DoJ lawsuit against S&P even sillier than first thought
posted at 8:41 am on February 8, 2013 by Ed Morrissey
I wrote Tuesday about the hypocrisy and perhaps vindictiveness of the Department of Justice’s lawsuit against ratings agency Standard & Poor’s for rating toxic mortgage-backed securities and their derivatives highly before the housing bubble popped. Apparently I wasn’t tough enough on … the DoJ. Bloomberg’s Jonathan Weil explains why the lawsuit isn’t just ill-considered, but downright silly:
Oh, the poor suckers at Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp., fooled about the stench of their own garbage by those sneaky credit raters at Standard & Poor’s.
The U.S. Justice Department made some peculiar allegations in its lawsuit this week against S&P and its parent, McGraw-Hill Cos. According to the government, Citigroup was defrauded by S&P credit ratings on subprime mortgage bonds that Citigroup itself created and sold. Bank of America, too, allegedly was defrauded by S&P in the same way. …
Under the government’s theory, Citigroup and Bank of America paid S&P for ratings that convinced the banks their own CDO offal was rock-solid. And because S&P deceived them into thinking the best of their own rubbish, these banks and other lenders suffered more than $5 billion of investment losses, according to the suit.
No, that’s not a joke. Weil boils the lawsuit’s raison d’être down to this:
For nine of the CDOs, the government’s complaint listed Citigroup as the harmed investor — without mentioning that Citigroup’s investment-banking division had managed the bonds’ offerings. The complaint identified Bank of America as the defrauded CDO investor in two instances, also without mentioning that its securities unit underwrote those bonds.
It’s a novel concept. If only S&P had given honest opinions to Citigroup and Bank of America — which were paying S&P millions of dollars for ratings — then the banks would have realized they were buying ticking time bombs from themselves. And who knows? Maybe they could have found some other hapless chumps to immolate instead, if S&P had told them in time.
Notably, neither Citi nor BofA are suing S&P over this issue, nor are they talking on the record. They aren’t the only victims claimed by the DoJ — M&T Bank is also listed, and they didn’t produce any of the products in which they invested. The fact that none of these entities are pursuing damages from their own bad bets on mortgage-backed securities and their derivatives probably should give a clue as to the validity of the claims being made by the DoJ.
So far, though, it’s just the Obama administration pursuing the rather laughable claim that S&P’s ratings would have made any difference to Citi and BofA on their own products. Combine that up with the fact that this is the only ratings agency that the DoJ has pursued after the financial collapse in 2008, and it’s the most significant one that downgraded US credit while Obama has been President, and the actual raison d’être seems pretty clear.
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Maybe he’ll pull a Jim McGreevey with the Mooch by his side. The press will swoon that he’s so brave, forgive everything else and declare him gay preezy for life.
BeachBum on May 13, 2013 at 7:40 PM
Boy this is fun to watch..everyday something new comes out..some new scandal..How much more is it gonna take to start impeachment hearings?
sadsushi on May 13, 2013 at 7:44 PM
lol!
INC on May 13, 2013 at 7:44 PM
So did the Associated Press! They’ve been among Dear Leader’s leading cheering sections, which makes this even scarier…
Del Dolemonte on May 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM
Need a supermajority in the (Democrat-held) Senate to do that, and Reid will never let it happen.
Del Dolemonte on May 13, 2013 at 7:50 PM
LOL …
Dennis Miller:
Jay Carney is shakier than a jackhammer operator playing Jenga on his lunch break.
LOL.
pambi on May 13, 2013 at 7:51 PM
What’s the big deal?
I don’t see how the government getting the information from the AP is any different than if my employer reviews my work email account.
malclave on May 13, 2013 at 7:53 PM
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HAH ! ….. just wait till the anti-Christ gets on the scene, and has all of that ‘Ray Kurzweil’ technology to play with.
listens2glenn on May 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM
Stealing this from Karl D. who posts the Market Ticker
“Are you tired of this crap yet? Why do you sit for it? Why do you consent? Why do you not only tolerate this from Democrats and Republicans but at the same time put up with the same crap from so-called “Libertarians”?
Where is your tolerance point. Is it before or after you’re sent in to take a “shower” with gas instead of water?”
riverrat10k on May 13, 2013 at 7:55 PM
I realize that. And you realize that. But do the PTB at CBS, NBC, and ABC realize that?
Five years ago I would say yes. Not any more.
farsighted on May 13, 2013 at 7:57 PM
With this crew a whole lot more unless they get caught making fun of gays.
arnold ziffel on May 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM
Your employer has a right. AP does not work for the government, the government works for us. How about you sneaking peeks at your employers emails and getting caught. Think you might get fired?
VegasRick on May 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM
When the government bugs you none of those techniques will detect it.
slickwillie2001 on May 13, 2013 at 8:09 PM
When did that change?
(sorry, I probably should have put a /sarc tag in my previous comment… and maybe this one)
malclave on May 13, 2013 at 8:17 PM
Now is a good time for Carney and other WH flunkies to resign to spend more time with their families.
Philly on May 13, 2013 at 8:21 PM
Impeachment is done in the House. It’s legally the same as an indictment. The Senate is responsible for conviction or acquittal.
Reid would never allow conviction, but impeachment could certainly happen.
Bat Chain Puller on May 13, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Having lived thru the Clinton one, I will always define it as both of the two proceedings combined. Not legally accurate, but I went to law school at Moe Howard U.
And even though Clinton defenders can claim from here till the end of time that he was never convicted by the Senate, he will always hold the dubious distinction of being the first elected President to be impeached by the House.
Del Dolemonte on May 13, 2013 at 8:56 PM
This really puts the State Run Media on trial…the pressure grows. What will they do..?
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM
It seems I have misjudged you. You really are that stupid.
S. D. on May 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM
They lie with those dogs, they got bitten.
SouthernGent on May 13, 2013 at 10:22 PM
It’s been done before by the Bush administration.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2006/05/federal_source_/
Nice to see the Obama apologists try to spin this though.
Benaiah on May 13, 2013 at 10:24 PM
Either we are a Nation of Laws or we are not…
Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2013 at 10:37 PM
This is what you get when you try to throw the CIA under the bus…
… Suck on it Obowma!
Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Not.
malclave on May 13, 2013 at 10:49 PM
It is possible that the House does not act on this due to the fact it is just a Two Party Evil Money Cult con going on in Washington D.C..
We are just the marks.
For every problem there is a solution.
Some of the solutions are not all that pleasing to U.S. all.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 13, 2013 at 10:58 PM
This TOTALLY Pis### me off…It’s Karma for the AP for sure, but still isn’t right.
Gosh, we try to warn these idiots, they think we are the idiots, and now their chickens have come home to roost.
shar61 on May 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM
When the Bush was in power they listened to the terrorists and the lefties screamed and the terrorists went silent and so did the valuable intell go silent. There really is a difference what you are listening for.
mixplix on May 13, 2013 at 11:13 PM
I wonder if AP would use the word “unexpectedly” in this story.
Meanwhile, no American can assume he/she has any privacy from our government anymore. All-seeing, all-knowing Big Brother is here.
The Rogue Tomato on May 13, 2013 at 11:28 PM
This activity by the DOJ sounds pretty sinister, but I still think the motivation behind Fast and Furious was pure as the wind-driven snow.
jdpaz on May 14, 2013 at 12:14 AM
Except Holder peed in the snow first.
The Rogue Tomato on May 14, 2013 at 12:43 AM
UPDATE: The Department of Alleged Justice went from a legal entity to a purely political hack factory on January the 20th back in 2009.
Leaning Forward usually ends with a self-inflicted face-plant, you progressive polluters of the body politic.
hillbillyjim on May 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM
As I and another poster said, the AP are/were among his devout followers and cheerleaders.
dogsoldier on May 14, 2013 at 5:38 AM
We haven’t been a nation of laws since 2009.
dogsoldier on May 14, 2013 at 5:42 AM
Drudge is putting out the idea that the Regime let this story out to frighten leakers and whistleblowers.
dogsoldier on May 14, 2013 at 5:57 AM
Jack boots on our throats, stage two?
Don L on May 14, 2013 at 7:01 AM
Sounds like pure Chicago back-alley stuff, but it is hardly the way to win the house next year. Maybe they don’t really care about the house–they have the corrupt souls of half of America and billions of rounds of ammo….
Don L on May 14, 2013 at 7:03 AM
Join with others and pray for the removal of this President from the Oval Office.
Isn’t the AP just the Media Strategy Department for the Obama Campaign (I mean Administration)?
PappyD61 on May 14, 2013 at 7:39 AM
WRKO reported this morning that this story is about to break wide open. Apparently the AP wasn’t alone. Among the other news outlets mentioned in this morning’s report are the WSJ and the NY Times…
dogsoldier on May 14, 2013 at 8:08 AM
Well, the Media made him and they can break him if they get angry enough. I’m not exactly holding my breath in anticipation, but he may have poked a hornet’s nest with this latest trick.
totherightofthem on May 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM
Beck: Seizing AP’s phone records is Obama’s warning to whistle blowers that they better hold their tongues if they know what’s good for them.
petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM
That’s what Beck is saying too.
Rings true to me.
petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM
The Libs: But it was only one agency, and only for two months!”
Ward Cleaver on May 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM
petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM
Whoa, if that turns out to be true…
Sounds like the title for a new self-help book:
“Fascists Who Hate Journalists, And The Journalists Who Love Them”
Ward Cleaver on May 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM
May be difficult to impeach Obama this year, but Holder is ripe for the picking. Go for it, he needs to go.
Amazingoly on May 14, 2013 at 10:59 AM
I know that you’re listening, so:
Dear Ms. Napolitano:
I am a big fan of yours and don’t at all agree with all the characterizations of you as an incompetent, softball-playing, socialist hack. Anyways, the reason that I’m writing this is that I’m having a really hard time finding ammo and was wondering if you could spare some from your huge DHS stash. I would certainly be happy to pay fair market value for the ammo and am not looking for a government handout- not that there’s anything wrong with that(!!!). So if you could deliver about a thousand rounds of .45 cal hollow points via UPS (rather than through a muzzle- haha!), I would be most appreciative. I’m sure that you or one of your goons…er…subordinates can hack into my e-mail so that we can discuss the particulars. Thanks in advance.
You friend,
justy
P.S. I think that purchases on the internet are still tax-free for the moment, so if you can hustle things along, that would be much appreciated. Oh, and let me add that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with playing soft ball. I used to enjoy it myself back in the day.
justltl on May 14, 2013 at 12:33 PM
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