Dorner sympathy goes mainstream: “Like watching ‘Django Unchained.’ It’s kind of exciting!”
posted at 9:36 pm on February 13, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham
A liberal critic of my comments on “The O’Reilly Factor” this week tweeted his displeasure with my assertion that factions of the “Left” and “some liberals” sympathized with Chris Dorner and even made him into a folk hero. He asked for examples. Here’s one:
It’s hard to imagine how Marc Lamont Hill could have put this more appallingly. One member of the panel starts by rather sensibly bemoaning the waste of life, manpower, and ink in this chase. Hill responds:
“There’s no waste here, though. I mean, this has been an important public conversation that we’ve had about police brutality, about police corruption, about state violence. I mean, there were even talks about making him the first domestic drone target. I mean, this is serious business here. I don’t think it’s been a waste of time at all.
And, as far as Dorner himself goes, he’s been like a real-life superhero to many people. Now, don’t get me wrong, what he did was awful, killing innocent people is bad. But when you read his manifesto, you read the message that he left, he wasn’t entirely crazy. He had a plan and a mission, here. And, many people aren’t rooting for him to kill innocent people; they’re rooting for someone who was wronged to get a kind of revenge against the system. It’s almost like watching ‘Django Unchained’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting.”
Hill and I have been on many of the same TV shows. We have been paired as sparring partners. We have been in TV doing commentary for approximately the same amount of time. Please imagine a scenario in which there is a fugitive who killed four people, two of them police officers, wounded four others, taunted the families of his innocent victims, held a couple hostage for days, and led one of the largest manhunts in recent history because he felt the government was too overbearing a force, spending too much money, and taking too much freedom from its citizens. Imagine his manifesto referenced issues about which I care deeply, such as the need for entitlement reforms and the need for charter schools and school choice, and name-checked Bill O’Reilly and Tucker Carlson as admired figures. And, I went on TV and said this:
“There’s no waste here, though. I mean, this has been an important public conversation that we’ve had about entitlement reform, about some of endangered liberties, and about school choice. I mean, this is serious business here. I don’t think it’s been a waste of time at all.
And, as far as [Quadruple Murderer] himself goes, he’s been like a real-life superhero to many people. Now, don’t get me wrong, what he did was awful, killing innocent people is bad. But when you read his manifesto, you read the message that he left, he wasn’t entirely crazy. He had a plan and a mission, here. And, many people aren’t rooting for him to kill innocent people; they’re rooting for someone who was wronged to get a kind of revenge against the system. It’s almost like watching ‘Red Dawn’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting.”
First of all, we’d never be having this conversation on TV, because it’s a warped and deeply insensitive conversation to have. Quite the opposite: as a conservative, I would have been forced to carefully distance and denounce for a week straight (and, by the way, would be required to do this even if there were no evidence the murderer shared my belief system, as in the case of Jared Loughner). Never would there be a discussion of whether we should consider whether the murderer had a legitimate grievance, nor should there be. You have lost the privilege of a “national conversation” about your grievances once you have killed four fellow citizens. If anything, I would curse the perpetrator not just for his murders but for making it nearly impossible for me to speak publicly about the concerns he, regrettably, shared with me.
Second, I would never, ever, ever say this because it is morally deranged. I believe many of the country’s problems are immediate, moral concerns. I believe there are government policies that are actively hurting people at this very moment, and I’d like to have a spotlight on them. I even believe that far too often, police investigations are faulty and police tactics can hurt innocent people, as they did in this manhunt. (Update: Come to think of it, I actually did on “O’Reilly” this week exactly what Hill failed to do—made clear that Dorner deserves no sympathy while also holding LAPD accountable for injuries to civilians.) Standing in the spotlight afforded you by the murderer of four fellow citizens, however, while broadly smiling and comparing it to watching a really sweet revenge fantasy flick is not the way to solve these issues. If I tried to pull this crap on Marc on TV, I daresay he’d find it disgusting.
Hill’s not the only one, either. As Buzzfeed notes, Dorner support is going mainstream.
Alternet, the leftist online magazine, ran a story by Chauncey DeVega arguing that Dorner could “be transformed through popular culture and storytelling into a figure talked about for decades and centuries to come, with multiple versions of his tales and exploits, shaped by the griots and bards for their respective audiences.”
“Christopher Dorner dared to tell his version of the truth regarding the LAPD’s history of corruption and racism,” DeVega writes. “They do not like tattle tales and ‘snitches.’ Dorner was a particularly noxious threat to the status quo both because of his violent actions, as well as the symbolic power of his words and deeds.”
Salon’s Natasha Lennard has written a couple of stories sympathetic to Dorner (“Ex-cops sympathize with Dorner’s anger,” “Were Dorner’s complaints legitimate?”). Vice, in a story about whether or not Anonymous will retaliate after Dorner’s death, implicitly compared Dorner to anti-establishment heroes like Bradley Manning and Aaron Swartz, while acknowledging that “a murderous ex-cop is a lot harder to defend than these nonviolent liberators of information.”
Hill has been defending his comment on his Twitter feed, saying he was merely speaking for “many people” who feel that way about Dorner and his rampage. If that’s the case, then he’s also obligated to make clear that he thinks this inclination is disgusting and, ahem, %^&*# crazy. Sadly, the truth is, “many people” don’t think that inclination is disgusting and ^&T*# crazy, and he is one of them.
I don’t support murder and I empathize with ALL the victims. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t also understand Dorner and his perspective.
— Marc Lamont Hill (@marclamonthill) February 13, 2013
We are capable of having 2 thoughts at the same time. To leverage this crisis in the service of justice is not to disrespect the victims.
— Marc Lamont Hill (@marclamonthill) February 13, 2013
I 100% get why Dorner is not hated by everybody or merely marked as a villain. Not because I condone it, but bc there’s a bigger picture.
— Marc Lamont Hill (@marclamonthill) February 13, 2013
Bonus viewing: Katie Pavlich going after Hill:
Well well look at that, no wonder @marclamonthill is sympathetic to Dorner, he co-authored a book with cop-killer Mumia ow.ly/hGZLK
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) February 13, 2013
U referred to him as a superhero, u not only didn’t dismiss him, u upheld him as something to be celebrated @marclamonthill @michellemalkin
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) February 13, 2013
How about criticizing the former *police officer* named Christopher Dorner for murdering fellow cops? @marclamonthill @michellemalkin
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) February 13, 2013
I’ll ask again @marclamonthill does Dorner’s murderous rampage count as “police brutality” 2 u? Or is it ok because he got his feelings hurt
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) February 13, 2013
You didn’t criticize Dorner, you called him a superhero and a modern day Jango, but nice try @marclamonthill
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) February 13, 2013
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I thought it was interesting that CBS went out of their way this evening not to mention “CS gas” instead referring to it as “strong tear gas”. Anybody with half a brain would know that CS gas canisters caused the fire at Waco, and, now, the fire that burned Dorner alive.
This story doesn’t just have Dorner as the “bad guy.” There are plenty of “bad guys” to this story.
J_Crater on February 13, 2013 at 11:41 PM
Oh, stop being ridiculous and craptastic.
Mimic and barf back whatever opinions your advisor holds and, “bingo!”, instant PhD in “Urban Studies”.
ya2daup on February 13, 2013 at 11:52 PM
I’ve been working closely recently with an independent filmmaker who just released a new film about three weeks ago that deals with the issue of violence in film and any responsibility filmmakers have in how that violence effects society.
In writing the critical review of the film and the director, I used a quote from Orson Welles. In a conversation he had with another very famous director, the subject of violence in film and it’s effects on society came up and Welles said ” We’re brutalizing the audience. It’s going to be like the Roman Circus, live at the Coliseum.”
I think that the fears Welles expressed for a society that has been exposed to continued and escalating violence in film, to the point of actually centering comedy around violent death in some cases, were well founded.
The CNN panel and others who seek to make a ‘hero’ of this quadruple murderer demonstrate that fact. The quote that strikes me is that they found this horrific episode ‘theatrical’ and ‘exciting’.
That sort of theatrical excitement should be reserved for film and stage. Obviously the line between fiction and reality has become blurred for these people, as well as the line between right and wrong.
thatsafactjack on February 13, 2013 at 11:54 PM
Wow! An online forensic pathologist. So, can you share your findings and the autopsy report you prepared?
The San Bernadino police acted within the law.
As an aside on the use of deadly force and law enforcement, in Tennessee v Garner, 471 US 1 (1985), the Supreme Court held that law enforcement is only permitted the use of such force against dangerous suspects, who are in flight, when killing the suspect is “necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”
In Fourth Amendment cases, the Supreme Court has stressed that “the use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable. It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead.”
Deadly force was held not justified where a suspect’s vehicle was “moving slowly and in a non-aggressive manner, could not have hit any of the officers, and was stationary at the time of the shooting.” Kirby v Duva, 530 F.3d 475, 482 (6th Cir. 2008). Also, in Smith v Cupp, 430 F.3d 766, 774-75 (6th Cir. 2005), the Court held that suspect who had taken control of officer’s patrol car, although he was in possession of a dangerous weapon, “was not threatening the lives of those around him.”
Given the fact that a) he had killed an officer at the final shootout site, b) sent another officer to ICU where he is in critical condition, and c) continued to shoot from the cabin, lethal force could be used because:
1. It was “necessary to prevent the escape;”
AND
2. Officers had “probable cause to believe that the suspect posed a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officers or others.”
While I would prefer that LE not use lethal force because I don’t support state-sponsored killings, I have no problem with using it if the alternative is the deaths of more innocent people. LE would have been completely within the law to take him down.
Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 11:54 PM
Taken from another string, but very appropirate here:
The ironic thing is (assuming his manifesto was correct about the LAPD handling of the excessive force incident in question) Dorner would have been a legitimate hero, had he addressed the issue by legitimate means (i.e. bringing the issue before the State of California or the Department of Justice). Instead, he goes on a killing spree (most notably by hunting down and murdering an innocent young woman whose only crime was to be the daughter of one of the people that Dorner hated).
Now, the whole issue has been polarized by his bloodshed.
Dorner murdered four people (two of whom were not cops). Dorner is a former cop. Does this mean that his supporters are guilty of supporting police brutality?
SubmarineDoc on February 14, 2013 at 12:16 AM
He empathizes with murder victims? LOL. I wish! This idiot needs to learn some basic English. Hill shouldn’t be on the faculty at any university. He should be back in remedial English class at some high school.
Of course, this is no surprise. Affirmative action demands that we put idiots into positions they don’t belong in, even to the point of letting them destroy our Constitution and our nation. At least, Hill is only destroying the credibility of the MSM and Columbia. Columbia students are mostly slime, anyway, without any ability to think or even to learn to think. I’ll bet they can all empathize with murder victims, too.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 14, 2013 at 12:41 AM
………………Bernadine Dorn
..speaking to the Students for a Democratic Society in 1969.
Liberals embracing psychotic killers…..nothing new for the “Peace and Love” crowd.
Baxter Greene on February 14, 2013 at 1:12 AM
It’s great to hear the professor explain that he’s not supporting murder. What a relief!
For a moment there we thought he was cheering on a murderer.
virgo on February 14, 2013 at 1:13 AM
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal!!!
Oh wait, wrong thread. Sorry.
Fenris on February 14, 2013 at 2:26 AM
This is easily the SICKEST trash I’ve heard from the left in… well, ever. Hopefully, we’ve seen the last of Marc Lamont Hill in any sort of public venue. Who would want to be associated with views that twisted?
Murf76 on February 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM
The political left are nearing the end. They are getting increasingly desperate. And there are reasons why nobody watches CNN anymore.
crosspatch on February 14, 2013 at 3:12 AM
I guess cross-eyed Hill is a fan of the Unabomber too?
No? Am I wrong??
Sherman1864 on February 14, 2013 at 3:18 AM
Excellent points. I’d be interested in seeing the film you made.
Nicole Coulter on February 14, 2013 at 3:43 AM
Mark Lamont Hill is a self-avowed Marxist, and as such he ought to be whipped to death.
rayra on February 14, 2013 at 4:46 AM
Sigh. It was a joke.
Blake on February 14, 2013 at 5:05 AM
I can’t “praise” Dorner. But his case brings to mind the dubious joy of watching the SLA members barbequed alive on prime time TV in 1974 by the LAPD. They fired teargas canisters into the house in which the SLA members were holed up. Predictably the house caught fire. Predictably the police claimed this was not their plan.
Now we got to see the flames as Dorner was barbequed live on prime time TV in a fire caused by firing teargas canisters into a wooden structure. It predictably caught fire and Dorner was barbequed. Predictably the authorities are claiming they did not intend for the building to catch fire.
This needs to be investigated. Was this shameful laxity? Was this laziness on the part of officers who didn’t want to wait it out? Or was this murderous intent? Given that there was LAPD involvement in both situations AND given their perennial reputation as the nastiest gang in Los Angeles County, I fear that last possibility, murderous intent, is entirely too possible.
This whole thing stinks on ice. This is independent of whether Dorner was a raving dangerous lunatic or psychopath or not. In fact I’d vote that he was.
Sadly, I’d also vote that the LAPD includes in its ranks a rather high count of such people. After all, their pre-employment testing apparently did not weed out a psychopath in at least this one case. How many others are there?
Don’t tell me Dorner was a hero. But do tell me you understand that his case has uncovered a seamy side of police operations in Southern California and Los Angeles in particular that should be investigated in detail by a citizen panel made up of people who have never been in public service of any kind.
{^_^}
herself on February 14, 2013 at 5:32 AM
The Symbionese Liberation Army? Yeah, tears are welling up in my eyes for those poor souls as I type this. /sarc
Why would they want to wait it out under rifle fire from this lunatic?
Why don’t you go downrange of someone shooting at you and see how patient you are.
The police are not required to wait it out just so Mr Crazy Man, or the SLA nutters don’t get an owie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx40udwQvZI
sharrukin on February 14, 2013 at 5:56 AM
There are some days when going on sixty looks good. What a world!
Cindy Munford on February 14, 2013 at 6:02 AM
♪ ♩That guy is on fi-er. ♬ ♩
justltl on February 14, 2013 at 6:54 AM
It honestly looks like Marc Hill was speaking as what some other people are thinking about the situation, more than himself. Which is actually true, because some people have more clearly than Marc, stated they enjoyed this whole fiasco.
Freeloader on February 14, 2013 at 6:56 AM
Completely depraved!
Now imagine if this guy was white and was out killing abortion doctors.
Would that be as exciting and cool to them? Would the abortion doctor murderer have a point? Someone should ask them that.
JellyToast on February 14, 2013 at 6:59 AM
Katie Pavlich seems to have nailed it. Good going there, lady!
The Left is in love with Dorner, but they don’t want to admit it. Even the trolls here have tried putting that mass-murderer on a granite pedestal, but quickly run when faced against us. They’re dying to use Dorner, make him a hero, but we don’t let that happen.
If they’re going to keep him, they know they’re going to have to give what’s left of his name and carcass a complete makeover. Good luck with that one, you libs!
I, for one, won’t let them get away with it.
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 7:11 AM
Dorner was dead by his own hand by the time the fire reached him.
That he chose not to leave the building alive was his decision and his alone.
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 7:16 AM
When a surrounded criminal opens fire on police, all bets are off unless the criminal surrenders. Dorner didn’t do that.
BTW–the deputy that Dorner killed at that cabin was named Gonzalez, and he just became a new father. His wife is named Christiana. How about you take your troubled little heart to his widow’s front door and tell her what you just wrote here?
All those police reports will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb, so you’ll eventually feel better about it all. As for me, I wouldn’t have objected if the cops sent in helicopters armed with .50 cal machine guns and tore the place apart. That domestic terrorist had to go–end of story. That is the only way to deal with terrorists.
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 7:25 AM
What about the fact that Donner killed innocent civilians, don’t these idiots understand?
kingsjester on February 14, 2013 at 7:29 AM
Dorner was a depraved,murdering scumbag and only one of of the liberal faith could attribute to him even a glimmer of redeeming value.
rplat on February 14, 2013 at 7:32 AM
There is now a Chris Dorner action figure in the works.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/chris_dorner_action_figure.jpg
sharrukin on February 14, 2013 at 7:33 AM
Nor will I.
Wait ’till the autopsy shows suicide. Then the true howling will begin.
The left NEEDS this guy to have been burnt alive. That he didn’t get his chance.
The fact is, he did not want his chance.
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 7:33 AM
That doesn’t matter. Dorner ‘started a national conversation’(TM). That’s all the Left cares about, at least publicly. We saw the same on December 14, when the trolls invaded here without mercy to make a soapbox of 20 children whose bodies had yet to be removed from the crime scene of Sandy Hook Elementary School; the trolls were here within thirty minutes of the news.
The liberals understand just fine about the four dead this time around. They simply don’t care.
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 7:38 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Left says Dorner was secretly killed by a Marine sniper just before the cops used flamethrowers to burn him alive right after an F-117 dropped napalm.
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 7:41 AM
Quite frankly, this not understanding is coming from BOTH side of the spectrum. Both have a significant distrust of LE. Especially, with the LAPD. They both may have some legitimate reasons, but I am surprised by the voracity of it in this case.
I keep hearing “no proof” and “they executed the guy”
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 7:41 AM
In my book, due process was met. Dorner killed a deputy in front of other police, and was intending to kill more. Guilty as charged, then.
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 7:45 AM
Think the 117′s are out to pasture.
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 7:46 AM
I think the problem here is that Dorner and the left support all the same things. They too love Obama, Piers Morgan, and massive goverenment spending. What’s a few dead bodies compared to that? After all, we’ve got a President who is close friends with a guy who bombed the United States Capitol and killed cops too. Dorner is the left’s kind of domestic terrorist.
Happy Nomad on February 14, 2013 at 7:52 AM
Even better, the F-22. Of course no one saw it drop, but liberals will know it did. And it wasn’t seen, “Because you know, man…it’s like–stealthy! But we know it did! And, hey, dude! Don’t Bogart!”
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 7:53 AM
Yeah, they don’t give a rodent’s behind about black on black killing in any inner city neighborhood but kill a few people after writing a twenty-page manifesto lauding left wing radicals and you’re suddenly part of a protected class.
My favorite was the idiot yesterday who suggested that they should have backed off and just left a couple guys in a tent outside the cabin to wait Dorner out. Nevermind the police didn’t ambush him in the middle of a Bible study group. Nevermind that they watched Dorner kill a Deputy and wound another that very day. Nevermind the authorities couldn’t get close to the cabin because of all the ammunition going off in the fire…… This idiot really thought that Dorner just needed a little time to think things through and give himself up. After all, how could somebody who loves Obama be anything but an innocent victim of an oppressive system?
Happy Nomad on February 14, 2013 at 8:00 AM
Not a problem. The left calls it a loophole.
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 8:01 AM
I saw that idiot troll’s post. At first, I was waiting for him to add a snark tag in a follow up. But he was serious.
Unbelievable…
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 8:03 AM
Hollywood will turn into a movie portraying Dorner as another Matt Damon character from the film, “Bourne Conspiracy”.
Cherokee on February 14, 2013 at 8:06 AM
I am intentionally answering this bit seperately. This isn’t a both sides sort of situation. Yes, the LAPD has had its problems and healthy distrust isn’t necessarily a bad thing. But even if Dorner was 100% accurate in his manifesto, there is nothing in his subsequent actions that justify the left making him into some sort of folk hero. Legitimate complaints with how he was treated does not justify multiple killings (essentially taking the law into his own hands where he is judge, jury and executioner).
Despite what the left says, Dorner lost all rights for redress of his situation and public sympathy the minute he killed his first victim.
Happy Nomad on February 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM
That’s not possible. Don’t you know Rand Paul is holding up Brennan’s nomination in order to keep this from happening? (jk)
It’s all good.
Re Marc Lamont Hill – wait till a piece of trash with a manifesto busts into your home and threatens your family, buddy. What’ll the meme be then?
Cricket624 on February 14, 2013 at 8:08 AM
But hey, Obama’s killing US citizens in the exact same manner! That’s cool, though, right?
You can’t ‘fight the man’ when your boy IS the man.
Washington Nearsider on February 14, 2013 at 8:12 AM
I am all aboard with that sentiment.
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 8:13 AM
Bingo.
Frank Serpico didn’t have to kill anyone when he testified against police corruption in New York.
itsspideyman on February 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM
Is Dorner sympathy deadly?
/wannabe?
Terp Mole on February 14, 2013 at 8:39 AM
In “life imitating art imitating life” there’s a straight line to draw between Arthur Bremer who in 1972 tried to shoot Nixon and ended up shooting Wallace, the movie “Taxi Driver” based on Bremer, and Hinckley inspired by “Taxi Driver” to shoot Reagan. Did Bremer, as a typical nobody who wanted to become somebody famous, think when he put his plans into motion that he might inspire someone else less than 10 years later to do the same thing? It increased his fame. He’d probably like that.
Bremer was released from prison in 2007. He’s 62 years old today.
Paul-Cincy on February 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM
Aww, don’t tell me you’re going to go all “lostmotherland” on us now and make us all feel guilty about our Red Dawn fantasies.
RINO in Name Only on February 14, 2013 at 8:46 AM
Taking a drink of water on TV is a career-killer. But be a killer of four people after praising Obama, Michelle’s bangs, Piers Morgan, and then sending Valentine gifts to Anderson Cooper, and you’re an exciting hero.
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM
“…he’s been like a real-life superhero…”
In the wake of recent gun violence and the Liberal ‘desire to end it’, HERE is the perfect opportunity to address the MENTAL ILLNESS aspect of it, & instead the meida & these nut balls embraces the Hollywood glorification of violence & painting of such nutballs as ‘heroes’
This guy was ‘offended’ that he was reprimanded for being a whistleblower…or whatever…to the point he snapped & began killing innocent people….and people are actually calling him a ‘superhero’?! What is the effect of Hollywood on our culture? There ya go!
WHAT THE H#LL HAPPENED TO COMMON SENSE IN THIS COUNTRY?
easyt65 on February 14, 2013 at 8:55 AM
Sick the British tabloids and press on the story…..
They, like TMZ in the U.S., can dig the dirt like no one can.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278492/Oscar-Pistorius-charged-murder-accidentally-shot-dead-Reeva-Steenkamp.html
If only we had a press in this country that was interested in the background of presidential candidates, say in……2008?
PappyD61 on February 14, 2013 at 8:59 AM
In some ways, the country has turned into a video game.
Paul-Cincy on February 14, 2013 at 9:00 AM
Is it really? Every time I’ve seen Hill on television or read anything he’d written in the paper it just screams Far Left goon and racist. It doesn’t surprise me at all that he would consider a cop-killer to be a superhero and he’s certainly not smart enough to keep such opinions to himself or play them in such a way as to not disgust anyone in this country who recognizes the evil in Dorner.
Ukiah on February 14, 2013 at 9:07 AM
“It is with great sadness and heavy hearts that we express our deepest sympathies and condolences to anyone that suffered losses or injuries resulting from Christopher’s actions. We do not condone Christopher’s actions,” said the statement Nancy Dorner gave to KTTV-TV. “The family has no further comments and ask that our privacy be respected during this difficult time.”
Sheriff’s Deputy Jeremiah MacKay was killed during that final gunfight and another deputy was wounded.
MacKay, a detective who had been with the department 15 years, had a wife, 7-year-old daughter and 4-month-old son, sheriff’s officials said. He had spoken to AP just last weekend, saying he hoped Dorner could be taken into custody without any more violence.
http://goo.gl/jDVhC
Blake on February 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM
I thought I heard the cops say: “burn that boy” prior to the fire starting.
trs on February 14, 2013 at 9:13 AM
I thought I heard the cops say: “burn that boy” prior to the fire starting.
trs on February 14, 2013 at 9:13 AM
Do you also go out to the backyard every morning to feed your unicorn?
kingsjester on February 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM
Maybe they were just having a cross burning and it got out of control? You probably ‘saw’ that as well. /sarc
sharrukin on February 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM
Your just pissed they didn’t pitch a tent and wait.
You are now in a class with Maureen Dowd. Happy ?
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 9:24 AM
Well MKH certainly seems to have a bit of a hyper fascination
with the guy.
verbaluce on February 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM
I love the description for his book with Mumia:
I can’t believe they’re still on about that guy. I remember people in college agitating for his release over a decade ago.
It’s horrible the way the government jails people over their political opinions, and then justifies it by citing some totally ridiculous Mickey-Mouse offense, like jaywalking, or whatever it was in this case… Oh, that’s right, murdering a police officer.
RINO in Name Only on February 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM
Aw damn. You’re.
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM
trs on February 14, 2013 at 9:13 AM
Methinks you need to change your handle to fos.
kingsjester on February 14, 2013 at 9:27 AM
How far are we from The Hunger Games?
claudius on February 14, 2013 at 9:27 AM
The murder was in the form of an execution, which Mumia never denied.
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM
Who ?
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM
Actually, it’s a fascination with libtards who think Dorner is a hero.
Like looking at a disgusting liberal petri dish.
sentinelrules on February 14, 2013 at 9:29 AM
Dorner, a malignant narcissist with a gun who decided to act on mass murdering impluses by targeting law enforcement and their families.
Doesn’t matter if he had any evidence of wrongful termination. He was one sociopathic SOB.
And not only should Hill and his comrades check themselves, they need to seriously address their own pathology in this case. To react like there is any justification for mass murder…to blur the lines between Hollywood action movies and reality…is where they need to slap themselves upside their own heads and grab onto their own reality ropes.
Watching them is like falling down the rabbit hole myself. Police brutality is a bad thing, and they’re the first to condemn it. If this guy didn’t shoot cops but shot all civilians, they’d be yammering about how the public is in danger from any cop. They’re all corrupt and violent, you know..isn’t that the meme?
But he turns the guns on his colleagues and they’re cheering like it’s a football game? Like this guy has some sort of justification? Playing with the truth and morality like it’s silly putty til it fits their own weird paradigm of justice?
WAKE UP. He’s a freaking loon. He’s a psychopath, revealed when the pressure of his job loss made him go over the edge. He treated all of those people like targets, not human beings.
The normal reaction to behavior like this would be to recoil in horror and sadness. Horror for the crimes, sadness for the victims. Who clapped for Loughner or Lanza? Only the clinically insane.
Guess what, far left, this guy is just another Loughner or Lanza and you’re applauding. You’re clapping for the murderer. A mass murderer who killed run of the mill government employees and some civilians.
Still clapping? This guy coldly premeditated this situation. He hunted that girl and her boyfriend down like animals for dinner. Being law enforcement himself, he knew that the worst thing that you could do to a cop is to target his family. Any cop’s worst nightmare. He hunted those two kids down and laid them out like cordwood.
Then he ran, and shot whatever law enforcement that came near him. Think that those Fish and Wildlife officers had anything to do with Dorner’s job? What is their primary function up in the mountains? To keep property safe and to hunt down poachers. They don’t even work in Los Angeles.
Oh, but they wear the uniform, they must be evil, eh.
Poor persecuted Dorner. He was unemployed.
Here’s the deal. Given how this guy acted, the police department was RIGHT. Think that guy should have been carrying a gun while having the power to arrest and incarcerate?
I suggest that Mr Hill and his cronies seek therapy and I’m not joking. My reaction to their response to this case is to back away. It’s one thing to say, I’d like to know what really happened with his job termination, and quite another to giggle like a schoolgirl or gush that he’s some weird superhero.
All politics aside, ANYONE who reacts like this isn’t wrapped tight enough themselves.
GeeWhiz on February 14, 2013 at 9:29 AM
“It’s almost like watching ‘Django Unchained’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting.””
Really? What *I* see is a man wrecking his own life and the lives of several police officers and innocents as well. It’s like watching a car accident in real life.
If “exciting” is the dominant emotion for someone, I feel sorry for them. This is not a reality show, and people are not dying for our entertainment.
If *I* wanted to make a movie if I was wrongfully terminated by a corrupt police department , I’d want the story to be about how I dug up the truth, then got myself a megaphone so loud that no one could afford to look away. Sort of like “All the President’s men”. I’d want all the violence to be done by the corrupt bad guys because hello, murdering innocents is what VILLAINS do, not heroes.
pendell2 on February 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM
And, of course, OJ is innocent./s
SC.Charlie on February 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM
If the left and their assorted manic hangers on can condone the killing of children before they are born, doctor assisted suicide, and denying care to millions of the mentally ill, then why should we find it difficult to believe they can make a superhero out of a washed out former member of the military and cop. The left likes to pin every failure by a minority on racism. It’s an easy cop out(no pun intended), instead of accepting that not everyone is always or ever going to win. Hill is crammed full of this cr#p.
Kissmygrits on February 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM
Say it with me: “The Violent Libs”.
“The Angry Left” works as well, I guess.
Axeman on February 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM
I was sure his comment was a sarcastic Dowd reference when I read it, and it gave me a nice chuckle.. I don’t know trs, though. If he’s actually serious, then that just makes it ten times as funny.
RINO in Name Only on February 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM
But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. After all, if culture is willing to glorify Che Guevara and suicide bombers while condemning the people who defend innocents from them, why should it come as a surprise that culture would defend a serial killer?
pendell2 on February 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM
Yea.. she says that’s what it is…and then in response to ‘A liberal critic of my comments (who) asked for examples. Here’s one:”
Yep. She’s really digging deep here.
Ha.
But she’s fascinated by all of it.
I imagine the sparkle will dim for her eventually….
verbaluce on February 14, 2013 at 9:38 AM
Once again, the libs show that they are pro or con people-getting-shot depending on who is doing the shooting and getting shot.
The problem with Newtown, is that children were shot, and they’re not on the list of people to shoot.
Whereas, I believe the vast right’s list consists of: violent law-breakers, foreign enemies and traitors.
Axeman on February 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM
My God, I had no idea. Here I was, mocking the guy for being a murderer, but now it turns out he was just an independent, self-employed executioner.
RINO in Name Only on February 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM
Could be.
In this day and age with an increasingly unhinged left, it’s really not a good idea to leave off the sarcasm tags.
sharrukin on February 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM
Always room for the “/s”
For some some it IS necessary.
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM
Yeah, I get it. It’s just the Tea Party that can’t oppose a historic government overreach and not be racist at the same time.
The liberal standard: One for them, and they promise not to shoot us–most of the time.
Axeman on February 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM
Not really, just read the threads at DU or Kos and you’ll see the standard neanderthal libtards rooting for Dorner.
Any rational person would be fascinated by the behavior of these deranged animals.
sentinelrules on February 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM
Your read on the CNN episode should help us all here.
Care to dive in ?
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM
And the reaction of the left: “What an idiot/insensitive! She misspelled Django!”
Axeman on February 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM
These are the people the Left’s ‘hero’ murdered. Every Dorner fan should be made to look at these faces every day for a year, and be kicked in the head every time they speak Dorner’s filthy name.
http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-who-they-were-dorners-alleged-victims/
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM
There are two kinds of educated black men: the hard-left Marc Lamont Hill’s (Toure, Spike Lee, Roland Martin are in this group) whose characteristics can be summed up as paranoid, whiny, hair-trigger raging, and suffer from a severe racial inferiority complex and seemingly fantasize about taking it to ‘whitey’ through violent means as a form of cathartic retribution for past injustices. They use art, psuedo-intellectualism in the form of cheesy essays and poetry, music, and live vicariously through Chris Dorner’s actions with a wistful smile on LIVE TV, not thinking twice about the innocent black man he murdered, not to mention several others.
The other kind of educated black man is defined by his mental strength. This guy is sexy and my personal fave…he’s color-blind, rational, takes his hits like a man. He’s a workhorse out in the real world. He doesn’t spend his time on his ass in cable news outlets run by white Libs, giving him a chair to spin his tale of woe and ubiquitous injustice. No, this guy went into business or medicine or something far away from politics and education (and those hordes of victim-enabling, ass-kissing, ‘oh you poor, helpless baby’ Liberal whites) and is an immense success away from the Grievance Industry of Media and Academia. Guys in this list include Dr. Ben Carson, Charles Payne, and Chris Gardner, who Wil Smith played in the docudrama ‘The Pursuit of Happyness’, which everyone should see if they haven’t. Not surprising, the latter bunch tend to be patriotic Americans living in the now and not in the past, and are often hated upon by their Leftist brethren for not embracing the anger and hate they choose to live with.
RepubChica on February 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM
Marc Lamont Hill, (and any others who are blaming the LAPD for Dorner’s demise)
This was originally posted by me at a CNN website where half the comments were in support for Dorner’s murderous acts.
Rovin on February 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM
I don’t agree.
The guy was a certifiable piece of sh*t. Better his name be forgotten and the names of the victim’s remembered.
But that’s not helped with MKH spouting and promoting b.s. like “Dorner sympathy goes mainstream”.
Working some made up angle just as an opp to spew the same old tired right wing cliches about media…it’s insensitive, opportunistic, and exploitative. She’s no better here than this Marc Lamont Hill guy she’s giving ink to.
I’m sure she’s better elsewhere and on other topics.
So I encourage her to shift focus.
verbaluce on February 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM
Somehow I’m pretty sure I misread the tone of your comment as some kind if rebuttal, to mean the exact opposite of what you actually said. Sorry about that.
RINO in Name Only on February 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM
So I encourage her to shift focus.
verbaluce on February 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM
I’m sure you do. The fact that he’s a Liberal psychotic killer is embarrasing as all get-out, isn’t it?
kingsjester on February 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM
No prob. I was just adding a little more information to why Mumia was convicted and given the death penalty in 1982. It was commuted to life in prison last year.
SCOTUS even heard his appeals, and denied they had merit. If I recall, Mumia represented himself in court, then claimed he had inadequate counsel after he was sentenced. Now, he’s seen by the Left as a ‘political’ prisoner.
Sick b*stards…
Liam on February 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM
Why shift focus? Dorner remains a topical story and it reinforces characteristics of the mainstream Left of today. And it isn’t a cliche when you have liberal media outlets playing up this angle, such as CNN and MSNBC.
Just because you don’t like it and makes many liberals squeamish about the behavior of their fellow liberals, well, tough. And as for comparing her to Lamont Hill, well, she is not praising this killer, unlike Hill.
Also, there is a pattern of liberal media response to black mass murderers.
Below is an article where a black man killed 9 people in CT back in 2010. There was the same sympathy toward him by these liberals as with Dorner.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/03/dead-wounded-conn-workplace-shooting/
sentinelrules on February 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM
Exposing the diseased rodents running around in liberal heads is rather embarrassing isn’t it?
sharrukin on February 14, 2013 at 10:07 AM
^^^^THIS!^^^^
Solaratov on February 14, 2013 at 10:11 AM
No Marc, you are the poster boy for affirmative action. I truly doubt you have that capability.
bw222 on February 14, 2013 at 10:13 AM
Your “point”?
Solaratov on February 14, 2013 at 10:14 AM
You’re an idiot!
Solaratov on February 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM
Glad you feel that way re: Dorner.
However, there ARE folks out there do not feel the same. And, unfortunately, CNN has given those folks a platform. Frankly, we have not heard the last of them.
They are not bloggers or other internet heros like us, but rather real folks, with names and faces, voicing some pretty objectionable opinions on a reasonably well watched station. Opinions that a surprising number of people agree with. And they will not be going away anytime soon. That episode will be “youtubed” all over the place in support of Dorner’s actions, just as it is used here to decry his work.
MKH is correct to point it out and take it on.
Jabberwock on February 14, 2013 at 10:17 AM
Odd, isn’t it, that we don’t see your name atop well-written, incisive articles which people have asked you to write. One would think that someone of your insight and ability would have a vast portfolio…that would demonstrate that you are somehow qualified to , not only critique, but offer advice on, the product of other writers who seem to be well-respected in their profession.
Perhaps you could demonstrate this talent and churn out a couple of fine articles for us. You know, just to show the amateurs how it’s done by a real writer of substance.
No.
You’re just an idiot…
…with a fixation.
Solaratov on February 14, 2013 at 10:34 AM
1. Dorner made clear by his note that he was suicidal. Death by cop was his wish; that, and to take as many with him as possible.
2. He had many chances to turn himself in.
3. He killed a police officer in the standoff at the cabin.
4. What is the difference between firing bullets into the cabin to kill Dorner and firing teargas canisters that might result in a fire – other than the certainty of death from a bullet against the chance of flushing Dorner out alive with the teargas?
shuzilla on February 14, 2013 at 10:35 AM
Not sure you understand the comments section…
But thank you for yours!
verbaluce on February 14, 2013 at 10:41 AM
DDS: Django Derangement Syndrome(Tm)
1st!
Terp Mole on February 14, 2013 at 10:43 AM
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