Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

A majority of voters believe President Obama has been no better than his immediate predecessor, President George W. Bush, when it comes to balancing national security with the protection of civil liberties, according to a new poll for The Hill.

Thirty-seven percent of voters argue that Obama has been worse than Bush while 15 percent say he has been “about the same.”

The results cannot be fully explained as party line responses. More than one in five self-identified Democrats, 21 percent, assert that the Obama administration has not improved upon Bush’s record. So do 23 percent of liberals.

The results are especially striking given the liberal hopes that attended Obama’s election, the opprobrium he heaped upon Bush’s national security policies during the 2008 campaign and his early promise to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.

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The cases cited by the white paper provide no precedent for the idea that due process could be satisfied by some secret, internal process within the executive branch — not that any such process is even mentioned. The reason they don’t is obvious: There is no such precedent. Never, to my knowledge, in the history of due process jurisprudence, has a court said that a neutral decision maker wasn’t necessary. And as Justice Felix Frankfurter wrote in language cited in the Mathews case, “the essence of due process is the requirement that a person in jeopardy of serious loss [be given] notice of the case against him and opportunity to meet it.”…

The Obama administration’s apparent belief that due process can be satisfied in secret inside the executive branch is arguably a greater departure from precedent. It is a travesty of the very notion of due process. And to borrow a phrase from Justice Robert Jackson, it will now lie about like a loaded weapon ready for the hand of any administration that needs it.

The white paper should have said that due process doesn’t apply on the battlefield. By instead making due process into a rubber stamp, the administration is ignoring precedent and subverting the idea of the rule of law. When is some law worse than none? When that law is so watered down that it loses the meaning it has had for 800 years.

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The specifics of the drone program have been carefully shielded at every turn. In January a federal judge ruled against The New York Times in its effort to compel the Justice Department to disclose the memo that provided the legal justification for the targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, a United States citizen who died in a drone strike in Yemen in 2011, without any due process of law. (The death of an American at the other end of a drone seemed to prompt a new level of interest and scrutiny by the news media.)

Even though the judge, Colleen McMahon, ruled in the government’s favor, she did not sound very happy about it.

“I can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the executive branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret,” she wrote, adding, “The Alice-in-Wonderland nature of this pronouncement is not lost on me.”

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The confluence of these debates suggests the ways Mr. Obama is willing to emulate Mr. Bush and the ways he is not. In effect, Mr. Obama relies on his predecessor’s aggressive approach in one area to avoid Mr. Bush’s even more aggressive approach in others. By emphasizing drone strikes, Mr. Obama need not bother with the tricky issues of detention and interrogation because terrorists tracked down on his watch are generally incinerated from the sky, not captured and questioned. By dispensing with concerns about due process, he avoids a more traditional war that he fears could lead to American boots on the ground…

“That memo coming out, I think, was a wake-up call,” said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel of the American Civil Liberties Union. “These last few days, it was like being back in the Bush days.”

“It’s causing a lot of cognitive dissonance for a lot of people,” he added. “It’s not the President Obama they thought they knew.”…

“We trust the president,” former Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan said on Current TV. “And if this was Bush, I think that we would all be more up in arms because we wouldn’t trust that he would strike in a very targeted way and try to minimize damage rather than contain collateral damage.”

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“I support President Obama’s drone attacks. And I admit that I’m a hypocrite. If a republican administration were executing these practices, I’d probably join the chorus to condemn them as unconstitutional, authoritarian or worse. But I trust this president’s judgment that the drones are a legitimate way to take out terrorists who would–if they could–kill thousands of Americans. He’s making a trade-off, knowing that a successful massive terrorist attack against us would result in far greater damage to our democratic institutions.”

I think this is probably the most honest defense of the program you’ll hear from liberals. They trust President Obama to wield broad, lethal executive authority with care and prudence. And besides: it’s war, would you rather, I am often asked by supporters of the kill list, that we have boots on the ground, big expensive, destructive deadly disastrous land invasions of countries like the Iraq war? Isn’t the move from wars like Iraq to “surgical strikes” in Yemen precisely the kind of change we were promised?

This narrow choice between big violence and smaller violence shows, I think, just how fully we have all implicitly adopted the conceptual framework of the War on Terror, how much George W. Bush’s advisers continue to set the terms of our thinking years after they’d been dispatched from office.

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Progressive willingness to acquiesce to or even outright support Obama’s radical policies – in the name of partisan loyalty – is precisely what ensures the continuation of those policies. Obama gets away with all of this because so many progressives venerate leader loyalty and partisan gain above all else.

What’s most remarkable about this willingness to endorse extremist policies because you “trust” the current leader exercising them is how painfully illogical it is, and how violently contrary it is to everything Americans are taught from childhood about their country. It should not be difficult to comprehend that there is no such thing as vesting a Democratic President with Power X but not vesting a GOP President with the same power. To endorse a power in the hands of a leader you like is, necessarily, to endorse the power in the hands of a leader you dislike…

This is not just basic American political history. It’s basic human nature. And the greater the power is – and there is no greater power than targeting citizens for execution – the more urgent those principles are. Watching progressive media figures outright admit that trust in Barack Obama as Leader guides their unprincipled political arguments is only slightly more jarring than watching them embrace that mentality while pretending they’re not. Whatever else is true, watching the political movement that spent years marching behind the banner of “due process” and “restraints on presidential power” and “our Constitutional values” now explicitly defend the most radical policy yet justified by the “war on terror” – all because it’s their leader doing it – is as nauseating as it is dangerous.

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Pope!

steebo77 on February 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Chris Kyle RIP

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Evening

KCB…dittos

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Progressive.

Nice! :)

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Happy Birthday Sarah!!! Just let me know when you can swing by to pick up your presents. Or I can head your way. Your choice. ; )

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Happy Birthday Sarah. Thanks for the reminder B! I know she reads us!

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Un Pope.

Rusty Allen on February 11, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Hi CoffeeLover.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Chris Kyle RIP

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Yep.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 10:47 PM

“We trust the president,” former Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan said on Current TV. “And if this was Bush, I think that we would all be more up in arms because we wouldn’t trust that he would strike in a very targeted way and try to minimize damage rather than contain collateral damage.”

Obama, the clean and articulate assassin.

fogw on February 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Sources said an unimpressed Janet “Barbecue” Reno scoffed :

“What’s the thrill in killing ‘em if they don’t see it coming?”

viking01 on February 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I know the drone thing is finally getting play, and it should. I just don’t feel like five pages of posts going over the same hypocrisy, you know?

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Happy Birthday, Sarah!

Mirimichi on February 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

“I support President Obama’s drone attacks. And I admit that I’m a hypocrite. If a republican administration were executing these practices, I’d probably join the chorus to condemn them as unconstitutional, authoritarian or worse. But I trust this president’s judgment that the drones are a legitimate way to take out terrorists who would–if they could–kill thousands of Americans. He’s making a trade-off, knowing that a successful massive terrorist attack against us would result in far greater damage to our democratic institutions.”

I think this is probably the most honest defense of the program you’ll hear from liberals . . .

I appreciate the honesty. And your self-assessment is valid: you are being hypocritical.

A good king is a wonderful thing. A bad king is a misery. We forgo good kings to avoid bad kings. We are a nation of laws, not of men, so we can establish the boundaries we want to operate within no matter who is in authority.

Why can’t your progressive mind understand this?

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Wise words. Hello Axe.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM

I know the drone thing is finally getting play, and it should. I just don’t feel like five pages of posts going over the same hypocrisy, you know?

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Take a break. :)

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM

RIP, Chief Kyle.

Rusty Allen on February 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Felix Frankfurter wrote in language cited in the Mathews case, “the essence of due process is the requirement that a person in jeopardy of serious loss [be given] notice of the case against him and opportunity to meet it.”…

I wonder if Felix Frankfurter knows Oscar Meyer.

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Wise words. Hello Axe.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Evening, KCB, frequently referred to as Ken, a cowboy from over yonder. :)

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Happy birthday, gov. Hottie.

Rusty Allen on February 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Happy birthday Governer Palin!

idesign on February 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Why can’t your progressive mind understand this?

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Genes?

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Happy un-pope day.

Rusty Allen on February 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM

A lot of people trusted Hitler, too.

OldEnglish on February 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

4.9 Mag Earthquake in No. Korea Jennifer Griffin is reporting that that the size of the quake is similar to what registers when N. Korea does one of their tests. So we don’t know if it’s a man-made earthquake or a natural one.

Yep, we are really going to get a “peace” dividend out of ending our wars.

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM

True. I won’t get into the nuts and bolts tonight. Been reading more about Benghazi. More about Brennan. These people are evil, not incompetent. Never really wanted to believe it. But I do.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I sure would like to paint up one of these drones.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 10:58 PM

so many progressives venerate leader loyalty and partisan gain above all else.

This is why they keep winning and we keep losing. Are you listening, Karl Rove?

Jackalope on February 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Genes?

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM

It’s intense. I don’t get it. He really can’t. Things a little kid can learn — they never learn it. It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat it. You can diagram it, explain it, build models . . . It’s scary.

“Don’t put that in there. Bobby — don’t stick that in the socket. Bobby — I’m serious — don’t stick that in the socket, Bobby. Bobby . . . Bobby!”

*bzzt*

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Obama, the clean and articulate assassin.

fogw on February 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Some scary shiite right there, the way that libs just gloss over the fact that Bark can be just as much a fallible human as anyone else.

This is Hitler/Jim Jones-type trust, these people are throwing all of us to the wolves because Dog Eater is a member of “their” political party.

Bishop on February 11, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Happy birthday Governer Palin!

idesign on February 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Yes HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO A GREAT AMERICAN…

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 11:00 PM

First I’d paint one up for Dire. I think y’all can probably envision what it would look like. No need to elaborate on that one. Be good for the Psi-ops part of all this too. Two birds?

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

I know. It just is I guess. : (

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Hi Sparky!

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:02 PM

I sure would like to paint up one of these drones.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 10:58 Pm

WHIRLIGIG DRONe?

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Good evening Bishop.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Tonight’s cold and weird. My heart’s with Ken’s. I’m be off wrapping up some loose threads. I’m going full pistol-shrimp for awhile and let my insides rest.

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM

This is Hitler/Jim Jones-type trust, these people are throwing all of us to the wolves because Dog Eater is a member of “their” political party.

Bishop on February 11, 2013 at 11:00 PM

They can’t even see the wolves are wolves.

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Later. ; )

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Resist We Much on February 11, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Hey Lady! Funny toon.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Yo Ken, hope you had a calamity free day. I avoided calamities today because i put that on my todo list.

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 11:07 PM

The white paper should have said that due process doesn’t apply on the battlefield. By instead making due process into a rubber stamp, the administration is ignoring precedent and subverting the idea of the rule of law. When is some law worse than none? When that law is so watered down that it loses the meaning it has had for 800 years.

Sadly, this is what passes for Constitutional scholarship these days.

Remember that every Union soldier who shot at a Confederate soldier knew he was shooting at a fellow countryman. Due process goes by the wayside in wartime — especially when a citizen has taken up arms against his own country.

A few days ago, everyone was enraged over the death of a 16 year old American citizen. Well, here’s the skinny from none other than Time Magazine, liberal mouthpiece par excellance:

A U.S. official said the young man “was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” and that the U.S. was trying to kill a legitimate terrorist — al-Qaeda leader Ibrahim al-Banna, who also died — in the strike that apparently killed the American teenager.

Abdulrahman’s distraught grandfather is not buying the explanation. Nasser al-Awlaki, who received a university degree in the U.S., had for years sought an injunction in American courts to prevent the Obama Administration from targeting and killing his son, Anwar. He told TIME, “I really feel disappointed that this crime is going to be forgotten. I think the American people ought to know what really happened and how the power of their government is being abused by this Administration. Americans should start asking why a boy was targeted for killing.” He continued, “In addition to my grandson’s killing, the missile killed my brother’s grandson, who was a 17-year-old kid, who was not an American citizen but is a human being, killed in cold blood. I cannot comprehend how my teenage grandson was killed by a Hellfire missile, how nothing was left of him except small pieces of flesh. Why? Is America safer now that a boy was killed?

The answer is, in this case, yes, given that Ibrahim al-Banna was the target. Grandpa could have taken in his grandson and steered him away from the war zone, but given that his grandson chose to travel into the war zone in the company of a known terrorist — well, there it is in all of its Darwinian glory.

There’s the 800 years of jurisprudence which should be used in place of whatever “We are allowed to do whatever we want because we are the most transparent Administration evah!” tripe Obama’s boys are putting out.

unclesmrgol on February 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM

I avoided calamities today because i put that on my todo list.

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 11:07 PM

LOL

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Sparky, it was kinda slow. I really just wasted time.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:10 PM

So, has Chris Dorner been deemed a domestic terrorist yet..?

d1carter on February 11, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Is everyone saving up for tomorrow night?

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:14 PM

hi everyone I’m talking and my phone is typing this message it’s really fast and made no mistakes.

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Good Lord… 44% of the repsondents to that poll by The Hill think Obama is BETTER than Bush atbalancing national security with civil rights, considering Obama’s incompetence on both?

malclave on February 11, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Whooooooooo!

Rusty Allen on February 11, 2013 at 11:16 PM

So, has Chris Dorner been deemed a domestic terrorist yet..?

d1carter on February 11, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Nope, because Dorner is…well…you know…black.

Only rural whiteys clinging to their guns can be domestic terrorists (DHS Handbook, page 17, paragraph 4).

Bishop on February 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

for real SparkPlug. Is that a new ap or something?

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

it’s really not fair that wolves get to wear sheep’s clothing.

To scare them away sheep should wear wolfs clothing.

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Hah, how ironic. Will Obama be taken out by his own drone program?

John the Libertarian on February 11, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Is everyone saving up for tomorrow night?

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:14 PM

…MSU and U of M play basketball!…sorry for JugEars!
…MKH is on BOR btw…she’s looking hawt!

KOOLAID2 on February 11, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Pope!

steebo77 on February 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Well done.

John the Libertarian on February 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Slow, night… Come on Detroit, it’s almost Tuesday.

Rusty Allen on February 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

What Dire’s Drone might look like. The little kill smileys are my favorite.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Chris Kyle RIP

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

It was both a beautiful and sad Memorial today. A 200 mile funeral procession begins tomorrow morning. The route will include military personnel, first responders and Patriot Guard Riders to Austin, Texas. He will be buried at the Texas State Cemetery.

RIP American Warrior

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Koolaid….I always feel sorry for her having to have Juan Williams to be the counterpoint!

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Bringing death with a smile. Could be his tagline.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:32 PM

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

no it’s not a new app it’s part of jelly bean,the latest version of Android. it’s called Google Voice typing.I did not type this sentence I spoke and it transcribes it. It did not require any calibration. Kind of amazing.

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Bmore on February 11, 2013

…was busy at work today and didn’t get on…so am catching up…you got a little business on the towel head thread! (:->)
…that squatingass is a piece of work!

KOOLAID2 on February 11, 2013 at 11:34 PM

I am not a techie here. But that certainly is awesome. I recall some yrs back a friend’s cardiologist cousin had a computer program he had to train to recognize his voice so that he could dictate into the computer patient notes.

Seems the technology has come a long way.

thanks for the info. I am now guessing that this is the competition to Apple?

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

I wanted to go but the funeral is closed to the public.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 11, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Try as I might, I just kept getting interrupted. I really wanted to have that conversation. Neither of them wanted to answer even a simple question. They sure were full of them though. ; )

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Why can’t your progressive mind understand this?

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM


At long last, I think I have found the answer to this question!

Dunning-Kruger effect

The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when incompetent people not only fail to realise their incompetence, but consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. Basically, they’re too stupid to know that they’re stupid.

If you have no doubts whatsoever about your brilliance, you could just be that damn good. On the other hand…
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

This covers soooooo much of the liberal mind discussions we have had.

PolAgnostic on February 11, 2013 at 11:38 PM

True. I won’t get into the nuts and bolts tonight. Been reading more about Benghazi. More about Brennan. These people are evil, not incompetent. Never really wanted to believe it. But I do.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 10:57 PM

If you’ve been reading about Brennan, hope you didn’t miss this.
Video included, but rather long. May want to bookmark it for later.

http://www.therightscoop.com/shocking-new-claim-john-brennan-converted-to-islam/

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:38 PM

The funny thing is that I yawned last night and my phone turned on and thought I wanted to give it a voice command. The damn thing asked me a question. Lol

SparkPlug on February 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM

. I am now guessing that this is the competition to Apple?

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I thought it was apple.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Progressive willingness to acquiesce to or even outright support Obama’s radical policies – in the name of partisan loyalty – is precisely what ensures the continuation of those policies. Obama gets away with all of this because so many progressives venerate leader loyalty and partisan gain above all else.

They know he has the same goal they do, so of course they don’t object.

Whatever else is true, watching the political movement that spent years marching behind the banner of “due process” and “restraints on presidential power” and “our Constitutional values” now explicitly defend the most radical policy yet justified by the “war on terror” – all because it’s their leader doing it – is as nauseating as it is dangerous.

This writer, Glenn Greenwald, seems unaware of exactly who progressives are and how they think.

Those banners were a means to the end. They didn’t believe in any of those slogans. Their intent is the same as Obama’s—they want to transform America into a socialist collective.

INC on February 11, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Bmore…I thought Android was the competition! (Everything but Apple!)

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:43 PM

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

I wanted to go but the funeral is closed to the public.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I think I did read that. This site had the best coverage and have 5 Parts up in case anyone didn’t get to see it.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/chris-kyle-memorial-cowboys-stadium-arlington-sniper-190711481.html

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:44 PM

A good king is a wonderful thing. A bad king is a misery. We forgo good kings to avoid bad kings. …

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Mosiah 23:8
Nevertheless, if it were possible that ye could always have just men to be your kings it would be well for you to have a king.

(From the Book of Mormon, when King Mosiah’s sons refused to follow him and he established a government of elected judges.)

Even if you think Joseph Smith just made it all up, it’s still good advice.

AesopFan on February 11, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Bmore…I thought Android was the competition! (Everything but Apple!)

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:43 PM

I guess they are all running those apps now.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:46 PM

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Yes I read that. I would like corroboration. Still, I so remember reports of Muslim Bro hood getting access. Getting nervous.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:48 PM

What Dire’s Drone might look like. The little kill smileys are my favorite.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM

LOL

Dire was having computer problems last night. He was going to post back when solved, but haven’t seen him yet. Hope he got them fixed.

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Thank God for some favors. Jennifer Granholm can not be president of the US, not yet anyway. Cows can’t run.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM

What happened to our women? Axe, how is security?

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Bmore…I thought Android was the competition! (Everything but Apple!)

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:43 PM

I guess they are all running those apps now.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Not sure Bmore but that is how I differentiate between Apple products and the rest of them. From what I am reading, the competition is beginning to make inroads against Apple. I still do have friends that continue to swear by Apple products.

lol I am a brand buyer for the most part…Campbell’s soup, Cheerios, etc. so I understand the loyalty.

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Yes I read that. I would like corroboration. Still, I so remember reports of Muslim Bro hood getting access. Getting nervous.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:48 PM

I watched the video and a couple of other videos on youtube of him speaking. With everything he has said himself it appears that makes the RS video/interview more believable imo. Why would that guy appear and say that if not true? Risky isn’t the word for it.
He also has a lot of credibility it seems.

Maybe something more will come out. Not good times, that’s for sure.

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM

senate is busy with Hagel. He will likely get by unless there is a surge in testicular fortitude. Not counting on it.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:56 PM

What happened to our women? Axe, how is security?

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

The doors aren’t locked, if that’s what you mean. :) If you mean they’ve been carried away –

BWAHAHAHA

– I pitty da foo.

Resist is just off being Awesome and Amazing; maybe at an AA meeting or something. Jackie’s off being Amazing and Intoxicating or something; she’s an AI. Grace doesn’t get here till the witching hour (no questions) –

Scrumpy might be in jail again . . .

I dunno. Just a quiet night. :)

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:56 PM

(From the Book of Mormon, when King Mosiah’s sons refused to follow him and he established a government of elected judges.)

Even if you think Joseph Smith just made it all up, it’s still good advice.

AesopFan on February 11, 2013 at 11:45 PM

That’s interesting. Thank you. :)

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:57 PM

AesopFan on February 11, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Well, in the Old Testament the people wanted a king. Samuel told them God was their King. But they wanted an earthly king like the other nations had. Samuel tried to warn them, but they insisted, so they were given King Saul. Didn’t work out too well. They weren’t satisfied and they had the BEST.

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:58 PM

*INC’s up there. She’s an on-topic lady, but . . . no one is perfect. :)

Besides; you are probably all chicks anyway.

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:52 PM

I’m not very brand loyal. Have just always been a mac guy. I will say this, mac seem much user friendly the few times I have had to deal in pc.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:56 PM

You are supposed to watch them!! You know how much trouble they can find. Anybody have bail money?

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM

senate is busy with Hagel. He will likely get by unless there is a surge in testicular fortitude. Not counting on it.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Isn’t that the truth and I agree despite Graham making noises.

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Sorry.

Bmore on February 12, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Jackie?? You there?

KCB on February 12, 2013 at 12:01 AM

CoffeeLover on February 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM

I like the noises he is making. I don’t trust him to follow up.

KCB on February 12, 2013 at 12:03 AM

KCB I don’t either.

CoffeeLover on February 12, 2013 at 12:04 AM

good evening…

SWalker on February 12, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Now Axe is gone….

KCB on February 12, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Besides; you are probably all chicks anyway.

Axe on February 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM

How about a tune? I posted it on the Valor thread. Hanging out with the boys.

Bmore on February 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

bluefox on February 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM

senate is busy with Hagel. He will likely get by unless there is a surge in testicular fortitude. Not counting on it.

KCB on February 11, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Well, the way I look at it Congress for the most part are the Boomtown gang. They know much more than we do and if we can see that whether it’s Hagel/Kerry/Brennan, they will do as they are told. Just like SOS Clinton. All yes people to carry out Obama’s orders.

Yes, it would be better if there were some opposition if some would have that fortitude as you say, but I haven’t seen any. At least not any of our guys that have the power.

bluefox on February 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Sparky, can you find Axe?

KCB on February 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

I was gonna save it for our bud Marsh Fox.

Bmore on February 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Hi Walker.

KCB on February 12, 2013 at 12:06 AM

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