Pew poll: 58% of Democrats agree with Dick Cheney on Obama’s drone strikes
posted at 10:49 am on February 12, 2013 by Allahpundit
I’m trying to be charitable and assume that a lot of this is explainable on the merits, that Democrats have looked at O’s admittedly stellar record of taking out AQ operatives with drones and concluded that it’s the least bad option available in eliminating terrorists before they eliminate towers full of American office workers. But note: Democrats now support drone strikes (58 percent) more than independents do (50 percent), which is not a result you’d expect if you looked at any polls on the war on terror taken from, say, 2005 through 2008. Back then it was Republicans who were reliably the most hawkish group (and still are, with 68 percent support for drones today), then indies, and then of course the vehemently anti-war left. Somehow, despite O having famously liquidated an American citizen turned AQ capo in Anwar al-Awlaki and then inadvertently liquidated Awlaki’s teenaged American-citizen son in a strike aimed at a different jihadi, that same anti-war left is now less anti-war than unaffiliateds are. What do you suppose accounts for their awakening? It couldn’t be that Glenn Greenwald’s right that a significant swath of them are overtly unprincipled hacks who were never vehemently anti-war so much as vehemently anti-Bush, could it?
Interestingly, despite the heavy media coverage this past week of the White House’s “white paper” justifying strikes on American citizens, there’s now more support for drones (56/26) than there was last July (55/34). I’m not sure how to explain that except to think that there’s some chunk of voters in O’s base who’ve never given much thought to the issue, were happy to reflexively oppose it in the past on grounds that aggressive counterterrorism is really a “neocon” thing or whatever, and now are just as happy to reflexively embrace it upon having discovered that it carries the Hopenchange seal of approval. A notable data set:

That GOP/Dem split on endangering civilians is interesting, but more on that in a minute. The other line that jumps out is the one on legality: Even among Democrats, who shrieked about the Geneva conventions and international law for the better part of a decade vis-a-vis Bush’s interrogation program, you can’t do better than a third who say they’re very concerned about whether drone strikes are legal. Apparently most lefties are prepared to fight dirty to degrade Al Qaeda provided it’s one of their guys whose finger is ultimately on the trigger. As for that partisan split on endangering civilians, this is useful:

Part of the reason why Republicans are more willing to risk civilian casualties in drone strikes is likely because men generally are more willing to risk civilian casualties in drone strikes and right now the GOP skews a bit male. That’s not the whole reason — clearly there are partisan philosophical differences about how much the presence of civilians should deter a strike against a prized jihadi target — but it’s curious to me that you could have 58 percent support among Democrats for drones when you have 65 percent saying they’re “very concerned” about civilians being hit. Either that shows a lot of trust in Obama to hit the bullseye exactly, with little fear of collateral damage actually occurring, or else Dems are simply telling the pollster what they think they’re supposed to say. They’re “anti-war,” right? They’re virtuous progressives. Of course they’re “very concerned” about civilians. Now, get those birds back in the air and start firing.
Here’s Darth Vader, the font of all evil to liberals, twisting the knife by agreeing with them.
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lolz..Good deal!..Let’s pass it on to our children and we will have completed the circle..:)
Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 AM
Thanks for the link friend..:)
Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:47 AM
Goodnight, Dire!
John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 AM
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Moscow Shaker:
Carry On,…….Night once again Patriots:)
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canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 2:50 AM
It has been my honor..Good night..:)
Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 3:06 AM
Bureaucrats NEVER unilaterally undertake illegal, politically explosive operations.
The day before the IRS started attacking Americans in a bid to deny them their 1st amendment rights, Obama met at the WH with the rabidly anti-Tea Party president of the National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley. Kelley’s Union has inordinate influence within the IRS. Their meeting was not coincidental. They did not meet to exchange recipes…
The organization True the Vote was attacked by the IRS, FBI, ATF and OSHA. That degree of coordination comes from the WH. True the Vote is a Texas based organization seeking non-profit status. It’s focus is voter verification. It’s founder worked at voting stations and was appalled at the amount of voter fraud she witnessed in 2009.
True the Vote was targeted because it threatened to derail attainment of the left’s goal; Texas’ electoral college votes moving into the democrat column would guarantee effective one-party rule in America. This bid to deny American’s their 1st amendment rights came straight from Obama. Only ideological apologists and the willfully obtuse can deny it. Obama’s handprints are all over the greatest political scandal in American history.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 4:27 AM
MUST-SEE VIDEO AT BREITBART:
Wow… Just. Effin’. Wow.
<a href="http://“>Senator Obama calls for the Attorney General to step down
PointnClick on May 24, 2013 at 5:28 AM
Crap… Messed up the link on my Pad…
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/05/23/Obama-07-An-Attorney-General-Should-Not-Be-Carrying-Out-Political-Vendettas-Of-the-President#
PointnClick on May 24, 2013 at 5:33 AM
good morning HA crew!
hope all is well for our HA family in seattle, wow just heard about the bridge collapse on I5….
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM
Happy Friday, fave morning person!
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM
Obama’s previously unreported speech:
Good evening fellow travelers. Allah be with you all. Jihad is working, my Muslim brothers and sisters. We need a little more time. We have three and a half years. The national debt of the Great Satan is growing. By the end of my term America will be on her knees. We are counterfeiting American currency as fast as we can. Future generations of the Infidel will be weak and broken. Allah Akbar. Death to America. I am doing my best with Marxism. There is resistance. Well, there is no resistance from the Democrats–not surprising. We are dumbing down the children of the Infidel as fast as we can. We have full control of the public schools. We have the media. We have Hollywood. We have the unions. We are in control. America will be dead in ten years. Allah is smiling on us.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM
aw shucks
morning Liam :)
so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM
+1
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:40 AM
Whatever it is, it’s going to suck. Liberals can’t be any other way.
Hey — Did you see the Weiner thread? If you want a long laugh, the puns were flying! I bookmarked it.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM
when dear leader makes eric holder investigate eric holder something is seriously wrong….will the lsm actually question this or just let it go with dear leader is showing leadership, he’s awesome!
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM
i did….as Ed said Drudge won the day for internet headlines…
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM
Much the same way as a pothead saying, “I took an awesome sh*t this morning!”
Sorry that I’m not impressed.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM
nyt praising dear leader’s terrorism speech…it was awesome, one of his best and the mj crew agrees natch
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM
yup
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM
Our fellows, with all their puns, had me in stitches for more than an hour. I’m a fiend for puns, and they had me laughing so hard I could barely type.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM
:) HA rocks!!
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM
To be sure!
Except for the trolls.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Happy Friday, y’all!
Lt. Col. Allen West
Obama Runs the Ol’ Bait ‘n Switch “Oh, Look…Squirrel!” My take.
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM
great take KJ :)
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM
Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again? He’ll never expect it!
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM
mj crew following the squirrel this am KJ..only wants to talk about his speech…most important speech evah!!
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM
Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again. He’ll never expect it!
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:03 AM
can’t this weekend…family stuff going on
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:04 AM
Too bad Caesar’s Resorts no longer exist.
Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM
Lois Lerner, the lying Christian-hating whore, got put on paid administrative leave yesterday so it isn’t that. Nevertheless, my money is on some nagging little detail about the IRS using their authority to smite the enemies of the rat-eared coward.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM
joe is giddy, ‘this president has changed the structure on the war on terror’
oh yeah kj, they definitely have their squirrel…
Allah, it was a distraction that lasted more than 7 hours my friend….
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM
:)
good one…
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM
Thank you, ma’am!
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM
well that was quick…all the hemming and hawing over dear leader’s actions has turned back to a lovefest for him by the lsm…
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:28 AM
This is garbage. The Journolisters are defending The Magnificent One. Of Course the Chief Executive is responsible. Suddenly IRS, Justice and WH are losing memory.
Is someone telling me that when Bengazhi was happening, Presedent wasn’t aware. Heck… State was watching it Live.
Keep drilling.
Bengazhi is the biggest Scandal.
antisocial on May 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM
i guess that little meeting at the wh with the lib press worked…
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM
You know its really bad news when the Friday News Dump starts on a Thursday or Wednesday… it’s been doing that for three weeks now.
And for the Special Prosecutor deal… well there is a true oversight function by Congress and it is a two-part affair. First is to find out what is going on in agencies and departments. You have to get to the bottom of things and find out what the problem is.
Part two is changing laws and budgets, with the former being the fastest and most effective as you can start axing entire sections of agencies and departments by not funding them and cutting personnel right out of the budget. If the R’s were smart and went back to the right way to budget, that is by agency or department, then this would be a precise tool to cut out rot and cancer in the government. Instead the multi-agency slush fund approach means that agencies can shift resources between themselves in the slush fund to make up for mandated losses in cash. The personnel part, however, hits no matter what. Congress can start out by saying that for every ‘I don’t know’ or ‘I can’t recall’ or ‘I only became aware of it last week’ they can cut 1% of the budget and personnel from an agency and for every 5th taken that is a 5% reduction: these people are supposed to answer questions to Congress about how they are carrying out the laws MADE by Congress. If the culture is one of deception, then the funding should start to dry up and hard.
Since the House starts the budget and has the purse strings, then that is where it must start and even with the Reidless non-budget agencies and departments look to the House for how they are to use funds. The problem now is Boehner and the House leadership being unwilling to do the hard work of by agency and department funding… which he promised to do leading into 2010 and then dropped the ball on the moment there was a Republican majority. If you want specific powers and functions cut off the place to start is the House and there the Democratic and Republican leadership are unwilling to do that. Once Upon A Time the US Congress used to be jealous of the power it held and keep everyone on a tight leash in the government. This is what happens when they get lazy and try to get the Executive to do their jobs for them.
These Congresscritters VOLUNTEER for their jobs and now seek to excuse not doing it via the abuse of power they have delegated improperly. Even to the dim bulbs lacking enough wattage to even get a glow in their heads, this needs to be stated directly to them: you wanted this job now DO IT AS YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO or QUIT and let the people find someone who is CAPABLE OF DOING IT.
ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM
well said aj
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:47 AM
The dumbest coming out of our journalism schools do like to project, don’t they?
MNHawk on May 24, 2013 at 8:21 AM
Interesting post. I found it through a link at Physics Geek’s website:
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/05/18/is-the-irs-scandal-the-worst-political-scandal-in-american-history-i-say-yes/
Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 9:32 AM
Whenever you change the founding principles of an organization you announce it’s doom!
RedLizard64 on May 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM
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