Reason: Establishment media getting even more establishmenty on Obama, drones
posted at 9:21 am on February 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey
The issue of fighting a shadow war against non-state terrorist networks has never been an easy call, not even before 9/11. When and where to use military force, whether and how to capture terrorists rather than kill them or the other way around, what constitutes a “ticking time bomb” scenario and what it means for interrogations — none of these are easy questions. Nor is the conundrum that has dominated headlines this week, which is what to do about American citizens who are suspected of joining such groups and participating in their plans to launch attacks, especially on the US.
However, one group has largely always treated these tough issues as cut-and-dried questions. And as Reason’s Nick Gillespie points out, that’s been true in both the Bush and Obama administrations. The difference is that they switched sides, arguing dissent, human rights, and the Constitution during Bush’s tenure. These days, though, they’re arguing that the President should be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to targeting Americans for assassination:
Back in the day, [Daily Beast writer Michael] Tomasky was a reliable critic of everything related to Bushitler, by which I of course mean Dick Cheney. … Tomasky struggles with the in-your-face spectacle of a president saying he has the right to pick which Americans can be killed unilaterally by insisting that the important thing is to walk a mile in Obama’s mocassins:
I’ve always written about politics with part of my brain focused on the question of what I would do if I were in Politician X’s position. This line of thought came so naturally to me that I imagined everyone did this…. [The memo is] certainly not something that makes the breast swell with pride. But it does make me wonder what I would do in this situation, and I can’t honestly come up with easy answers.
He should try harder to come up with answers, perhaps by halting the mind-meld with the powerful and instead grokking some imaginary solidarity with the falsely accused. After dilating a while on the term imminent as used in the memo and then deciding that al Qaeda is pretty much always about to attack the U.S., he concludes
Well, either this makes a certain sense to you, or you just think that a state can’t be in the business of killing its own citizens and that’s all there is to it. There’s no doubt that a sentence like “the president has the power to order the assassination of American citizens” sounds positively despotic. However, these are people who have gone off and joined Al Qaeda (the white paper also mentions “associated groups,” and one definitely wonders where that line is drawn, precisely). If an American citizen of German descent had gone back to…Germany in 1934 and joined the Nazi Party and worked his way up such that he was involved in the plotting of attacks against American soldiers, and Roosevelt had order him killed, no one would have batted an eye in 1940s America.
You got that? You’re either with the president’s logic or you can’t understand it (shades of George Bush’s simplistic, Bible-based manicheanism when he said you’re either with us or against us!). There’s enough qualifiers in the passage above to give anyone pause, of course: Who are the associated groups after all? How exactly is this like 1940s America? The short version, as even Tomasky eventually grants later, is that “it’s not 1940s America.” Last time, I checked, Congress declared war against Nazi Germany. And the Nazis kept membership lists which greatly minimized – though didn’t eliminate fully – questions of who belonged.
There’s another fallacy in Tomasky’s argument that Nick misses, too. We didn’t have the technology for remote-controlled assassinations in the 1940s (otherwise, we might have used it on Hitler rather than American traitors). When Americans got killed in attacks, they did so facelessly and namelessly as part of an overall military attack on Germany. We can argue the legitimacy of attacks on population centers (especially Dresden), but that was the nature of that war, and Germany set that precedent from the very beginning. The issue here isn’t collateral deaths of suspected American traitors in military attacks on AQ assets — it’s the deliberate targeting of individual Americans suspected of treason by their government with no real check or due process to make sure we’re getting it right.
Nick continues with other examples, and diagnoses the overall problem with the suddenly-credulous national media:
By making clear that as a journalist he tries to see things first and foremost from the perspective of the powerful, Michael Tomasky helps to clarify why so many in the media are rushing to the president’s defense. They are entranced with power and the view from the top. ”Presidents live with that responsibility [of protecting American lives] every day,” he writes. “If that responsibility were mine, I can’t honestly say what I’d do, and I don’t think anyone can.” Not all journalists are awed by power, of course, even on the right (National Review’s Jim Geraghty, for instance, asserts that this sort of thing of extra-judicial killing policy wouldn’t be cricket even under a GOP president).
This isn’t ultimately about ideological hypocrisy – of liberals changing their tune once their guy is in office – but something much more basic and much more disturbing. It reveals that for all their crowing about being watchdogs of all that is good and decent in society, when push comes to shove, too many journalists are ready and willing handmaidens to power – including the power to kill.
The question of assassinations (by drone or otherwise) remains a complicated problem in an age of non-state antagonists. There are no easy answers for a nation attempting not just to defend itself from military attack, but also from the kind of infiltration attack that can produce massively-scaled casualties, as we saw on 9/11. The use of American citizens for that kind of infiltration is a real danger, and one difficult to defend against, which means the US government has a big incentive to make it as costly as possible. But that can very easily lead to tyrannical power if not checked and balanced with due process and a mechanism outside the executive branch for oversight of its use.
The establishment media used to remind us of that need for checks on power and due process when a Republican was President. Maybe we should have a Republican as President all the time so that the media can actually do its job.
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Talk about a low bar.
Socratease on May 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM
What speech?
I love being able to say that. A speech fell in the forest and I didn’t hear it. Finally!
IndieDogg on May 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM
Platitudes vanish after the first terror attack or drone strike
rob verdi on May 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM
MSNBC is beyond parody. Socratease beat me to what I was going to say.
No Truce With Kings on May 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM
MSLSD:
********** FREE_BASING DA KOOL_AID Again ********!!!
canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Tools
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM
They say this every time he talks.
Don’t mean nothin’.
Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM
‘Toons of the Day: Memories & A Memorial
Resist We Much on May 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Oh, I was looking at Mika and then I thought you wrote Scandinavia .
Seth Halpern on May 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM
..mindless, mirror-fogging lib prole commentariat easily impressed, low bar, etc.
The War Planner on May 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM
LOL.
pat on May 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM
A definite sign of panic…the house is on fire…firetrucks are on the way….and the neighbors are telling the homeowner how pretty his drapes are….tsk tsk…these PMSNBC people are such mental midgets.
LaRepublican on May 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Did he use his teleprompter? Hahahahahahaha.
kemojr on May 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM
President Foreign Policy’s miraculous yet still oddly unmaterialized abilities to move us drastically closer to world peace
=====
And yet,Hopey Wins a Peace Prize for Peace,er,
for…..
…..Fort Hood
Extortion 17
Benghazi
Boston Bombing
Libya/Egypt,
and others I
have missed!
canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Squirrel!
forest on May 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Somebody should have asked if they could remember a line or theme from the speach.
Tater Salad on May 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Why Obama’s speech was one of the best of his presidency.
Why this chase is one of best in Wile E. Coyote’s career.
Why this game was one of the best ever for the Washington Generals.
etcetera
aunursa on May 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Shiny things!
No scandals, wingnuts!
Good Lt on May 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM
I bet whatever was showing on HGTV or NAT GEO had higher ratings than Obama’s speech.
Erich66 on May 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM
The Barak Obama Do It Yourself Speech Kit:
Preamble: this must consist of varying portions or iterations of the following; [Place in any order you choose]
“Folks are hurtin’.” [This must be said with feeling, to show caring.]
“We have to invest in the future.” [Translation; Spend Spend Spend!]
“We need a balanced approach.” [Remember, this means Tax Increases so make it sound reasonalbe.]
“My hope and expectation is that we can put country before party and get something done for the American people.”
[This is the crux of the speech, this is where it is emphasized that any disagreement is tantamount to Treason.]
[At this point it is important to have an agenda list that will consist of proposals. Use the following skeleton to introduce each of the agenda items.]
— Obama Introduce a Subject on the Agenda —
“Some would say…” [Insert here a quotation of something No One ever says.]
“let me be perfectly clear…” [This is the place for obfuscation about the subject and any position regarding the subject.]
“We cannot simply just…” [This is where you mention something that would be the exact solution to the problem and the American People know it, i.e. "we cannot simply just drill for all the oil we need."]
“make no mistake about…” [Here is where the Exact Opposite of any of the things which are to take place are stated.]
“I reject the false choice that some would…” [Again, reiterate quotations that No One has ever said followed by Him vs. an idiotic extrapolation of any Republican position.]
“I have ordered my team to…” [Doesn't matter what actions you fill in here, they aren't going to do it.]
— Repeat as needed for new subjects —
Then, in closing you must include a reference to the Bush Administration and “The Failed Policies of the Past.” that we cannot go back to.
jaydee_007 on May 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM
MSNBC: The place for
PoliticsPissants.can_con on May 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM
And terrorism is more alive than liberalism, heh.
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Every speech this a$$hat gives is the best of his presidency. Talk about the bigotry of low expectations. What a bunch of racists.
jawkneemusic on May 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Chris Hayes is a ratings disaster for them. And as he gets more panicky his voice even goes an octave higher.
He’s amusing.
Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Look at all those good results from that Cairo speech.
rbj on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Pressed kind of ignored the heckler.
If Bush was President the heckler would have gotten more press than the speech.
albill on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Our current President has not just one, but three scandals which he is under scrutiny about.
They must be serious, because Mooch is talking about going on an extended vacation.
So, what’s a Chicago Politician to do, to escape the heat of public attention? Why, run the ol’ Bait and Switch, of course.
Oh, look! Squirrel!
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM
As a student of history this speech ranks right up there with Star Wars and Lost.
Limerick on May 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.
HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM
Did he get extra credit for planting Media Benjamin?
DanMan on May 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM
The Whorce is strong with these ones, I see…
JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM
Share with us the stats of how many white people voted for him in 08 and 12….
hillsoftx on May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM
The One makes a speech, reading recycled
lineslies off the teleprompter.The LSM, who have heard it a zillion times before, react appropriately, by their lights.
That is, they immediately proclaim a New Era of Peace and Prosperity due to His Totally Awesome Awesomeness.
Sierra-Squared, Delta-Squared.
clear ether
eon
eon on May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM
Wow, what a speech! What scandals?
crrr6 on May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM
He’s the female version of Rachael Madcow.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM
none of us wonder any such thing, we look at the 98% voting percentage and draw the obvious conclusion
DanMan on May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM
MSNBC, the home of the Obama circle-jerk…
RedInMD on May 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM
lulz; they think every speech he gives meets that description. Pretty sure these folks are the definition of both ‘sycophant’ and ‘fluffer’.
Midas on May 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM
MSNBC would say the same thing even if shoes were thrown at Obama.
Erich66 on May 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM
*points politely to the “DONT FEED THE TROLLS” sign*
Midas on May 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM
Obama made a speech?
ctmom on May 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM
Was that woman technically a heckler? I mean when you plant the disruption it really isn’t heckling but abetting.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM
I accidentally landed on MSNBC last night during Maddow’s opinion piece on the speech. I had to stay and watch for a few minutes. It was startling the way she was trying to spin it. I believe she said, “Epic!” “Turning Point in History!” or some such nonsense.
Once again, I found myself shaking my head in disbelief.
As a viewer of both Star Wars and Lost, you are still being kind to Obama, lol.
Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Explain why the same percentage constantly votes for any dem be it black or white? Let me guess? Its because blacks want their Obamaphones and gubmit checks right?
Definitely not because your party is anti minority and more importantly anti working man.
HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM
Obama’s BACK!!!
Whooo hooo!!
The oceans are goin’ to lowered…
Clean air and clean water!!
Wow!!!
Hold on..
Got to catch my breath….
The World is going to love us!!!
Electrongod on May 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM
So, if President Barry Smith, Republican from Illinois, was pursuing low-tax, free trade, free market growth policies, if he was fighting for the unborn, if he was appointing originalist judges, if he was separating industry from government rather than uniting the two… if he was doing all these things that we as conservatives expect from our Republican presidents, is it your contention that we would be abusing him on account of his race?
Stop. Just stop. We’d be treating him as the next coming of Reagan.
We abuse him for his inevitable failure that his asinine Leftist policies are delivering to this once great nation. We believe this nation was no better off for electing a black man president, if done only for the sake of electing a black man president. In this case, we are, in fact, demonstrably worse off.
But then, what did anyone expect from a South Side Democrat on the Potomac… black or white?
JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Wow – it was a great speech. Obama wants to do great things as president but it’s too bad that the government is so big and unwieldy that he doesn’t have any responsibility for it.
gwelf on May 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM
How committed are they to going down with the ship? If this presidency ends as it should, in public disgrace and the shattering of the Democratic coalition, will MSNBC share its fate?
Sorry, but I have fantasies of justice.
njcommuter on May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM
Of course Rachel Maddow lauds the Obambi to keep her job.
And then 45 minutes into the show she interviews her Slate buddy who is writing a story and making a movie about a poor poor 16 years old kid killed by an Obama drone and then softly and suddenly Obama really is a pig isn’t he.
She is completely an act and repeats talking points just like Scarborough for a paycheck. Rachel doesn’t like killer drones.
Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM
US drone program
Lawyer leading UN drone inquiry praises speech by President Obama as a ‘significant step towards increased transparency’ – @BBCNews
Submitted 6 hours ago from http://www.bbc.co.uk by editor
==================================================
Full text of Obama’s speech on terrorism released – White House via @AP
Submitted 22 hours ago from bigstory.ap.org by editor
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/text-president-obama-speech-terrorism
==========
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-drone-program
canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM
Please do tell us how well the minority/working man is doing under Obama’s regime.
gwelf on May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM
Define working man for us HAL. Because I get the sense that you pretty much dismiss the majority of producers (i.e. taxpayers) in the number of Americans you think work for a living.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:16 PM
That huddle at the WH :
“No matter what I say in the speech, THIS is how you’ll respond, k ?”
pambi on May 24, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Do they hear things differently?
Because Obama sounded and looked angry, bitter, and showed very little bravado.
portlandon on May 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM
*citation needed
Good Lt on May 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM
I thought it was more like…IRRELEVANT…
Pest on May 24, 2013 at 1:19 PM
That was my thought entirely. I think they thought that if they all cooed loudly enough it would drown out the drumbeat of scandals that are all going on at once.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:19 PM
So,another Speech,and thats all the Community Crock-Stirring
Agitationary Organizer ever does,
and then moves on to another venue,and its Speechification
Speechy all over again,like the movie,
*GroundHog Day*!!
canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM
Valerie trained them well
cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM
sorry
DanMan on May 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM
WILL NO ONE RESCUE THAT POOR CHICKEN????
kim roy on May 24, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Exactly what I was thinking.
MSNBC: “Wow!! aMAZing! Bestest kool-aid EVAH!!” *smacks lips*
Considering she was Media Benjamin of Code Pink, my suspicion is that someone in the penumbra of the White House gave her a call and suggested she might wanna kinda be there, to um, you know, voice her opinions, and do it loud. Because it sounded so darn contrived and convenient. She’s screaming about closing Gitmo, so he can conveniently say, “hey lady, I’m doing it as fast as I can.”
It wouldn’t surprise me if she was a plant–if the IRS can plant a question to start a controversy, why not Der Leader?
theotherone on May 24, 2013 at 1:30 PM
This has little to do with a policy disagreement. Obama has been the most hated president by the billies since this country’s founding. You all disagreed with Clinton when he was president and never once did we see this kind of vitriol towards him.
Go to any tea billy rally and see the signs they carry. Go back to Kenya! Muslim President! Show us your birth certificate! Very little to do with policy differences.
HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Desperate troll is desperate.
kim roy on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM
I guess when comparing BS to BS it was probably some of his best BS.
iceman1960 on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Can’t wait to hear what laurels MSNBC will be heaping on to The One’s next utterings.
WestTexasBirdDog on May 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Thanks so much for illustrating perfectly why O’bama lost the college graduate vote in 2012, and won only by increasing his share of the high school dropout vote from 70% to 80%.
As for the Republicans being “anti=minority”, years before your parents were even born the first modern-day African American US Senator was sworn in. Republican Edward Brooke. He was there at the same time as your Party’s senior statesman Bobby “Sheets” Byrd, who was a Keagle in the KKK.
As for “working man”, tell us again why the unemployment rate (especially among minorities) is much higher now than it was when Chimpy Bush was in office.
F-
Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM
I’m not old enough to know… Did the press say that about Nixon’s checkers speech?
Skywise on May 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Sure we did. But since you were in diapers back then, you were too young to remember it.
Clinton was called a murderer, and any search on the Democrat Search Engine Google will produce plenty of results. He was also accused of being a drug runner (see “Mena”), and even an undercover CIA agent (see “Mena”).
BTW, we impeached Clinton. We haven’t impeached O’bama. So using your own “logic”, we’re giving O’bama a better shake than we gave Clenis.
A+
Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 1:38 PM
MSDNC is becoming a parody of itself, assuming that’s possible.
farsighted on May 24, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Wait, Obama gave a speech yesterday? Does He know He gave a speech yesterday?
CJ on May 24, 2013 at 1:42 PM
That is a pole vault bar lying on the ground. It is the only way he can get over it.
chemman on May 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM
It was televised?
FIFY
talkingpoints on May 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM
It WAS one of his best speeches. He promised to drone less, which I interpret to mean he won’t be giving as many speeches. I can’t complain about that.
The Rogue Tomato on May 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM
I have asked this question before, and I have to ask it again!
Who the hell actually watches MSNBC? And why do some companies insist on sponsoring this joke of a network to begin with?
pilamaye on May 24, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Been to many TEA party rallies, have you? Or are you merely engaging in rectal speak?
As usual…
JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:46 PM
The same Nobel Peace Prize he was nominated for even before he won the Democratic Party nomination for president.
ButterflyDragon on May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM
I don’t think I’ve told you, but I’m a fan of your zingers.
Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Oh, look. HA’s dumbest lowest IQ troll is putting in an extended appearance instead of doing a drive-by.
To put its comments in perspective…
Enjoy the show.
farsighted on May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Hilarious. I bet their 12 viewers were impressed, too.
I refuse to look – did they have a screenshot of his prom pictures up too? Or is that only on their bedroom ceilings?
ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Quit melding the Lyndon LaRouche people in with the tea party. Yes, the LaRouche nutjobs always show up to the tea party events, but they have nothing in common with them.
ButterflyDragon on May 24, 2013 at 1:49 PM
You and your ilk refuse to criticize a black man because a he’s black, so who’s the racists? Look in the mirror a$$hole.
jawkneemusic on May 24, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Yeah. We only impeached him.
And I have yet to see a ChimpyMc
BushObamaHitler call sign yet.Although maybe it’s about time…
JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM
The standard for vitriol against presidents was set by people like you HAL against Reagan and then again against Bush II.
chemman on May 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Hope they all brought a change of clothes.
Orgasms can get messy.
fogw on May 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM
This speech was historic. Yeah, historically bad.
RDE2010 on May 24, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Hey, I liked “Star Wars”. Well not I, II or III and VI wasn’t all that great with that teddy bear picnic. “Lost” had great looking woman. Come on, did anyone really watch it for the story? That’s like saying you read girly mags for the articles.
Dr. Frank Enstine on May 24, 2013 at 1:58 PM
MSNBC consensus:
Pom Poms sold separately.
ToddPA on May 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM
They swallow every utterance, so no worries.
MarkT on May 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM
What a MORON!
98% of blacks voted for Obama based on NOTHING BUT race. Including you. A simple Google search is all it takes to enlighten you. Oh and I meant enlighten in the literary sense just in case you racist mindset starts playing tricks on you again.
HotAirian on May 24, 2013 at 2:06 PM
“billies”
Racist much jerk?
and the plain fact is, if blacks weren’t so stuck in the universe of victim, they’d be able to see beyond the color of the person we’re talking about..
why the rest of America knows Obama could confess to, provide video of being an ax murderer on the next State of the Union and democrat blacks would still call outrage about it racist.
Still check the race of the reporter..
left wing black.. ok..
nonpartisan white…. mummble.. mummble … Hiiissssss RACIST!…
You are the victim of your own petty hatreds of whites, of Asians.. ANY race other than your own. The DNC has spent decades in urban schools teaching black democrats to see race under every leaf, every blade of grass.. so you CAN’T see anything else.
worse.. you don’t want too.
You don’t get, working class whites are no more connected than you are, and STILL you blame us for every failure, every misery. My family never owned slaves.. sent six men to fight in Union Blue.. I haven’t done anything to you.. to your family.. and none of us has..
That generation passed a long time ago.. but you blame the grandchildren of your ancestors enemies as if we had anything to do with it. You see white skin.. or republicans.. and ramble off every possible accusation, mindless, irrational.. the ones fixated on race are the Obama sycophants who see his skin tone only.. and decide there could never be any other reason as you blindly ignore his past, his own words.
So blind, so suck in your eternal quest to blame the white devil “billie”.. you can’t even see how the racism exposed is your own.
and claiming we never went after Clinton?
are you really going to stick with that? we impeached him.. questioned HIS many scandals.. but your own petty little ego can’t accept we’d go after a “white” president..
wow… just.. wow.
buy a mirror chump.. your own petty bigotry is showing.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 2:09 PM
A Peace Prize to a man that has a Drone War going on in 20 Muslim countries.
faraway on May 24, 2013 at 2:12 PM
If the brown-nosers at MSNBC get any further up in there, we’re going to have to install an oxygen tube. lol
How sad was that “mash-up” clip? Wow.
Murf76 on May 24, 2013 at 2:13 PM
The media is becoming like the battered wife in an abusive marriage. All the media wants is Obama to tell them he loves them…and they’ll believe it.
MadisonConservative on May 24, 2013 at 2:19 PM
You am talk funny.
itsspideyman on May 24, 2013 at 2:24 PM
When you are referring to a mediocre president, ‘his best’ doesn’t mean very much.
zoyclem on May 24, 2013 at 2:26 PM
Only they and their 6 viewers actually believe that.
Cherokee on May 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Oh I see…you call out others for bigotry while demonstrating your own. I guess we should think of you as one of those ‘enlightened bigots’.
zoyclem on May 24, 2013 at 2:33 PM
He’s the female version of Rachael Madcow.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Nice!.. I like that one.. :-)
Al Hall on May 24, 2013 at 2:37 PM
Get your head out of your six o clock. The commenter you replied to called MSNBC racists and did not mention OBUMMER’s race.
hamradio on May 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM
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