Dorner morphing into an anti-hero?

posted at 2:01 pm on February 10, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I have, at times, been accused of being somewhat naive when it comes to modern culture, both by family members and readers alike. Perhaps you’re all on to something there, because I certainly never saw this coming. As the search continues for alleged cop killer Christopher Dorner, there is an emerging theme – at least on the West Coast – that perhaps Dorner is some sort of Robin Hood, standing up for the little guy and taking it to the corrupt LA police force.

Support Growing For Former L.A. Officer Accused Of Killing Spree

Dorner lost his job with the Los Angeles Police Department in 2008. His manifesto vows revenge for that; and, surprisingly, thousands of people actually support him.

It’s hard to believe but there are those out there who sympathize with the man targeting police officers.

One Facebook page is proclaiming Dorner for president. “We propose electing a man who could no longer sit idly by and watch as malicious tyrants abuse the innocent.”

The description on “We Are All Chris Dorner” chillingly says, “Yes, this is war.”

I can’t even conceive of this, but apparently these cheerleaders of mayhem have their reasons. When the local news station put out the question as to why anyone would support this crime spree, one respondent answered, “Because something needs to be done about the long known corruption of not only the LAPD, but several agencies.

To add insult to injury, even as thousands of law enforcement officers are searching for him, the police department is reopening an investigation into the circumstances of his firing. If this is being done as some sort of tactical ploy to draw him out of hiding and into “negotiations” so he can be taken into custody, then I suppose that’s fine. But if the administration at the police department is seriously responding to the murder and attempted murder of several of their officers by saying, “oh, wait… let’s see if maybe he’s got a point” … then the world has truly turned on its ear. Even if that were the case, the time to examine the question is not while Dorner is actively hunting cops and it only adds to this Robin Hood persona building around him.

I understand that there are people out there with grievances against the LAPD, both in the community and among their own ranks. How much of the public perception – frequently fostered by the media, as in the Rodney King case – is real and how much of it is misdirected, manufactured outrage is up for debate. And perhaps Dorner had some sort of legitimate complaint about the circumstances surrounding his termination from work. But for anyone to lionize this maniac’s actions as some form of perverted justice speaks volumes about our society, and it’s not a pretty picture being painted.


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he is a cop killer
he is black
he digs cnn
he has beef with the lapd

If you are a lefty tool bag, what’s not to LOVE?

dmart81 on February 10, 2013 at 7:24 PM

This is the danger of people not trusting law enforcement. This also creates a great dichotomy between those who distrust the state and those who still continue to worship it – they still sing the national anthem with their hand on the heart while that nation steals what they earn, creates terrorism, creates depressions and destroys the currency.

It’s just this sort of “Analysis” that queers the pitch for Libertarians….I distrust the state, do not worship it…but neither do I feel the cops are “corrupt” or any other of that clap-trap you spout…

In short you crate a FALSE dichotomy…fatboy…..

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM

“How do you mistake two Hispanic women, one who is 71, for a large black male?” said Richard Goo, 62, who counted five bullet holes in the entryway to his house.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130209,0,4414028.story

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Almost enough to make you think that the LAPD have orders to make damned sure Dorner is not taken alive and does not go to trial.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 7:29 PM

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Lefties, remember this when you say only ‘trained professionals’ (police) should have guns.

Cops shoot the wrong people all the time. They are nowhere near as competent as a novice IDPA shooter in the vast majority of cases.

In New York recently two cops fired on one suspect and hit over twenty bystanders. NYPD’s line? Hey, it was a busy street and sh*t happens.

CorporatePiggy on February 10, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Almost enough to make you think that the LAPD have orders to make damned sure Dorner is not taken alive and does not go to trial.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 7:29 PM

OR they they aren’t very good shots…try to leave the conspiracy crap at home…next stop Obama is a Kenyan and Bush brought down the Towers…”And look what’s on Frame 213 of the Zapruder film.”

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM

OR they they aren’t very good shots…try to leave the conspiracy crap at home…next stop Obama is a Kenyan and Bush brought down the Towers…”And look what’s on Frame 213 of the Zapruder film.”

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Yea… Hello McFly… knock knock knock, anybody home? You did read the part about, the cops pulled up behind them but did not initiate contact procedure or run the license plate, they just opened fire indiscriminately. Hello…. ya did get that part, right???????

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 7:34 PM

If you read the CNN comments, much of those defending Dorner are from the “we-need-guns-to-fight-tyranny” corner. To them the LAPD is a microcosm of the federal government run amok and Dorner represents the soldier-patriot standing up to the corruption of the state.

keep the change on February 10, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Imagine if Dorner wrote glowingly of Sarah Palin; everyone from Brian Williams to Fishface would be calling Palin a murderer.

bw222 on February 10, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Yea… Hello McFly… knock knock knock, anybody home? You did read the part about, the cops pulled up behind them but did not initiate contact procedure or run the license plate, they just opened fire indiscriminately. Hello…. ya did get that part, right???????

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 7:34 PM

So let’s get this straight here Mr Loose Change…there are SECRET ORDERS, amongst the LAPD and related PD’s to kill him? And that seems RATIONAL/BELIEVABLE?

Please go back to your Zapruder footage, if you squint sideways just right you can see the man on the knoll is George Herbert Walker Bush, I bet…

Sorry horrific police work does not require a conspiracy….

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Even on this blog you can see the evidence that people who call themselves conservatives or right-wingers, view Dorner as an anti-hero.

Jazz, anti-hero was the perfect term – a good guy who does bad things for a good cause. And many right here on hotair are either apologizing for him, or defending him.

keep the change on February 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM

….and libfree leaves the discussion like a dying rat.

itsspideyman on February 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM

keep the change on February 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM

As I said very early and another said just last page…there are a LOT of people in the world and they have access to the Internet; so you’ll hear from them and some of them will be pretty crazy or evil.

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 7:39 PM

You keep living in your perfect fantasy world buddy, where the cops never ever commit crimes, or murder anyone to cover those crimes up, just know that I am safe and sound here in my “Conspiracy” world.

Oh, by the way, the Rampart CRASH Unit, murdered 57 people in order to protect their cocaine drug empire, back in the late 80 and early 90′s. But don’t worry dude, it’s not like the Rampart Police Division is the exact same police division as the Rampart Police division that Dorner is ranting on about.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I absolutely give up if this guy is a hero. My bunker is closing.

tomas on February 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM

If you read the CNN comments, much of those defending Dorner are from the “we-need-guns-to-fight-tyranny” corner. To them the LAPD is a microcosm of the federal government run amok and Dorner represents the soldier-patriot standing up to the corruption of the state.

keep the change on February 10, 2013 at 7:37 PM

You really think most of Dorner’s groupies are conservative?

Though it is a nice bit of cognitive dissonance, as Libfree demonstrated so aptly. The cops are eeeeevil little jackbooters who hate minorities, but when we hear about gun control, we are told that we should rely on the police to protect us and we can disarm without hurting our safety.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 10, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Even on this blog you can see the evidence that people who call themselves conservatives or right-wingers, view Dorner as an anti-hero.

Jazz, anti-hero was the perfect term – a good guy who does bad things for a good cause. And many right here on hotair are either apologizing for him, or defending him.

keep the change on February 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Really? I count like two or three, and even then, that’s more just posters who have a beef with crooked cops, not people who are cheering Dorner on.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Oh, by the way, the Rampart CRASH Unit, murdered 57 people in order to protect their cocaine drug empire, back in the late 80 and early 90′s. But don’t worry dude, it’s not like the Rampart Police Division is the exact same police division as the Rampart Police division that Dorner is ranting on about.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM

You’re full of sh*t. Take your meds.

Blake on February 10, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Police officers are kind of like conservatives.
They have to play by the rules when everyone else does not.
And, despite most being good, they get crap from all sides.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Except in this case, they did not play by the rules. The rules don’t state that it is allowable for police officers to open fire upon vehicles without positively identifying the persons being engaged or for that matter, even getting a positive ID on the vehicle being fired upon.

Again, if a private citizen had done such a thing, even in a condition of “heightened tension”, that private citizen would have been charged 6 ways from Sunday with multiple felony charges. If that private citizen had unloaded as many rounds as the cops did and struck neighboring houses instead of the target, that would have induced even more charges.

In these two cases, the cops were doing anything but playing by the rules.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM

An anti-hero doesn’t shoot defenseless innocent people who had nothing to do with the crimes allegedly committed against him. He’s neither an anti-hero nor any kind of hero.

lester on February 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Lefties, remember this when you say only ‘trained professionals’ (police) should have guns.

CorporatePiggy on February 10, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Kind of boggles the mind, doesn’t it? There is a certain dichotomy of brain function that must occur to both state that citizens should disarm because the only trained professionals, who unload multiple magazines upon innocent civilians and even then (thank goodness) miss, should be armed and can be fully relied upon to keep them safe, while at the same time saying that this murderer is pointing out the evil and corruption in the police departments and that the police cannot be trusted.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 8:03 PM

It stands to reason that the police do not want this character to go to trial. By the time, if ever, he came up for execution he could have a trilogy on the best sellers list about how the LAPD are the henchmen of Satin and eat minority children for breakfast. He would have a legion of supporters —nay, worshipers. Of course the LAPD wants him dead.The fact that they’ve already shot up not one, but two pickups without warning would seem to indicate that pretty clearly. It goes way beyond “bad police work”.

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Levels of taxable wealth and political connection have a major impact on a given area’s ability to attract and select competent public employees, police included. From the limited information I have on the subject, it seems as though, unfortunately for it’s residents, Dorner is pretty typical of LA cops.

S. D. on February 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM

An anti-hero doesn’t shoot defenseless innocent people who had nothing to do with the crimes allegedly committed against him. He’s neither an anti-hero nor any kind of hero.

lester on February 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Good to hear that, lester. I hope you’ll castigate Dems who cheer this guy on if you encounter them online/in-person.

He’s no more a hero than any other cold-blooded killer, and shame on any conservatives who might be tempted to root for him because he’s “going against big government (the LAPD, in this case)” or because he’s demonstrating the necessity of the 2nd Amendment or any other garbage reason.

Actually, though, he *is* a good argument for the 2nd Amendment. Would you trust the LAPD to protect you from this guy? I sure wouldn’t, and I’d feel a lot better knowing I’m armed and potentially able to defend myself.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 10, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Of course the LAPD wants him dead.The fact that they’ve already shot up not one, but two pickups without warning would seem to indicate that pretty clearly. It goes way beyond “bad police work”.

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM

You do realize that Torrance is a separate city with a separate police dept, don’t you? Or, do you think they are all part of the cabal? lol!

Blake on February 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM

They haven’t used 3 names to describe him…that is racist.

It should be Christopher Lee Dorner, right? White guys all get 3 names.

tomas on February 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM

You do realize that Torrance is a separate city with a separate police dept, don’t you? Or, do you think they are all part of the cabal? lol!

Blake on February 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Yeah, I think they are part of the cabal.

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM

You keep living in your perfect fantasy world buddy, where the cops never ever commit crimes, or murder anyone to cover those crimes up, just know that I am safe and sound here in my “Conspiracy” world.

Oh, by the way, the Rampart CRASH Unit, murdered 57 people in order to protect their cocaine drug empire, back in the late 80 and early 90′s. But don’t worry dude, it’s not like the Rampart Police Division is the exact same police division as the Rampart Police division that Dorner is ranting on about.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Nice Straw Man there…who’s living in Fantasy Land, me or you…I never said

the cops never ever commit crimes, or murder anyone to cover those crimes up

I just said I don’t think there’s a conspiracy to kill him…

Oh and this is the first time fire ever melted steel, too….WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, and Bush ’43 was in on “It.”

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Leftism is violence and often extremely violent like the fraternal twins of Communism and Fascism, both left/socialist.

VorDaj on February 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Yeah, I think they are part of the cabal.

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM

How vast IS this “Shadowy cabal”? Inquiring minds want to know.

Is there a secret Star Chamber? Can anyone join? What are the dues?

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 8:22 PM

How vast IS this “Shadowy cabal”? Inquiring minds want to know.

Is there a secret Star Chamber? Can anyone join? What are the dues?

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Certainly, as far as Torrance it would seem. Have you ever spent time in a military unit. I can’t imagine you’d be asking stuff like this if you had. Under one commander you would be able to do things that you would dream of doing under another commander or in a different setting. All communication isn’t written or verbal.

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

An anti-hero doesn’t shoot defenseless innocent people who had nothing to do with the crimes allegedly committed against him. He’s neither an anti-hero nor any kind of hero.

lester on February 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Oh, I thought you were talking about the LAPD until you said the word “him”.

thphilli on February 10, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I can’t believe some people in this thread are actually arguing that the LAPD isn’t trying to shoot to kill this man on sight. There is literally a zero percent chance of them taking him alive. They absolutely want him dead. There will be no trial, unless he turns himself in to some far away police dept, and even then I think as soon as he is transferred back to LA he is probably a dead man before trial.

thphilli on February 10, 2013 at 8:37 PM

OR they they aren’t very good shots…try to leave the conspiracy crap at home…next stop Obama is a Kenyan and Bush brought down the Towers…”And look what’s on Frame 213 of the Zapruder film.”

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM

1) Obama is a Kenyan; he said so, HS publisher said so, Moochelle said so, and his random a said so.

2) He probably did due to not picking up on the threat intelligence quickly enough; at least he’s as much responsible through negligence or failure of leadership as Obama is for the 200+ deaths from F&F

Nutstuyu on February 10, 2013 at 8:38 PM

1) Obama is a Kenyan; he said so, HS publisher said so, Moochelle said so, and his random a said so.

2) He probably did due to not picking up on the threat intelligence quickly enough; at least he’s as much responsible through negligence or failure of leadership as Obama is for the 200+ deaths from F&F

Nutstuyu on February 10, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Nutstuyuthere now your name works…..

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Occupy folks support cop killers and anarchy. No surprise there, but to lionize him? I mean, there is certainly corruption within LAPD, however, murder of the officers and their daughters is quite.…unnecessary.

ted c on February 10, 2013 at 8:46 PM

All communication isn’t written or verbal.

Oh now it’s PSYCHIC…how well I understand now….

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Lefties will love this guy because he uses force. Lefties hate the use of force except when they love it. They love it when they wield it, and hate it when others wield it against them.

ted c on February 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

They haven’t used 3 names to describe him…that is racist.

It should be Christopher Lee Dorner, right? White guys all get 3 names.

tomas on February 10, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Christopher Jordan Dorner

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Even on this blog you can see the evidence that people who call themselves conservatives or right-wingers, view Dorner as an anti-hero.

Jazz, anti-hero was the perfect term – a good guy who does bad things for a good cause. And many right here on hotair are either apologizing for him, or defending him.

keep the change on February 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Um, name one, please? I see a few leftist twist and a few Ron Paul drones exhibiting this behavior, but none that I recognize as ‘conservatives’. Am I missing some?

Midas on February 10, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Screw all of this. Dorner murdered unarmed innocent people. As for the cops shooting innocents, they’re wrong too. End of discussion, snd of story.
To say anything else is the worst kind of ego-stroking rhetoric.

Deanna on February 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Oh now it’s PSYCHIC…how well I understand now….

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM

e·thos [ee-thos, ee-thohs, eth-os, -ohs] Show IPA
noun
1.
Sociology . the fundamental character or spirit of a culture; the underlying sentiment that informs the beliefs, customs, or practices of a group or society; dominant assumptions of a people or period: In the Greek ethos the individual was highly valued.
2.
the character or disposition of a community, group, person, etc.
3.
the moral element in dramatic literature that determines a character’s action rather than his or her thought or emotion.
Origin:
1850–55; < Greek: custom, habit, character

This is like explaining the surfing to a Bedouin.

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 8:54 PM

This is like explaining the surfing to a Bedouin.

claudius on February 10, 2013 at 8:54 PM

For me it’s like listening to someone from Loose Change…talk of cabals, and ethos’s…yes Marines have an ethos, certain units have ethos’s…that does NOT translate into a cross-jurisdictional mind meld to kill Dorner…..

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Listening to the reaction to all of this it is easy to see how Obama was re-elected.

tomas on February 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Conservatives and people on the Right tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to support their local police. In California, and I suspect most big Democrat run places, that’s not a clever idea.

Cops in California are a gang of bureaucrats with guns. They are just another organized crime force. (The FBI Command School tends to try to spread this around the country.)

Dorner’s story about his FTO kicking the guy they were arresting is not incredible. Since the gang really hates anyone who challenges it, Dorner’s dismissal is also not incredible.

Killing opponents and their families is normal gang behavior.

What is missing from this meme is the realization that 1 armed trained guy has paralyzed California and the Democrats are deliberately trying to provoke 100′s of thousands if not millions of similar people. Liberalism is a mental disease.

The idea that a “system”, any system, will function is insane. LAPD is a big organization with a rotten history. (Look it up.) California “law enforcement” is full of scammers, liars, and other felons.

Who’s the bad guy here? Dorner who has murdered people or the cops who attempted to murder TWO sets of innocent people. Methinks they BOTH are bad. This is what happens when you expect “public servants” to “serve and protect” you.

These big institutions and structures are rotten facades.

CrazyGene on February 10, 2013 at 9:05 PM

First, Dorner is an ex-cop. We generally call that type of person a civilian.

Dorner had more then enough chances to adjudicate his case. In a modern age of communications there are plenty of additional places he could have aired his grievances. Given the liberal proclivities of our media now fully in display, I am sure they would have helped press his case,

He didn’t. Instead, fully knowing the consequences, he chose premeditated murder. That includes the daughter of someone who helped defend him. Someone’s child. Someone’s baby.

Because he was angry? Because he was somehow wronged?

What if we all did that? I am pretty sure that mob rule is not equivalent to the law and most of us would not, using his standard, like where that argument takes us.

I don’t care what color, religion, creed or alleged grievance Dorner has. He is nothing more than a contemptible, low-life murderer. Any reasonable, honest person should all be disgusted by what he’s done.

Marcus Traianus on February 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

that does NOT translate into a cross-jurisdictional mind meld to kill Dorner…..

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Please provide your explanation of why the LAPD and Torrance PD both engaged in lethal force attacks on innocents without positive ID on either the occupants of the vehicles or on the vehicles themselves. The LAPD story that the vehicle was “behaving strangely” by going slow and stopping frequently doesn’t wash — if they observed that, they should have observed objects being flung from the vehicle (newspapers). The attack on the guy going surfing was even less justifiable. What would possess officers from two different departments to engage in a shoot first attack if not an underlying ethos in those PD’s that a) viewed the perp as worthy of lethal force with no opportunity to surrender, and b) viewed the safety of the public as secondary to killing the perp? … or do you think that in this case, firing on anything that remotely looked like a pickup that might or might not contain the real perp would be within normal acceptable police ROE’s?

As noted before, if a military unit engaged targets outside the established acceptable ROE’s, the members of that unit would be subject to court martial and the accompanying penalties.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Police officers are kind of like conservatives.
They have to play by the rules when everyone else does not.
And, despite most being good, they get crap from all sides.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Except in this case, they did not play by the rules. The rules don’t state that it is allowable for police officers to open fire upon vehicles without positively identifying the persons being engaged or for that matter, even getting a positive ID on the vehicle being fired upon.

Again, if a private citizen had done such a thing, even in a condition of “heightened tension”, that private citizen would have been charged 6 ways from Sunday with multiple felony charges. If that private citizen had unloaded as many rounds as the cops did and struck neighboring houses instead of the target, that would have induced even more charges.

In these two cases, the cops were doing anything but playing by the rules.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Love you, AZ, but I’m not ready to take the word of a serial murderer who kills innocents for revenge.
If it what he witnessed was so heinous, why didn’t Dorner report it immediately?
He’s a liar, he’s a murderer, and I hope they kill him into a million pieces.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:08 PM

If I were to ever do something evil like this, I’d act just like Mr. Dorner and wrap myself in leftist symbolism-civil rights, etc. Progressives are reluctant to come down hard on crime done in the name of left-wing values because it would threaten various elements of the leftist narrative. If he plays his cards right, he may come through unscathed. It worked for Bill Ayers. It worked for those who participated in the L.A. Riots. On the far left fringe, it worked for al Qaeda.

On the left, anti-violence is not a principle, it’s a strategy.

Afghan whig on February 10, 2013 at 9:09 PM

You know analyzing his genuine capabilities is not cheering him on, and sorta having a problem with LAPD wanting him shot on sight is not wanting him to get off scot free it is a matter of exposure of Cali Donk LAPD corruption and then hoping some jury doesn’t get its OJ trial on and let him walk….

I want Cali FORCED to kill the ba*tard.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Love you, AZ, but I’m not ready to take the word of a serial murderer who kills innocents for revenge.
If it what he witnessed was so heinous, why didn’t Dorner report it immediately?
He’s a liar, he’s a murderer, and I hope they kill him into a million pieces.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Where in my posting did I advocate to take the word of a serial murderer for anything? I have posted nothing defending the low-life rogue ex-cop who took the time in his manifesto to dump love on Obama, the left wing press, and advocate for disarming civilians (of which he is one, irony of ironies). I have neither support nor sympathy for this scumbag.

All of my postings on this topic are the extreme and unprofessional behavior of the alleged law enforcement officers who have engaged in lethal force attacks on not one, but two civilian vehicles containing innocent civilians and that only bore superficial resemblance to the vehicle that the real perp may or may not have been using. I have no sympathy for Dorner, if he is captured, fine. If he is killed resisting arrest, fine. But just opening fire on civilian vehicles because the police are stressed about the situation is third world tinpot dictatorship behavior, not the behavior of law enforcement officials in the US. This is more akin to “round up the usual suspects” than what we should expect from police officers. Note also that these officers didn’t just manage to put rounds into those civilian vehicles, homes in the neighborhood and parked cars were also hit. Not only was the police behavior unprofessional, it was also the epitome of the “flying lead” that the liberals always claim will happen when civilians are armed.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM

It’s just this sort of “Analysis” that queers the pitch for Libertarians….I distrust the state, do not worship it…but neither do I feel the cops are “corrupt” or any other of that clap-trap you spout…

In short you crate a FALSE dichotomy…fatboy…..

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM

You don’t believe the LAPD could be corrupt? That would be state worship because you believe police can do no wrong as all they have to do is “accuse” someone of a crime and then the accused is instantly “guilty”. Go play in the dirt, it’s probably all you can handle without hurting yourself.

fatlibertarianinokc on February 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Oh, by the way, the Rampart CRASH Unit, murdered 57 people in order to protect their cocaine drug empire, back in the late 80 and early 90′s. But don’t worry dude, it’s not like the Rampart Police Division is the exact same police division as the Rampart Police division that Dorner is ranting on about.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM

You’re full of sh*t. Take your meds.

Blake on February 10, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Oh really…


Rampart scandal

The Rampart scandal refers to widespread corruption in the Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums (or CRASH) anti-gang unit of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Rampart Division in the late 1990s. More than 70 police officers either assigned to or associated with the Rampart CRASH unit were implicated in some form of misconduct, making it one of the most widespread cases of documented police misconduct in United States history. The convicted offenses include unprovoked shootings, unprovoked beatings, planting of false evidence, framing of suspects, stealing and dealing narcotics, bank robbery, perjury, and the covering up of evidence of these activities.[1]
The New Rampart Police Station

The Rampart Scandal is notable in popular culture because at least three LAPD officers implicated in the scandal were found to be on the payroll of hip-hop mogul Marion “Suge” Knight of Death Row Records, a convicted felon with known ties to the Bloods street gang. Moreover, LAPD investigators alleged Rampart CRASH officers Nino Durden, Rafael Pérez and David Mack were involved in the 1997 drive-by murder of recording artist Notorious B.I.G..[2]

The Rampart investigation, based mainly on statements of the admitted corrupt officer (Pérez), initially implicated over 70 officers of wrongdoing. Of those officers, enough evidence was found to bring 58 before an internal administrative board. However, of the officers named by Pérez, only 24 were actually found to have committed any wrongdoing, with 12 given suspensions of various lengths, 7 forced to resign or retire, and 5 fired.[3] As a result of the probe into falsified evidence and police perjury, 106 prior criminal convictions were overturned.[4] The Rampart Scandal resulted in more than 140 civil lawsuits against the city of Los Angeles, costing the city an estimated $125 million in settlements.[5]

Partly as a result of the scandal, Police Chief Bernard Parks was not rehired by Mayor James K. Hahn in 2001. Both the scandal and the de facto firing of Parks are believed to have precipitated Mayor Hahn’s defeat by Antonio Villaraigosa in the 2005 election.[6]

As of 2013 the full extent of Rampart corruption is not known, with several rape, murder and robbery investigations involving Rampart officers remaining unsolved.[7][8]

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM

One would have to be deliberately obtuse not to believe that LAPD and PD’s across CA haven’t been informed in some way, shape or form to “shoot to kill” Dorner. I don’t normally give conspiracy theorys any creedance whatsoever but if anyone thinks this isn’t possible then nothing I say matters anyway.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:21 PM

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Where in my posting did I advocate to take the word of a serial murderer for anything? I have posted nothing defending the low-life rogue ex-cop who took the time in his manifesto to dump love on Obama, the left wing press, and advocate for disarming civilians (of which he is one, irony of ironies). I have neither support nor sympathy for this scumbag.

All of my postings on this topic are the extreme and unprofessional behavior of the alleged law enforcement officers who have engaged in lethal force attacks on not one, but two civilian vehicles containing innocent civilians and that only bore superficial resemblance to the vehicle that the real perp may or may not have been using. I have no sympathy for Dorner, if he is captured, fine. If he is killed resisting arrest, fine. But just opening fire on civilian vehicles because the police are stressed about the situation is third world tinpot dictatorship behavior, not the behavior of law enforcement officials in the US. This is more akin to “round up the usual suspects” than what we should expect from police officers. Note also that these officers didn’t just manage to put rounds into those civilian vehicles, homes in the neighborhood and parked cars were also hit. Not only was the police behavior unprofessional, it was also the epitome of the “flying lead” that the liberals always claim will happen when civilians are armed.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Understood. But, you are taking a couple of misfires and indicting an entire department. They have guns for a reason and if there were mistakes, IA examines their backsides both ways with a fine toothed comb. And, if they don’t, it’s the leadership, not the troops. Bad leadership, like sh$t, rolls downhill.
I give the police a wide berth because until you walk the beat, you should shut your beak.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

One would have to be deliberately obtuse not to believe that LAPD and PD’s across CA haven’t been informed in some way, shape or form to “shoot to kill” Dorner. I don’t normally give conspiracy theorys any creedance whatsoever but if anyone thinks this isn’t possible then nothing I say matters anyway.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:21 PM

California is essentially a one party state in the Chain of Command from LAPD up to the County and State levels…

even if there’s not an order there’s an interest in his being retired as quick as possible.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Understood. But, you are taking a couple of misfires and indicting an entire department. They have guns for a reason and if there were mistakes, IA examines their backsides both ways with a fine toothed comb. And, if they don’t, it’s the leadership, not the troops. Bad leadership, like sh$t, rolls downhill.
I give the police a wide berth because until you walk the beat, you should shut your beak.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

When people could have been killed, that’s more than “a couple misfires”. I’ll give plenty of latitude to cops in stressful situations, but this goes way beyond that. We expect much more of our military troops who are in much more hazardous situations. These cases were way beyond benefit of the doubt territory. Not even attempting to get positive ID was completely inexcusable.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Understood. But, you are taking a couple of misfires and indicting an entire department.
RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

An entire department that just happens to be the most corrupt police department in the entire history of the United States of America. A department that pretended to clean that corruption up in 2005, but in reality, scapegoated a few officers, slapped a few more on the wrist and then gave promotions to all the senior most corrupt officers.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Understood. But, you are taking a couple of misfires and indicting an entire department. ..

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Let me try a different approach. If a civilian in a stressful situation such as a home invasion or other similar incident had done the same thing, sending rounds downrange and into neighbors’ homes and vehicles and hitting a vehicle driven by innocents, do you think the LAPD would have simply shrugged their shoulders and excused the homeowner’s behavior as “being in a stressful condition”, or do you think they would arrest said civilian for reckless endangerment, negligence, and a host of other infractions? Why shouldn’t we hold the so-called professionals to a higher standard than that which they would hold a civilian?

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 9:34 PM

A couple of misfires!

You cannot be serious, they damn near killed three inocent civilians. What do you think was going on? Seriously.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Understood. But, you are taking a couple of misfires and indicting an entire department. They have guns for a reason and if there were mistakes, IA examines their backsides both ways with a fine toothed comb. And, if they don’t, it’s the leadership, not the troops. Bad leadership, like sh$t, rolls downhill.
I give the police a wide berth because until you walk the beat, you should shut your beak.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

When people could have been killed, that’s more than “a couple misfires”. I’ll give plenty of latitude to cops in stressful situations, but this goes way beyond that. We expect much more of our military troops who are in much more hazardous situations. These cases were way beyond benefit of the doubt territory. Not even attempting to get positive ID was completely inexcusable.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Understood. But, you are taking a couple of misfires and indicting an entire department.
RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM

An entire department that just happens to be the most corrupt police department in the entire history of the United States of America. A department that pretended to clean that corruption up in 2005, but in reality, scapegoated a few officers, slapped a few more on the wrist and then gave promotions to all the senior most corrupt officers.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Again, leadership. The fish rots from the head, you can’t indict an entire police force.
1992, could the LAPD saved us from twenty years of supporting that crack head, Rodney King? Too bad that pile could only drown once. He was no good and LA burned to protest for him. Stupid.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:36 PM

A couple of misfires!

You cannot be serious, they damn near killed three inocent civilians. What do you think was going on? Seriously.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Are they dead? No.
Damn near killed three innocents.
Dorner didn’t miss.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:37 PM

His first victims were the daughter of the man who defended him at hearing, and her fiance.

Liam on February 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Remember this single fact. It cuts through all the blah-blah about being a “hero”.

Dorner shot and killed them in a parking garage at their condominium in Irvine. The girl was the daughter of a retired police captain who had represented Dorner in the disciplinary proceedings that led to his firing.

Who kills two innocent people?

itsspideyman on February 10, 2013 at 2:59 PM

This. Those in favor of the anti-hero are defending this.

And his third victim was a Riverside police officer sitting in his cruiser waiting for the light to turn green. No word yet from the anti-hero worshippers about how corrupt the dead officer was….

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2013 at 9:38 PM

This. Those in favor of the anti-hero are defending this.

And his third victim was a Riverside police officer sitting in his cruiser waiting for the light to turn green. No word yet from the anti-hero worshippers about how corrupt the dead officer was….

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Who’s defending him?

Is there some reason that California LE has a looser RoE than we demand the PotUS allow our forces afield in ‘ghani and elsewhere?

Help me understand please?

My wife’s unit labored under tighter rules of engagement in a warzone than the LAPD and other Cali LE are using in the pursuit of the Piers Morgan Killer….

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Are they dead? No.
Damn near killed three innocents.
Dorner didn’t miss.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Let me get this straight, because the quick draw cops didn’t actually kill the inocents because they suck at marksmanship means they didn’t actually intend to kill Dorner had it been him.
Is that what your saying? Wow, you are something.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:42 PM

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

you can’t indict an entire police force.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:36 PM

That is the stupidest and most assine statement I think I have ever read, and believe me I have read some pretty stupid shit.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:43 PM

I don’t think Dorner is a hero. He might be mentally ill. From the manifesto I read he doesn’t seem very right in the head.

However, the actions of the LAPD are scaring the crap out of me. They’ve now twice shot up the wrong truck and injured innocent civilians.

And the police chief has responded by offering to replace the truck.

What.

It has started to make me wonder if some of Dorner’s allegations might be true. I mean, it’s not like the LAPD has a sterling reputation.

That said it just becomes two villains fighting each other. Still doesn’t make Dorner a hero.

Sackett on February 10, 2013 at 9:45 PM

A couple of misfires?
Cops are supposed to make decisions in a moments notice, but this makes me incredulous. Why didn’t the officers ID the plates, driver, etc.? There was no reason not to follow the truck for a short time at a distance, run tags and try to get a better idea of who was in the cab. I wonder why did they think it was necessary to ope fire when the “target” wasn’t clearly identified?
They are nervous or scared sh*tless, poorly trained and poorly led. This to me is an indictment of the whole LAPD and political leadership of that city.

ChicagoBlues on February 10, 2013 at 9:45 PM

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

you can’t indict an entire police force.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:36 PM

That is the stupidest and most assine statement I think I have ever read, and believe me I have read some pretty stupid shit.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Why don’t you steer me right then, walker.
Just don’t call 911 when you’re trapped in a burning car on the highway. They might just shoot you because they’re so corrupt, you know?
See any drones outside your bunker?

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Let me state for the record that I believe Dorner is a psyco murderer, and that I believe the LAPD and other LE want him dead, not brought to justice through the court system.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:47 PM

An entire department that just happens to be the most corrupt police department in the entire history of the United States of America. A department that pretended to clean that corruption up in 2005, but in reality, scapegoated a few officers, slapped a few more on the wrist and then gave promotions to all the senior most corrupt officers.

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:30 PM

In other words….a union run operation!

Sometimes I think conservatives forget that….the LAPD are kind of like SEIU with guns.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Dorner is out of his mind crazy, but the way the LAPD (and the other California police departments) have handled this so far makes them look like the typical union run operation.

William Eaton on February 10, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Are they dead? No.
Damn near killed three innocents.
Dorner didn’t miss.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Let me get this straight, because the quick draw cops didn’t actually kill the inocents because they suck at marksmanship means they didn’t actually intend to kill Dorner had it been him.
Is that what your saying? Wow, you are something.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:42 PM

You’re always a quick draw around here anytime we have a thread to bash law enforcement.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Are they dead? No.
Damn near killed three innocents.
Dorner didn’t miss.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Dude! You are defending the indefensible. The fact that those three innocents are still alive was not the fault of the police, the police were trying to kill those three, they just were incompetent. … and it wasn’t just three people who were nearly killed, read the account of the guy who had rounds coming through his front door.

You are conflating two separate things. None of this condemnation of the unprofessional and downright homicidal behavior of those police is in any way meant to exonerate or justify Dorner. Let me put this simply: Dorner is a bad dude, if he dies, that is not a bad thing. If innocent people die because the police are too anxious to get Dorner, that is a bad thing, particularly when those innocent people are nowhere near Dorner and when the police fail to perform even the minimum of due diligence in getting positive ID. Put another way, what if those LAPD officers had killed one of those two women in what was effectively a random shooting? What would have made their actions any different than Dorner’s? Same with the surfer guy. Why would the Torrance PD killing of an innocent civilian have been any different than Dorner’s killing? Dorner gunned down innocents because he was angry and trying to get back at someone that only he in his twisted mind knows why. The police were angry and ready to kill someone without obtaining positive ID on their target. I’m sorry, this exceeds my benefit of the doubt threshold.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Nice letter from Lincoln, by the way. Let me know once he mentions something outside of slavery in that letter that actually pertains to illegal immigration.

Stoic Patriot on February 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Let me help you here. Lincoln mentions the Know Nothings. You are aware of whom they were, are you not?

If not, try this for starters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing

The anti-immigration laws you are defending are part and parcel of the Know Nothing view of who should or should not be allowed to immigrate — the centerpiece of their agenda. Here’s the words of Lincoln regarding them:

I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor or degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except negroes” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic].

In case that’s not enough, consider that Lincoln was commenting on a Know Nothing platform plank concerning restricting immigration. You are defending a restrictive immigration law which matches anything the Know Nothings proposed in their time. “They are overwhelming us” was used to pass laws stifling immigration from Sicily, from whence my Grandfather came, and from China, from which my wife’s family came.

Our immigration position is killing the Republican Party — it is, on its face, both unjust and hypocritical (that a party so enamored of individual rights should be so much in favor of strong Government acts against those who have come here seeking a better life just as my and my wife’s grandparents did). While you may not think so, enough voters do think so that Republicans are losing elections over this issue merely because we hold a position counter to our own announced agenda of individual rights….

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM

My wife’s unit labored under tighter rules of engagement in a warzone than the LAPD and other Cali LE are using in the pursuit of the Piers Morgan Killer….

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 9:42 PM

So, tell me what you thought of those tight rules of engagement?

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Are they dead? No.
Damn near killed three innocents.
Dorner didn’t miss.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Dude! You are defending the indefensible. The fact that those three innocents are still alive was not the fault of the police, the police were trying to kill those three, they just were incompetent. … and it wasn’t just three people who were nearly killed, read the account of the guy who had rounds coming through his front door.

You are conflating two separate things. None of this condemnation of the unprofessional and downright homicidal behavior of those police is in any way meant to exonerate or justify Dorner. Let me put this simply: Dorner is a bad dude, if he dies, that is not a bad thing. If innocent people die because the police are too anxious to get Dorner, that is a bad thing, particularly when those innocent people are nowhere near Dorner and when the police fail to perform even the minimum of due diligence in getting positive ID. Put another way, what if those LAPD officers had killed one of those two women in what was effectively a random shooting? What would have made their actions any different than Dorner’s? Same with the surfer guy. Why would the Torrance PD killing of an innocent civilian have been any different than Dorner’s killing? Dorner gunned down innocents because he was angry and trying to get back at someone that only he in his twisted mind knows why. The police were angry and ready to kill someone without obtaining positive ID on their target. I’m sorry, this exceeds my benefit of the doubt threshold.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM

And, you’re not understanding my point. If you want to complain about something, complain about the leadership, the idiot mayor, the chief, commissioner, the captains, for bad training and bad leadership. There needs to be a clean up, fine, but you better start at the top.
But, some people just hate cops and will complain just to bellyache.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:55 PM

You’re always a quick draw around here anytime we have a thread to bash law enforcement.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Now I have heard everything. I’ll be sure to show my boss who happens to be a Federal Law Enforcement Officer tomorrow morning that you think I’m a cop basher.

Typical projection by a lib hack.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Why don’t you steer me right then, walker.
Just don’t call 911 when you’re trapped in a burning car on the highway. They might just shoot you because they’re so corrupt, you know?
See any drones outside your bunker?

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Well right now I would hate to be driving a pick up truck with the wrong color in California. LOL!

William Eaton on February 10, 2013 at 9:56 PM

An anti-hero doesn’t shoot defenseless innocent people who had nothing to do with the crimes allegedly committed against him. He’s neither an anti-hero nor any kind of hero.

lester on February 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

This is beyond logical and moral dispute. He is a cold blooded murderer whom only a very disturbed personality could admire.

VorDaj on February 10, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Dorner morphing into an anti-hero?

Sick.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 10, 2013 at 9:58 PM

You’re always a quick draw around here anytime we have a thread to bash law enforcement.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Now I have heard everything. I’ll be sure to show my boss who happens to be a Federal Law Enforcement Officer tomorrow morning that you think I’m a cop basher.

Typical projection by a lib hack.

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 9:55 PM

You do that, but make sure you give him your point you made here, sport.
Yes, I’m a liberal. Love me some Dormer. /s
I lurked a lot before I was able to register, you never miss an opportunity to bash cops. Just going by your history. At least AZ backs the argument with good points. You just hack.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM

And, you’re not understanding my point. If you want to complain about something, complain about the leadership, the idiot mayor, the chief, commissioner, the captains, for bad training and bad leadership. There needs to be a clean up, fine, but you better start at the top.
But, some people just hate cops and will complain just to bellyache.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 9:55 PM

So the people actually shooting had no culpability here? Sure, if it is a training issue, fine by all means go after the leadership for putting poorly trained, incompetent people in the field. But wouldn’t you think that even those poorly trained incompetents might, just for a microsecond, consider that shooting up a neighborhood when they weren’t really sure of their target might just be a bad thing? Would those same incompetents or leaders give the same benefit to a harried civilian who had been the victim of a crime and had responded in a similar fashion? Frankly, I don’t hate cops and happen to know a goodly number of them and have generally had very good interactions when I have had contact with police in their course of duty.

AZfederalist on February 10, 2013 at 10:02 PM

So, tell me what you thought of those tight rules of engagement?

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Considering the opfor was not US citizens and GIs get gunned down by cops here in CONUS more frequently than other stops I’d say I was bothered.

It’s a crap sandwich for me pretty much start to finish…the media is strangely not interested in Dorner’s fanmail. FoxNews national helped the other networks hide about 1/3d the manifesto, the rumor says that drones will be used on US soil tracking the guy…

the moontards are using one of their little affirmative action addict timebombs to argue for more gun control….

yeah the whole thing sucks….

is this another power that ONLY democrats get to have, or am I misunderstanding things?

MSNBC has explained to me that GOP politicians are second class citizens, which makes me probably a third class citizen. Obama gets to run a playbook he railed against and the moontards admit “well we were not really against any of this stuff we just hated not being in charge” and America shrugs because hey the media is in the bag….

LAPD and Cali get to reenact “tombstone’s Vendetta ride” and since they’re all Democrats it is again okay I guess….?

It’s funny all the specious imaginary roadblocks that exist in the CBC and NAACPs mind in the south and nobody from those groups is much bothered by the out of control nature of this blow CoIn mission by CA LE and LAPD?

“Okay”

I want him caught alive if possible and at trial to air the laundry they want hidden then after conviction of earned I want him dead under rule of law not rule of spray and pray as first response.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Dorner is a bad dude, if he dies, that is not a bad thing. If innocent people die because the police are too anxious to get Dorner, that is a bad thing, particularly when those innocent people are nowhere near Dorner and when the police fail to perform even the minimum of due diligence in getting positive ID.

Not entirely random. The El Segundo Police alerted the LAPD unit that Dorner was coming their way.

The Los Angeles Times reported that police in El Segundo came upon a truck similar to Dorner’s exiting the freeway. It was driving in the direction of a high ranking Los Angeles police official’s home.

The officers then called a group of police officers who were guarding the home of the high ranking official. They were told that a vehicle that matched the description of Dormer’s grey Nissan Titan was headed in their direction.

Now these guys failed the first test of gun use — know exactly where your bullet is going. But given that Mr. Dorner had earlier that evening killed a Riverside police officer who had done nothing to harm him merely because the officer was an officer, I can see how they might have been a bit antsy after being told that the guy was coming their way…

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Am I only one who’s watching this narrative and waiting for it to turn into Natural Born Killers? Who’s going to play the part of Robert Downey Jr.? Probably Touré.

Afghan whig on February 10, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Now these guys failed the first test of gun use — know exactly where your bullet is going. But given that Mr. Dorner had earlier that evening killed a Riverside police officer who had done nothing to harm him merely because the officer was an officer, I can see how they might have been a bit antsy after being told that the guy was coming their way…

unclesmrgol on February 10, 2013 at 10:04 PM

They failed on a few counts.

1) if a civilian decides to play spray and pray because their buddy ‘warns them” on a cell phone at random he does not get a ’30-75 shot get out of jail free card”

2) They bulletstormed 2 separate vehicles as an area LE set without threat assessment or IDing themselves….

I cannot believe that that is not intentional.

If LAPD gets to play judge jury and executioner what precisely is the moral argument that an ex-infantryman who is if nothing else a better %shooter than the LE guys have shown cannot play the same game in their neighborhoods with drug dealers or other felons?

Dorner is using red team psychology from FM 3-24 to force CA LE to destroy its moral case for deference, trust, and aid with the people of the greater LA area…..

he is way inside their OODA loop and I am NOT thrilled about it, but unless and until LAPD accepts that they need precise, ruthless application of force within a narrow window and should attempt to meet the moral duty to follow the law they will keep undermining their ability to perform LE duties later.

This is bad.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Am I only one who’s watching this narrative and waiting for it to turn into Natural Born Killers? Who’s going to play the part of Robert Downey Jr.? Probably Touré.

Afghan whig on February 10, 2013 at 10:09 PM

or CNN’s Lemon guy…they both are trying to mainstream this felon openly…look for the donks to try to judo this guy’s antics into a push for more gun control….its perverse and blackmail…

“see you need to force other Republicans to give up guns or the next Piers Morgan Killer may get YOU!”

Basically CNN and MSNBC have convinced me with their behavior towards this guy that I will NEVER comply is seizure is ordered.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 10:14 PM

If the criminal justice system had ever shown any interest in regulating police violence and abuses against American citizens of color it’s unlikely you’d be seeing pro-Chris Donner groups. It’s not about him, it’s about the LAPD and their legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Ummm.. what about all the citizen committees, advocates, Diversity Mandates, outreach programs, Affirmative Action laws and quotas, Federal “Civil Rights” grants for Minorites, etc that the criminal justice system lavishes on “citizens of color” at the expense of White Men? Further, Blacks cause the vast majority of crime and operate their own Militias (The Crips and Bloods are now so big that they are not even considered “gangs” anymore, but outright militias, same as the Nation of Islam and its “Fruit of Islam” paramilitary wing.

As you are a lib and are better with pictures rather than stats, here is a interactive map of New York, established by the New York Times to show murders in the city. SEE HERE.

Notice by clicking on race of perp you can see how the “Citizens of color” breakout in criminal acts. Atlanta is even more skewed, with blacks accounting for 100% of the murders. Police violence happens because the police come up against the black and brown militias during their criminal enterprises.

Bulletchaser on February 10, 2013 at 10:34 PM

1) if a civilian decides to play spray and pray because their buddy ‘warns them” on a cell phone at random he does not get a ’30-75 shot get out of jail free card”

2) They bulletstormed 2 separate vehicles as an area LE set without threat assessment or IDing themselves….

I cannot believe that that is not intentional.

If LAPD gets to play judge jury and executioner what precisely is the moral argument that an ex-infantryman who is if nothing else a better %shooter than the LE guys have shown cannot play the same game in their neighborhoods with drug dealers or other felons?

Dorner is using red team psychology from FM 3-24 to force CA LE to destroy its moral case for deference, trust, and aid with the people of the greater LA area…..

he is way inside their OODA loop and I am NOT thrilled about it, but unless and until LAPD accepts that they need precise, ruthless application of force within a narrow window and should attempt to meet the moral duty to follow the law they will keep undermining their ability to perform LE duties later.

This is bad.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 10:12 PM

This.

Bulletchaser on February 10, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Well, the Trayvon thing didn’t work starting a race war no matter how many 4 or 5 year old pictures they put up of a “sweet little boy” and cut out the most important part of 911 tapes.

Had to do something…..

Wagthatdog on February 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

I want him caught alive if possible and at trial to air the laundry they want hidden then after conviction of earned I want him dead under rule of law not rule of spray and pray as first response.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Amen… Catch him alive, make damn sure his trial is as big and open as the OJ trial, then send him to the gas chamber…

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 11:19 PM

SWalker: Ummmm, and if he’s found not guilty? Then what? Send him to the gas chamber anyway? People her remind me of the last time I was called for jury duty: “If you had to vote right now, before any evidence is introduced, how would you vote – guilty or not guilty?” Well, he looks guilty to me! If the cops arrested him, he must have done something wrong!”

pm123 on February 10, 2013 at 11:43 PM

An anti-hero doesn’t shoot defenseless innocent people who had nothing to do with the crimes allegedly committed against him. He’s neither an anti-hero nor any kind of hero.

lester on February 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Aren’t you a waaaaaaaaaaaaay left of center commenter?

Forgive me if I have you confused with someone else. Well, anyway and regardless, I declare you the thread winner.

BoxHead1 on February 10, 2013 at 11:48 PM

pm123 on February 10, 2013 at 11:43 PM

So you are fking retarded?

tom daschle concerned on February 11, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Dorner was a loser who liked to play the victim and scream racism. He is also a cowardly, cold-blooded killer who will hopefully be captured alive and made to suffer for the rest of his life for what he did.

Shame on any of you for making excuses for this worthless piece of trash!!

bluegill on February 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM

SWalker: Ummmm, and if he’s found not guilty? Then what? Send him to the gas chamber anyway? People her remind me of the last time I was called for jury duty: “If you had to vote right now, before any evidence is introduced, how would you vote – guilty or not guilty?” Well, he looks guilty to me! If the cops arrested him, he must have done something wrong!”
pm123 on February 10, 2013 at 11:43 PM

I say we abolish the gas chamber and institute a method of killing someone that prolongs the pain and lasts for at least months. Cruel and unusual punishment has its place and I support it for people like this who murder and terrorize innocents. Gas chamber is too kind!

Put me on the jury, and I will have no problem rendering a verdict!

bluegill on February 11, 2013 at 12:16 AM

bluegill: With that attitude, thankfully, you will never be on a jury.

pm123 on February 11, 2013 at 12:20 AM

This fat, cowardly loser shot an unarmed woman and her fiancé as they sat in a parked car.

We need to bring back the rack, bring back the hot pokers, etc and let the victims’ families watch if they wish. I would also put killers of children in the group who deserves this punishment.

bluegill on February 11, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Here’s how chicken$hit the LAPD is: they fire on a truck that doesn’t match the description of Dorner’s truck, and they do it without warning as if they intend to execute the guy. They are so afraid that they are shooting innocent civilians without due cause and due warning. On top of that, they now have a million dollar reward out for the guy hoping to get anyone and everyone involved to help them out. They’re scared half to death, because they have a real foe that strikes back. Not helpless detainees in handcuffs, or innocent people in their homes that have been wrongly targeted for a drug bust. This is how brave THESE first responders are. They’re real brave when they can bring their forces and weapons down on the rest of society, but let them face one of their own and they start shooting at anything that moves. Yeah, big, bad, brave men these guys are.

HiJack on February 11, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Amen… Catch him alive, make damn sure his trial is as big and open as the OJ trial, then send him to the gas chamber…

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 11:19 PM

You know full well that is not how this plays out.

He’ll be mown down. The narrative will be suicide by cop.

Case closed.

CorporatePiggy on February 11, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Hopefully, Dorner and the LAPD’s random shooting spree will end Obama’s gun control photo-ops with police.

HellCat on February 11, 2013 at 1:47 AM

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