Rand Paul to give tea-party group’s response to State of the Union after Rubio delivers GOP’s

posted at 5:08 pm on February 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

Not unusual but still significant. Paul’s delivered his own SOTU rebuttal each year since joining the Senate. The Tea Party Express has sponsored a SOTU rebuttal each year during the same period, with Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain having done the honors in 2011 and 2012, respectively. The news here isn’t that they’re hooking up, it’s that someone of Paul’s national prominence and ambition is upstaging another nationally prominent, ambitious colleague at a moment when the party’s trying to leave him alone in the spotlight.

This rivalry’s been brewing for awhile in various ways but I can’t recall a clearer expression of it than this.

Paul will make his remarks soon after Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, wraps up the GOP response Tuesday night, a Paul spokeswoman confirms to CNN.

“We are giving a voice to the tea party movement when the mainstream media and the Republican establishment wants to write us off as dead,” said Amy Kremer, chairman of the Tea Party Express…

“We expect many of our supporters and many of Rand Paul’s supporters, freedom loving, liberty loving Americans to be there because this is our time to be heard,” Kremer said. “We are proud that Marco Rubio is giving the official Republican Party response because he is a tea party conservative and one of our own. But the Republican Party doesn’t necessarily speak for all conservatives and the tea party movement has its own voice and this is our chance to be heard.”

The temptation is to call Rubio the loser in this deal because he’s being upstaged. Is he, though? He’s been inching away from the tea-party label since literally the moment he became a senator. According to a CNN poll taken shortly after the election, the TP’s favorable rating is 32/50. Part of the reason he’s taken up immigration reform enthusiastically is because it lets him show centrists ahead of 2016 that he’s not the “hardline conservative” or whatever that he was sporadically billed as being circa 2010. Having Paul deliver the “official” tea-party SOTU response only underscores that. You can see both of their 2016 primary strategies shaping up here: Paul will run to the right while he tries to build credibility with centrists and Rubio will run a bit further to the center while he tries to maintain his credibility with the right. (Kremer’s approving mention of him in the excerpt suggests he’s doing okay with that — so far.) The real losers here are Paul Ryan and Jindal, who risk being marginalized if the party starts to get caught up in a Rubio/Paul rivalry.

Exit question: In what meaningful ways will Paul’s “tea party” address sharply differ from Rubio’s official GOP response?


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Exposes Rubio, the former tea party wunderkind, to be a turncoat.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:10 PM

nothing wrong with a little healthy competition as long as they aren’t aiming at each other

commodore on February 8, 2013 at 5:10 PM

I was against this when Bachmann did it but now I’m not sure.

We’re going to be so screwed by 2016 that any chance we have to get in front of the people is a positive.

Maybe the “rivalry” will get people to tune in and listen to both of them.

gophergirl on February 8, 2013 at 5:12 PM

“We are giving a voice to the tea party movement when the mainstream media and the Republican establishment wants to write us off as dead,” said Amy Kremer, chairman of the Tea Party Express…

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:12 PM

The more the merrier, I say.

Christien on February 8, 2013 at 5:12 PM

We are proud that Marco Rubio is giving the official Republican Party response because he is a tea party conservative

Nah, he’s not.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Buddha!!!!

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

The temptation is to call Rubio the loser in this deal because he’s being upstaged. Is he, though? He’s been inching away from the tea-party label since literally the moment he became a senator.

Instant squish, Bush Jr.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Atleast he’ll give it in English.

portlandon on February 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Hey, if the future of the GOP is going to be moved in the direction of either of those two men, then we’ve made great strides ove the past few years. Really, I see this as a win win.

Weight of Glory on February 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:10 PM

All politicians are opportunists.

stvnscott on February 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Bring it!

KCB on February 8, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I sure hope he delivers it in Spanish, otherwise we’re doomed!!!!!!

xblade on February 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

The temptation is to call Rubio the loser in this deal because he’s being upstaged. Is he, though? He’s been inching away from the tea-party label since literally the moment he became a senator.

Allah thank you for reminding folks this. Allah!!!!!

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

I’ll be listening to Paul.

Mr. Arrogant on February 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

The news here isn’t that they’re hooking up, it’s that someone of Paul’s national prominence and ambition is upstaging another nationally prominent, ambitious colleague at a moment when the party’s trying to leave him alone in the spotlight.

Yep. it’s increasingly clear the Tea Party (and probably the conservative base) is beginning to break away from the Republicans. You have Steve King running against Karl Rove and now you have Rand Paul doing a rebuttal separately from the Republicans. The conflict is starting to come into the open now.

Doomberg on February 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Ryan and Rubio are coming off as progressive republicans. Ryan’s record is atrocious.

Rand Paul has been impressive lately. If he keeps it up and doesn’t get co-opted by the progressives like the other two then he really can be the future.

Chubbs65 on February 8, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Exit question: In what meaningful ways will Paul’s “tea party” address sharply differ from Rubio’s official GOP response?

Extremely clever and million dollars question.

The other question is “whom will the majority of the public believe/trust more?”

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM

“We are proud that Marco Rubio is giving the official Republican Party response because he is a tea party conservative and one of our own.

Uh – no. Rubio belongs to the GOP establishment – he is their progressive savior, or something.

Pork-Chop on February 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Think about it. The “battle” will be between two very articulate Tea Party guys.

Weight of Glory on February 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Rock the house Rand !!!!

jake-the-goose on February 8, 2013 at 5:19 PM

I sure hope he delivers it in Spanish, otherwise we’re doomed!!!!!!

xblade on February 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Heh, Obama will deliver his in Austrian.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:19 PM

We are proud that Marco Rubio is giving the official Republican Party response because he is a tea party conservative and one of our own.

Lie of the year

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:20 PM

.

Exit question: In what meaningful ways will Paul’s “tea party” address sharply differ from Rubio’s official GOP response?

I don’t think it’ll be much, but if I had to guess I’d say that Rubio will have a much more “pragmatic” tone with highlights of philosophy where Paul’s will favor philosophy as a guide to one pragmatism. Again, win win really, and I’d love for our nation to see on our side a healthy debate between two young thinkers who both value freedom and liberty over government expansion.

Weight of Glory on February 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Forget about f***ing winning in 2016 if you want to turn every f***ing thing into a civil war among Republicans…

Allapundit… Your specialty is posting Obama is the invincible… and civil war among Republicans…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Taking this one and a few previous posts, is this Rove’s brain?

“We start progressive and try to be conservative; we can only be as conservative as the electorate will allow us while still giving us power; the Tea Party might be hard-core conservatism, but it’s not electable; in order to maintain power as the country moves left, we have to ditch the Tea Party; there’s no possibility of maintaining power in the future with a huge Mexican voting block without the GOP being significantly more progressive than the Tea Party.” — etc?

Axe on February 8, 2013 at 4:46 PM

^ Sumnabatch.

Axe on February 8, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Now is the time for girding loins.

Very exciting.

Axe on February 8, 2013 at 5:23 PM

One segment here

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Allapundit… Your specialty is posting Obama is the invincible… and civil war among Republicans…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Yea, AP, you civil-war-mongering editor, you!!!

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Guys, it’s time to be smarter and stop with the circular firing squad. How did the crypto-socialist get elected twice? By distancing himself from his previous associations which served him well in the South Side. Ayers and the like. Beating Hillary will not be that easy and we can’t afford to shrink our tent seeing as we can’t seem to win a popular vote these days. Rubio is hopefully a clever man. Dems win by blindly voting for Obama despite how horrible he is for blacks and human rights. If we want to win, we have to do the same. Our system favors cynical moves like this, and rewards armies of brain-dead voters.

xuyee on February 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The real losers here are Paul Ryan and Jindal, who risk being marginalized if the party starts to get caught up in a Rubio/Paul rivalry.

I’m actually starting to think that Ryan doesn’t want to be President. He seems really happy to be back with his charts explaining the minutiae of the budget. Jindal does but he has huge charisma problems. And there is not much difference in policy between the three. I’m not sure what those three would debate in a primary.. Whose spotify playlist is better?

Paul will never win the nomination because of his crazy father.

Illinidiva on February 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM

I love this civil war. Let the weasels be exposed, to a tea.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Rubio will run a bit further to the center while he tries to maintain his credibility with the right.”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

hahahahaha… this is so effed up, all I can do is laugh. Rubio is way left of a RINO. He is the great bloated Rove establishment hope. Kiss his a$$ goodbye. The pub party is over. Just so over.

fabrexe on February 8, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Allahpundit…

You need to create a section called “Obama the Invincible” and another section called “The Republican civil war”… You seem to love writing about these subjects even though most of the crap you post is way over exaggerated and you put your twisted and convoluted analysis on it…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Rand Paul to give tea-party group’s response

YES!

Rubio and Paul fire back.

Rightonrightonrighton.

petefrt on February 8, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Exit question: In what meaningful ways will Paul’s “tea party” address sharply differ from Rubio’s official GOP response?

I’d bet he calls out both Obama and Rubio (albeit not by name) on drone strikes on US citizens…

JohnGalt23 on February 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Guys, it’s time to be smarter and stop with the circular firing squad. How did the crypto-socialist get elected twice? By distancing himself from his previous associations which served him well in the South Side. Ayers and the like. Beating Hillary will not be that easy and we can’t afford to shrink our tent seeing as we can’t seem to win a popular vote these days. Rubio is hopefully a clever man. Dems win by blindly voting for Obama despite how horrible he is for blacks and human rights. If we want to win, we have to do the same. Our system favors cynical moves like this, and rewards armies of brain-dead voters.

xuyee on February 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I totally agree but many f***ing bloggers on our side salivate of the idea of civil war among Republicans… I am not saying choose one guy now and follow him blindly… However enough with over exaggerating every issue to make it a Republican civil war…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM

The Tea Party Express has sponsored a SOTU rebuttal each year during the same period, with Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain having done the honors in 2011 and 2012, respectively.

Rand Paul will fit right in.

Mark1971 on February 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Paul will never win the nomination because of his crazy father.

Illinidiva on February 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM

As opposed to Obama’s father?

Or GWB’s?

Or Bill Clinton’s?

Or Ronald Reagan’s?

Seriously?

JohnGalt23 on February 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM

I love this civil war. Let the weasels be exposed, to a tea.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:27 PM

And your real enemies are laughing… the communists are laughing… … and you people are acting as their useful idiots…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Paul will never win the nomination because of his crazy father.

Illinidiva on February 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Why do you discriminate against crazy dads?

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Hey, if the future of the GOP is going to be moved in the direction of either of those two men, then we’ve made great strides ove the past few years. Really, I see this as a win win.

Weight of Glory on February 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

I agree.

KickandSwimMom on February 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM

How did the crypto-socialist get elected twice?

xuyee on February 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The GOP trashed its brand by going damn near whole-hog in for a misbegotten, unpopular, and ultimately fruitless war in Iraq?

JohnGalt23 on February 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Looking forward to Rand’s response! Me no comprende Spanish so will skip Rubio.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Rand Paul has 5 times the chance of being nominated then his father. 5×0=0

Come on Allah

Flapjackmaka on February 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM

And your real enemies are laughing… the communists are laughing… … and you people are acting as their useful idiots…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM

They laugh with good reason. The US deserves to be laughed at, from all sides. Idiots from both sides brought the US to this state.

Get a hold of yourself. Today you have typed a few very strange things. You shoot at the wrong targets too.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM

How did the crypto-socialist get elected twice?

xuyee on February 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The GOP trashed its brand by going damn near whole-hog in for a misbegotten, unpopular, and ultimately fruitless war in Iraq?

JohnGalt23 on February 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM

More American voters wanted to do America Obama’s way?

Axe on February 8, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Exit question: In what meaningful ways will Paul’s “tea party” address sharply differ from Rubio’s official GOP response?

Well, Rand Paul won’t be giving his speech in Panderish, will he?

VorDaj on February 8, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Paul will never win the nomination because of his crazy father.

Illinidiva on February 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Paul is a great guy and I doubt very much that voters are going to relate him to his father… Obama father was a f***ing communist drunk from Kenya who left him right after he was born…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:37 PM

How did the crypto-socialist get elected twice?

xuyee on February 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

1. The left is derelict, full of latrine rats, moochers and their tyrannical Looters.

2. The right are harlots on the dole too, with a different variety on their menu. Plus, they had a chosen ‘leader’ who had his gonads cut off, or didn’t use them. He never told anyone why they should vote for him, versus against Obama.

Paul Rand actually wants to win. I don’t think he’ll enter the race if he doesn’t want the job.

Rand/West 2016

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:39 PM

They laugh with good reason. The US deserves to be laughed at, from all sides. Idiots from both sides brought the US to this state.

Get a hold of yourself. Today you have typed a few very strange things. You shoot at the wrong targets too.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Stop putting this great country down… Stop putting this greatest country in history down… You need to get over your f***ing depression and join the fight to take on the communists… All what I typed today is RIGHT…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Guys, it’s time to be smarter and stop with the circular firing squad. How did the crypto-socialist get elected twice? By distancing himself from his previous associations which served him well in the South Side. Ayers and the like. Beating Hillary will not be that easy and we can’t afford to shrink our tent seeing as we can’t seem to win a popular vote these days. Rubio is hopefully a clever man. Dems win by blindly voting for Obama despite how horrible he is for blacks and human rights. If we want to win, we have to do the same. Our system favors cynical moves like this, and rewards armies of brain-dead voters.

xuyee on February 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The sad truth of what we’ve come to as a people…

affenhauer on February 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM

More divisive, abject stupidity.

Think about who wins when this happens. Hint; it’s not Republicans.

So Rubio, who was voted into office largely by the Tea Party, now doesn’t speak for us?

I’ve got an idea. Why doesn’t Rand Paul walk down the hall to Rubio’s office and confer on a single response?

My respect for Rand Paul and his leadership skills is waning. If he keeps this up, in another few years he’ll be the Senate Jester like his father was in the House.

Marcus Traianus on February 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM

The “establishment” is going to pick and get behind a candidate. Many of you may not like Rubio all that much, but let’s be honest. For an “establishment” pick, he’s not bad. They could do a lot worse than Rubio (as they proved in 2012). I wouldn’t mind 2016 turning into a battle of Rubio/Paul. Not at all.

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Me no comprende Spanish so will skip Rubio.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM

He’ll deliver it in both languages, fyi.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Weight of Glory on February 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Finally, a voice of reason.

John the Libertarian on February 8, 2013 at 5:41 PM

More divisive, abject stupidity.

Think about who wins when this happens. Hint; it’s not Republicans.

Marcus Traianus on February 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM

It doesn’t have to be decisive. Just be sure to keep Karl Rove associates and advisors away and it will probably be just fine.

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Guys, it’s time to be smarter and stop with the circular firing squad. How did the crypto-socialist get elected twice?

xuyee on February 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Sorry, but when the Republican base began to revolt against Bush in 2006, the leadership refused to respond their concerns and instead reacted with a mixture of fear and hatred and are now attempting to conduct “purges.” Ultimately, if the GOP expects to retain the conservative vote, they’re going to have relearn how to compromise with the base and actually act like they want to oppose the Democrats.

But I don’t think that’s going to happen, so bring on the “circular firing squad.” Best to have it now and get it over with, rather than having the Republicans slowly collapse over the next decade.

Doomberg on February 8, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Again, win win really, and I’d love for our nation to see on our side a healthy debate between two young thinkers who both value freedom and liberty over government expansion.

Weight of Glory on February 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Which is another reason that a 2016 battle between these two wouldn’t be so bad. It wouldn’t turn into a sequel to the Romney initiated flame war of 2012.

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 5:44 PM

So Rubio, who was voted into office largely by the Tea Party, now doesn’t speak for us?

Marcus Traianus on February 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Rubio doesn’t speak for me, that’s for sure. I don’t want to arm Syrian Jihadi’s or amnesty illegal aliens.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Yep. it’s increasingly clear the Tea Party (and probably the conservative base) is beginning to break away from the Republicans. You have Steve King running against Karl Rove and now you have Rand Paul doing a rebuttal separately from the Republicans. The conflict is starting to come into the open now.

Doomberg on February 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Good. About time.

kim roy on February 8, 2013 at 5:45 PM

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Using the f-word doesn’t make your statements any stronger.

I will do as I please. I’m a US American and I will exercise all my rights, so long as I shall live.

Only stupid leftist rats will tell others what to do.

You do your thing and I will fight my way.

My nom and I don’t care one iota what you or anyone thinks about it. I hate squishy Rs more than Obama. Anyone here who pays attention knows what that means.

Other than that YOU need to live 5 more lives before you figure out love for America and what she stands for, for the entire world. Maybe she needs to be nearly desroyed before she wakes up and shines again. As is, she needs to be laughed at. I have the right to say it and all have a right to laugh, or not to laugh.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Why would anyone with any notion to run for President in 2016 expose themselves this early to a Liberal Media Frenzy. If they are not smart enough to figure this out, then they surely will not have my vote.

DDay on February 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM

desroyed = destroyed

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Forget about f***ing winning in 2016 if you want to turn every f***ing thing into a civil war among Republicans…

Allapundit… Your specialty is posting Obama is the invincible… and civil war among Republicans…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM

There is a civil war. The election only brought it out as a lot of people stayed home rather than vote for another RINO.

Let’s not make it 0-3 and deal with this now.

kim roy on February 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Me no comprende Spanish so will skip Rubio.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM

He’ll deliver it in both languages, fyi.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:41 PM

I don’t want to hear it either.

Axe on February 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM

“the greatest country in history” doesn’t bring, then keep a narcissistic charlatanic thug teenager as her Leader and CiC.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:48 PM

He’ll deliver it in both languages, fyi.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:41 PM

I don’t care enough about what Rubio the amnesty and Jihad supporter has to say even once let alone twice.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 5:49 PM

The folks that make up the Republican Party want it divided. They’re actions directly demonstrate this. So spit it shall be until one side becomes dominant. Or may it go the way of the Whigs.

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:49 PM

spit=split

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Using the f-word doesn’t make your statements any stronger.

I will do as I please. I’m a US American and I will exercise all my rights, so long as I shall live.

Only stupid leftist rats will tell others what to do.

You do your thing and I will fight my way.

My nom and I don’t care one iota what you or anyone thinks about it. I hate squishy Rs more than Obama. Anyone here who pays attention knows what that means.

Other than that YOU need to live 5 more lives before you figure out love for America and what she stands for, for the entire world. Maybe she needs to be nearly desroyed before she wakes up and shines again. As is, she needs to be laughed at. I have the right to say it and all have a right to laugh, or not to laugh.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Good thing that you live in the Greatest Country in history where your opinion is not censored and your not killed or put in jail for saying it… But yet you do not see the Irony of stating your freedom of speech and putting down the Great Country in the world that gives you such rights… That is exactly what the Left do… I am not ordering you to say or do anything so do not play the VICTIM role which is apparently the preferred character of those who claim to be the most conservative… Always whining and bitching and playing the VICTIM role as being picked upon by the evil Republican establishment…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Rand Paul hará la respuesta del Partido de Té al Estado de la Unión después de que Rubio haga la del Gran Viejo Partido

steebo77 on February 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Maybe Rand P. will run 3rd party.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Next I want to hear the Gurner Society’s representative give the liberal re-response to Paul and Rubio. So there.

jake49 on February 8, 2013 at 5:52 PM

For the record so no one hear misunderstands. I have no loyalty to brand or Party. I choose that which suits me.

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Exposes Rubio, the former tea party wunderkind, to be a turncoat.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Lame. Sure, Rubio got elected by Tea Party support – but he is a United States Senator for the state of Florida, not a United States Senator for the Tea Party. Blind loyalty to a movement is foolish. Rubio is acting spot on. Once in office a leader should lead, not constantly represent a partisan campaign. He has yet to turn on any Tea Party principals, and thus is acting on the things he was elected to do. And don’t give me the immigration b.s. The Tea Party was never about immigration. If that is what the Tea Party is going to hit him on, then the Tea Party as it once was is dead, as it will no longer be a fiscal movement.

This is nothing but bad for Paul. He’s adding himself to a list of self promoters that includes Cain and Bachmann. Good luck winning an election with the crazy label.

I was a big fan of the Tea Party when it first started in 2009. I’ve hated it since it became a vehicle for self promotion utilized by the likes of Bachmann, Palin and Cain. None of them has ever shown an interest in true leadership for the entire country. Just in getting their name out their to drive up book sales, radio, or reality tv ratings. I still hold true to all the principles that I held in 2009, but the Tea Party has proven to be a group of far too easily taken advantage of people. The self promoters have done more damage to the limited government movement than Barack Obama ever had to.

eski502 on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Forget about f***ing winning in 2016 if you want to turn every f***ing thing into a civil war among Republicans…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM

We already are going to lose 2016, the two frontrunners (Jeb and Rubio) big plans are to mint 12 to 30 million new Democrat voters! The party leadership has reacted to the 2012 defeat not by soul-searching and seeking some accommodation of the party base. Instead they are frantically purging the party of their perceived enemies, and desperately trying to avoid their share of the blame for Romney’s defeat.

The civil war is already here. Wake up.

Doomberg on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM

I must say, a Rubio vs. Paul primary season appeals to me much more than Romney vs. Perry/Cain/Gingrich/Santorum/Bachmann.

steebo77 on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Why are we already getting sold these two when Governors of several states will be much more qualied to be the US CEO than a damn one term do nothing senator?

Doomsday on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Maybe Rand P. will run 3rd party.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM

At this juncture I would vote for him over any Establishment R. This includes voting for Buddha over Rubio.

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:54 PM

I should add, this is great for Rubio. It pits him agains Paul, and pushes the rest of the field out of the picture. If the next 4 years can stay that way he’ll easily beat Paul for the nomination.

eski502 on February 8, 2013 at 5:54 PM

If the “establishment” doesn’t get behind Rubio, it might get behind Christie. Or similar. I think I’d prefer they get behind Rubio.

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM

*It makes me feel a little sick thinking about it. It’s capitulation in a grand, theatrical way.

Maybe Rand P. will run 3rd party.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM

And lose. :) I wonder if the other side wants that? Those guys opposite me. They want to force the break, hold on to the party, and end the Tea Party insurrection once and for all. Sort of get them all into their own bucket and then leave the whole bucket behind.

Axe on February 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Maybe Rand P. will run 3rd party.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:51 PM

If Republicans allow gun-control or Amnesty to pass he might not have a choice but to run 3rd party if he wants to be a viable candidate. The Republican Party will be zombie, at best, at that point.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 5:56 PM

eski502 on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM

You see the Tea Party as monolithic. It is not. The R’s will never win another election without having these folks on board. They are not controlled as it sounds you would have them be. Your wish for the death is not granted but duly noted.

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Axe on February 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM

It is the job of a strong/principled leader to unite his/her followers.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 5:58 PM

We already are going to lose 2016, the two frontrunners (Jeb and Rubio) big plans are to mint 12 to 30 million new Democrat voters! The party leadership has reacted to the 2012 defeat not by soul-searching and seeking some accommodation of the party base. Instead they are frantically purging the party of their perceived enemies, and desperately trying to avoid their share of the blame for Romney’s defeat.

The civil war is already here. Wake up.

Doomberg on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM

You already gave up on winning and we are four years away from 2016… Stop playing the VICTIM card here and putting every ill under the sun on the Republican establishment…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 5:58 PM

eski502 on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM

You see the Tea Party as monolithic. It is not. The R’s will never win another election without having these folks on board. They are not controlled as it sounds you would have them be. Your wish for the death is not granted but duly noted.

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I don’t wish for the Tea Party’s death. I loved the Tea Party. It is dead, though, until it finds leaders to push to its front that aren’t out for their own self gain. Throw Ted Cruz to the front and you’ll have my faith back.

eski502 on February 8, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Axe on February 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM

If winning elections was the only thing, then I would lie, steal and cheat. In other words I would be a Dim.

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 5:59 PM

If the “establishment” doesn’t get behind Rubio, it might get behind Christie. Or similar. I think I’d prefer they get behind Rubio.

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM

If the GOP picks Rubio or Christie I’ll be voting 3rd party and don’t care which one they pick.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 6:00 PM

This is nothing but bad for Paul. He’s adding himself to a list of self promoters that includes Cain and Bachmann. Good luck winning an election with the crazy label.

eski502 on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PMeski502 on February 8, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Lame. And decisive. And unhelpful.

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 6:00 PM

If the GOP picks Rubio or Christie I’ll be voting 3rd party and don’t care which one they pick.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Rubio is nowhere near as bad as Christie. And probably won’t go nuclear on his Republican primary opponents, the free markets, and individualism like Christie will (and Romney did).

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 6:02 PM

eski502 on February 8, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Ted Cruz is as welcomed as any to front for tea. The list may be growing shorter. We never had a front man to begin with. Its makes no matter to me if we have one ever.

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Will be listening attentively.

Jeddite on February 8, 2013 at 6:03 PM

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I respectfully disagree with your appraisal of Rubio.

FloatingRock on February 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Under Rubio we would have a pandering Republican party that is a sarcasm, a burlesque, but we would have no such thing as a real opposition party with a true American conscience. Politically the Republican party would just be a joke.

VorDaj on February 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Too much professional organization contaminates the tea. As it has the two Partys R and D alike.

Bmore on February 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM

i feel uncomfortable with anyone who thinks they speak for the tea party, as if they are the leader. it’s not an official party, it’s a movement that is supposed to have no true “leaders.” although if it did become a real party, i wouldn’t mind… =)

Sachiko on February 8, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Rubio is nowhere near as bad as Christie.

besser tot als rot on February 8, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Maybe not yet, but look at the trend line.

VorDaj on February 8, 2013 at 6:06 PM

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