Poll: Republicans support path to citizenship for illegals — until they find out Obama supports it too

posted at 4:41 pm on February 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Worth posting for two reasons. One, obviously: It’s newsworthy that a big majority of GOPers are open to a path to citizenship in the abstract. Don’t put it past The One to screw that up by turning the Senate immigration debate into a partisan pissing match, but for the moment there’s at least some reason for Rubio, McCain, et al. to believe that they can sell comprehensive reform to the right. This isn’t the only poll lately to show majority Republican support for citizenship either. A Fox News poll published two weeks ago found 56 percent in favor of a path provided that illegals are made to learn English, pay a fine and back taxes, and so forth.

Two: It’s glorious to be lectured by liberal bloggers about not letting partisanship dictate one’s policy preferences after a post-Bush Democratic shift on counterterrorism so profound that missile strikes on U.S. citizens are now part of the left’s Overton window. Whatever you think of O’s strategy, it’s Republicans who’ve been consistent at least on drones and Dems who’ve been “overtly unprincipled hacks,” in Glenn Greenwald’s words, in letting their position be determined by their antipathy to Bush.

Anyway:

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The AWB numbers are as interesting to me as the immigration numbers. All along I’ve assumed that O taking a major role in the big gun-control push would polarize it the same way his presence in the immigration scrum might polarize that. Not so. On the contrary, his advocacy for gun control has the opposite effect you’d expect, making Republicans ever so slightly warmer to the idea and Democrats slightly colder (albeit within the margin of error). Why is that? My guess is that, after decades of debate and mountains of partisan dogma on both sides, people’s opinions on gun control are baked in the cake of their party ID to the point where even the president’s boosterism can’t do much to change them. No matter how much you dislike The One, your feelings about banning assault weapons were likely set before he ever even thought of running for president. Immigration is different: The policies involved are more complex, especially when presented as a “comprehensive” package, and Republicans are weighing the need to woo Latino voters more urgently after Romney’s loss. That’s more fluid, so the political gravity of the presidency has more of an effect. Or am I missing something?


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republics, the dimoCrap party lite.

De Oppresso Liber on February 12, 2013 at 4:45 PM

This grand-daughter of a LEGAL immigrant is against amnesty…and I don’t give a f&ck who supports it!!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Well reassure them Palin supports it, too. Maybe a Palin outweighs an Obama and a RINO Rubio. Think it does.

Marcus on February 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Well reassure them Palin supports it, too. Maybe a Palin outweighs an Obama and a RINO Rubio. Think it does.

Marcus on February 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM

ANYONE who supports amnesty-ANYONE-is very wrong.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2013 at 4:50 PM

OT: gunfight in Big Bear happening now.

can_con on February 12, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Is it too early for Scotch?

alchemist19 on February 12, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Some people got a real short memory.

NeoKong on February 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM

OT: gunfight in Big Bear happening now.

can_con on February 12, 2013 at 4:54 PM

G-d be with those officers.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM

1) Build the fence (make conservs happy)
2) Have dedicated flying drones flying border (make Libs happy)
/////////////////////////////
Bi-partisanship.

hillsoftx on February 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM

The media will of course analyze this incorrectly. The reason that they don’t like the plan anymore isn’t because they don’t like O, and therefore can’t support something he likes. It’s actually because the don’t trust O, so they now think the path to citizenship is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and they are right.

Jackalope on February 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM

That’s more fluid, so the political gravity of the presidency has more of an effect. Or am I missing something?

Trust that the politicians in question (Obama) can be reasonably assumed to keep his word. Most Republicans rightly assume he cannot given his history.

sharrukin on February 12, 2013 at 4:57 PM

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can_con on February 12, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Poll: Republicans support path to citizenship for illegals — until they find out Obama supports it too

No, until they find out obama would be involved. Not the same thing.

Ronnie on February 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

…until they find out the consequences that the MSM never talks about.

FloatingRock on February 12, 2013 at 5:16 PM

All of them are RINOs! rEVOLution! I may have voted for McCain and Romney but I promise I wont vote next time!

-HA commentators.

Flapjackmaka on February 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM

A rapidly shrinking number of Republicans support Rubio — until they find out that he and obama are on the same page when it comes to instant amnesty for illegals.

Rubio is doing all the heavy lifting for obama on amnesty – Rubio’s pandering, slobbering, bilingual SOTU “response” tonight will be the final nail in Rubio’s “progressive” coffin.

Pork-Chop on February 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

(mo’ better)

Rubio’s pandering, slobbering, bilingual SOTU “response” tonight will be the final nail in Rubio’s his “progressive” coffin.

Pork-Chop on February 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

This headline is misleading. “Until they find out” suggests that the poll respondents change their position after they are told what Obama’s position is.

That’s not how the poll was conducted.

From the linked story:

Seven in 10 people in the survey said they would support a path to citizenship, including 60 percent of Republicans. But when the same question was asked of a separate sample of respondents, this time with Obama’s name attached to it, support dropped to 59 percent overall and just 39 percent among Republicans.

So they’re not asking the same people to evaluate their position on an issue before and after they find out Obama’s position on the issue. They’re asking two separate samples differently worded questions.

That’s not to say that there isn’t some push effect from the “Obama thinks” part of the question to that half of the sample. But the headline does not reflect the completely different samples involved.

Missy on February 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Any amnesty candidates better be penalized for not obeying immigration rules by not being allowed to bring ANY other person into the U.S. You must differentiate between the lawbreakers and the law respecters.

They should be grateful for being allowed to stay. But of course, it’s not about gratitude in this country anymore, it’s about MORE MORE MORE.

disa on February 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Flapjackmaka on February 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I voted for McCain AND Mitt, I WILL vote next time, and I’m not likely to go 3rd party. Next.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Third Party time. No more returning to the husband who beats you.

Decoski on February 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Because he’s like only the best leader EVAH!

CycloneCDB on February 12, 2013 at 5:43 PM

I might support a path to permanent residency. But never a path to citizenship.

steebo77 on February 12, 2013 at 5:43 PM

I support a path to citizenship.

It’s called “back of the line and follow the rules”.

LoganSix on February 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM

repubs should take a copy of Mexico’s immigration laws and add some of them as amendments to any bills being discussed

Ironclad border enforcement
immediate jail if caught in country illegally
no chance of voting even with legal residence
no land ownership within 300 meters of coast

All incentives must be not only removed but made extra criminal if violated. Heck every person that got an illegal Obamaphone should lose all rights to federal benefits as well.

DanMan on February 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

I don’t support anything that gives them the right to vote. Ever.

ctmom on February 12, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Third Party time. No more returning to the husband who beats you.

Decoski on February 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM

If you had said Libertarian Party time or Constitution Party time or even Conservative Party time (which doesn’t exist statewide), you’d sound principled, but saying Third Party time makes you sound like a “I’m taking my ball and going home” guy. Sorry.

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM

but saying Third Party time makes you sound like a “I’m taking my ball and going home” guy. Sorry.

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM

He’s not required to vote for the Democrats.

He’s also not required to vote for the Republicans.

If the Republicans can’t give him a reason to vote for them then he can join the 6 million others who didn’t bother to vote because there is nothing worth voting for.

sharrukin on February 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Just imagine the reports when Palin is elected POTUS in 2016.

Palin 2016

ChuckTX on February 12, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Just imagine the reports when Palin is elected POTUS in 2016.

Palin 2016

ChuckTX on February 12, 2013 at 6:08 PM

If she RUNS, she WINS!

Pork-Chop on February 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

I voted for McCain AND Mitt, I WILL vote next time, and I’m not likely to go 3rd party. Next.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM

I didnt vote for Mittens and I find it hilarious a ton of the self-righteous Mitt voters here are saying they wont vote for Rubio. A guy 100 times more conservative then Mittens.

Flapjackmaka on February 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

No, until they find out obama would be involved. Not the same thing.

Ronnie on February 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Exactly. This is not obstinacy. It’s distrust…needless to say, for good reason. ,

JannyMae on February 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

I didnt vote for Mittens and I find it hilarious a ton of the self-righteous Mitt voters here are saying they wont vote for Rubio. A guy 100 times more conservative then Mittens.

Flapjackmaka on February 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

OMG, that’s hilarious! Thanks for the laughs!

JannyMae on February 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

I don’t support a path to citizenship that runs through the desert or river.

Wigglesworth on February 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

OMG, that’s hilarious! Thanks for the laughs!

JannyMae on February 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

>he thinks Romney is a conservative

Flapjackmaka on February 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

>he thinks Romney is a conservative

Flapjackmaka on February 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

^^ He thinks Rubio is 100 times conservative than Romney. LMAO!

He’s also not terribly bright if he concluded that from what I posted.

JannyMae on February 12, 2013 at 6:30 PM

He’s not required to vote for the Democrats.

He’s also not required to vote for the Republicans.

If the Republicans can’t give him a reason to vote for them then he can join the 6 million others who didn’t bother to vote because there is nothing worth voting for.

sharrukin on February 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

He, you or I are not required to vote for either of them or any of the parties I mentioned. He didn’t mention not voting, he said “Third party time” and I’d like to know which party he is referring to since there is no party called Third Party

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 6:42 PM

On the contrary, his advocacy for gun control has the opposite effect you’d expect, making Republicans ever so slightly warmer to the idea and Democrats slightly colder (albeit within the margin of error).

Allahpundit, are you confusing AWB with immigration “reform”? Dems’ support goes from 60% for AWB without Obama to 76% for AWB with Obama.

NbyNW on February 12, 2013 at 6:52 PM

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Until that Party emerges, be it the Constitution Freedom Party or whatever, Conservatives will know. A bold leader representing it will bring me aboard.

Decoski on February 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

The rest of you keep getting beat up by your betraying spouse, the Republican Party…

Decoski on February 12, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Any amnesty candidates better be penalized for not obeying immigration rules by not being allowed to bring ANY other person into the U.S. You must differentiate between the lawbreakers and the law respecters.

While I respect the intent of this statment, it’s meaningless. Once there is amnesty, those “bring-alongs” don’t NEED to be brought along. They’ll just come on their own and get their own amnesty. That’s why the amnesty-after-penalty ruse is just nonsense designed to get well meaning people suckered into conceding the premise. The only answer is no amnesty. Period.

CapnObvious on February 12, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Until that Party emerges, be it the Constitution Freedom Party or whatever, Conservatives will know. A bold leader representing it will bring me aboard.

Decoski on February 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

A bold and fearless leader, perhaps?

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Not so. On the contrary, his advocacy for gun control has the opposite effect you’d expect, making Republicans ever so slightly warmer to the idea and Democrats slightly colder (albeit within the margin of error).

A difference of one percent is a difference of one percent. Here’s it an imperceptible difference. Nothing changed between the two.

Myron Falwell on February 12, 2013 at 7:48 PM

If you had said Libertarian Party time or Constitution Party time or even Conservative Party time (which doesn’t exist statewide), you’d sound principled, but saying Third Party time makes you sound like a “I’m taking my ball and going home” guy. Sorry.

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Establishment scum like Karl Rove are overtly acting that way. They don’t want to win, and when they lose, they blame conservatives when they should be looking in the mirror.

Myron Falwell on February 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Poll: Republicans support path to citizenship for illegals — until they find out Obama supports it too

I opposed it before I found out that Teh Won favored it. Opposing his position is just…gravy.

Physics Geek on February 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Republicans support path to citizenship for illegals

I support a path to citizenship for illegals:

Go home
Get in line
Wait your fluking turn, like my grandparents did.

Voila, citizenship.

Rogue on February 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Establishment scum like Karl Rove are overtly acting that way. They don’t want to win, and when they lose, they blame conservatives when they should be looking in the mirror.

Myron Falwell on February 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Karl Rove has been accused of many things, some truer than others. But it is absurd to accuse him of not wanting to win; if anything, his public persona is a man who wishes to win at all costs.

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Karl Rove has been accused of many things, some truer than others. But it is absurd to accuse him of not wanting to win; if anything, his public persona is a man who wishes to win at all costs.

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

American Crossroads’ abysmal track record this past election cycle would suggest otherwise.

Myron Falwell on February 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Why that would be the low info republican voters knee-jerking to anything from the other side without knowing why. Quick! Anybody have any breadballs? Feeding time.

AH_C on February 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM

American Crossroads’ abysmal track record this past election cycle would suggest otherwise.

Myron Falwell on February 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM

So he wanted to lose? What would that gain him? He diminished his influence, his brand, so to speak, with the loses so I don’t understand why he would want that; I still don’t follow your logic.

thebrokenrattle on February 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Rubio’s pandering, slobbering, bilingual SOTU “response” tonight will be the final nail in Rubio’s “progressive” coffin.

Pork-Chop on February 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

I didn’t see any slobber dripping down from that cottonmouth.

sartana on February 12, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Our Legally Adopted and Naturalized children (who are old enough to vote next time) are 100% Against amnesty and so are we.

sherrimae on February 12, 2013 at 11:53 PM