Quotes of the day

posted at 9:21 pm on February 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

A proposal to give federal judges a direct role in the nation’s drone campaign gained new momentum this week with a signal from senior lawmakers that they intend to consider creating a special court to oversee the selection of targets for lethal strikes.

But the idea, cited by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), among others, as a way to impose new accountability on the drone program, faces significant legal and logistical hurdles, according to U.S. officials and legal experts.

Among the main obstacles is almost certain opposition from the executive branch to a dilution of the president’s authority to protect the country against looming threats. Others include the difficulty of putting judges in position to approve the killing of individuals — possibly including American citizens — even if they have not been convicted of a crime.

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“Having the executive be the prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner is very contrary to laws and traditions of this country,” King told Brennan. King suggested that the court would involve a “FISA-type process,” referring to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the secret court that considers requests for surveillance against people who are suspected of working for foreign governments. “At least that would be some check on the activities of the executive.” The days, weeks, and months-long process of determining whether someone can be targeted, King suggested, meant that targeted killing was not like soldiers shooting each other on a traditional battlefield and should be subjected to some form of judicial accountability.

Brennan was negative to non-committal, telling King that although the idea was “worthy of discussion,” that courts were traditionally used for adjudicating guilt or innocence, not to prevent the sort of “imminent” threat Brennan claims lethal force is reserved for. A recently leaked Department of Justice memo on targeted killing, however, defines “imminence” as membership in a terrorist organization, not necessarily involvement in an unfolding plot that threatens American lives. Nor are courts used solely to adjudicate guilt—King noted that judges also approve warrants.

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Some judges want absolutely nothing to do with this. Not that this is dispositive. But I was struck by what recently-retired District Judge John Robertson (D.D.C.) had to say when this came up at an ABA panel we were on a few months ago (the audio is here, and the statement came toward the very end if I recall correctly). Though very much a judge associated with the view that the judiciary plays a critical role in checking the executive in national security-related litigation (the topic of our panel), he made very clear his hostility to the idea of judicial involvement in death warrants. (And that’s without considering the possibility of warrant-issuing judges finding themselves the object of suit or prosecution abroad.) Of course, other judges could feel differently. But at any rate, the anecdote contributes to my next point…

A core benefit to judicial review, presumably, is that judges might detect and reject weak evidentiary arguments for targeting particular persons. I wouldn’t bet on that occurring often, however. Judges famously tend to defer to the executive branch when it comes to factual judgments on matters of military or national-security significance. I’ve argued that they should not always do so, but that doesn’t mean they won’t. Especially when the stakes are as high as they will be represented to be in such cases.

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Machiavelli tells us that men are venal self-deceivers, but then he gives his Prince permission to do all these monstrous things, trusting him not to get carried away or turn into a monster himself.

Our founders were more careful. Our founders understood that leaders are as venal and untrustworthy as anybody else. They abhorred concentrated power, and they set up checks and balances to disperse it.

Our drone policy should take account of our founders’ superior realism. Drone strikes are so easy, hidden and abstract. There should be some independent judicial panel to review the kill lists. There should be an independent panel of former military and intelligence officers issuing reports on the program’s efficacy.

If you take Machiavelli’s tough-minded view of human nature, you have to be brutal to your enemies — but you also have to set up skeptical checks on the people you empower to destroy them.

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It should be clear by now that President Obama and his terrorism advises are hypocrites. When they campaigned for office, they claimed that the Bush Administration had violated the Constitution and trampled individual rights in its quest to stop terrorist attacks. Now we have an administration that keeps Guantanamo Bay open, keeps military commissions running, continues terrorist surveillance, and regularly drops drone missiles. But I’m glad they are hypocrites, because they chose to keep the policies that have kept us safe these 11 years instead of sticking to their misguided principles. If the Obama folks ever had the good graces to thank President Bush, I am sure he would say “[you're] welcome.”

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“This controversy is not going away,” Schultz, a critic of the administration’s drone program, said. “The boundaries of transparency are still undefined.”

Yet in a survey of his (reliably liberal) viewers, 78 percent said they agreed with “the policy of targeted killing of American citizens.”

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“I voted for President Obama because I trust his values and his judgment, and I believe that he is a fundamentally responsible actor,” she added. “Without gratuitously slamming ex-President Bush, I think he displayed extraordinary lapses in judgment in executing his primary responsibility as commander-in-chief, and put troops in harm’s way imprudently.”

“President Obama would have exercised better judgment and he has exercised better judgment,” Ball said. “What would George W. Bush do? That’s our standard? We would never allow a power to the presidency that we wouldn’t feel comfortable giving to George W. Bush?”…

“Do you feel the same about George W. Bush having the nuclear codes as you do about President Obama?” Ball asked in conclusion. “Call me a hypocrite, but I sure don’t.”

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Via the Daily Caller.


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John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:33 AM

lolz..Good deal!..Let’s pass it on to our children and we will have completed the circle..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 AM

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Thanks for the link friend..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Goodnight, Dire!

John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Holy BOINK:

Moscow Shaker:

Carry On,…….Night once again Patriots:)

Update: Tremors were felt in central Moscow, prompting some people to evacuate from buildings – @AP

Submitted 5 mins ago by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 2:50 AM

John the Libertarian on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 AM

It has been my honor..Good night..:)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 3:06 AM

Bureaucrats NEVER unilaterally undertake illegal, politically explosive operations.

The day before the IRS started attacking Americans in a bid to deny them their 1st amendment rights, Obama met at the WH with the rabidly anti-Tea Party president of the National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley. Kelley’s Union has inordinate influence within the IRS. Their meeting was not coincidental. They did not meet to exchange recipes…

The organization True the Vote was attacked by the IRS, FBI, ATF and OSHA. That degree of coordination comes from the WH. True the Vote is a Texas based organization seeking non-profit status. It’s focus is voter verification. It’s founder worked at voting stations and was appalled at the amount of voter fraud she witnessed in 2009.

True the Vote was targeted because it threatened to derail attainment of the left’s goal; Texas’ electoral college votes moving into the democrat column would guarantee effective one-party rule in America. This bid to deny American’s their 1st amendment rights came straight from Obama. Only ideological apologists and the willfully obtuse can deny it. Obama’s handprints are all over the greatest political scandal in American history.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 4:27 AM

MUST-SEE VIDEO AT BREITBART:

Wow… Just. Effin’. Wow.

<a href="http://“>Senator Obama calls for the Attorney General to step down

PointnClick on May 24, 2013 at 5:28 AM

good morning HA crew!

hope all is well for our HA family in seattle, wow just heard about the bridge collapse on I5….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Happy Friday, fave morning person!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Obama’s previously unreported speech:

Good evening fellow travelers. Allah be with you all. Jihad is working, my Muslim brothers and sisters. We need a little more time. We have three and a half years. The national debt of the Great Satan is growing. By the end of my term America will be on her knees. We are counterfeiting American currency as fast as we can. Future generations of the Infidel will be weak and broken. Allah Akbar. Death to America. I am doing my best with Marxism. There is resistance. Well, there is no resistance from the Democrats–not surprising. We are dumbing down the children of the Infidel as fast as we can. We have full control of the public schools. We have the media. We have Hollywood. We have the unions. We are in control. America will be dead in ten years. Allah is smiling on us.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:36 AM

aw shucks

morning Liam :)

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

+1

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:40 AM

morning Liam :)

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Whatever it is, it’s going to suck. Liberals can’t be any other way.

Hey — Did you see the Weiner thread? If you want a long laugh, the puns were flying! I bookmarked it.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM

when dear leader makes eric holder investigate eric holder something is seriously wrong….will the lsm actually question this or just let it go with dear leader is showing leadership, he’s awesome!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM

i did….as Ed said Drudge won the day for internet headlines…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM

he’s awesome!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Much the same way as a pothead saying, “I took an awesome sh*t this morning!”

Sorry that I’m not impressed.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

nyt praising dear leader’s terrorism speech…it was awesome, one of his best and the mj crew agrees natch

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

yup

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

i did….as Ed said Drudge won the day for internet headlines…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Our fellows, with all their puns, had me in stitches for more than an hour. I’m a fiend for puns, and they had me laughing so hard I could barely type.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:49 AM

:) HA rocks!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

:) HA rocks!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

To be sure!

Except for the trolls.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Happy Friday, y’all!

I don’t look to a man to get pride in myself. It’s not about having a black president, it’s about having a good president, and I think that’s the most important thing.

Lt. Col. Allen West

Obama Runs the Ol’ Bait ‘n Switch “Oh, Look…Squirrel!” My take.

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

great take KJ :)

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again? He’ll never expect it!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

mj crew following the squirrel this am KJ..only wants to talk about his speech…most important speech evah!!

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Now that it’s Friday, how about you kidnap hubby again. He’ll never expect it!

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM

can’t this weekend…family stuff going on

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:04 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Too bad Caesar’s Resorts no longer exist.

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM

so do we have a pool going for what the 5pm friday afternon news dump is going to be? its a holiday weekend so who knows what they’ll drop

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Lois Lerner, the lying Christian-hating whore, got put on paid administrative leave yesterday so it isn’t that. Nevertheless, my money is on some nagging little detail about the IRS using their authority to smite the enemies of the rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

joe is giddy, ‘this president has changed the structure on the war on terror’

oh yeah kj, they definitely have their squirrel…

Allah, it was a distraction that lasted more than 7 hours my friend….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Liam on May 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM

:)

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

good one…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM

well that was quick…all the hemming and hawing over dear leader’s actions has turned back to a lovefest for him by the lsm…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:28 AM

This is garbage. The Journolisters are defending The Magnificent One. Of Course the Chief Executive is responsible. Suddenly IRS, Justice and WH are losing memory.

Is someone telling me that when Bengazhi was happening, Presedent wasn’t aware. Heck… State was watching it Live.

Keep drilling.

Bengazhi is the biggest Scandal.

antisocial on May 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM

antisocial on May 24, 2013 at 7:30 AM

i guess that little meeting at the wh with the lib press worked…

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

Lois Lerner, the lying Christian-hating whore, got put on paid administrative leave yesterday so it isn’t that. Nevertheless, my money is on some nagging little detail about the IRS using their authority to smite the enemies of the rat-eared coward.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM

You know its really bad news when the Friday News Dump starts on a Thursday or Wednesday… it’s been doing that for three weeks now.

And for the Special Prosecutor deal… well there is a true oversight function by Congress and it is a two-part affair. First is to find out what is going on in agencies and departments. You have to get to the bottom of things and find out what the problem is.

Part two is changing laws and budgets, with the former being the fastest and most effective as you can start axing entire sections of agencies and departments by not funding them and cutting personnel right out of the budget. If the R’s were smart and went back to the right way to budget, that is by agency or department, then this would be a precise tool to cut out rot and cancer in the government. Instead the multi-agency slush fund approach means that agencies can shift resources between themselves in the slush fund to make up for mandated losses in cash. The personnel part, however, hits no matter what. Congress can start out by saying that for every ‘I don’t know’ or ‘I can’t recall’ or ‘I only became aware of it last week’ they can cut 1% of the budget and personnel from an agency and for every 5th taken that is a 5% reduction: these people are supposed to answer questions to Congress about how they are carrying out the laws MADE by Congress. If the culture is one of deception, then the funding should start to dry up and hard.

Since the House starts the budget and has the purse strings, then that is where it must start and even with the Reidless non-budget agencies and departments look to the House for how they are to use funds. The problem now is Boehner and the House leadership being unwilling to do the hard work of by agency and department funding… which he promised to do leading into 2010 and then dropped the ball on the moment there was a Republican majority. If you want specific powers and functions cut off the place to start is the House and there the Democratic and Republican leadership are unwilling to do that. Once Upon A Time the US Congress used to be jealous of the power it held and keep everyone on a tight leash in the government. This is what happens when they get lazy and try to get the Executive to do their jobs for them.

These Congresscritters VOLUNTEER for their jobs and now seek to excuse not doing it via the abuse of power they have delegated improperly. Even to the dim bulbs lacking enough wattage to even get a glow in their heads, this needs to be stated directly to them: you wanted this job now DO IT AS YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO or QUIT and let the people find someone who is CAPABLE OF DOING IT.

ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM

well said aj

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 7:47 AM

The Republicans We at the heart of low information journalism, The New York Times, are not so much looking for “the truth” as they are looking for a resonant story line

The dumbest coming out of our journalism schools do like to project, don’t they?

MNHawk on May 24, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Interesting post. I found it through a link at Physics Geek’s website:

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/05/18/is-the-irs-scandal-the-worst-political-scandal-in-american-history-i-say-yes/

The absolute worst scandal that’s emerged lately, and the worst administration scandal in American history is the IRS scandal. Why? Because you, the People, became the targets of a comprehensive federal government effort to stifle dissent, one made using the government’s overwhelming and disproportionate policing and taxing powers.

Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Whenever you change the founding principles of an organization you announce it’s doom!

RedLizard64 on May 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM

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