudder*

That’s the most frightening thing of all: it’s only going to get worse under Obama. And there ain’t a darn thing we can do about it; we are barely at voting parity, nevermind being the majority.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Good luck.

Odie1941 on February 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Good luck wishes from you are a joke.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Taking the minimum wage to $9 an hour is a 24% increase. By what stretch of the imagination do the kids who work at McDonalds or Del Taco that can’t get my order right deserve a 24% raise?

Minimum wage MORE than meets the poverty standard for ONE. H

How about this, if you CAN’T earn more than minimum wage….DO NOT HAVE TWO KIDS. Problem solved.

All liberals, go into the boss’s office and ask for a 24% raise. Let’s see what the responses are.

originalpechanga on February 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

And a terrifying portion of them are from my generation.

I know what you feel: They’re from MY generation AND minority group. It is obscene on how..causal most are comfortable on “handouts” from Uncle Sugar. And I’m not talking about “short term”, I’m talking Generational, Institutional addiction to the Federal teat.

I do not have words strong enough to condemn my peers who voted for this smirking chimp once, let alone the second time!!!

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I do. I call them “Obama Voters”.

Frankly I can’t think of a worse insult than that.

God Save the Republic.

BlaxPac on February 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM

How about this, if you CAN’T earn more than minimum wage….DO NOT HAVE TWO KIDS. Problem solved.

originalpechanga on February 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Watch the next thread where there’s a shortage of children born to non-Democrat welfare voters. I can almost guarantee you there won’t be a call to do something that might actually help my generation afford to have families.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM

I know what you feel: They’re from MY generation AND minority group. It is obscene on how..causal most are comfortable on “handouts” from Uncle Sugar. And I’m not talking about “short term”, I’m talking Generational, Institutional addiction to the Federal teat.

BlaxPac on February 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Oh ouch. I think I get what you mean…that must really be painful.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

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