DoJ lawsuit against S&P even sillier than first thought

posted at 8:41 am on February 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

I wrote Tuesday about the hypocrisy and perhaps vindictiveness of the Department of Justice’s lawsuit against ratings agency Standard & Poor’s for rating toxic mortgage-backed securities and their derivatives highly before the housing bubble popped.  Apparently I wasn’t tough enough on … the DoJ.  Bloomberg’s Jonathan Weil explains why the lawsuit isn’t just ill-considered, but downright silly:

Oh, the poor suckers at Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp., fooled about the stench of their own garbage by those sneaky credit raters at Standard & Poor’s.

The U.S. Justice Department made some peculiar allegations in its lawsuit this week against S&P and its parent, McGraw-Hill Cos. According to the government, Citigroup was defrauded by S&P credit ratings on subprime mortgage bonds that Citigroup itself created and sold. Bank of America, too, allegedly was defrauded by S&P in the same way. …

Under the government’s theory, Citigroup and Bank of America paid S&P for ratings that convinced the banks their own CDO offal was rock-solid. And because S&P deceived them into thinking the best of their own rubbish, these banks and other lenders suffered more than $5 billion of investment losses, according to the suit.

No, that’s not a joke.  Weil boils the lawsuit’s raison d’être down to this:

For nine of the CDOs, the government’s complaint listed Citigroup as the harmed investor — without mentioning that Citigroup’s investment-banking division had managed the bonds’ offerings. The complaint identified Bank of America as the defrauded CDO investor in two instances, also without mentioning that its securities unit underwrote those bonds.

It’s a novel concept. If only S&P had given honest opinions to Citigroup and Bank of America — which were paying S&P millions of dollars for ratings — then the banks would have realized they were buying ticking time bombs from themselves. And who knows? Maybe they could have found some other hapless chumps to immolate instead, if S&P had told them in time.

Notably, neither Citi nor BofA are suing S&P over this issue, nor are they talking on the record.  They aren’t the only victims claimed by the DoJ — M&T Bank is also listed, and they didn’t produce any of the products in which they invested.  The fact that none of these entities are pursuing damages from their own bad bets on mortgage-backed securities and their derivatives probably should give a clue as to the validity of the claims being made by the DoJ.

So far, though, it’s just the Obama administration pursuing the rather laughable claim that S&P’s ratings would have made any difference to Citi and BofA on their own products.  Combine that up with the fact that this is the only ratings agency that the DoJ has pursued after the financial collapse in 2008, and it’s the most significant one that downgraded US credit while Obama has been President, and the actual raison d’être seems pretty clear.


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Didn’t he ring this bell during the Fast & Furious hearings as well?

Quisp on May 15, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Yep and probably most every day between them and now. This thug/criminal has that kind of a sense of entitlement.

Happy Nomad on May 15, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Oops. I guess I used a bad word. Sorry.

myiq2xu on May 15, 2013 at 6:45 PM

I agree “Holder” is a vile and disgusting word but in your defense it was hard to avoid there.

SoRight on May 15, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Is this the same Eric Holder that has been held in contempt of Congress..?

d1carter on May 15, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Eric “Fredo Corleone” Holder is smart and wants respect!

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on May 15, 2013 at 7:40 PM

myiq2xu on May 15, 2013 at 6:44 PM

He he, or she, said.

And the same to the trolls.

From this time forward, myiq2xu means…what myiq2xu said.

cozmo on May 15, 2013 at 7:42 PM

There is no justice in the DOJ now..Should be labeled the department of injustice now with Holder in Charge..Man he belongs behind bars a long with his boss!

sadsushi on May 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Was that before your mother “swallowed” or after? Tell us.

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Banhammer?

ShainS on May 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Respect mah authoritah!

What a jack wagon.

Hill60 on May 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Poor loser HAL is to quote John Sununu “struggling” as badly as Angria Mitchell.

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Banhammer?

ShainS on May 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Nope, trolls get more leeway.

cozmo on May 15, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Banhammer?

ShainS on May 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Nope, trolls get more leeway.

cozmo on May 15, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Sorta like illegals?

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 7:50 PM

ShainS on May 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

This appears to be a theme with this commenter, I plan to just watch and enjoy the very public self destruction.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Was that before your mother “swallowed” or after? Tell us.

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM

The best part of you ran down your mommas leg.

portlandon on May 15, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Poor loser HAL is to quote John Sununu “struggling” as badly as Angria Mitchell.

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 7:45 PM

“struggling” as badly as Angria Mitchell trying to find her husband’s lady parts ?

burrata on May 15, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Was that before your mother “swallowed” or after? Tell us.

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM

The best part of you ran down your mommas leg.

portlandon on May 15, 2013 at 7:53 PM

… and ruined the change machine.

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Translation: Who you callin out h o n k e y? Dont you know who I am?

neyney on May 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Okay, HotAirians, don’t play the trolls game. Encourage, don’t emulate.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Sounds like Issa has been pretty successful, he’s certainly gotten into Holder’s head. What an unprofessional performance by DOJ.

obladioblada on May 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM

I’m smart! And I want respect!!

-Fredo Holder

wytshus on May 15, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Okay, HotAirians, don’t play the trolls game. Encourage, don’t emulate.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Yes, mom.

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Tell us.

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Poor HAL stinging from all the abuse.

Yes HAL you are the dumbest poster at HA. Hooray for you.

CW on May 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Sorry, sometimes I can’t help myself.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

I’d love to see his head exploded a la scanners.

tom daschle concerned on May 15, 2013 at 8:06 PM

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Sorry, sometimes I can’t help myself.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

LOL.
No, I agree… sometimes we do need a den mother when we start backhanding HAL or similar Obama cultists.

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I’d love to see his head exploded a la scanners.

tom daschle concerned on May 15, 2013 at 8:06 PM

For Holder it would sound like an empty moonshine jug being uncorked.

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 8:08 PM

LOL.
No, I agree… sometimes we do need a den mother when we start backhanding HAL or similar Obama cultists.

viking01 on May 15, 2013 at 8:07 PM

HAL’s been so eviscerated the last few weeks and then all of this bad news for his boy you haven’t seen his biggest freakout yet. Stay tuned.

CW on May 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Issa should have said “**** you, Mr. Holder.”

myiq2xu on May 15, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Works for me..

but I’m just lower end working poor white trash.. and that carries with it all the brutal lower working class adjectives for a worm whining about respect.. after having shown none.

Holder thinks any non white can stand in a poling place with a club and threaten elderly whites from voting.. no problem at all with it.. and if the panther retards where white he’d have had the FBI shoot them on sight. We have a lunatic fringe liberation theology major as AG, and the F word seems appropriate to the folks tired by being slimed for not being the left’s favored color, or born liberal and rich..

mark81150 on May 15, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Eric Holder thinks he is untouchable because he’s 1/16 black.

VorDaj on May 15, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Stay tuned.

CW on May 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM

I agree, when it happens I hope someone does a screen capture because dollars to donuts I’ll be at work.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Judge Issa does nothing either to advance the values of this country so what is your point?

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Why do I feel dirty just reading that?

BigWyo on May 15, 2013 at 8:22 PM

I didn’t realize that Holder was black. Maybe in his own mind b/c he wants to think so.
…….His parents are from Barbados (both of them)…..which are a combination of Portugese, Spanish, Kalinago(Indian-looking people from S. America), and indigenous Arawakan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados.
.
.

I think what he is an opportunistic liar. Like his half-white boss.

avagreen on May 15, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Judge Issa does nothing either to advance the values of this country so what is your point?

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Why do I feel dirty just reading that?

BigWyo on May 15, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Everyone whose eye fell on it came away 20 IQ pts in deficit.

tom daschle concerned on May 15, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Was that before your mother “swallowed” or after? Tell us.

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Banhammer?

ShainS on May 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM

You must be new here.

kim roy on May 15, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Everyone whose eye fell on it came away 20 IQ pts in deficit.

Even with that we’ve plenty to spare (compared to some, especially).

Bob's Kid on May 15, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Eric Holder thinks he is untouchable because he’s 1/16 black.

VorDaj on May 15, 2013 at 8:19 PM

He qualifies for something. What I dont know, but he qualifies the same as MongBooDoo in Kenya beating paste in a bowl.

johnnyU on May 15, 2013 at 8:52 PM

ostensibly unacceptable behavior.

Erika,

I’m a huge fan. But if I had to have one criticism of your writing (and again, I don’t cause you’re the absolute best) it would be that you overuse the word “ostensibly” a tiny bit.

Might wanna work on that.

righty45 on May 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Was that before your mother “swallowed” or after? Tell us.

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Evening, ass cancer. How’s it going?

arnold ziffel on May 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Eric Holder thinks he is untouchable because he’s 1/16 black.

VorDaj on May 15, 2013 at 8:19 PM

That would be “mocha”.

BobMbx on May 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

My momma always said, “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”.
Holder has had a very successful career being a lying sack of chit.
Just another affirmative action POS.

The 500 meter solution
III/0317

dirtengineer on May 15, 2013 at 9:41 PM

“I am the AG. Show me respect.” – John Ashcroft
“I am the AG. Show me respect.” – Alberto Gonzales
“I am the AG. Show me respect.” – Michael Mukasey
“I am the AG. Show me respect.” – Eric Abortion Holder

At least EAH has a slight sense of self-awareness.

22044 on May 15, 2013 at 9:45 PM

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Evening, ass cancer. How’s it going?

arnold ziffel on May 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

What a great handle, I have to remember that. It’s even better than Hotlips.

slickwillie2001 on May 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM

I didn’t realize that Holder was black. Maybe in his own mind b/c he wants to think so.
…….His parents are from Barbados (both of them)…..which are a combination of Portugese, Spanish, Kalinago(Indian-looking people from S. America), and indigenous Arawakan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados.
.
.

I think what he is an opportunistic liar. Like his half-white boss.

avagreen on May 15, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Interesting, I have always wondered about his genetics because his head looks like a wedge from the side.

slickwillie2001 on May 15, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Holder/Wiener 2016, or maybe Wiener/Holder 2016?

anikol on May 15, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Yep…. eric “i’m smart” holder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GVsRUJEoB8

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 15, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Yep…. eric “i’m smart” holder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GVsRUJEoB8

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 15, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Love that clip. Someone needs to take the last part of the audio and drop it into a video of dingbat Holder testifying in committee.

slickwillie2001 on May 15, 2013 at 11:06 PM

We are the president! – Hilary Clinton

NTxOkie on May 16, 2013 at 1:52 AM

All I see is a White man scolding a Black man.
-Tea Party
portlandon on May 15, 2013 at 6:45 PM

We already know what you see. What I see is a hack politician wasting the Attorney General’s time.

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:01 PM

indeed, think how many media organizations phone records he could have ordered to be seized while he was there, responding to Issa’s disrespectful’ questioning…

jimver on May 16, 2013 at 2:20 AM

I think this clown is a space alien.

I think he’s been purged and dumped on us.

acyl72 on May 16, 2013 at 7:29 AM

Judge Issa does nothing either to advance the values of this country so what is your point?

HotAirLib on May 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Surely you admit that Obama’s DOJ has set a new precedent for AGs, right?

An administration can simply decide that it doesn’t want to support laws that it doesn’t like. So, once a Republican is in office, they can decide which environmental laws to support, etc.

This is how you want the country to operate, right?

blink on May 15, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Where’s the response HAL? This was a real question, you know.
And I notice you, again, admit your side of politics is scum.
You don’t have to use the code words anymore, HAL.
Just go full commie from now on. Your mask fell off a while ago.

Badger40 on May 16, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Holder: “I haven’t been treated with a lot of respect… this isn’t a personal thing, but I am the Attorney General of the United States!”

Of the same ilk as Senator “Don’t Call Me Ma’am” Boxer. Entitlement all ’round.

GWB on May 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Holder: “I haven’t been treated with a lot of respect… this isn’t a personal thing, but I am the Attorney General of the United States!”

Of the same ilk as Senator “Don’t Call Me Ma’am” Boxer. Entitlement all ’round.

GWB on May 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Fredo Corleone: “I want respect”.

slickwillie2001 on May 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Holder: “I haven’t been treated with a lot of respect… this isn’t a personal thing, but I am the Attorney General of the United States!”

Translation: “I make the laws, I am above the law, off with his head!”

Notice that someone off camera had to remind the AG of the rules of the Congressional hearing…

If Darrell Issa’s conduct as a Congressman was so shameful, the voters of his district didn’t seem to notice, re-electing him for his seventh term by a 58-42% margin…

Steve Z on May 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Can it possibly get any better than this This from a man who wanted to prosecute the CIA shortly after taking the office of the DOJ, who refused to prosecute the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, who danced around the questions on ‘Fast & Furious’ and Rep. Issa was going to charge him as hostile witness. This inept moron thinks he knows best & like his boss, it’s OK to be above the law because it’s for our own good.

RdLake on May 16, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Holder, I believe you to be a murderer. You are the biggest slime ball to ever occupy that office. Please put on an orange jumpsuit and break rocks for the rest of your miserable life.

trl on May 16, 2013 at 9:26 PM

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