Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

A majority of voters believe President Obama has been no better than his immediate predecessor, President George W. Bush, when it comes to balancing national security with the protection of civil liberties, according to a new poll for The Hill.

Thirty-seven percent of voters argue that Obama has been worse than Bush while 15 percent say he has been “about the same.”

The results cannot be fully explained as party line responses. More than one in five self-identified Democrats, 21 percent, assert that the Obama administration has not improved upon Bush’s record. So do 23 percent of liberals.

The results are especially striking given the liberal hopes that attended Obama’s election, the opprobrium he heaped upon Bush’s national security policies during the 2008 campaign and his early promise to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.

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The cases cited by the white paper provide no precedent for the idea that due process could be satisfied by some secret, internal process within the executive branch — not that any such process is even mentioned. The reason they don’t is obvious: There is no such precedent. Never, to my knowledge, in the history of due process jurisprudence, has a court said that a neutral decision maker wasn’t necessary. And as Justice Felix Frankfurter wrote in language cited in the Mathews case, “the essence of due process is the requirement that a person in jeopardy of serious loss [be given] notice of the case against him and opportunity to meet it.”…

The Obama administration’s apparent belief that due process can be satisfied in secret inside the executive branch is arguably a greater departure from precedent. It is a travesty of the very notion of due process. And to borrow a phrase from Justice Robert Jackson, it will now lie about like a loaded weapon ready for the hand of any administration that needs it.

The white paper should have said that due process doesn’t apply on the battlefield. By instead making due process into a rubber stamp, the administration is ignoring precedent and subverting the idea of the rule of law. When is some law worse than none? When that law is so watered down that it loses the meaning it has had for 800 years.

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The specifics of the drone program have been carefully shielded at every turn. In January a federal judge ruled against The New York Times in its effort to compel the Justice Department to disclose the memo that provided the legal justification for the targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, a United States citizen who died in a drone strike in Yemen in 2011, without any due process of law. (The death of an American at the other end of a drone seemed to prompt a new level of interest and scrutiny by the news media.)

Even though the judge, Colleen McMahon, ruled in the government’s favor, she did not sound very happy about it.

“I can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the executive branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret,” she wrote, adding, “The Alice-in-Wonderland nature of this pronouncement is not lost on me.”

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The confluence of these debates suggests the ways Mr. Obama is willing to emulate Mr. Bush and the ways he is not. In effect, Mr. Obama relies on his predecessor’s aggressive approach in one area to avoid Mr. Bush’s even more aggressive approach in others. By emphasizing drone strikes, Mr. Obama need not bother with the tricky issues of detention and interrogation because terrorists tracked down on his watch are generally incinerated from the sky, not captured and questioned. By dispensing with concerns about due process, he avoids a more traditional war that he fears could lead to American boots on the ground…

“That memo coming out, I think, was a wake-up call,” said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel of the American Civil Liberties Union. “These last few days, it was like being back in the Bush days.”

“It’s causing a lot of cognitive dissonance for a lot of people,” he added. “It’s not the President Obama they thought they knew.”…

“We trust the president,” former Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan said on Current TV. “And if this was Bush, I think that we would all be more up in arms because we wouldn’t trust that he would strike in a very targeted way and try to minimize damage rather than contain collateral damage.”

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“I support President Obama’s drone attacks. And I admit that I’m a hypocrite. If a republican administration were executing these practices, I’d probably join the chorus to condemn them as unconstitutional, authoritarian or worse. But I trust this president’s judgment that the drones are a legitimate way to take out terrorists who would–if they could–kill thousands of Americans. He’s making a trade-off, knowing that a successful massive terrorist attack against us would result in far greater damage to our democratic institutions.”

I think this is probably the most honest defense of the program you’ll hear from liberals. They trust President Obama to wield broad, lethal executive authority with care and prudence. And besides: it’s war, would you rather, I am often asked by supporters of the kill list, that we have boots on the ground, big expensive, destructive deadly disastrous land invasions of countries like the Iraq war? Isn’t the move from wars like Iraq to “surgical strikes” in Yemen precisely the kind of change we were promised?

This narrow choice between big violence and smaller violence shows, I think, just how fully we have all implicitly adopted the conceptual framework of the War on Terror, how much George W. Bush’s advisers continue to set the terms of our thinking years after they’d been dispatched from office.

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Progressive willingness to acquiesce to or even outright support Obama’s radical policies – in the name of partisan loyalty – is precisely what ensures the continuation of those policies. Obama gets away with all of this because so many progressives venerate leader loyalty and partisan gain above all else.

What’s most remarkable about this willingness to endorse extremist policies because you “trust” the current leader exercising them is how painfully illogical it is, and how violently contrary it is to everything Americans are taught from childhood about their country. It should not be difficult to comprehend that there is no such thing as vesting a Democratic President with Power X but not vesting a GOP President with the same power. To endorse a power in the hands of a leader you like is, necessarily, to endorse the power in the hands of a leader you dislike…

This is not just basic American political history. It’s basic human nature. And the greater the power is – and there is no greater power than targeting citizens for execution – the more urgent those principles are. Watching progressive media figures outright admit that trust in Barack Obama as Leader guides their unprincipled political arguments is only slightly more jarring than watching them embrace that mentality while pretending they’re not. Whatever else is true, watching the political movement that spent years marching behind the banner of “due process” and “restraints on presidential power” and “our Constitutional values” now explicitly defend the most radical policy yet justified by the “war on terror” – all because it’s their leader doing it – is as nauseating as it is dangerous.

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Pain heals

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:06 AM

Avril Axe

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:12 AM

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:05 AM

Just spinning tunes..:)

Dire Straits on February 12, 2013 at 3:14 AM

I have to confess that I have never been to Singapore.

Have you seen Never Let Me Go?

Fantastic scifi dystopian tale. I didn’t even recognize Ms. Knightley till near the end.

tom daschle concerned on February 12, 2013 at 2:59 AM

I’m sorry! This got by me. 1. :) 2. No, checking it out now.

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:15 AM

( ) ( )
(* .*)
(”__”)

B9

SparkPlug on February 12, 2013 at 3:19 AM

Just spinning tunes..:)

Dire Straits on February 12, 2013 at 3:14 AM

Huh. :)

Might be all the drugs. Maybe the alcohol. Or the fatigue. Might be a ‘Nam thing. Could be the gunshot wound isn’t healing properly. Or maybe that last raccoon bite.

Possibly the Voodoo curse again.

You see the Twilight Zone thing where Columbo sees his enemies in his mirror?

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:21 AM

Do you realize you aren’t talking to anybody right now?

– YouTube comment

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:30 AM

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:30 AM

rofl..What are you people..:)

Dire Straits on February 12, 2013 at 3:32 AM

Dire Straits on February 12, 2013 at 3:32 AM

I forgot about this, while we’re there. :)

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:41 AM

O! Sixx!

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:44 AM

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:41 AM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on February 12, 2013 at 3:48 AM

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:44 AM

Very nice tune..Very nice..:)

Dire Straits on February 12, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 3:44 AM

This guy figured it out a while back..:)

Dire Straits on February 12, 2013 at 3:55 AM

This guy figured it out a while back..:)

Dire Straits on February 12, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Took time to look up the lyrics on that one. :)

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 4:22 AM

Sarah Palin for Pope !

Happy Birthday, Governor Palin.

(It is not past midnight….. You are mistaken)

Jimmy Doolittle on February 12, 2013 at 4:26 AM

I tried to outsmart my smart phone. Not giving up until i win.

SparkPlug on February 12, 2013 at 4:29 AM

My phone knows when I’m looking at it. It sees my face.

SparkPlug on February 12, 2013 at 4:32 AM

*sigh*

*draws a big circle*

*waves*

*mega-poof*

Axe on February 12, 2013 at 4:34 AM

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Progressive willingness to acquiesce to or even outright support Obama’s radical policies – in the name of partisan loyalty – is precisely what ensures the continuation of those policies. Obama gets away with all of this because so many progressives venerate leader loyalty and partisan gain above all else.

I would argue that it is more because progressives, in their heart don’t give a rat’s behind about taking innocent life. True enough that wars atarted by lib presidents don’t get their tears rolling, but they’ve been well honed on abortion and their favorite abortion president has no problem demanding the slaughter of fully born helpless babies. No need to wast expensive drones on them.
So, who’s to care about the military killing innocent folks? The death-panel and “Planned Parenthood in every ghetto is us” crowd certainly doesn’t.

Don L on February 12, 2013 at 5:55 AM

toure, you’re a putz….

W did far less and you crucified him….

go away

cmsinaz on February 12, 2013 at 5:57 AM

I sure would like to paint up one of these drones.

Bmore on February 11, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Wow, emulating those WWII bomber pin-ups?
I just think with this crowd in charge of the buttons, you might have to paint a bikini pic of Nancy Pelosi or Hillary to signify that you care, before blasting some poor unwarned innocent soul he’s about to be aborted!

Don L on February 12, 2013 at 6:08 AM

Dixmoor has an unemployment rate in excess of 10 percent, sales taxes of a whopping 9.5 percent, and income taxes of 5 percent. The plurality of households make less than $15,000 per year, and virtually all residents earn less than $100,000 per year. That makes it difficult to adopt the Obama solution: tax the rich. When there are no rich people left, bankruptcy becomes the only solution.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/11/Illinois-Town-Runs-Out-of-Gas-Money

davidk on February 12, 2013 at 6:15 AM

About tonight: “State of the Union Address 2013: An Empty Suit Making Empty Promises” My take.

kingsjester on February 12, 2013 at 6:44 AM

I wonder how many time in tonight’s STFU speech Obama will say “I”, “Me”, “My”, or “Mine”. Anyone planning on keeping score? I plan to be watching a really bad horror or scifi flick instead.

Liam on February 12, 2013 at 7:00 AM

Spot on KJ

Straw man cometh

Cannot watch…. will depend on the HA crew

cmsinaz on February 12, 2013 at 7:11 AM

cmsinaz on February 12, 2013 at 7:11 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on February 12, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Liam
7% will be taking care of that for us :)

cmsinaz on February 12, 2013 at 7:14 AM

Liam
7% will be taking care of that for us :)

cmsinaz on February 12, 2013 at 7:14 AM

A person with a stronger stomach than mine!

Liam on February 12, 2013 at 7:19 AM

I just thought of something. Doesn’t the murderer on the run (Christopher Dorner) look a lot like the voice of the Sesame Street character Elmo (Kevin Clash), who apparently had sexual relations with minors? There is really no point to this comment and it is not meant to suggest any kind of connection. I just thought they looked like twins. It had been bothering me for days trying to figure out who that murderous slob Dorner looked like.

bluegill on February 12, 2013 at 7:22 AM

About tonight: “State of the Union Address 2013: An Empty Suit Making Empty Promises” My take.
kingsjester on February 12, 2013 at 6:44 AM

I will not spoil my evening by having that on my television. I can’t stand to see his ugly moled face nor hear his condescending, sneering tone. Obama is racist trash and is happy to flush the country down the toilet.

bluegill on February 12, 2013 at 7:27 AM

Hundreds are lining the route from Midlothian to Austin, on streets, highways and overpasses, holding posters and flags for Chris Kyle’s unprecedented final farewell. Some vehicles are stopped until the procession passes; both sides of the highways.

It’s raining, so many have their umbrellas.

Glenn Beck had a trucker call in and reported the same.

bluefox on February 12, 2013 at 11:22 AM

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