Investigators remove body from Big Bear house after firefight; Update: AP: Driver’s license found at scene

posted at 10:01 am on February 13, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

After a couple of false alarms, San Bernardino County law enforcement believed they found the most-wanted man in America — the cop-turned-serial-killer Christopher Dorner.  After a traffic stop turned into a gunfight, the suspect retreated into a cabin in Big Bear, a remote resort town in the mountains that is known for its winter sports rather than police standoffs.  One deputy got killed and another wounded in the initial fight, and hours later the cabin burst into flames.  Investigators hauled out the charred remains of the suspect, whom they hope to identify — fast:

After what LAPD Chief Charlie Beck called “a bittersweet night,” investigators Wednesday were in the process of identifying the human remains found in the charred cabin where fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner was believed to have been holed up after trading gunfire with officers, authorities said.

If the body is identified as Dorner’s, the standoff would end a weeklong manhunt for the ex-LAPD officer and Navy Reserve lieutenant suspected in a string of shootings following his firing by the Los Angeles Police Department several years ago. Four people have died in the case, allegedly at Dorner’s hands.

Beck said he would not consider the manhunt over until the body was identified as Dorner. Police remained on tactical alert and were conducting themselves as if nothing had changed in the case, officials said.

The latest burst of gunfire came Tuesday after the suspect, attempting to flee law enforcement officials, fatally shot a San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputy and seriously injured another, officials said. He then barricaded himself in a wooden cabin outside Big Bear, not far from ski resorts in the snow-capped San Bernardino Mountains east of Los Angeles, according to police.

Given the circumstances and Dorner’s publicized manifesto, law enforcement assumed that negotiations would be fruitless.  Instead, they worked on eliminating the gunman’s cover, and weren’t messing around, either:

Just before 5 p.m., authorities smashed the cabin’s windows, pumped in tear gas and called for the suspect to surrender, officials said. They got no response. Then, using a demolition vehicle, they tore down the cabin’s walls one by one. When they reached the last wall, they heard a gunshot. Then the cabin burst into flames, officials said.

Initially, the suspect took two maids hostage, but they managed to slip out of their bonds and call 9/11 after he had left:

The discovery of a man who police believe to be Christopher Dorner began when two maids ran into him Tuesday morning as they arrived to clean a vacant cabin in the Big Bear area near where the fugitive ex-cop’s car was set ablaze last week.

The two maids entered a cabin in the 1200 block of Club View Drive, close to Snow Summit and Bear Mountain Resort, and surprised a man who they said resembled the fugitive, a law enforcement official said. The man tied up the maids, and then took off in a purple Nissan parked near the cabin, authorities said.

One of the maids was eventually able to break free and called 911 at 12:20 p.m., officials said.

Nearly half an hour later, the suspect was allegedly driving on California 38 when he passed a marked vehicle driven by the agency’s law enforcement officers.

They recognized the suspect as he passed and swung their vehicle around in pursuit.

The suspect attempted to evade them by turning off onto Glass Road, and at some point crashed and abandoned the small car.

He tried carjacking another vehicle to get away, allowing the driver to leave with his dog.  Apparently, he hoped that the change in vehicle would allow him to get away. No such luck:

He then sped off in the Dodge extended-cab pickup — and quickly encountered two Department of Fish and Wildlife trucks.

As the suspect zoomed past the officers, he rolled down his window and fired about 15 to 20 rounds. One of the officers jumped out and shot a high-powered rifle at the fleeing truck.

The suspect subsequently crashed that truck and ran into the woods. He ended up in a cabin.

More bad luck for the suspect — the game warden was a former Marine:

The pursuit culminated in what officials described as a wild shootout between the man and one of the wardens. The suspect rolled down his window and opened fire into the approaching Fish and Wildlife truck as the vehicles passed just two feet apart, officials said. The shots shattered the driver’s side window and damaged the state truck.

The warden, a 35-year-old former Marine, jumped out and fired 20 rounds from a high-powered rifle as the suspect fled in a hijacked truck, officials said.

Sources said the warden, who has been with the department for 2 1/2 years, had never fired his weapon in the line of duty, nor had he ever been fired on in his state job.

 
They had better hope this was Chris Dorner, although the carjacking and gunfight certainly justifies the actions taken in this standoff either way. They just don’t want to have to do this all over again.

Speaking of which, this CBS reporter probably hopes he never has to cover a story like this quite so closely, either:

Update: The AP reports that Dorner’s driver’s license was found on the scene:

The search ended Tuesday when a man believed to be Dorner bolted from hiding, stole two cars, barricaded himself in a vacant cabin and mounted a last stand in a furious shootout in which he killed one sheriff’s deputy and wounded another before the building erupted in flames.

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver’s license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

If this is true, then it’s all but confirmed.


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…and their imagination gone wild (as usual) trying to invent support from left for Dorner.
 
lester on February 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM

 

rogerb and his opinion on how gangs rarely use guns (yes, it sound as stupid as you think) oddly absent.
 
lester on December 26, 2012 at 12:16 PM

 
Tell us more about your anti-inventing stance, lester.

rogerb on February 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

and Hillary.

Wagthatdog on February 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM

And to Lil Barry, the dog-eating boy.

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Last night, on another thread, one well-known and especially obnoxious troll warned we pro-Second people that this sort of thing will happen to all of us if we resist confiscation of our firearms.

If that is what the Left is promising us, then the outcome is pre-determined isn’t it – gunowners will have no choice then but to resist the tyrannical usurpation of the Constitution.
Just remember that when you set out to confiscate all those firearms, bring an abundant supply of body-bags; you’re going to need them.

As to the Marine (once a Marine, always a Marine) now working as a Game Warden:
If he was armed with an AR-type rifle in caliber 5.56x45mm, the poachers he may have to deal with are generally armed with rifles of much greater power, and with greater range capabilities.

Another Drew on February 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM

rogerb on February 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

We know how this works: If it can’t be proven the Left is 100% behind something, then the Left can’t be accused at all. But if one Conservative says or does something unseemly, the entire Right is under indictment.

Liam on February 13, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Was any bottled water found in the cabin? If so, there goes all of Dorner’s credibility.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 12:32 PM

applies to romney too, doncha think?

renalin on February 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Corollary to Godwin’s Law, now playing at Blogs Near You!

AesopFan on February 13, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM

you romneybots kill me.

renalin on February 13, 2013 at 12:34 PM

As for the found DL, I agree some remnant could have survived in a folded billfold. But, if I remember correctly it was reported he threw his badge and billfold out the window of his truck last week. Did he keep his license so he would not get a ticket for driving with no license? Something about the DL does not add up.

UncleZeb on February 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Hey Dusty, if they’d fake the body, don’t you suppose they’d also fake the ID?

[Don L on February 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM]

I’m not suggesting LE was faking the body. They don’t have a reason to do so, from an interest POV. Or the Driver ID, for that matter.

I was suggesting Dorner might have, if he’d planned it out, which the his manifesto hints at if he was at all serious in what he says. I put his manifesto at 99% bravado, but like I said I’d do some checking wrt the 1% just in case.

Dusty on February 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Old and Busted: Dorner’s license to kill
New Hotness: Dorner’s license to drive

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Old and Busted: Fire can’t melt steel
New Hotness: Fire can melt laminated plastic

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Last night, on another thread, one well-known and especially obnoxious troll warned we pro-Second people that this sort of thing will happen to all of us if we resist confiscation of our firearms…
 
Another Drew on February 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM

 
It must be so weird for them to have just gotten used to praising drone strikes and administrative killings of citizens before suddenly having to proclaim support for LEOs.
 
I’d make a we’ve-always-been-at-war-with-Eastasia joke, but they wouldn’t catch it without googling.

rogerb on February 13, 2013 at 12:45 PM

but I can’t imagine how he’d get away unseen surrounded on all sides as he was, unless he escaped by tunneling his way beneath the house. That’s an unlikely scenario to me.

[RepubChica on February 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM]

Yeah. I don’t know the detailed sequence of events to say one way or the other. For instance I don’t know how long it was between coming up to the cabin and it being surrounded.

Could a recording of gunfire create a successful impression among trigger happy LE that he’s in there. With LE all on edge, tripping a shootout might be all that is needed to implant that idea whether it is true or not and then no one questions the idea. If it started before the cabin was surrounded he could have left then. He could have had it on a timer, with a body already placed with his wallet left and he could have been 300 yards away and bugging out without their realizing it.

Besides not knowing the details, I don’t think he was the typical nutcase, that’s why I don’t want to accept the apparent conclusion in this case.

Dusty on February 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Terrorism (n)

Systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.

Dorner was a domestic terrorist.

It is the Obama policy to kill American citizen terrorists without trial.

Stop whining, liberals, this is your dear leaders’ method of operation.

MichaelGabriel on February 13, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Hmm, sounds like what a certain administration is doing regarding “gun violence”.

Nutstuyu on February 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Unless it is an LAPD lie, Djorner killed the child of one of his supposed “enemies” in revenge over a lost job. Unless you are without wits, that kind of punches his ticket on right or wrong right there. Even if all Djorners grievances were true, that cancels them. Even if the LAPD were the evil monsters Djorner said they were, that’s cancelled too.

I suspect Djorner led a full “chip on the shoulder life” with more decks of race cards on him then bullet magazines.

BL@KBIRD on February 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM

you romneybots kill me.

renalin on February 13, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Actually, it would seem that you’d have more to worry about on that score from leftards – such as yourself – who worship d’ohbama and everything on the left.
Leftists seem to be the violent ones.

I’ll bet you love moochelle’s bangs too.

go-o-o-o-o #teamdorner! (that made you feel better, didn’t it?)

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Yep just checked timeline. LOT found his ID on feb 6.

UncleZeb on February 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

LOT should be LO.

UncleZeb on February 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM

I am not fond of ipad spellcheck.

UncleZeb on February 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

I am not fond of ipad spellcheck.

UncleZeb on February 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

The auto-submit button is neat, though.

/

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I am just glad they got him. My guess is that he killed himself. A dental record check should be very easy to perform today.

SC.Charlie on February 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

It seems to me that Christopher Dorner was the most ordinary of liberal specimens. He was, after all, a swaggering, narcissistic sociopath that suffered from delusions of godhood. The man was incapable of rational thought or honest self-examination — which made him oblivious to his own utter incompetence. Predictably, like all liberals, he was filled with rage against an imaginary enemy. No one should be surprised that he indiscriminately murdered a lot of innocent people that had absolutely nothing to do with his circumstances — innocents that he nevertheless blamed and punished for all the “injustices” that drove his obsessions with self-pity and perceived victim-hood. Liberals have a long, documented history of carrying out crimes like this on a regular basis — and frequently, on an even grander scale than what we witnessed here.

Was Dorner really all that different from all of the other certifiably insane liberals that permeate our modern day society? Or did he simply act-out all of their fantasies on live TV? Could it be that he was no more unusual than the common house-fly?

My collie says:

Why are we still talking about him?

CyberCipher on February 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

My bad.

Usually when these things are said they are not meant snarktastically?

MelonCollie on February 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM

No problem. Just having fun with the idea that the police planted his driver’s licence, which doesn’t make any sense if you think about it. What if the body turned out not to be Dorner’s? What would the police do then? How would they explain the driver’s licence and its connection to the dead body, if there was none? It would just put the police in a very bad predicament. So, while it is possible that they “planted” his licence, it is HIGHLY unlikely. I just wanted ted to think about the ramifications of what he was suggesting.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Unless it is an LAPD lie, Djorner killed the child of one of his supposed “enemies” in revenge over a lost job. Unless you are without wits, that kind of punches his ticket on right or wrong right there. Even if all Djorners grievances were true, that cancels them. Even if the LAPD were the evil monsters Djorner said they were, that’s cancelled too.

I suspect Djorner led a full “chip on the shoulder life” with more decks of race cards on him then bullet magazines.

BL@KBIRD on February 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Yeppers and it would be hard for the police to frame him for the murders considering he pretty much confessed to them in his manifesto.

To my friends listed below, I wish we could have grown old together and spent more time together. When you reminisce of our friendship and experiences, think of that and that only. Do not dwell on my recent actions the last few days. This was a necessary evil that had to be executed in order for me to obtain my NAME back. The only thing that changes policy and garners attention is death.

I have exhausted all available means at obtaining my name back. I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now lead to deadly consequences.

You’re going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!

When the truth comes out, the killing stops.

The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! I will not accept any type of currency/goods in exchange for the attacks to stop, nor do i want it. I want my name back, period.

Citizens/non-combatants, do not render medical aid to downed officers/enemy combatants. Let the balance of loss of life take place. Sometimes a reset needs to occur.

For you officers who do the job in the name of JUSTICE, those of you who lost honest officers to this event, look at the name of those on the BOR and the investigating officers from PSB and Evans and ask them, how come you couldn’t tell the truth?

Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name.

I know your route to and from home, and your division. I know your significant others routine, your children’s best friends and recess. I know Your Sancha’s gym hours and routine. I assure you that the casualty rate will be high. Because of that, no one will remember your name. You will merely be a DR# and “that guy” who was KIA/EOW or long term IOD/light duty in the kit room. This is exactly why “station 500″ was created. Unfortunately, orphanages will be making a comeback in the 21st century.

There are people on Twitter claiming that he never killed anyone and all of this was a set-up. The reason that the LAPD even put together his role with the murders of the first 2 was because he called Quan’s father to taunt him.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

This guy had a lot wrong with him, but I have to say if it’s true police deliberately set fire to the building – knowing that this guy (Dorner or not) clearly wasn’t going to surrender, and that odds were good he wouldn’t just be smoked out – that’s very disturbing. That’s completely different from shooting a suspect aiming a gun at you.

Waggoner on February 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Hmm. Hadn’t heard that the police started the fire — which would have been a lot easier than using a demolition vehicle to try to tear their way into where Dorner was hiding.

As for knowing whether Dorner could be smoked out or not — where did you get the information that he couldn’t? The tear gassing they tried?

They didn’t know whether he had a hostage or not, but he was obviously very dangerous — four people had already died at his hands, and he had promised to kill more….

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

I am not saying they planted the DL just that the story does not make sense with previous statements. If they body is found not to be his then they could say he planted the DL to aid in his escape. But look at timeline something is false. Either he did not throw out his ID or he did.

UncleZeb on February 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Not only was he a coward…but a failure as well. A loser.
Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

applies to romney too, doncha think?
renalin on February 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Totally inappropriate and idiotic comment.

Renalin, I always knew you were dumb. You make your fellow Sarah Palin cultists look even more stupid than they already are, and that isn’t easy to do.

bluegill on February 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

What the He@@ does Sarah Palin have to do with a thread about a muderer?

kingsjester on February 13, 2013 at 2:01 PM

I just wanted ted to think about the ramifications of what he was suggesting.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Given that Dorner was found in the basement, I’m betting the following happened: The police were demolishing the house room by room trying to flush him out. He was retreating room by room as they attempted this. In At some point, Dorner decided to end it rather than man up and face the People for what he’d done. His gunshot, which caused him to fall to the floor, triggered a fire — either because, as has been reported, he had a can of gasoline, or because the police demolition had broken a propane line in the house. When the first floor burned enough to become unstable, it dumped his body into the basement. Dorner was lying face down on the floor and his license and other effects were in his front pockets. When the body was dumped by the failure of the first floor into the basement, further exposure to the fire ceased.

All of that came from the recesses of my brain, and is not based on any reality at all — just like the lefties are doing with this.

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM

There are people on Twitter claiming that he never killed anyone and all of this was a set-up. The reason that the LAPD even put together his role with the murders of the first 2 was because he called Quan’s father to taunt him.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Obama-voters

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM

applies to romney too, doncha think?
renalin on February 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Renalin, I always knew you were dumb. You make your fellow Sarah Palin cultists look even more stupid than they already are, and that isn’t easy to do.

bluegill on February 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Two wrongs DO equal a right?

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Unfortunately – as concerns the conspiracy theories already being generated – the police haven’t helped themselves with some of their actions. Shooting at people simply because they were driving pickups, re-opening the investigation, being recorded saying things like “burn the m-f out” – all those things give ammunition to the suspicious. You throw in the other difficulties CA police departments have had over the last few decades, and it might get overwhelming.

I sure as heck don’t trust the LAPD right now. I do hope an enterprising journalist (I know, but there is a small chance one still exists) digs into this, to give us all something solid.

GWB on February 13, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Totally inappropriate and idiotic comment.

Renalin, I always knew you were dumb. You make your fellow Sarah Palin cultists look even more stupid than they already are, and that isn’t easy to do.

bluegill on February 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Thanks for the generalization and stereotype, dipsh1t.

kim roy on February 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I sure as heck don’t trust the LAPD right now. I do hope an enterprising journalist (I know, but there is a small chance one still exists) digs into this, to give us all something solid.

No, SWalker and Armin and their ilk will only accept a Journalist’s findings that “Prove” the LAPD unjustly fired Dorner and that Dorner was an anti-hero, worthy of our support.

JFKY on February 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Renalin, I always knew you were dumb. You make your fellow Sarah Palin cultists look even more stupid than they already are, and that isn’t easy to do.

bluegill on February 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

And you make retards look even stupider than they are.

The Notorious G.O.P on February 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Hey Dusty, if they’d fake the body, don’t you suppose they’d also fake the ID?

Don L on February 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I’m thinking another burial at sea next to Osama Bin laden is in order. If they can just get that darn aircraft carrier re-fueled in time.

trs on February 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

It’s LA – you JUST know they’re gonna leave room for a sequel!!

abobo on February 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

It seems to me that Christopher Dorner was the most ordinary of liberal specimens. He was, after all, a swaggering, narcissistic sociopath that suffered from delusions of godhood. The man was incapable of rational thought or honest self-examination — which made him oblivious to his own utter incompetence. Predictably, like all liberals, he was filled with rage against an imaginary enemy. No one should be surprised that he indiscriminately murdered a lot of innocent people that had absolutely nothing to do with his circumstances — innocents that he nevertheless blamed and punished for all the “injustices” that drove his obsessions with self-pity and perceived victim-hood. Liberals have a long, documented history of carrying out crimes like this on a regular basis — and frequently, on an even grander scale than what we witnessed here.

Was Dorner really all that different from all of the other certifiably insane liberals that permeate our modern day society? Or did he simply act-out all of their fantasies on live TV? Could it be that he was no more unusual than the common house-fly?

My collie says:

Why are we still talking about him?

CyberCipher on February 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

You just described our president to a tee.

trs on February 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

There are people on Twitter claiming that he never killed anyone and all of this was a set-up. The reason that the LAPD even put together his role with the murders of the first 2 was because he called Quan’s father to taunt him.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Domer had the goods on what really happened to building No. 7…
……….he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

You just described our president to a tee.

trs on February 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

My collie says:

Well, yeah, but then, all liberals look alike to CC.

CyberCipher on February 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

There are people on Twitter claiming that he never killed anyone and all of this was a set-up. The reason that the LAPD even put together his role with the murders of the first 2 was because he called Quan’s father to taunt him.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Domer had photographic evidence of the Koch Brothers with rifles, behind the fence on the grassy knoll…..
………..he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

There are people on Twitter claiming that he never killed anyone and all of this was a set-up. The reason that the LAPD even put together his role with the murders of the first 2 was because he called Quan’s father to taunt him.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Domer had audio evidence of a Saudi Prince…Bush…and Cheney conspiring with Haliburton to take Saddam out and steal his oil……

……….he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Thanks for the generalization and stereotype, dipsh1t.

kim roy on February 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

One can’t help but notice that you have nothing to say to renalin about his remark.
Why would that be?

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Domer had the goods on what really happened to building No. 7…
……….he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Domer had photographic evidence of the Koch Brothers with rifles, behind the fence on the grassy knoll…..
………..he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

lol

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Considering they allowed the house to burn to the ground…that was one tough driver’s license.

trs on February 13, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Actually, wallets, licenses and other cards are often found relatively intact after car wrecks and fires, so it is not unlikely.

Siddhartha Vicious on February 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

There are people on Twitter claiming that he never killed anyone and all of this was a set-up. The reason that the LAPD even put together his role with the murders of the first 2 was because he called Quan’s father to taunt him.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Domer was getting ready to hand off photographic evidence to Spike Lee proving that Bush blew up the Levees in New Orleans…..
……….he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

There are people on Twitter claiming that he never killed anyone and all of this was a set-up. The reason that the LAPD even put together his role with the murders of the first 2 was because he called Quan’s father to taunt him.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Domer was about to give Andrew Sullivan ultra-sound evidence of Sara Palins womb proving she faked having her baby…..

……he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Domer was getting ready to hand off photographic evidence to Spike Lee proving that Bush blew up the Levees in New Orleans…..
……….he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

You kidding me ?
Obama would have provided body guards if that was the case.

Jabberwock on February 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

There are people on Twitter claiming that he never killed anyone and all of this was a set-up. The reason that the LAPD even put together his role with the murders of the first 2 was because he called Quan’s father to taunt him.

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Domer had the originals to Dan Rather’s National Guard documents on Bush…
…………….he had to go.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

You kidding me ?
Obama would have provided body guards if that was the case.

Jabberwock on February 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Heh!!!….

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

lol

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

I got this from a valid source…
……….The Daily Current.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM

One can’t help but notice that you have nothing to say to renalin about his remark.
Why would that be?

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Because I couldn’t be bothered, Mr. Passive Aggressive.

Is that fine with you? Or do I have to justify and/or get my commenting approved by you first?

If you have some other reason to ask, then by all means say so and save the P/A BS for someone else.

Let me get ahead of this just in case you feel the need again: I’ll comment on what I feel like commenting on and you’ll just have to live with that. You get this explanation as a one time only freebie.

You’re welcome.

kim roy on February 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Investigators remove body from Big Bear house after firefight

…so I guess kabobs are out of the question?

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Considering they allowed the house to burn to the ground…that was one tough driver’s license.

trs on February 13, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Actually, wallets, licenses and other cards are often found relatively intact after car wrecks and fires, so it is not unlikely.

Siddhartha Vicious on February 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

And many of the 9/11 victims (the 2011 9/11) were identified by such data. Even the Troofers have admitted that.

The entire wallet of one of the Flight 11 passengers was in fact recovered fully intact. And a year later, the Ground Zero recovery team found the fully intact ATM card of another Flight 11 passenger.

BTW, great name! Johnny Rotten would approve.

A+

Del Dolemonte on February 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Siddhartha Vicious on February 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

And many of the 9/11 victims (the 2001 9/11) were identified by such data. Even the Troofers have admitted that.

Del Dolemonte on February 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Sorry, typo.

Del Dolemonte on February 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

You kidding me ?
Obama would have provided body guards if that was the case.

Jabberwock on February 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Did you ever read Rosie O’Donnell’s response to our own Electrongod?

ObamaHaters: The Fire Doesn’t Melt Steel Edition

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

WACO anyone?
War is coming.
III

dirtengineer on February 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Last night, on another thread, one well-known and especially obnoxious troll warned we pro-Second people that this sort of thing will happen to all of us if we resist confiscation of our firearms.

Translation: “We will kill you with our guns if you don’t give up your guns.”

JellyToast on February 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Did you ever read Rosie O’Donnell’s response to our own Electrongod?

ObamaHaters: The Fire Doesn’t Melt Steel Edition

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Ex- Prezies stick together, I guess.
Executive Power is powerful stuff
“I’ll hide yours, if you help hide mine.”
/s

Jabberwock on February 13, 2013 at 3:45 PM

And many of the 9/11 victims (the 2011 9/11) were identified by such data. Even the Troofers have admitted that.

The entire wallet of one of the Flight 11 passengers was in fact recovered fully intact. And a year later, the Ground Zero recovery team found the fully intact ATM card of another Flight 11 passenger.

BTW, great name! Johnny Rotten would approve.

A+

Del Dolemonte on February 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Most of them were crushed. I hope his DL is better quality than Obama’s birth certificate.

trs on February 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

One less Odumbo voter. May he burn in Hell!

rjoco1 on February 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

CNN talking heads think this murderer is kind of exciting.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/02/13/CNN-Panel-Dorner-Alleged-Murder-Spree-Exciting-Like-Denzel-Washington-Movie

Imagine if this guy was out shooting abortion doctors. I wonder if the media would ask “does he have a point?”

So the media is sorta condoning murder if the murderer “Has a point?.. Is sorta frustrated with the system?”

The left is depraved. The whole left is freaking depraved.

They are actively promoting murderous rampages in CNN because the murderer is a leftist! And most of the support seems to be coming from the two blacks on the panel. This is what we have come to. This is the sort of depravity they stand up and support.

JellyToast on February 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

The left is depraved. The whole left is freaking depraved.

They are actively promoting murderous rampages in CNN because the murderer is a leftist! And most of the support seems to be coming from the two blacks on the panel. This is what we have come to. This is the sort of depravity they stand up and support.

JellyToast on February 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Dorner one of theirs, of that there is nothing ambiguous. He praised liberal icons, including Obama. In his fervor, he put them–who are his ‘side’ by his own words–under scrutiny.

They hate that, and need to duck and cover. It’s the only way their sick ideology and egos can retain ‘credibility’.

Liam on February 13, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Most of them were crushed.

trs on February 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

So what? The fact that some survived makes your point meaningless.

Del Dolemonte on February 13, 2013 at 5:15 PM

They are actively promoting murderous rampages in CNN because the murderer is a leftist! And most of the support seems to be coming from the two blacks on the panel. This is what we have come to. This is the sort of depravity they stand up and support.

JellyToast on February 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Apparently, viewer-desperate CNN has decided to jump the shark and is now going full-Truther with the “cops started the fire” conspiracy theory. Wolfie flogged it from 5:30 to 6 PM, and mentioned that Anderson Cooper will continue to fan the conspiracy flames for his entire show tonight.

Del Dolemonte on February 13, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Somehow Ash Wednesday seems fitting.

can_con on February 13, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Even if the LAPD were the evil monsters Djorner said they were, that’s cancelled too.

BL@KBIRD on February 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Disagreed.

S. D. on February 13, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I’m VERY sympathetic to those who distrust some police dpts or believe that there are socio-path officers that are allowed to run amok. I’ve NEVER thought that just because a man has a badge that he is a hero.

But this is just sickening me. I wish they had caught the killer alive. This end will feed this mania.

I saw the CNN panel on rightscoop(I won’t link) talk about this and it demoralized me. They all justified his actions. This sicko , dorno, was a criminal of the lowest order. He killed innocent men and women people. So, yesterday, since I was not keeping up on this as closely as most, I though, well, no sane person seriously views this guy as a hero. Then, digging around here and other places I realised..OMG!, tons of people are lionising this blood lusting psycho. Seriously, I’m afraid to talk to my lefty associates(no friends) because I’m scared of what they will say. I’m drop jawed about the national response. Something is happening to society and it is different then last century. Things are acceptable now that weren’t before. It’s not good.

Because the guy allegedly saw a homeless man kicked and was fired for speaking out(the psycho murderer’s story) then he is somewhat justified in murdering a bunch of people who had NOTHING to do with the incident.. I can’t process it. Even if he murdered the guy who supposedly kicked the homeless man, or the guy who handed him the pink slip, he’d still be a wretched, crazy murderer. -DUH!

BoxHead1 on February 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Even if the LAPD were the evil monsters Djorner said they were, that’s cancelled too.

BL@KBIRD on February 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Two entirely separate points.

CorporatePiggy on February 13, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Considering they allowed the house to burn to the ground…that was one tough driver’s license.

trs on February 13, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Talk to a fire expert. It is clear you know very little.

Often things on the floor are insulated by objects falling on them and thus preserve them. You have had heard heat rises?

CW on February 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

I’ll believe it when no more policemen get ambushed and killed. Unfortunately, it would be easy for a man who has already shown himself willing to kill, to plant a body including ID.

I’ll be more willing to believe it, even without more killings, if they tell us that dental records confirm it was Dorner. Sadly, I have very little faith in the new to tell us anything but what they want us to know (true or not).

I predicted 2 days ago that he’d use up all his ammo in the firefight and save the last bullet for himself, thereby to die a martyr. (Note: he doesn’t actually have to be dead to be a martyr, he just has to be believed to be dead). The martyr bit at least seems to be coming true.

chotii on February 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

It seems to me that Christopher Dorner was the most ordinary of liberal specimens. He was, after all, a swaggering, narcissistic sociopath that suffered from delusions of godhood. The man was incapable of rational thought or honest self-examination — which made him oblivious to his own utter incompetence. Predictably, like all liberals, he was filled with rage against an imaginary enemy. No one should be surprised that he indiscriminately murdered a lot of innocent people that had absolutely nothing to do with his circumstances — innocents that he nevertheless blamed and punished for all the “injustices” that drove his obsessions with self-pity and perceived victim-hood. Liberals have a long, documented history of carrying out crimes like this on a regular basis — and frequently, on an even grander scale than what we witnessed here.

Was Dorner really all that different from all of the other certifiably insane liberals that permeate our modern day society? Or did he simply act-out all of their fantasies on live TV? Could it be that he was no more unusual than the common house-fly?

My collie says:

Why are we still talking about him?

CyberCipher on February 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

It’s been a long time since I read comments from this site. I got tired of the trolls.

As I was reading the above comment I thought, “Wow. This comment is precise, well thought out, and extremely relevant”. I reached the bottom of the comment when I saw who posted it and it made me smile.

CyberCipher has long been one of my very favorite posters.

Great post, CyberCipher!

Skidd on February 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

You’re welcome.

kim roy on February 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Pound sand, hypocrite.

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Dorner kills four individuals and ties up two others, of which exactly none had anything to do with his personal grievance.

Some here wring their hands and incessantly wail about his rights, which he easily could’ve exercised at any time prior to the house catching fire by turning himself in.

My response,

rukiddingme on February 13, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Pound sand, hypocrite.

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Now don’t you feel better rather than that passive aggressive BS poke you tried to give?

Still… it’s not your agenda that has me post, but mine and sorry you seemed to have trouble wrapping your mind around that and felt the need to be a moron about it.

kim roy on February 13, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Is Chris still dead?

hawkdriver on February 13, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Unless you are without wits, that kind of punches his ticket on right or wrong right there.

BL@KBIRD on February 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Problem is, there are a lot of folks without wits out there. RWM put together a couple of lists of really disgusting tweets SUPPORTING this serial killer.

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-cop-killer-left-sends-big-wet.html

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-depraved-ghoulish-left-cheers-on.html

The ironic thing is (assuming his manifesto was correct about the LAPD handling of the excessive force incident in question) Dorner would have been a legitimate hero, had he addressed the issue by legitimate means (i.e. bringing the issue before the State of California or the Department of Justice). Instead, he goes on a killing spree (most notably by hunting down and murdering an innocent young woman whose only crime was to be the daughter of one of the people that Dorner hated). Now, the whole issue has been polarized by his bloodshed.

SubmarineDoc on February 13, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Accidental, deliberate.

What difference does it make?

claudius on February 13, 2013 at 11:40 PM

I told you he would shoot himself; cowards do that.

He was a murderer, nothing but a cold blooded murderer who needed to be put down.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of his victims.

Those cheering him on are just sick f*cks.

Many of these folks will call 911 sometime in the future begging for the police to come to help them, the same officers getting shoot at by this sick bustard while he was still alive.

Bubba Redneck on February 14, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Eric Bolling of Fox News, a Palin fanatic who likes to trash Republicans who don’t measure up to his definition of a “true conservative,” is an embarrassing idiot. I always thought he was the weakest link on the show The Five, so I was disappointed but not surprised to see him minimize Dorner’s crimes and then suggest that law enforcement might be fibbing when they say they found his driver’s license near the charred body.

Bolling tried to minimize Dorner’s actions and suggested that Dorner wasn’t all evil: “Hey, he only went after people involved in or related to his case. He let the people go after carjacking them.”(paraphrase) And then Bolling finished the segment with a dumb joke: “maybe he took Ash Wednesday a little too literally.”

Ugh, Bolling is a clown who needs to go. I think Fox News Channel can do better than this idiot. Getting rid of Palin was a good start towards cleaning up the incompetent dolts from their programming.

bluegill on February 14, 2013 at 2:43 AM

rogerb and his opinion on how gangs rarely use guns (yes, it sound as stupid as you think) oddly absent.
 
lester on December 26, 2012 at 12:16 PM
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/26/charts-of-the-day-gun-violence-in-america-declining-over-last-20-years/comment-page-1/#comment-6597369

 
…What were you saying about “inventing”, btw?
 
rogerb on February 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM

 
So you don’t want to post your evidence of where I said gangs rarely use guns, lester?
 
Odd. You were active on HA yesterday afternoon after my post:
 

Wonder who gets the blame for the big word.
 
lester on February 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM

 
Fleeing a thread is easier when you’re caught in a lie though, eh liar?

rogerb on February 14, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Renalin, I always knew you were dumb. You make your fellow Sarah Palin cultists look even more stupid than they already are, and that isn’t easy to do.

bluegill on February 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

I see she continues to live rent-free in your cultist head.

Dunedainn on February 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Ugh, Bolling is a clown who needs to go. I think Fox News Channel can do better than this idiot. Getting rid of Palin was a good start towards cleaning up the incompetent dolts from their programming.

bluegill on February 14, 2013 at 2:43 AM

Rent-free.

Dunedainn on February 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM

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