Dorner morphing into an anti-hero?

posted at 2:01 pm on February 10, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I have, at times, been accused of being somewhat naive when it comes to modern culture, both by family members and readers alike. Perhaps you’re all on to something there, because I certainly never saw this coming. As the search continues for alleged cop killer Christopher Dorner, there is an emerging theme – at least on the West Coast – that perhaps Dorner is some sort of Robin Hood, standing up for the little guy and taking it to the corrupt LA police force.

Support Growing For Former L.A. Officer Accused Of Killing Spree

Dorner lost his job with the Los Angeles Police Department in 2008. His manifesto vows revenge for that; and, surprisingly, thousands of people actually support him.

It’s hard to believe but there are those out there who sympathize with the man targeting police officers.

One Facebook page is proclaiming Dorner for president. “We propose electing a man who could no longer sit idly by and watch as malicious tyrants abuse the innocent.”

The description on “We Are All Chris Dorner” chillingly says, “Yes, this is war.”

I can’t even conceive of this, but apparently these cheerleaders of mayhem have their reasons. When the local news station put out the question as to why anyone would support this crime spree, one respondent answered, “Because something needs to be done about the long known corruption of not only the LAPD, but several agencies.

To add insult to injury, even as thousands of law enforcement officers are searching for him, the police department is reopening an investigation into the circumstances of his firing. If this is being done as some sort of tactical ploy to draw him out of hiding and into “negotiations” so he can be taken into custody, then I suppose that’s fine. But if the administration at the police department is seriously responding to the murder and attempted murder of several of their officers by saying, “oh, wait… let’s see if maybe he’s got a point” … then the world has truly turned on its ear. Even if that were the case, the time to examine the question is not while Dorner is actively hunting cops and it only adds to this Robin Hood persona building around him.

I understand that there are people out there with grievances against the LAPD, both in the community and among their own ranks. How much of the public perception – frequently fostered by the media, as in the Rodney King case – is real and how much of it is misdirected, manufactured outrage is up for debate. And perhaps Dorner had some sort of legitimate complaint about the circumstances surrounding his termination from work. But for anyone to lionize this maniac’s actions as some form of perverted justice speaks volumes about our society, and it’s not a pretty picture being painted.


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If the criminal justice system had ever shown any interest in regulating police violence and abuses against American citizens of color it’s unlikely you’d be seeing pro-Chris Donner groups. It’s not about him, it’s about the LAPD and their legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Yeah, remember the outrage from the black community on how black LAPD cops helped murder Notorious B.I.G. in 1997?

Neither do I.

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Bottom-Line: These Dorner Supporters are just “Ron Paul” supporters, loud, obnoxious and visible….but like Ron Paul supporters in actual numbers too small to worry about.

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

She doesn’t look like a Ron Paul supporter to me.

She looks like a leftist, pure and simple.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Bless your heart.

As a child of two police officers I hope you slap one.

Limerick on February 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Personally, I don’t support his ideology or what is doing, but I applaud him for taking such a strong stand against corruption…

sirmatthew on February 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM

OK,

if this is a common, normal response out here then I’m done with modernity. I’m booking a carriage to the nearest Amish farm and spend the rest of my days churning butter. It’s over. The good guys lost.

BoxHead1 on February 10, 2013 at 3:31 PM

If the criminal justice system had ever shown any interest in regulating police violence and abuses against American citizens of color it’s unlikely you’d be seeing pro-Chris Donner groups. It’s not about him, it’s about the LAPD and their legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

So, what’s the difference between Donner and Bernard Goetz? Apart from the color of outer skin of course.

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM

If the criminal justice system had ever shown any interest in regulating police violence and abuses against American citizens of color it’s unlikely you’d be seeing pro-Chris Donner groups. It’s not about him, it’s about the LAPD and their legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

^^^ Can’t separate murder from perpetual victimhood. Liberal propaganda is apparently very powerful and long lasting.

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 3:34 PM

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Get ready for the ‘he is Che’ reason.

Limerick on February 10, 2013 at 3:34 PM

So, what’s the difference between Donner and Bernard Goetz? Apart from the color of outer skin of course.

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM

One was subjected to years of liberal brainwashing and the other wasn’t?

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Personally, I don’t support his ideology or what is doing, but I applaud him for taking such a strong stand against corruption…

sirmatthew on February 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM

“Personally, I don’t support Hitler’s ideology or what he is doing, but I applaud him for taking such a strong stand against the Jewish bankers’ abuses.”

/

An extra sarc tag for good measure. /

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Where liberals are concerned, notice how it’s never the fault of the individual? Personal responsibility and self-control are never considered.

If a right-wing nut shoots somebody, it’s Rush Limbaugh’s fault.

If a left-wing nut shoots somebody, it’s society’s fault.

CurtZHP on February 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM

The chief of the LAPD has reopened the firing case of Dorner yesterday. Why do you think?

[Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM]

I don’t see that understanding no matter how the LAT cares to characterize it. I may be wrong but I see this:

“Therefore, I feel we need to also publicly address Dorner’s allegations regarding his termination,” he said. “I do this not to appease a murderer. I do it to reassure the public that their Police Department is transparent and fair in all the things we do.”

and,

Asked about Mr. Dorner’s efforts to clear his name, Chief Beck said, point blank, “It’s not going to happen.”

Those tell me LAPD is not going to reconsider it, but sit down and explain how everything was done right.

Dusty on February 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

^^^ Can’t separate murder from perpetual victimhood. Liberal propaganda is apparently very powerful and long lasting.

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Neither can CNN’s Lemon or Piers “mentor to psychos” Morgan….

LibFrito is thrilled someone is “putting LAPD in its place.”

We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least 20 years.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I am not legislating Mumias guilt or innocence here, but yes the support for him is built on similar lines. But a better example to understand this phenomenon is Fred Hampton, who the Chicago PD murdered in his sleep. Or Jon Burge who tortured suspects into false confessions for years in Chicago, long supported by conservatives.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

There was just a massive shoot out in Cleveland where the police fired off 137 rounds during a high speed chase. They were actually firing on each other. Some officers were shooting at the suspects going over 100 MPH through their own windshield! One guy actually climbed on the suspects’ car after the chase ended and fired off over 40 rounds into the car.

I respect the police and it has to be one of the toughest jobs in America but actions like this only make homicidal freaks heroes in the eyes of certain segments of America.

OliverB on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

If the criminal justice system had ever shown any interest in regulating police violence and abuses against American citizens of color it’s unlikely you’d be seeing pro-Chris Donner groups. It’s not about him, it’s about the LAPD and their legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

The first passage of yours that I bolded claims police violence only takes place against “American citizens of color.” The second passage of your that I bolded, however, claims that the LAPD has a “legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.” Which is it?

Is it just barely possible that the incidence of police violence and abuses against certain groups is because those groups perpetrate much higher percentages of crimes than are committed by other certain groups? If they commit many more crimes than other groups, they are many more times likely to have police contact than those other groups.

And as for LA and the LAPD specifically, what more would you have them do? After all, they instituted major reforms after the Rodney King episode, and as I recall they even installed an Inspector General, as well as layers of other folks like civilian review boards.

One final (trick) question: how many of the cities where these police abuses are happening are run by Republican Mayors and have Republican Police Commissioners?

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM

@Resist. +10!

RadioAngel on February 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Bottom-Line: These Dorner Supporters are just “Ron Paul” supporters, loud, obnoxious and visible….but like Ron Paul supporters in actual numbers too small to worry about.

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

She doesn’t look like a Ron Paul supporter to me.

She looks like a leftist, pure and simple.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM

It was meant as an “analogy”…just as Paul-bots are loud, and obnoxious and visible on the Internet, but vanishingly small in IRL, so too, Dorner supporters. It is easy to make too much of them.

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM

He was dishonorably discharged from the Navy. And the LA police union didn’t keep him employed. There’s been something wrong with the guy for a long time. I’m not going to defend the LAPD as not being corrupt but the guy has been mentally ill for a long time.

rbj on February 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM

There was just a massive shoot out in Cleveland where the police fired off 137 rounds during a high speed chase. They were actually firing on each other. Some officers were shooting at the suspects going over 100 MPH through their own windshield! One guy actually climbed on the suspects’ car after the chase ended and fired off over 40 rounds into the car.

I respect the police and it has to be one of the toughest jobs in America but actions like this only make homicidal freaks heroes in the eyes of certain segments of America.

OliverB on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

The police in this nation operate with such loose rules of engagement that they would be in Leavenworth if in the military.

Dorner is taking advantage of this habit on their part.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 3:42 PM

He was dishonorably discharged from the Navy. And the LA police union didn’t keep him employed. There’s been something wrong with the guy for a long time. I’m not going to defend the LAPD as not being corrupt but the guy has been mentally ill for a long time.

rbj on February 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM

He was honorably discharged form the navy…

probably for height/weight standards keeping him from getting his LCDR rank I’d wager.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Personally, I don’t support his ideology or what is doing, but I applaud him for taking such a strong stand against corruption.

sirmatthew on February 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Murdering the daughter of a retired police officer because you have a grudge against him isn’t taking a stand against corruption.

The LAPD’s reaction, including firing at vehicles of citizens going about their business doesn’t justify Dorner’s actions, it merely highlights the dire need of outside oversight of the LAPD.

Wendya on February 10, 2013 at 3:43 PM

But a better example to understand this phenomenon is Fred Hampton, who the Chicago PD murdered in his sleep. Or Jon Burge who tortured suspects into false confessions for years in Chicago, long supported by conservatives.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

The same Hampton who allied with murdering South Chicago gang bangers? Cheer up, Obama “murdered” Bin Laden who was in his bed pajamas.

Or how about your god Obama and his drone policy of killing Americans without due procesS?

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Anarchy…more and more in your midst…the land is regressing.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM

In 1990, according to the report, 45 percent of graduates from the Police Academy were white; 30 percent were Latino and 19 percent were black. (45% vs 49%)

By 2008, 53 percent of new graduates were Latino; 29 percent were white; and 7 percent were black. (29% vs 60%)

http://www.lacp.org/2009-Articles-Main/052409-DiversityBolstersLAPD.htm

Damn. Those minorities are all about doing whities bidding I guess.

Limerick on February 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM

I am not legislating Mumias guilt or innocence here, but yes the support for him is built on similar lines. But a better example to understand this phenomenon is Fred Hampton, who the Chicago PD murdered in his sleep. Or Jon Burge who tortured suspects into false confessions for years in Chicago, long supported by conservatives.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Allow me to help. One doesn’t condone one form of violent behavior as a means of criticizing other violent behavior. Rational people condemn both, without having to resort to perpetual victimhood.

I hope that helps.

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 3:46 PM

I am not legislating Mumias guilt or innocence here, but yes the support for him is built on similar lines. But a better example to understand this phenomenon is Fred Hampton, who the Chicago PD murdered in his sleep. Or Jon Burge who tortured suspects into false confessions for years in Chicago, long supported by conservatives.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Or how about Barack Obama (and his random and faceless minions), who can apparently put whoever he (they) want(s) onto a “kill list” and have them nuked without any kind of discussion or due course?

You mean that? Remind us who you voted for?

kim roy on February 10, 2013 at 3:46 PM

If the criminal justice system had ever shown any interest in regulating police violence and abuses against American citizens of color it’s unlikely you’d be seeing pro-Chris Donner groups. It’s not about him, it’s about the LAPD and their legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Sure, its not like your failed philosophical value system has anything at all to do with the generations of lost black youth in this country. They are violet murderous and frankly not well behaved because of the cops. As always you have taken the easy path. Lazy like water. Shame on you for what you and yours have done to all of them and theirs. But its the cops fault right? The dreck that is inner city filth is all the cops fault. Get your sorry ass down here to Morehouse and straighten those fine folks out! Or are you to busy at a NAMBLA meeting this fine Sunday?

Bmore on February 10, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Let’s see, In response to Dorner’s threats, the LAPD opened fire on a pickup truck because it was blue like the one Dorner was driving. Not only did 2 cops unload their weapons into the wrong car, at least 30 shots, only one woman was struck by a bullet and the other cut by flying glass. So they can’t judge who to shoot, and they can’t hit what they are aiming at. On top of that, another knucklehead cop hears the shots fired call and proceeds to ram his cruiser into the nearest pickup truck he sees, then opens fire on the driver, who miraculously escaped with 0 bullet wounds.

Maybe Dorner has a point.

On another note, The safest place to be when shots are fired is in front of an LAPD officer.

tdarrington on February 10, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Anarchy…more and more in your midst…the land is regressing.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Yup, I figure we are looking at the last 2-4 decades of the Republic.

LibFrito should be thrilled.

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Personally, I don’t support his ideology or what is doing, but I applaud him for taking such a strong stand against corruption. I hope he doesn’t cause any more harm, but I also hope he eludes police long enough for the corruption to be fully exposed and corrected. That is unlikely to happen, in reality, but so long as he is on the run the corruption of the LAPD remains a top story which is just begging for justice.

[sirmatthew on February 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM]

You think it’s corruption he’s fighting, just because the LAPD was corrupt at one time? Who’s to say Dorner was a victim of corruption? Dorner? You believe him, why? Because you followed the case from the beginning and have read all the transcipts or because you read his manifestos and the reports in the news?

Dorner lost his job. Happens. All. The. Time. Three people are dead at Dorner’s hand because Dorner didn’t like losing his job.

Dusty on February 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Black inner city youth are a wreck because of leftists policy. No denying this fact.

Bmore on February 10, 2013 at 3:49 PM

The same Hampton who allied with murdering South Chicago gang bangers? Cheer up, Obama “murdered” Bin Laden who was in his bed pajamas.

Hampton was not part of any gang. He ran an alternative school and a free breakfast program for poor kids.He knew and was friends with gang members. Which is totally a reason for him to be murdered in his sleep.

Del, there’s no difference between American citizens of color and American citizens. Citizens of color are citizens……

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

One Facebook page is proclaiming Dorner for president. “We propose electing a man who could no longer sit idly by and watch as malicious tyrants abuse the innocent.”

So… they don’t like Obama, then?

Midas on February 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM

If the criminal justice system had ever shown any interest in regulating police violence and abuses against American citizens of color it’s unlikely you’d be seeing pro-Chris Donner groups. It’s not about him, it’s about the LAPD and their legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Yes, because police officers join the force and risk their lives, just so they can shoot people of color. Makes perfect sense.
So, since we’re talking about joining a group to go after people of color, why don’t we take a long look at the DEMOCRATIC PARTY:
Abraham Lincoln was NOT a democrat.
Jim Crow Laws enacted by Democrats, using intimidation against people of color to rise back to power.
Democrat southern governors who encouraged continued segregation.
Republican, and Martin Luther King Jr. was a republican, legislators pushed the civil rights act of 1964, and earlier civil rights legislation, and forced Johnson to sign it into law, despite squealing from southern democrats.
Robert Byrd WAS a democrat and a high ranking member of the KKK. At his funeral, Bill Clinton excused his affiliation with the group.
Same Bill Clinton, in 2008, made a racial remark that Obama would be serving them.
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, democrats, have flung racist epithets at their own race and other races.
So, I would say…if you are a DEMOCRAT…you have a bad history with people of color and you are a racist that has no problem hanging, cutting off balls, and murdering people of color.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Dorner lost his job. Happens. All. The. Time. Three people are dead at Dorner’s hand because Dorner didn’t like losing his job.

Dusty on February 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM

These shooters carry around a tally sheet of “wrongs I have suffered.” They also tend to be victims of ‘reality TV nation&the cult of self-esteem’ coupled with eroded common moral constructs.

This is a side-effect of Balkanization of the population as goal of “civil rights” versus the notion of “we’re all Americans.”

If only there were some system of wthical code geared to reducing the vendetta culture from a common man which preached ‘turn the other cheek” and “vengeance is mine so sayeth all creation’s daddy!”???

harlekwin15 on February 10, 2013 at 3:52 PM

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Your screen name is an odd choice because the people you support would rather you die than live free.

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Careful, folks. LFOD is writing a book. All kneel. Tell em’ it’s so LFOD.

Limerick on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Hampton was not part of any gang. He ran an alternative school and a free breakfast program for poor kids.He knew and was friends with gang members. Which is totally a reason for him to be murdered in his sleep.
libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Fred Hampton was quickly moving up the ranks in the Black Panther Party, and his talent as a political organizer was remarkable.

In 1968 he was on the verge of creating a merger between the BPP and a southside street gang with thousands of members, which would have doubled the size of the national BPP

- Ward Churchill (American terrorist).

Cheer up libtard, Hampton’s followers helped intimidate Republican voters from voting in the 2008 and 2012 elections.

His legacy lives on.

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

a better example to understand this phenomenon is Fred Hampton, who the Chicago PD murdered in his sleep. Or Jon Burge who tortured suspects into false confessions for years in Chicago, long supported by conservatives.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Was it the Chicago PD who slipped Fred Hampton a mickey to put him to sleep before that raid? And how come this “assassination” resulted in no members of those involved being formally charged by the Grand Jury that investigated?

As for Burge, can you give us some credible examples of his “support by conservatives”? And how come the Democrat (later Chicago Mayor Daley), who was the Cook County State’s Attorney at the time, did absolutely nothing to stop the torture at the time?

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Allow me to help. One doesn’t condone one form of violent behavior as a means of criticizing other violent behavior. Rational people condemn both, without having to resort to perpetual victimhood.

I hope that helps.

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Great. Please point me towards one sustained critique of police violence against people from a conservative. I won’t hold my breath.

As for Obama and drones, I’ve been loud and consistent in my critique of drone strikes. It should be noted that Donner is the first citizen to be targeted by a drone. This surprises no one who is aware of the way anti black racks is at the core of the state.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Support Growing For Former L.A. Officer Accused Of Killing Spree

Doesn’t surprise me. Obama got reelected.
There’s a lot of stupid people out there.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 3:56 PM

I am not legislating Mumias guilt or innocence here, but yes the support for him is built on similar lines. But a better example to understand this phenomenon is Fred Hampton, who the Chicago PD murdered in his sleep. Or Jon Burge who tortured suspects into false confessions for years in Chicago, long supported by conservatives.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Dorner has murdered an assistant basketball coach, a security guard, and a Riverside police officer. NONE of them were part of the LAPD.

I find it a sign of depravity. Further, it is ironic and indicative of the complete disconnectiveness of the Left, which favours Big Government. The police ARE part of the government.

Big government = small citizen.

Why do any of you believe that a government, who is in charge of your healthcare, your education, your housing, your finances, your career and everything else, would be any less corrupt than those in charge of enforcement?

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Djorner would be doing the same murderous stuff if he was still LAPD – only the victims would be different. A punk is a punk. Lets face it, he attacks only from ambush, shooting down unsuspecting victims. He’s too cowardly to fight a stand up fight cuz he knows his blubbery butt would get waxed in a second if he actually went mano-a-mano. Put him down like the mad dog he is. If this guy is some kind of hero then so is the Unibomber and the dude who shot Gabby Giffords.

tommyboy on February 10, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Your screen name is an odd choice because the people you support would rather you die than live free.

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 3:53 PM

At open registration it screwed up its screen name by misspelling. It thought it had spelled something entirely different.

Bmore on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

As for Obama and drones, I’ve been loud and consistent in my critique of drone strikes. It should be noted that Donner is the first citizen to be targeted by a drone. This surprises no one who is aware of the way anti black racks is at the core of the state.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Um, Anwar al-Awlaki, Samir Khan, and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki were American citizens targeted and eviscerated by drones.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Well now. How many non-black people did black people kill?

Limerick on February 10, 2013 at 3:59 PM

i’m not surprised. the guy who killed a bunch of people in that colorado movie theater has fans. the newtown shooter has so many people who feel sorry for him because they think he was mistreated by his mother and bullied at school all his life, or something. some people think serial killers are heroes, somehow! it’s disgusting!

Where liberals are concerned, notice how it’s never the fault of the individual? Personal responsibility and self-control are never considered.

CurtZHP on February 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM

this is a core principle of liberalism. a lot of liberal beliefs basically boil down to this. liberals don’t have a concept of “take responsibility for your own actions.” it annoys me so much. i can’t stand it! here are some core liberal beliefs:

-if something bad happens in your life, it’s always someone else’s fault. it’s never because you made an unwise decision. you’re always the victim of someone else or some group of people. you are not to blame.

-if you do something that has undesired consequences, the solution is to get rid of the consequences. the solution is never to not choose to do that thing in the first place. (liberals want a fantasy world where there are never any negative consequences for anything ever)

-”self-control,” “personal responsibility,” “morality,” and “self-discipline” are imaginary concepts. they just do not exist, so there is no point in talking about them.

one example of all this is when a person from a low-income background commits a crime. liberals blame the person’s economic status instead of actually blaming the person who made a choice to do something wrong. another example is abortion. self-control does not exist. people just have to have sex because apparently, people are unable to control themselves and their bodies move on their own and have sex with other bodies. abstinence is an imaginary concept that simply does not exist at all, so never, ever talk about it.

this really gets on my nerves… /rant

Sachiko on February 10, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Dorner lost his job. Happens. All. The. Time. Three people are dead at Dorner’s hand because Dorner didn’t like losing his job.

Dusty on February 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Dorner alleged his training officer abused a suspect, but he kept silent about it–at first. Then he had a crisis of conscience. Which, just by coincidence, happened the day after his TO turned in an unfavorable performance report. Also, he filed a false report of the incident because he left out the details of the alleged assault.

Two witnesses–not police–confirmed no abuse had occurred. The investigation was thorough, and Dorner is solidly believed by the investigators to have lied repeatedly. That is why he was fired.

The current troll said the other day that Dorner was acting out of revenge, not liberalism. Now, he’s ‘trying to expose LAPD corruption’. Expect the reasons (read: excuses) for Dorner’s murders to change as new evidence comes to light or to fit the moment.

Also, police searched his mother’s home for four hours, leaving with boxes of evidence according to the news report I read. I’m wondering how much more will come out, over and above his manifesto.

Liam on February 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Or Jon Burge who tortured suspects into false confessions for years in Chicago, long supported by conservatives.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Would be very interested to see your source for third, if you please.

Midas on February 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Great. Please point me towards one sustained critique of police violence against people from a conservative. I won’t hold my breath.

As for Obama and drones, I’ve been loud and consistent in my critique of drone strikes. It should be noted that Donner is the first citizen to be targeted by a drone. This surprises no one who is aware of the way anti black racks is at the core of the state.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Desperation setting in?

Bmore on February 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM

As for Obama and drones, I’ve been loud and consistent in my critique of drone strikes.

BS. You have been largely absent from those threads.

It should be noted that Donner is the first citizen to be targeted by a drone. This surprises no one who is aware of the way anti black racks is at the core of the state.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

According to this “logic,” since Obama is in charge of the drone policy, Obama must be very anti-black.

However, since drones have been used on the US/Mexico border for years now, Donner has not been the first US citizen to be targted.

Can you please spare us “Whitey is to Blame for Everything” rhetoric for a little while?

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Basically here is the situation from my perspective. Dorner is a psycho leftist nut job, although not totally stupid, who is getting love from other psycho leftist nut jobs. With that said a lot of the police departments, including the LAPD, have been involved in pushing for gun confiscation over the last two months.

Remember this story: LAPD gun buyback turns up two Rocket launchers

So my feeling is the LAPD is no friend of liberty and the California police are now going nuts attacking anyone in a pick up truck, any pick up truck! This is one of those what the hell is wrong California stories.

Also progressives make no sense to me. Here they have been pushing for more gun control over the last two months because they say we have the police to protect us, yet now they are saying the police is corrupt and racist. Seriously….what do idiots want from us?

William Eaton on February 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

How many of them were Conservative?

Bmore on February 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM

And how come the Democrat (later Chicago Mayor Daley), who was the Cook County State’s Attorney at the time, did absolutely nothing to stop the torture at the time?

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I collected the numbers of those from Illinois, Cook County and Chicago that have been convicted of corruption over the years. It is no wonder that the City of Chicago, especially, is as lawless as it is.

The Culture of Corruption in the Land of Lincoln

Stunning.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM

And how come this “assassination” resulted in no members of those involved being formally charged by the Grand Jury that investigated?

Do you think the police would have murderd him if there was any precedence of the state prosecuting police violence?

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

200 black dead is far less than what Black Gangs do to each other.

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Hampton was not part of any gang. He ran an alternative school and a free breakfast program for poor kids.He knew and was friends with gang members. Which is totally a reason for him to be murdered in his sleep.

Del, there’s no difference between American citizens of color and American citizens. Citizens of color are citizens……

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Bolded sentence: Hampton was in fact Deputy Chairman of the Illinois Black Panther Party. Said BPP was considered by national law enforcement at the time to be a major national security threat. Stop trying to whitewash the guy (sorry).

Second (non bolded) sentence: you’re the one who used the two different descriptions, not I.

PS, thanks for declining to answer my other questions. I knew you couldn’t!

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Wow, you certainly are deeply racist, aren’t you? I’d suggest that there were far more than 200 *people* killed by the police in 2012 that didn’t make CNN, regardless of their ethnicity or any other distinguishing characteristics.

The day you racists allow yourselves to see beyond the color of someone’s skin will be a great day for the rest of us.

Midas on February 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Hasn’t the Daley machine in Chicago been in charge since like forever?

Limerick on February 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Your screen name is an odd choice because the people you support would rather you die than live free.

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 3:53 PM

lol, if the good perfesser even bothered to look up the words of the dude who originally uttered “Live Free or Die” (General John Stark) he would dump his nom in shame!

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

That’s a couple of months in Chicago and NONE of the media gives a hoot.

Funny, the only people talking about black violence are conservatives.

kim roy on February 10, 2013 at 4:04 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Yet you want to take way all of our guns so the police can protect us. Does this make any sense to you? I am just trying to figure out what you want from us.

William Eaton on February 10, 2013 at 4:04 PM

According to this “logic,” since Obama is in charge of the drone policy, Obama must be very anti-black.

Like many anti-black people Obama isn’t necessarily aware of it. This is more than a question of “racism”. Anti-blackness is part of the founding of American capital and political power, to be President you are automatically signing onto histories of violence and displacement, even if you enter it believing yourself a liberal. Hence Obamas quick transition from anti war to drone striker and rendition. There is no such thing as a non-violent or non-anti black president of the United States, regardless of political ideology.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Care to tell us how you found that stat out?

And what exactly were those 200 black people doing when the police killed them? Sleeping like Fred Hampton, who had in fact been drugged by an FBI informant?

And how many non-black people did the police kill last year? Just curious. Especially since earlier in this thread you told me that all people are citizens, not just blacks, but now you are singling them out.

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Source and circumstances of each death. Or shut up, stupid.
I’ll wait.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Like many anti-black people Obama isn’t necessarily aware of it. This is more than a question of “racism”. Anti-blackness is part of the founding of American capital and political power, to be President you are automatically signing onto histories of violence and displacement, even if you enter it believing yourself a liberal. Hence Obamas quick transition from anti war to drone striker and rendition. There is no such thing as a non-violent or non-anti black president of the United States, regardless of political ideology.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

LOL! Every country in history does this! That is why they exist today.

One group of people displace another group of people. We have nations to protect ourselves from having ourselves displaced by someone else. You do realize that right. You know reality.

William Eaton on February 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Great. Please point me towards one sustained critique of police violence against people from a conservative. I won’t hold my breath.

Anyone in a position of power abusing that power is held in contempt. That goes for the local cop to the president of the United States. It appears you don’t understand that it’s not only cops who can abuse people. Anyone with power over you can abuse. You seem to wait for any instance of police brutality to cry racism from the rooftops yet the democrats have been abusing blacks for decades and you voice full throated support for them.

As for Obama and drones, I’ve been loud and consistent in my critique of drone strikes. It should be noted that Donner is the first citizen to be targeted by a drone. This surprises no one who is aware of the way anti black racks is at the core of the state.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I had no idea Dorner is being targeted with drones. Also, why does everything for you revolve around race?

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Like many anti-black people Obama isn’t necessarily aware of it. This is more than a question of “racism”. Anti-blackness is part of the founding of American capital and political power, to be President you are automatically signing onto histories of violence and displacement, even if you enter it believing yourself a liberal. Hence Obamas quick transition from anti war to drone striker and rendition. There is no such thing as a non-violent or non-anti black president of the United States, regardless of political ideology.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Most sprouting from YOUR party. So. Go fix it in YOUR party and quit blaming conservatives.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM

And how come this “assassination” resulted in no members of those involved being formally charged by the Grand Jury that investigated?

Do you think the police would have murderd him if there was any precedence of the state prosecuting police violence?

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Translated: “I can’t answer Del’s question. The fact I am using a question in my own reply proves it!”

A+

You still haven’t proved to us that Hampton was in fact “murdered”.

Incomplete.

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Like many anti-black people Obama isn’t necessarily aware of it. This is more than a question of “racism”. Anti-blackness is part of the founding of American capital and political power, to be President you are automatically signing onto histories of violence and displacement,

New Left clap-trap…please define, and operationalize “Anti-black”…provide objective metrics for its measurement, please.

JFKY on February 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Like many anti-black people Obama isn’t necessarily aware of it. This is more than a question of “racism”. Anti-blackness is part of the founding of American capital and political power, to be President you are automatically signing onto histories of violence and displacement, even if you enter it believing yourself a liberal. Hence Obamas quick transition from anti war to drone striker and rendition. There is no such thing as a non-violent or non-anti black president of the United States, regardless of political ideology.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Well, then, using this “reasoning” then, voting for Obama twice must make you one of the most anti-black people in Georgia.

Which is shocking considering you seem to be aware that by even participating in the voting process makes you anti-black.

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM

This reminds me of the Occupy comic book post.

The dopes that are supporting Dorner have been taught from day one that the police are evil pigs. Movies tell them all cops are crooked and racist. Music tells them the same.

Why are you surprised he’s an anti-hero?

PattyJ on February 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Bolded sentence: Hampton was in fact Deputy Chairman of the Illinois Black Panther Party. Said BPP was considered by national law enforcement at the time to be a major national security threat. Stop trying to whitewash the guy (sorry).

Yes the state categorized the BPP as a threat to national security, good thing the state is always right for conservatives right? Fed Hampton was a citizen. If the police had charges to bring against him for something they had every ability to do so. Instead they killed him in his sleep. The fact that you find something defensible in that says everything we need to know about conservative thought on black people’s right to citizenship in this country.

As for your other questions. I’ve already exposed your lack of knowledge on urban history. Please stop borrowing lies from that blog stuff black people don’t like. That guys history of Detroit is a laughing stock.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

LOL, man, I just don’t know what to say in the face of such abject paranoia and unmitigated, rambling lunacy. Get thee to a mental healthcare professional soon, please.

Obama’s “quick transition” – along with all of the other leftists who were against such-and-such when Bush did it, but quite OK with it for Obama (none of *them* being elected President and suddenly having to ‘sign on to histories’ of anything, by the way, so what’s your theory on *them*?) – had nothing to do with his sudden change of address, but rather was – for all of them/you – purely political.

Like the homeless and other topics, this will become an issue the day another non-liberal becomes President, and not before.

Midas on February 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Anti-blackness is part of the founding of American capital and political power

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Wow, the Howard Zinn is strong with this one…

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Like many anti-black people Obama isn’t necessarily aware of it. This is more than a question of “racism”. Anti-blackness is part of the founding of American capital and political power, to be President you are automatically signing onto histories of violence and displacement, even if you enter it believing yourself a liberal. Hence Obamas quick transition from anti war to drone striker and rendition. There is no such thing as a non-violent or non-anti black president of the United States, regardless of political ideology.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

It is that kind of thinking that leads to things like this:

Mass Shooter Confesses He Learned to Hate Whitey at University

Such is a poison and corrodes minds. Professor, I sure hope that you refrain from teaching such garbage at university; otherwise, you might create your own Nkosi Thandiwe.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Wow, the Howard Zinn is strong with this one…

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Nah, he’s just gotten the latest batch of leftist talking points and is breaking them in. The newest term du jour to look for is “capital.”

CurtZHP on February 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM

There is no such thing as a non-violent or non-anti black president of the United States, regardless of political ideology.
libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Bwhahahaha. What nonsense. There is no limit to the lengths a liberal extremist will go to rationalize urban dysfunction in order to feel good about themselves.

tommyboy on February 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM

The fact that you find something defensible in that says everything we need to know about conservative thought on black people’s right to citizenship in this country.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

That’s not saying much when you defend Dorner of killing innocent people.

sentinelrules on February 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Del, there’s no difference between American citizens of color and American citizens. Citizens of color are citizens……

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

True…so:

1. Why did you start your first sentence the way you did, differentiatin?

2. Why are they called African-Americans?

US Americans are US Americans, not any sort of hyphenated garbage, no matter where they are from. It’s a major peeve with me.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 4:15 PM

RWM, you British-American, you!!!

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 4:15 PM

differentiating

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Also, why does everything for you revolve around race?

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Because he’s a liberal, and they are inherently racist.

CurtZHP on February 10, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Del, there’s no difference between American citizens of color and American citizens. Citizens of color are citizens……

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Dorner killed another woman of color. An innocent woman of color. For revenge.
You are no better than the rest of the trash cheering this guy.
But, you’re ignorant, always on the wrong side of history, so why should we be surprised, libtard.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I see LFOD, the racist & homophobe, is here for a while.

22044 on February 10, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The day you racists allow yourselves to see beyond the color of someone’s skin will be a great day for the rest of us.

Midas on February 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM

That reminds me of this…

“There is (a) class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the N3gro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the N3gro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. … There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”

- Booker T Washington, 1911

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Fed Hampton was a citizen. If the police had charges to bring against him for something they had every ability to do so. Instead they killed him in his sleep.

As for your other questions. I’ve already exposed your lack of knowledge on urban history.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

The cops had started a file on Hampton 2 years before he died. And you still haven’t proved they “murdered him.” And fyi, nowhere in any of my posts on this thread do I “defend” what the cops did to Hampton. All I do is call in question your quaint claims that Hampton was “harmless” and “no threat” to the community.

As for what I have bolded, thanks again for admitting you’re afraid to answer my questions.

And your Alinsky 101 insult is especially weak, given that I grew up in Manhattan in the 1960s in the NYC public school system, along with spending time in the public school system in (segregated) Boston earlier in that decade, followed by several years in the (integrated) public school system in Honolulu.

And I can tell you I saw just as many racists in the 1960s Honolulu public schools as I did anywhere else.

F-

Del Dolemonte on February 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM

RWM, you British-American, you!!!

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 4:15 PM

G’day, my friend.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

What do they have in common?

Dusty on February 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM

to be President you are automatically signing onto histories of violence and displacement, even if you enter it believing yourself a liberal.

Well then it is a good thing Jesse Jackson never won. He would have been shocked to find out he is a violent racist.

Limerick on February 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Also, why does everything for you revolve around race?

darwin on February 10, 2013 at 4:09 PM

As has been proved out on many, many threads here at HA. It is a race bating leftist.

Bmore on February 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM

She doesn’t look like a Ron Paul supporter to me.

She looks like a leftist, pure and simple.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Uhhhhhh….THAT’s what a Ron Paul Supporter IS - “Pure and Simple”

When Chris Kyle – the Navy Seal who was the best sniper in Iraq and Afghanistan was Murdered recently by a traumatized Iraq veteran that he was trying to help – to the GLEE and CHEERING of The Mainstream Media.

Ron Paul’s response to Kyle’s death was Tweeted: “Yeah, well – those who live by the sword, die by the sword.”

In other words – Ron Paul was High-Fiving, giggling and joining IN the Media Celebration of Kyle’s MURDER.

GUESS who Never called him out on this behavior – and WHO BURIED the Story of Ron Paul”s Tweet so that it was nearly impossible to find?

Yep – you guessed it: The Mainstream Media that he LOVES!

Sure – Paul made a non-apology “apology” later – that was worth the paper it wasn’t written on.

Ron Paul HATES America!!

williamg on February 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Still waiting on those circumstances on those deaths.
And, the liberal media doesn’t care unless it’s a white Hispanic or a plain white doing the killing, dummy.

RovesChins on February 10, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Professor, I sure hope that you refrain from teaching such garbage at university; otherwise, you might create your own Nkosi Thandiwe.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 4:13 PM

There is no such thing as a non-violent or non-anti black president of the United States, regardless of political ideology.
libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM

in that says everything we need to know about conservative thought on black people’s right to citizenship in this country.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

How are their rights to citizenship any different than anyone else’s?

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 4:23 PM

To add insult to injury, even as thousands of law enforcement officers are searching for him, the police department is reopening an investigation into the circumstances of his firing. If this is being done as some sort of tactical ploy to draw him out of hiding and into “negotiations” so he can be taken into custody, then I suppose that’s fine. But if the administration at the police department is seriously responding to the murder and attempted murder of several of their officers by saying, “oh, wait… let’s see if maybe he’s got a point” … then the world has truly turned on its ear.

Forget it, Jazz. It’s California.

(hat tip child rapist Roman Polanski, “Chinatown” (1974))

Paul-Cincy on February 10, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Uhhhhhh….THAT’s what a Ron Paul Supporter IS – “Pure and Simple”

When Chris Kyle – the Navy Seal who was the best sniper in Iraq and Afghanistan was Murdered recently by a traumatized Iraq veteran that he was trying to help – to the GLEE and CHEERING of The Mainstream Media.

Ron Paul’s response to Kyle’s death was Tweeted: “Yeah, well – those who live by the sword, die by the sword.”

In other words – Ron Paul was High-Fiving, giggling and joining IN the Media Celebration of Kyle’s MURDER.

GUESS who Never called him out on this behavior – and WHO BURIED the Story of Ron Paul”s Tweet so that it was nearly impossible to find?

Yep – you guessed it: The Mainstream Media that he LOVES!

Sure – Paul made a non-apology “apology” later – that was worth the paper it wasn’t written on.

Ron Paul HATES America!!

williamg on February 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM

She is a Leftist. While she may agree with Ron Paul on many subjects, I doubt very seriously that she voted for him. Thus, if she did not vote for him, she is NOT a Ron Paul supporter.

I’m not defending Ron Paul so please stop screaming about him to me.

Resist We Much on February 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM

The police killed 200 black people in 2012, for some reason their deaths didn’t make CNN.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Without details of every case this doesn’t say more than “there are lies, damned lies and statistics”. The latter can be made into anything. Just see the great stats in any USA Today issue. Most of those stats look “wow” and are big fat lies.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM

So Professor, when are you relocating to Chicago/Los Angeles/Detroit/Atlanta/you name the liberal hellhole to educate the oppressed? I mean how can any self-serving liberal such as you live with themselves while the underserved communities suffer from their oppression? So what’s it going to be, LA or Chi-town? Hotlanta or Motor-city? Come on tell us so that we can learn how it’s done from a Professor?

I’m going to guess LA, you feel the importance of reaching out to the killer-at-large, am I right?

D-fusit on February 10, 2013 at 4:26 PM

[Liam on February 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM]

Thanks for that.

ON that first part, I’m not sure who the asst basketball coach was the woman or man, but I read the woman was the daughter of the Police Caption who defended Dorner. WTF! The guy wasn’t involved at all in Dorner’s problem. Double WTF!

Really courageous guy that Dorner, fighting corruption and all in the LAPD.

Dusty on February 10, 2013 at 4:27 PM

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