Dorner sympathy goes mainstream: “Like watching ‘Django Unchained.’ It’s kind of exciting!”

posted at 9:36 pm on February 13, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

A liberal critic of my comments on “The O’Reilly Factor” this week tweeted his displeasure with my assertion that factions of the “Left” and “some liberals” sympathized with Chris Dorner and even made him into a folk hero. He asked for examples. Here’s one:

It’s hard to imagine how Marc Lamont Hill could have put this more appallingly. One member of the panel starts by rather sensibly bemoaning the waste of life, manpower, and ink in this chase. Hill responds:

“There’s no waste here, though. I mean, this has been an important public conversation that we’ve had about police brutality, about police corruption, about state violence. I mean, there were even talks about making him the first domestic drone target. I mean, this is serious business here. I don’t think it’s been a waste of time at all.

And, as far as Dorner himself goes, he’s been like a real-life superhero to many people. Now, don’t get me wrong, what he did was awful, killing innocent people is bad. But when you read his manifesto, you read the message that he left, he wasn’t entirely crazy. He had a plan and a mission, here. And, many people aren’t rooting for him to kill innocent people; they’re rooting for someone who was wronged to get a kind of revenge against the system. It’s almost like watching ‘Django Unchained’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting.”

Hill and I have been on many of the same TV shows. We have been paired as sparring partners. We have been in TV doing commentary for approximately the same amount of time. Please imagine a scenario in which there is a fugitive who killed four people, two of them police officers, wounded four others, taunted the families of his innocent victims, held a couple hostage for days, and led one of the largest manhunts in recent history because he felt the government was too overbearing a force, spending too much money, and taking too much freedom from its citizens. Imagine his manifesto referenced issues about which I care deeply, such as the need for entitlement reforms and the need for charter schools and school choice, and name-checked Bill O’Reilly and Tucker Carlson as admired figures. And, I went on TV and said this:

“There’s no waste here, though. I mean, this has been an important public conversation that we’ve had about entitlement reform, about some of endangered liberties, and about school choice. I mean, this is serious business here. I don’t think it’s been a waste of time at all.

And, as far as [Quadruple Murderer] himself goes, he’s been like a real-life superhero to many people. Now, don’t get me wrong, what he did was awful, killing innocent people is bad. But when you read his manifesto, you read the message that he left, he wasn’t entirely crazy. He had a plan and a mission, here. And, many people aren’t rooting for him to kill innocent people; they’re rooting for someone who was wronged to get a kind of revenge against the system. It’s almost like watching ‘Red Dawn’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting.”

First of all, we’d never be having this conversation on TV, because it’s a warped and deeply insensitive conversation to have. Quite the opposite: as a conservative, I would have been forced to carefully distance and denounce for a week straight (and, by the way, would be required to do this even if there were no evidence the murderer shared my belief system, as in the case of Jared Loughner). Never would there be a discussion of whether we should consider whether the murderer had a legitimate grievance, nor should there be. You have lost the privilege of a “national conversation” about your grievances once you have killed four fellow citizens. If anything, I would curse the perpetrator not just for his murders but for making it nearly impossible for me to speak publicly about the concerns he, regrettably, shared with me.

Second, I would never, ever, ever say this because it is morally deranged. I believe many of the country’s problems are immediate, moral concerns. I believe there are government policies that are actively hurting people at this very moment, and I’d like to have a spotlight on them. I even believe that far too often, police investigations are faulty and police tactics can hurt innocent people, as they did in this manhunt. (Update: Come to think of it, I actually did on “O’Reilly” this week exactly what Hill failed to do—made clear that Dorner deserves no sympathy while also holding LAPD accountable for injuries to civilians.) Standing in the spotlight afforded you by the murderer of four fellow citizens, however, while broadly smiling and comparing it to watching a really sweet revenge fantasy flick is not the way to solve these issues. If I tried to pull this crap on Marc on TV, I daresay he’d find it disgusting.

Hill’s not the only one, either. As Buzzfeed notes, Dorner support is going mainstream.

Alternet, the leftist online magazine, ran a story by Chauncey DeVega arguing that Dorner could “be transformed through popular culture and storytelling into a figure talked about for decades and centuries to come, with multiple versions of his tales and exploits, shaped by the griots and bards for their respective audiences.”

“Christopher Dorner dared to tell his version of the truth regarding the LAPD’s history of corruption and racism,” DeVega writes. “They do not like tattle tales and ‘snitches.’ Dorner was a particularly noxious threat to the status quo both because of his violent actions, as well as the symbolic power of his words and deeds.”

Salon’s Natasha Lennard has written a couple of stories sympathetic to Dorner (“Ex-cops sympathize with Dorner’s anger,” “Were Dorner’s complaints legitimate?”). Vice, in a story about whether or not Anonymous will retaliate after Dorner’s death, implicitly compared Dorner to anti-establishment heroes like Bradley Manning and Aaron Swartz, while acknowledging that “a murderous ex-cop is a lot harder to defend than these nonviolent liberators of information.”

Hill has been defending his comment on his Twitter feed, saying he was merely speaking for “many people” who feel that way about Dorner and his rampage. If that’s the case, then he’s also obligated to make clear that he thinks this inclination is disgusting and, ahem, %^&*# crazy. Sadly, the truth is, “many people” don’t think that inclination is disgusting and ^&T*# crazy, and he is one of them.

Bonus viewing: Katie Pavlich going after Hill:

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When JFK was assassinated, the left simply couldn’t accept that he was shot by a communist-sympathizing loser (i.e. one of their own). It simple HAD to be something else, and thus numerous crackpot theories were born, especially ones that painted some conservative boogeyman as the true culprit.

Similarly, when 9/11 happened, the left simply could not accept that we were sucker-punched by a bunch of rabid America-hating, Israel-hating, violent, filthy savages (i.e., one of their own). Thus the Truther movement was born, where every usual suspect from the Mossad to Exxon to Dick Cheney to Mickey mouse was the true culprit… but NEVER the Muslims who commit atrocities daily, oh no!!

And now we have a man who spoke openly of his admiration of leftists and the liberal media… and now people are shocked to see people cheer him on!

And some play the middle ground, and casually, slyly support the crackpots by saying “this smells funny”. To those I say: don’t be a wuss. If you admire him, embrace him and wear your leftism proudly. Otherwise, please consider that this guy was a loose cannon – dangerous, armed, trained, and had already killed cops. Of course they were going to burn him. What do you think would have happened if he got away and killed again?

weew on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

locomotivebreath1901 on February 13, 2013 at 9:48 PM

I may be wrong but he received his PHD in Urban Studies, one of the most challenging and difficult course of academia to master out there.

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:19 PM

So you say.

But let’s see his undergraduate record, what he completed there. I’m betting it was “Sociology” or “Black Studies” or something like that, and I’m betting he was an AA admission.

“Urban Studies” may very well be “difficult…to master” but once in a Ph.D. program after the as-yet non-discussed undergraduate circumstances, candidates are generally carried along with an assurance of them completing the curriculum regardless of how “difficult” it is or isn’t.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

The *difference* as to DOrnan who is being praised for his similar actions as McVeigh and Rudolph (among others), is race: Dornan’s black, the others are white.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:18 PM

McVeigh and Rudolph were highly principled people who were willing to die for their cause — McVeigh against the government overreach of Waco, and Rudolph against abortion and sanction of homosexuality and probably some other culturally conservative causes. His older brother videotaped himself as he cut off his own hand with a radial saw as a protest.

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

This guy was a loser compared to the Mad Trapper of Rat River

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Charles Bronson in the dugout cabin, one of the best movie scenes ever.

“Hi there.” BOOOOOOOM!

Bishop on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Agreed.

BKeyser on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

All of the facebook posters and twits on twitter in support of this guy re-inforces my opinion that gun bans are a bad idea. There is a growing segment of society that supports anarchy and is amoral. How quickly this guys fans dismiss the young woman and her fiance, killed because this guy didn’t like the LAPD.

The media is partly to blame. They took his manifesto and presented it as a fact filled indictment of the LAPD. Now I’m sure that there are rotten cops in the LAPD, but this murderous scum did not provide any proof of his claims in his diatribe, just lots of whining and complaining. I think this guy had a big race chip on his shoulder long before joining the police and his victimhood sent him over the edge.

It’s almost like watching ‘Django Unchained’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting.”

It’s alarming how many people seem to have trouble separating fictional movie life from reality. Unlike the dead people in Django Unchained who move on to new movie projects, the people killed by this madman are gone forever. This murderer also may lend credence to the theory that movies like Django can have a profound effect on fans.

Ibanez Lotus on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

If Dorner was white or if he had praised Sarah Palin or Glen Beck in his psychotic manifesto this would be a different story.
The Notorious G.O.P on February 13, 2013 at 9:44 PM

When they manufactured absurd links to Palin and Tucson the (fake)outrage towards her was enormous. Here’s a guy who actually murdered people and there’s zero outrage. In fact, the best they can do is say, “of course I don’t condone his actions, but…”

But it is consistent with a group of people who have no problem with abortion but abhor the death penalty.

Dongemaharu on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Dorner is being glorified for one reason and one reason only–he’s black. If this had been a white man he wouldn’t have been given the time of day.

Ken James on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

What are the odds a white non-manifesting Dorner would have been crisis leveraged Pelosi standing in last nights SOTU???

drivingtheview on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Et tu MLH?

netster007x on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I own a TV. I just don’t watch it much.

wolly4321 on February 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Dorner supportSociopathy is going mainstream.

and people, especially liberals themselves, so like to opine about how, oh, however, could millions of people support a government, vote for a government that took to an official policy of murdering its own citizens to the tune of 6 million, building death camps with ovens and gas chambers… really, it’s a mystery….

the word evil about covers it. they’re not just detached, they’re depraved ghouls reveling in slaughter as long as the narrative cuts their way.

decline happened long ago. now, we’re in the fall. i am repulsed to be surrounded by such feckless and vile moral freaks.

mittens on February 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM

I see all this and think back to one of Booker T Washington’s more poignant comments, that is always overlooked, for some strange reason, but that in and of itself is ironic considering his quote.

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Lamont, you big dummy!

/In before Fred Sanford, jeez you people are slow.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 10:26 PM

You think the savages are cheering now?
Wait until they come after us.

weew on February 13, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Donald DeFreeze burned to death on national TV a few years ago.He was also a hero of the left and I believe he had a manifesto.

docflash on February 13, 2013 at 10:27 PM

If Barackabama had a son, he’d look like Dorner.

Speaking of, why couldn’t we all take the time to understand George Zimmerman and his perspective?

SouthernGent on February 13, 2013 at 10:27 PM

I see all this and think back to one of Booker T Washington’s more poignant comments, that is always overlooked, for some strange reason, but that in and of itself is ironic considering his quote.

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Paste. :) For people who don’t know.

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Mr. ziffel left off the sarcasm tag.

farsighted on February 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I think the manifesto left no room to manufacture a link between Dorner and Sarah Palin/Tea Party/Republicans. Plus, Dorner pushed all the “right” buttons. So nobody on the left wants to get all critical of him.

Sekhmet on February 13, 2013 at 10:29 PM

I giggled at that and now I feel guilty, thanks a lot.

ccrosby on February 13, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Good, you should feel bad. I also ate Bambi’s aunt chili tonight courtesy of my Elk hunting neighbor. mmm good. :)

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:29 PM

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Still though, it might be exciting for him. ; )

Bmore on February 13, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Dorner sympathy goes mainstream: “Like watching ‘Django Unchained.’

Dorner killed individuals having nothing to do with his personal grievance.

Django killed individuals having everything to do with his personal grievance.

One of these things is not like the other Mr. Hill.

It’s kind of exciting!”

Although I wasn’t able to watch it, it is kind of exciting Dorner paid his dues.

It’s also very heartbreaking the individuals he killed didn’t owe any.

rukiddingme on February 13, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Bishop on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

It is, as a matter of fact I have it on my external, watch it all the time, and the real guys story, a lot of survival lessons learned there. When you look at his gear and what he did, yeah, he was the real deal.

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:30 PM

It’s alarming how many people seem to have trouble separating fictional movie life from reality. Unlike the dead people in Django Unchained who move on to new movie projects, the people killed by this madman are gone forever. This murderer also may lend credence to the theory that movies like Django can have a profound effect on fans.

Ibanez Lotus on February 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Movies like that have always existed. The disturbing part in this day and age is how popular they are becoming. It appeals to the leftist mindset. Don’t assume they don’t know what the cost is in real life, or that they wouldn’t be willing to support such actions, or participate themselves.

sharrukin on February 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Just as the US engaged in that “race-based mortgage lending” mess (with horrific fallout from it, ongoing) for purposes of “getting Black people into their own homes that they owned”…

…just as that program was literally government induced if not government required, the same happened in academia as to Black college and graduate program admissions. If you visited any major university from about 1985 on, you’d see an unusual number of Black Ph.D.s and administrators — I describe them as “an unusual amount of” them because in proportion to their race numbers among the overall population, they were by that time very much over-represented in graduate programs and/or as having completed such but then administering higher education.

Same thing happened with commercial television: NAACP complained that they didn’t “see enough Black people” in and on TV and commerical spots and presto, short years later, a plethora if not an unusual domination of appearances in tv and commercials by Blacks.

BLacks are, what, 18 percent of the overall population but they now comprise a much higher percentage of faces in media, in academia…it’s not reasonable that they as a race with very low educational standards and achievements (read the internet for proof of that) would somehow be the most worthy of doctorate-level admissions and achievements and/or be the best talent for tv commercials and serial broadcasts.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

It’s almost like watching ‘Django Unchained’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting.”

Further evidence that if you are black and liberal you can get away with saying almost anything.

farsighted on February 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Where’s our professor this is a perfect forum for him.

RickB on February 13, 2013 at 10:13 PM

liveasaslaveanddie is organizing an East Coast wake for the dearly departed Django.

(They were thinking of having a barbecue…but some thought that might be in bad taste.)

:-)

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Imagine a terrible riot in a big city a year or so from now… think of how many cheerleaders the rioters will have! And when the savages bear down on us, who among their peers will suddenly have a change of heart and say “Stop! This is wrong!”

Those who support this guy are canaries in the coal mine.

weew on February 13, 2013 at 10:32 PM

..how come every Hill that I know…is racist?

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Henry Hill wasn’t, neither was Hank Hill. What about hamburger hill and pork chop hill?

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Tap on that Sarcasm Detection gauge a couple times; the indicator needle is stuck.

M240H on February 13, 2013 at 10:33 PM

O/T.

Did you guys see who made an appearance yesterday? RuPoll!!!

Once again, Palin shows she is the only Conservative who has a clue how to respond to something in a timely manner.

At this point, I could care less whether she can win any election for any office, she is still the only Republican I would donate to.

gumbyandpokey on February 12, 2013 at 5:24 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/12/oops-wapo-retracts-report-sarah-palin-is-going-to-al-jazeera/comment-page-3/#comments

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Hill is the typical leftist apologist who finds acts like this “compelling” only because it fits his mem of social injustice towards all others excepts white. He is the perfect liberal

theblacksheepwasright on February 13, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Dorner sympathy goes mainstream: “Like watching ‘Django Unchained.’

Hey, what was that, again, just a few weeks ago, going around throughout Left media about how films/movies didn’t have much to anything to do with violence in society?

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Masks are coming off and no matter how much cleaning fluid they use they get the glue to stick to have them stay on again.

tjexcite on February 13, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Where’s our professor this is a perfect forum for him.

RickB on February 13, 2013 at 10:13 PM

From the comments I’ve read recently probably lusting in his heart for 16 year old boys.

farsighted on February 13, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Imagine a terrible riot in a big city a year or so from now… think of how many cheerleaders the rioters will have! And when the savages bear down on us, who among their peers will suddenly have a change of heart and say “Stop! This is wrong!”

Those who support this guy are canaries in the coal mine.

weew on February 13, 2013 at 10:32 PM

EBR’s: The anti-canary.

Bishop on February 13, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Mr. ziffel left off the sarcasm tag.

farsighted on February 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM

rofl, jeezuz some people just ain’t real quick on the uptake. I gaffed her twice in twenty minutes.

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Mr. ziffel left off the sarcasm tag.

farsighted on February 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Tap on that Sarcasm Detection gauge a couple times; the indicator needle is stuck.

M240H on February 13, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Right, yes, I realize Mr. Ziffel was being sarcastic…but I wasn’t when I lapsed into a serious response about the AA admissions thing and problematic results such as Mr. Hill.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:37 PM

But if you really *really* want to give yourself an intelleiual Indian Burn, just imagine the Black Progressive Media (Old and New) take on the Dorner case:

Some will say he got what was coming to him, being a member of the “White Man’s Oppression Squad” or some such nonsense. While others will say he was an innocent victim of the same aforementioned “WMOS”….

The only course of agreement was that the LAPD went out their way to kill him…etc etc etc.

So far I have heard less than nothing about the murder victims since this nut went on this spree…and I got the same feeling we wont either.

OTOH, i think it would have been worse, if they brought this guy in alive for trial…because then you’re looking at people that would have portrayed him as a martyr, and frankly I’m not sure that even then a California court would have found him Guilty.

BlaxPac on February 13, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Mr. ziffel left off the sarcasm tag.

farsighted on February 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM

rofl, jeezuz some people just ain’t real quick on the uptake. I gaffed her twice in twenty minutes.

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Right, yes, I realize Mr. Ziffel was being sarcastic…but I wasn’t when I lapsed into a serious response about the AA admissions thing and problematic results such as Mr. Hill.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:37 PM

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I hope you realize, ziffel, that some of us are not functioning under the “mr. ziffel demands you write in-kind” collar.

I realize you were being sarcastic. I wasn’t. It’s not required, as far as I know, to respond to sarcasm with more sarcasm.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:39 PM

If I heard people getting paid to squawk on TV calling my innocent loved one’s murderer a hero, I would personally fvck their sh!t up beyond all recognition.

Legally, of course.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Lay it down Mary…

Kaptain Amerika on February 13, 2013 at 10:41 PM

After reading the “team Dorner” mess on twitter, it looks like Dorner was one-of-the-ordinary, what he’s done was praised along the lines of what was trendy to do by those praising the deranged murderer, by other Black guys and some pathetic, race-unclear skanky females.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM

That’s brave, swimming in that outhouse. I hope it’s just a cult of losers. No one on that CNN panel seemed against the cult of Kill The Cops And Their Kids cult. Even if every cop in the America is a dbag,there are plenty of civilian thugs and criminals that are a lot lot worse. I’ve been heckled, harassed and falsely arrested by cops. I’m not pissed off about it. I don’t think every cop is the cop that was this or that ahole. And even if they all were, so what. I don’t have to deal with cops. I have lived in all types of areas and I’ve seen cops beat people up 2 times (I don’t know why they did. Maybe the kids had pulled a weapon. I don’t know). 2 times. They aren’t in the street ,nightly beating the poor innocent peasants. People approach cops. Cops eat at all the local restaurants. No one runs from the restaurants in fear of the cops. If something gets out of hand, the poorest of the poor and every colour call the cops. I’m rambling now. Good night.

BoxHead1 on February 13, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Right, yes, I realize Mr. Ziffel was being sarcastic . . .

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Marc Lamont Hill ✔ @marclamonthill

I don’t support murder and I empathize with ALL the victims. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t also understand Dorner and his perspective.
9:25 PM – 13 Feb 13

Riiight, ‘cuz that would explain why he MURDERED 4 people that had nothing to do with the LAPD…

Monica Quan, an Asian-American woman: NOT LAPD.

Keith Lawrence, African-American: NOT LAPD.

Michael Crain, husband, father of 2, and served 2 tours in the Persian Gulf War: NOT LAPD.

San Bernadino Officer, Hispanic, husband, father of two, including a newborn baby: NOT LAPD.

http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-who-they-were-dorners-alleged-victims/

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:41 PM

MKH hasn’t even reprinted the most offensive, deranged tweets from those who are cheering this situation. I mean, they’re absolutely grotesque and debased, almost all of them. (Reference: read twitter hashtag ” #TeamDornan ” but be prepared, it’s savage stuff there).

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:42 PM

MKH – next time you go on TV call Eric Rudolph a super hero and see what happens.

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM

…can’t!…she has class !…you can see that… whenever she is on!

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Gahh, I mean, ” #TeamDorner ” …

https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23teamdorner&src=tyah

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:43 PM

It’s not over though.

#resist

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Am I trending? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Right, yes, I realize Mr. Ziffel was being sarcastic . . .

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Snarky. It suits you. Sorta creepy and “let me walk over there away from you, quick” sorta’ thing.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Watching the network that pondered if Rubio’s live sip of bottled ruined his career… They have moved on to wall to wall conspiracy theory coverage that Dorner got purposely torched by the LAPD. Inference is his unjust termination caused a purposeful house burning to shut him up. The 4 cold blooded assault rifle murders have so far been cast aside as a side bar to the more pertinent conspiracy. This will be mass mainstream media talking points moving forward. Conspiracy also legitimizes the manifesto (& all those ‘sup shout outs). Holding shot of patron waiting for the first pundit to request a national conversation about why white mass murderers are not purposefully burned alive in their hiding places??? If Dorner was white ex-military – think O would have been at a funeral procession in LA today???

drivingtheview on February 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM

i can’t stand any time i have seen marc lamont hill on TV and this is the worst! he really is nothing more than excrement and it’s people like him who try to speak for my entire race that makes us look bad… and why does anyone let him on their TV show at all? all he does is spout BS every single freaking time. he is so disgusting.

i sent him some hate tweets and i hope you all do too!

Sachiko on February 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM

The news made it sound like Dorner was practically some sort of survival expert but in hindsight it turns out he was pretty incompetent from the get-go. He basically drove into a natural bottleneck, stranding himself, then advertising his presence by providing a smoke plume leading directly to his vehicle. I was watching some MSNBC coverage of the event for a few hours, just to see how they would deal with their hypocrisy, and Chris Mathews kept remarking about how smart Dorner is, like he is some sort of genius, (because he likes MSNBC, presumably), but in fact he was an idiot! He practically captured himself!

FloatingRock on February 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM

I mean really beat some one up. I’ve seen them rough up a lot of out of control drunks and such..

BoxHead1 on February 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM

If Dorner was white or if he had praised Sarah Palin or Glen Beck in his psychotic manifesto this would be a different story.
The Notorious G.O.P on February 13, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Had that been the case, the Assault Weapons Ban would be law today…and a confiscation law in effect by the first of next week. And the “FEMA Camps” would be filled to capacity within a month.

As it is, however, Dorner is of no use in furthering the narrative.

He is a product of the left; and he belongs completely to them.

Solaratov on February 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Paste. :) For people who don’t know.

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM

This one?

“There is (a) class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the N3gro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the N3gro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. … There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”

- Booker T Washington, 1911

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:46 PM

MKH – next time you go on TV call Eric Rudolph a super hero and see what happens.

besser tot als rot on February 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM

…can’t!…she has class !…you can see that… whenever she is on!

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 10:42 PM

She does but I wish she’d learn to kick ass every once in awhile. Take a couple names too.

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 10:47 PM

After reading the “team Dorner” mess on twitter, it looks like Dorner was one-of-the-ordinary, what he’s done was praised along the lines of what was trendy to do by those praising the deranged murderer, by other Black guys and some pathetic, race-unclear skanky females.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM

That’s brave, swimming in that outhouse. I hope it’s just a cult of losers…

BoxHead1 on February 13, 2013 at 10:41 PM

I didn’t swin in or among it, I just used it to the extent that I located several dozen twitter accounts to block such that I hope to never have to read their garbage again.

Those Crazy-Leftwinger hashtags are useful for that, you can find a lot of the worst of humanity among them so you know who best to avoid.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Snarky. It suits you. Sorta creepy and “let me walk over there away from you, quick” sorta’ thing.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM

All I could do with that is repeat my “Right.” :)

On your tweet link:

I’m #TeamDorner …I don’t agree with the way he’s going about the shit, but I commend him on standing up to the tyrant ass LAPD

^ Sort of says it all. That’s a sense of perspective, right there.

/ <- for Lourdes

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:03 PM

…*mancrush*…(my wife said it’s okay!)

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM

– Booker T Washington, 1911

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:46 PM

As a modern day blogger, Booker T would give Mark Steyn a run for his money.

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM

The news made it sound like Dorner was practically some sort of survival expert but in hindsight it turns out he was pretty incompetent from the get-go. He basically drove into a natural bottleneck, stranding himself, then advertising his presence by providing a smoke plume leading directly to his vehicle. I was watching some MSNBC coverage of the event for a few hours, just to see how they would deal with their hypocrisy, and Chris Mathews kept remarking about how smart Dorner is, like he is some sort of genius, (because he likes MSNBC, presumably), but in fact he was an idiot! He practically captured himself!

FloatingRock on February 13, 2013 at 10:45 PM

My guess and what I said early on about the deranged guy was that he was looking for his “bigout” spectacle and had planned suicide all along. He was just after as much publicity about it as possible.

Whether or not he was “survivalist competent” seems aside from things since his incentive and goal seems to have been suicide all along.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I have tried twice to post the quote, not sure what is up.

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Am I trending? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Gurl. U always trending. :)

This one?

That one.

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:51 PM

She does but I wish she’d learn to kick ass every once in awhile. Take a couple names too.

Paul-Cincy on February 13, 2013 at 10:47 PM

…I can see it in her eyes…and in her facial expressions…you can see she’s chomping at the bit!

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Thanks RWM it wouldn’t let me do it, not sure why, and yes that was the one, ok, back to work, enjoy yourselves:)

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:52 PM

…*mancrush*…(my wife said it’s okay!)

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Yay! — Here it comes! Wait for it!

I have tried twice to post the quote, not sure what is up.

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:51 PM

:) “N*gro”

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:53 PM

On your tweet link:

I’m #TeamDorner …I don’t agree with the way he’s going about the shit, but I commend him on standing up to the tyrant ass LAPD

^ Sort of says it all. That’s a sense of perspective, right there.

/ <- for Lourdes

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Maybe I’m missing something here but I’ve been speaking out from the beginning of this mess about Dorner, the Left, the crazy involved and defining.

I only posted that link to support what I was saying here…not everyone reads twitter so I was trying to be helpful.

After I read the tweets there, I mean, it’s hideous stuff. People cheering the death of LEO, rallying to encourage Dornan (while still alive) and others to act like him…it’s evidence of how sick an element of society is today. And they’re ALL Obama supporters.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Whether or not he was “survivalist competent” seems aside from things since his incentive and goal seems to have been suicide all along.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Maybe, but once he stranded himself he hid for several days, then stole a vehicle and tried to escape the area. At least that’s what I’ve gleaned from the coverage, I only watched a few hours of coverage yesterday.

FloatingRock on February 13, 2013 at 10:54 PM

I have tried twice to post the quote, not sure what is up.

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Word filters.

Try “knee-grow”.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:55 PM

I’m surprised no one has offered the suggestion that Djorner is a White Black. Like that White Latino that killed Ogabes dream son.

BL@KBIRD on February 13, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Maybe I’m missing something here

Seems like.

but I’ve been speaking out from the beginning of this mess about Dorner, the Left, the crazy involved and defining.

OK.

I only posted that link to support what I was saying here…not everyone reads twitter so I was trying to be helpful.

I know. I read it. I found that one tweet in particular that made me shake my head, so I copied it.

After I read the tweets there, I mean, it’s hideous stuff. People cheering the death of LEO, rallying to encourage Dornan (while still alive) and others to act like him…it’s evidence of how sick an element of society is today. And they’re ALL Obama supporters.

I agree.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Whether or not he was “survivalist competent” seems aside from things since his incentive and goal seems to have been suicide all along.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Maybe, but once he stranded himself he hid for several days, then stole a vehicle and tried to escape the area. At least that’s what I’ve gleaned from the coverage, I only watched a few hours of coverage yesterday.

FloatingRock on February 13, 2013 at 10:54 PM

His sloppy running-amok all around the same guys he threatened seems to be the intentional flailing of a person desperate to take the coward’s way out — to off himself — but not even having any real fortitude (if it can be called that) to do that.

I think he was irrational (d’oh) and running in circles being crazy like a crazy person does when they want to draw a lot of attention to themselves as victims while victimizing others.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 10:57 PM

More like Django En Fuego.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 10:57 PM

mittens on February 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM


A slightly modified re-post of something I have stated a number of times since Newtown …

… but this time let’s focus on the evidence at hand:

The Mainstream Media IS the problem.

This is a symptom of a terminally ill society.

The MSM’s product at any point in time only requires a sociopath.

Sociopath – A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

We are producing them in record numbers (gang members, drug dealers, habitual liars, addicts, violent offenders, etc, etc, etc) and making celebrities out of the worst of them (50 cent, the Kartrashians, Lindsey Lohan, Chris Brown, the Kennedy family, Bill Clinton).

People are addicted to shows like “The Sopranos”, “Sons of Anarchy” and “Dexter”. All of which celebrate sociopathic values.

Conservatives are competing for attention against the sociopaths … and losing … badly.

Why?

Because conservatives champion societal standards the sociopaths are being celebrated for trashing.

The sociopaths even have the communication monopoly of the MSM keeping them in the limelight and pimping their behavior.

Until we stop the incessant worshipping of sociopathic behavior, everything else will be irrelevant.
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If you are a conservative talking head on TV …

… are you denouncing the MSM’s celebration of sociopathic behavior?

… or are you trading your values for the public exposure and thereby lending credence to the problem?

PolAgnostic on February 13, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Why all the hangwringing here? Why is this so hard to understand? I mean, I know we aren’t supposed to say it but come on!! Dorner is black. Of course blacks, in force, support anything another black does. THere are a few exceptions of course, and I mean a VERY few, but this is nothing different that the 99% black support for Obama. THis is a racial world whether we want to admit it or not. No matter how many diversity class someone makes us attend, there is and always will be racism. It’s just that us whites aren’t every supposed to accuse a black of racism. That is total BS!!

wirebitersmith on February 13, 2013 at 10:59 PM

…*mancrush*…(my wife said it’s okay!)

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Thx. Please allow me to entertain Axe….

I’m a GGGgggUUuuuuRRRRRRrrRrrRlllllllLLLLLLlllllLLllLLLLLlllll!

eL3vEntY1111111!!!!11111!!!!!11!!!11111!

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Dorner had the correct political ideology … period.
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None of the heinous acts he committed will be a valid grounds basis for esteeming him as an “evil monster”, in the eyes of the militant leftists.
He’s just a “fallen academic and intellectual”, as they see it.

Same thing that was said about Ted Kaczynski.

listens2glenn on February 13, 2013 at 11:00 PM

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:52 PM

“N*gro”

:-)

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 11:00 PM

MarshFox on February 13, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Later. ; )

Bmore on February 13, 2013 at 11:01 PM

lol — omg I’m a cheap date

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 11:02 PM

http://twitchy.com/2013/02/12/dead-or-alive-will-there-be-riots-when-christopher-dorner-is-found/

Read more evidence of the Dorner-Deranged…

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Well, I see the “chain saw love” is out this evening.

I’ll just back away, and let y’all have at each other.

listens2glenn on February 13, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Gurl. U always trending. :)

Axe on February 13, 2013 at 10:51 PM

lol

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Of course blacks, in force, support anything another black does….

wirebitersmith on February 13, 2013 at 10:59 PM

[Little sing-song voice]

…and that’s whyyy they shoot each other…

[An adult steps in]

Otherwise, I agree with you.

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM

The news made it sound like Dorner was practically some sort of survival expert but in hindsight it turns out he was pretty incompetent from the get-go. He basically drove into a natural bottleneck, stranding himself, then advertising his presence by providing a smoke plume leading directly to his vehicle. I was watching some MSNBC coverage of the event for a few hours, just to see how they would deal with their hypocrisy, and Chris Mathews kept remarking about how smart Dorner is, like he is some sort of genius, (because he likes MSNBC, presumably), but in fact he was an idiot! He practically captured himself!

To presume Dorner was not expert/smart/genius at whatever he was attempting to do would have been racist

drivingtheview on February 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM

We didn’t speak out against the cop-killer rap crap when that started. It was freedom of speech. We didn’t speak out when blacks started demanding “reparations” from folks who never owned a slave. What the heck do people think they are going to do? We’ve given a pass for bad behavior to an entire segment of society. Why are we surprised when they continue, and advance, that bad behavior?

So this guy gets fired and 12% of our nation supports him while another large percentage of whites is just dandy with him killing people over it. Get ready for more to come!!

wirebitersmith on February 13, 2013 at 11:07 PM

This is for Axe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mamWqNRMo20

…runs away….

Lourdes on February 13, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Has Dorner been nominated for a Darwin Award yet? If not, he should be.

Christien on February 13, 2013 at 11:09 PM

LOL! WOW! Katie Pavlich was merciless. I love it!!!

Yakko77 on February 13, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Anyone who has followed Mark Lamont Hill over the years already knows what a piece of crap racist he is. I fully expected him to be on board the Dorner Train!!

wirebitersmith on February 13, 2013 at 11:14 PM

I may be wrong but he received his PHD in Urban Studies, one of the most challenging and difficult course of academia to master out there.

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I take it that was typed sarcastically, no?

98ZJUSMC on February 13, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Further evidence that if you are black and liberal you can get away with saying almost anything.

farsighted on February 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

There

98ZJUSMC on February 13, 2013 at 11:24 PM

I wonder if it was his family that got shot and murdered in cold blood would he still call it “exciting”? Someone getting revenge against the system? Just like a lame Hollywood movie? What a pile of dirt this moron is.

Dollayo on February 13, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Kinda like Juan defends Ø every, single time.

ExpressoBold on February 13, 2013 at 11:25 PM

I may be wrong but he received his PHD in Urban Studies, one of the most challenging and difficult course of academia to master out there.

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:19 PM

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What the Fu… never mind, I just added my own /sarc

ExpressoBold on February 13, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Henry Hill wasn’t, neither was Hank Hill. What about hamburger hill and pork chop hill?

arnold ziffel on February 13, 2013 at 10:32 PM

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Add Benny Hill

ExpressoBold on February 13, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Resist We Much on February 13, 2013 at 10:46 PM

The entire raison d’etre of the left is to keep dummies dumb. Otherwise they’s switch parties. Different victimhoods for same cause, looting/voting/looting…

Leftists are always for tyranny.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Posts like THIS are why Mary Katherine Ham is one of the most important voices alive!

williamg on February 13, 2013 at 11:40 PM

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