Dorner morphing into an anti-hero?

posted at 2:01 pm on February 10, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I have, at times, been accused of being somewhat naive when it comes to modern culture, both by family members and readers alike. Perhaps you’re all on to something there, because I certainly never saw this coming. As the search continues for alleged cop killer Christopher Dorner, there is an emerging theme – at least on the West Coast – that perhaps Dorner is some sort of Robin Hood, standing up for the little guy and taking it to the corrupt LA police force.

Support Growing For Former L.A. Officer Accused Of Killing Spree

Dorner lost his job with the Los Angeles Police Department in 2008. His manifesto vows revenge for that; and, surprisingly, thousands of people actually support him.

It’s hard to believe but there are those out there who sympathize with the man targeting police officers.

One Facebook page is proclaiming Dorner for president. “We propose electing a man who could no longer sit idly by and watch as malicious tyrants abuse the innocent.”

The description on “We Are All Chris Dorner” chillingly says, “Yes, this is war.”

I can’t even conceive of this, but apparently these cheerleaders of mayhem have their reasons. When the local news station put out the question as to why anyone would support this crime spree, one respondent answered, “Because something needs to be done about the long known corruption of not only the LAPD, but several agencies.

To add insult to injury, even as thousands of law enforcement officers are searching for him, the police department is reopening an investigation into the circumstances of his firing. If this is being done as some sort of tactical ploy to draw him out of hiding and into “negotiations” so he can be taken into custody, then I suppose that’s fine. But if the administration at the police department is seriously responding to the murder and attempted murder of several of their officers by saying, “oh, wait… let’s see if maybe he’s got a point” … then the world has truly turned on its ear. Even if that were the case, the time to examine the question is not while Dorner is actively hunting cops and it only adds to this Robin Hood persona building around him.

I understand that there are people out there with grievances against the LAPD, both in the community and among their own ranks. How much of the public perception – frequently fostered by the media, as in the Rodney King case – is real and how much of it is misdirected, manufactured outrage is up for debate. And perhaps Dorner had some sort of legitimate complaint about the circumstances surrounding his termination from work. But for anyone to lionize this maniac’s actions as some form of perverted justice speaks volumes about our society, and it’s not a pretty picture being painted.


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An anti-hero doesn’t shoot defenseless innocent people who had nothing to do with the crimes allegedly committed against him. He’s neither an anti-hero nor any kind of hero.

lester on February 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM

I agree with you on something.

sharrukin on February 11, 2013 at 2:26 AM

Great mixed metaphor there at the end…

Steven McGregor on February 11, 2013 at 2:33 AM

If the criminal justice system had ever shown any interest in regulating police violence and abuses against American citizens of color it’s unlikely you’d be seeing pro-Chris Donner groups. It’s not about him, it’s about the LAPD and their legacy of unchecked violence against citizens.

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

You’ve devolved into a complete sociopath. Having no sense of right and wrong whatsoever.

Alberta_Patriot on February 11, 2013 at 2:39 AM

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Where’s the 57 murders you have repeatedly and falsely claimed happened? There isn’t any because it never happened. That’s just one of your more blatant lies. You’re nuts.

Blake on February 11, 2013 at 3:11 AM

If anyone watched the Grammy’s tonight. LL Cool J kinda looks like Dorner. And by kinda I mean alot. It’s alot of wasted dollars by tax payers chasing this guy. TO start. The border from US to Mexico has been slowed. (as if they are searching for a jihadi)

And It’s searching for one guy who killed some people. The jails in Cali are FULL of criminals who have killed cops. But this BS is turning Dorner into a Kardasian. If this guy is taken alive. Seacrest will make a keeping up with the Dorners show. Spike Lee already has a movie in the works. Dorner Unchained.

Kids are kidnapped and molested at a higher frequent rate. That should be a focus. Not one guy slowing the economy.

Gedge on February 11, 2013 at 3:50 AM

I wish I knew where he was, I could use the million dollar reward.

Dollayo on February 11, 2013 at 3:50 AM

what????

cmsinaz on February 11, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Bulletchaser on February 10, 2013 at 10:34 PM

THIS is troubling. Yet not a word about it anywhere else. Even MORE troubling.

Cleombrotus on February 11, 2013 at 6:35 AM

So do the dead people’s families get to sue the government or the doctor because they had information–or failed to obtain information–about his gun ownership? Oh this is a health(mental) issue, so why aren’t they sending the IRS after not stockpile lots of ammo for situations like this?

Don L on February 11, 2013 at 6:44 AM

My take.

kingsjester on February 11, 2013 at 6:47 AM

He’s still on the loose… biggest manhunt I’ve ever seen around here…

Khun Joe on February 11, 2013 at 7:19 AM

Keep in mind, the Dorner fan club comes from a demographic that believes O.J. is innocent.

JackM on February 11, 2013 at 8:42 AM

abuses against American citizens of color

libfreeordie on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Why are you concerned about the rampant abuses against ‘colored’ folk engaged in by you & your liberal ilk?
Like Affirmative Action which demeans people by telling them they are too stupid to compete with white folks & need to cheat to win?
How about the abortion abuse problem in the black community when Democrats make easily available to them so that they are free to practice their own genocide?
How about the way your liberal friends & yourself support the continue dependency of these people on social welfare programs?
How about your paternalistic insulting attitudes about all people of ‘color’ assuming that freedom & liberty are things they cannot handle?
If you have an alcoholic or drug abuser, you don’t give them more of their drug to destroy themselves.
The Liberals have given these unfortunate groups of people the drug with which they continue to destroy themselves.
When you have a person who is that addicted to any kind of dependency, sometimes the best solution is cold turkey.
They have to be left to their own devices while being offered a true hand up in the form of opportunity.
If they don’t take advantage of the opportunity, you don’t make it easy for them to become dependent again by offering them things that make it easier for them to be dependent.
You, libfreeanddie, & others like you, are the ones responsible for keeping people of ‘color’ under an oppressive yolk by engaging in behavior that encourages these groups of people to continue to be dependent.
They will never willingly free themselves if they can still get something for nothing or less work.

Badger40 on February 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

OJ redux on a larger scale?

Don L on February 11, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Remember, Jamie Foxx tells us blacks are the most talented people in the world.

JackM on February 11, 2013 at 9:21 AM

“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”
– Winston Churchill

PersonFromPorlock on February 11, 2013 at 9:37 AM

perhaps Dorner is some sort of Robin Hood, standing up for the little guy

Did Robin Hood murder in cold blood the innocent children of those he had a beef with, and threaten other innocents?

Seems to me the LAPD saw something wrong with this guy back in 2008 and did the right thing in letting him go. He has demonstrated he is exactly the kind of person the lefty gun grabbers think should not own a gun, much less be a cop.

The guy is not a hero of any kind in any way shape or form. And anyone who thinks he is, or who thinks there is any justification at all for his actions, is likely blinded by a hatred of cops in general.

farsighted on February 11, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Having murdered three people, he’s definitely not an anti-hero. But, I think it’s possible he was screwed out of his job.

Ward Cleaver on February 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM

The issue behind re-opening the inquiry is this:

Especially for those of us who understand the LAPD, his allegations have more than enough credibility that we want outside examination of the case. This is not to re-instate or vindicate Dorner, this is to root out potential problem officers *that are still in LAPD*.

The LAPD re-opening the case, given the nature of the LAPD, is most likely to forestall a real investigation from outside. LAPD is crooked, corrupt, and politically aware of how to defend itself.

(To answer one meme I see in more than one comment: OJ was guilty. The LAPD is still corrupt and a haven for corruption, bullying, and excessive use of force. Rodney King was still struggling – but the arresting cops went way overboard in their use of force, and this is typical of LAPD. The riots when they were acquitted of brutality were of frustration at having the due process aims to give the department incentive to reform were frustrated)

SearchlightCrusade on February 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Dorner is no Robin Hood.

However the way the manhunt has been going on has been racking up a civilian body count of it’s own in addition to Dorner’s victims sure hasn’t helped the issue in the least.

werehawk on February 11, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Only a sick mind would support Dorner and his crime spree.

SC.Charlie on February 11, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Anybody notice that Dorner looks an awful lot like LL Cool J ?

J_Crater on February 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Oft with evil will evil mar. That’s all I’m gonna say about Dorner and the LAPD.

If anyone is still sane in California would you kindly GTFO and make sure no one else follows you?

Chaz706 on February 11, 2013 at 11:02 AM

If I remember correctly he finally flipped out when he was denied a promotion in the Naval Reserve. And a number of women put restraining orders on him. He is a narcissist. He knows right from wrong and is not mentally ill.

SC.Charlie on February 11, 2013 at 11:07 AM

He’s a murderer, plain and simple. But we shouldn’t be surprised about this. Look at the two cars shot full of holes by LAPD officers for no good reason. Would we be surprised if their kids grew up to do what dorners doing? Or the 11 people shot by the NYPD last year as they all unloaded on a gunman who only fired one shot minutes before any believe arrived? Or the hundreds of kids frisked walking home from school every day, being dragged to jail on charges of drugs planted by cops (which they now admit to doing).

We have many fine, noble and honest cops, but most are bottom of the barrel legacy hires (you’ll never get a police job in the ny suburbs without having a relative on the force thanks to how the test is scored). Are there really the people we want driving around administering justice? Police forces around the country need to start being held accountable. Lets do it in courts, though.

Rainsford on February 11, 2013 at 11:18 AM

..to get an idea as to how absolutely delusional some of the gun control freaks are, here are the pair of cunning stunts we have for senators out here in Kalifornia:

Throughout the day, Senators Feinstein and Boxer made desperate pleas for their California constituents to turn in their guns and not confront the crazed gunman because this would be a perfect test of their anti-gun proposals.

“The Senators feel the best course of action is to remove all weapons from law enforcement and private citizens so no one else gets hurt,” said a Senate communications intern. “When the gunman realizes that nobody else is armed, he will lay down his weapons and turn himself in…. that’s just human nature.”

Beyond mind-boggling.

When this clown gets dropped by some armed citizen out here protecting his life, family, and property (after California LEOs have shot up every look-alike truck and are still looking for this lunatic), I am gonna get a front-row seat with a huge bowl of popcorn, watching them stammer and stumble through an explanation why we should give up our guns.

The War Planner on February 11, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The War Planner on February 11, 2013 at 11:29 AM

From your source, this is the most telling datum (emphasis mine):

…Other California lawmakers chimed in on the Senators’ anti-gun stance with Los Angeles’ Democrat Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa saying disarmament was a good idea, except for public officials. Republicans thought the idea was just crazy…

These people are crazy! I read earlier in The Mail that Dorner taunted the father of the woman he shot in a Sunday Phone call.

These libs keep making a bad situation uglier.

Liam on February 11, 2013 at 11:37 AM

However the way the manhunt has been going on has been racking up a civilian body count of it’s own

werehawk on February 11, 2013 at 10:27 AM

In a sick way, it’s sad they haven’t actually got a body count. They’ve shot at at least 3 innocent people – one at point-blank range – and haven’t managed to kill a one of them. As a matter of fact, they have only hit one of the three. (One other was hit by flying glass, the second sustained injuries from being rammed by the police cruiser.) Their level of incompetence in even shooting at these people is incredible. But they can’t even hit what they’re aiming at!

I’m glad no one has been killed by these trigger-happy schmoes, but it just shows they are also incompetent at handling a firearm and are a menace to the public once they draw their weapon. The picture of the pickup the newspaper ladies were in shows evidence markers counting up to 47, implying they fired 47 rounds. And they hit the one woman with 2 of them. Approximately 2 dozen rounds hit the back of the truck.

What I’m very tempted to say to the next armed policeman I encounter: “Are you going to shoot me? If so I want to stand where you’re aiming, so I can be safe from flying lead.”

GWB on February 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM

He’s a murderer, plain and simple.

Rainsford on February 11, 2013 at 11:18 AM

This is the story.

The other issues deserve another thread.

itsspideyman on February 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

SWalker on February 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Where’s the 57 murders you have repeatedly and falsely claimed happened? There isn’t any because it never happened. That’s just one of your more blatant lies. You’re nuts.

Blake on February 11, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Keep living in your fantasy world, you are a perfect example of why the entire country think everyone in California is crazy.

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Keep living in your fantasy world, you are a perfect example of why the entire country think everyone in California is crazy.

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

So long as we don’t live in YOUR fantasy world where you lie about 57 murders. Seriously, that’s nuts. Pravda would love you…

Blake on February 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Keep living in your fantasy world, you are a perfect example of why the entire country think everyone in California is crazy.

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

So long as we don’t live in YOUR fantasy world where you lie about 57 murders. Seriously, that’s nuts. Pravda would love you…

Blake on February 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I pity the people around you, so certain that you know whats true, and so utterly clueless. Yea, it’s a complete and total coincidence that the murder rate for the Rampart Division dropped by 70 percent the day the CRASH unit was disbanded.

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 2:26 PM

To the person comparing Dorner to Rambo, Rambo was physically brutalized by dirty cops. Dorner? Not so much.

Hard Right on February 11, 2013 at 2:51 PM

I pity the people around you, so certain that you know whats true, and so utterly clueless. Yea, it’s a complete and total coincidence that the murder rate for the Rampart Division dropped by 70 percent the day the CRASH unit was disbanded.

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I pity the people who come in contact with you in real life and are subjected to your lies and exaggerations. Here on the internet — you’re just another whackjob. But seriously, seek help. No one is impressed by the facts you pull out of your a$$.

Blake on February 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I pity the people who come in contact with you in real life and are subjected to your lies and exaggerations. Here on the internet — you’re just another whackjob. But seriously, seek help. No one is impressed by the facts you pull out of your a$$.

Blake on February 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Don’t waste your time pitying anyone around me, pity your own family and friends instead.

Rampart Division, which at one time had one of the city’s highest homicide rates, has experienced a dramatic drop in killings since the mid-90′s. This year the homicide rate is nearly equivalent to the rate for the rest of L.A.

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I blame Jake Gyllenhall’s latest movie

(note: don’t care if I spelled his name wrong)

cptacek on February 11, 2013 at 3:57 PM

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Douchebag: Do you even understand the crap you copy and paste? You are quoting from an article written in 2006 that gives no actual numbers. CRASH was dissolved in March 2000. The murder rate for the Rampart Division [did NOT drop] by 70 percent the day the CRASH unit was disbanded as you falsely claimed. Overall, the murder rate increased significantly over the next three years and then slowly began dropping. Nor did Ramparts CRASH murder 57 people. Again, seek help.

Blake on February 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM

seek help.

Blake on February 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM

If anyone needs to seek help, it’s you.

SWalker on February 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM

I saw evidence on this when I visited a L.A.-based news website. The reader comments at the bottom of a Dorner story were disturbing. The majority were supportive of Dorner, and very anti-L.A. police. Commenters were sympathetic toward Dorner and saw his situation as the fault of police corruption.

jediwebdude on February 11, 2013 at 6:07 PM

It seems like it’s a lefty troll palooza today.

Mr. Arrogant on February 12, 2013 at 8:09 AM

1. Anti-heroes do not kill the innocent. The murdered police officer had nothing to do with LAPD, was a husband, father, and was training a new officer. The two people here in Irvine never hurt him or anyone else.

2. What are Dorner’s fans going to do when they are threatened? Call 911? Seems to me, that would be a bit hypocritical.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on February 12, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Things I’m taking away from this:

1) There have to be million better ways to express frustration than murdering the loved ones of police officers. The man should be hunted down , tried, and executed if found guilty.

2) Reading his wikipedia article, Dorner has had a lot of trouble. So far he’s demonstrating that LAPD did exactly the right thing in firing him. He has not demonstrated the judgement a police officer needs.

3) Still, the fact that he was hired in the first place seems to suggest that all the worst things about the LAPD are true. How many other people are there out there like him, but have the sense only to take it out on civilians with some pretext of legality?

4) I’d give this guy about a 0.00001% of being taken alive. The man’s an armed, dangerous known cop-killer who knows their procedures as well as the cops do. Given this , no cop is going to risk HIS life and give this guy the slightest bit of slack. If they bust him, if he so much as blinks at the wrong time he’ll eat so much lead they’ll be able to make a bullet factory out of his corpse.

pendell2 on February 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Oh, one other thing:

5) I used to live in LA, thirty years ago. The reason this guy is an antihero is because the LAPD has made itself so hated over thirty years there are lots of people who would take a shot at a police officer if they had the guts. That’s why he’s an antihero: It’s wish fulfillment, doing what a lot of other people only wished they could do.

Me? I never had a problem with the LAPD. But then again I grew up in a rich suburb. I guess I wouldn’t really be able to judge cases unless I’d first lived in Watts for five years on the receiving end of the LAPD, then did two years riding around with police officers and seeing what a tough job it is from THEIR end. One thing’s sure: The LAPD does not have the trust of the community it serves, and no one’s happy about it. Not the cops and not the civilians.

Not sure how to fix it.

pendell2 on February 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM

He is a murderer pure and simple.
He needs to killed like the rabid dog he is.
He’s a coward though, so he’ll probably shoot himself. Cowards do that.
Those who support him are thugs and gangsters or soulless attention whores, nothing more.
The products of the welfare-nanny state.

What are Dorner’s fans going to do when they are threatened? Call 911? Seems to me, that would be a bit hypocritical.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on February 12, 2013 at 8:54 AM

They’ll call 911 and have no hypocritical thoughts at all. They bite anything; even the hands that feed them.

Bubba Redneck on February 12, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Me? I never had a problem with the LAPD. But then again I grew up in a rich suburb. I guess I wouldn’t really be able to judge cases unless I’d first lived in Watts for five years on the receiving end of the LAPD, then did two years riding around with police officers and seeing what a tough job it is from THEIR end. One thing’s sure: The LAPD does not have the trust of the community it serves, and no one’s happy about it. Not the cops and not the civilians.

Not sure how to fix it.

pendell2 on February 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM

And that is the crux of the whole problem right there, to many people on both sides who hate each other and are utterly incapable of admitting that they are part of the problem.

To many Blake’s and Bubba Rednecks who are incapable of understanding or admitting why the LAPD are so hated, let alone that they even are hated. You cannot fix a problem that you cannot admit exists.

And yes, for every Blake and Bubba Redneck for whom the LAPD can do no wrong, there are just as many in L.A. who are every bit as incapable of listening to possible solutions because of their distrust and outright hatred of the LAPD.

So you end up with exactly what L.A. now has, a monster on the loose. A, for lack of any better description, serial killer running around hunting cops and anyone related to them, and 30 percent of the population of L.A. is rooting for the serial killer.

SWalker on February 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM

SWalker on February 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I’m the not the one who has repeatedly lied in this thread — you are. Tell us again about the 57 murders you claim were committed by Ramparts CRASH, whackjob. lol!

Blake on February 12, 2013 at 1:03 PM

SWalker on February 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM

And after you’ve proved the 57 murders, prove that the murder rate dropped 70% after CRASH was disbanded, you kook.

Blake on February 12, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Make that: And after you’ve proved the 57 murders, prove that the murder rate dropped 70% the day after CRASH was disbanded, you kook.

I don’t want to misquote your lies. lol!

Blake on February 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

If I remember correctly he finally flipped out when he was denied a promotion in the Naval Reserve. And a number of women put restraining orders on him. He is a narcissist. He knows right from wrong and is not mentally ill.

SC.Charlie on February 11, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Agree 110%. In his “manifesto” he blames his present difficulties on his reporting another officer for “excessive force”. Yet he hunted down and murdered three innocent people. Such a warped sense of “moral equivalence” points to rather severe narcissism.

Also – in the Naval Reserve (as with other branches of the military services) you are not allowed to be issued a weapon if you have a restraining order against you. For an officer in the security branch, that is a career killer. Of course, he would never admit that his own mistakes and misdeeds contributed to his problems – narcissists can’t admit that.

SubmarineDoc on February 12, 2013 at 9:47 PM

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